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Report: Flyers wouldn’t rule out trading Brayden Schenn

Nov 19, 2013, 8:10 PM EST

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Now that head coach Craig Berube seems to be settling in, one cannot help but imagine GM Paul Holmgren and the rest of the Philadelphia Flyers getting itchy to make another move. TSN’s Darren Dreger reports that such a hypothetical deal could very well include Brayden Schenn. (Video here.)

To clarify, Dreger didn’t say that the Flyers are shopping him heavily or are desperate to move him by any means. Still, if it means landing the blockbuster-type swap that Philly is addicted to, it sounds like they’d be open-minded.

Berube told CSNPhilly.com last week that the fairly hyped first-rounder might be turning a corner, and the numbers bare that out; he has a solid 12 points in 19 games and is throwing his body around like a Flyers forward is expected to (49 hits already).

Still, the 22-year-old will be a restricted free agent this summer, so that potential breakthrough might present the kind of price tag that the Flyers aren’t too comfortable with. Or, if they’re merely not convinced that he’s a difference-maker, they might want to sell him when his value is high. (The latter scenario seems hard to imagine for such a young player, mind you.)

As Dreger notes, Brayden is the Schenn brother who’s having the most success, as Luke Schenn finds himself as a regular healthy scratch and uncomfortable reminder of the James van Riemsdyk trade. That being said, Brayden would certainly bring significantly higher value back in a hypothetical trade, so it makes sense that his name is floating out there.

Really, with the Flyers, it seems like most trade scenarios are at least remotely feasible, right?

  1. canucks30 - Nov 19, 2013 at 8:26 PM

    I think it’s safe to call LUKE Schenn a bust.

    Adam Foote he is not.

    • sndflyers - Nov 19, 2013 at 8:57 PM

      Not.

      • c9castine - Nov 21, 2013 at 9:13 PM

        id give luke schenn some time to round into what he will be. he was probably put into the NHL too soon in Toronto and guys like him take some years to be effective at their game, typically. remember kid is only 24. as a pens rani don’t want him to succeed but i still believe he will, hopefully not in philly. brayden is a 60 point ceiling player who can probably develop into a strong post season scorer given his style, but that’ll take winning and postseason berth to accomplish.

    • flyerspsu - Nov 20, 2013 at 12:36 AM

      as a flyers fan i concur, hes not bad but hes not good, far from the guys like Adam Foote he was compared to at a young age

      terrible trade for JVR, i had no problem trading JVR and would probably do it again, but for Luke Schenn??? The Flyers could have used JVR as a center piece to get a stud proven player

      • moarjam - Nov 20, 2013 at 9:32 AM

        why would you do it again? He would be the best forward on the flyers today.

      • flyerspsu - Nov 20, 2013 at 3:47 PM

        JVR is better than Giroux? HA!

        thanks for the chuckle, im saying i would have traded him as a center piece in a trade for a stud player, im still not a fan of the guy, hes soft as hell, incredibly inconsistent and hes another winger signed long term, i would trade him again, just for a lot more

        but id much prefer him over hartnell

      • c9castine - Nov 21, 2013 at 9:16 PM

        JVR is a better player than giroux. I’m sorry, but giroux is soft on the puck, has a hard time leading anybody let alone himself, and can’t keep his emotions in check sometimes. he’s a great complementary player if you get him a line mate LIKE a mike richards or a patrice bergeron. hartnell is not threatening to anybody’s defense.

      • flyerspsu - Nov 21, 2013 at 11:10 PM

        Giroux is miles better than JVR, its not even close, i really question your hockey knowledge if you honestly believe JVR is better than Giroux

  2. mclovinhockey - Nov 19, 2013 at 8:27 PM

    Yeah, and if the oil offered Eberle, hall, RNH, yakapov, ferrence and 4 first and 2nd rounders I am sure the pens would consider moving Crosby haha.

    Philly has enough depth that they can afford to move a guy or 2 for a big D

    • hockey412 - Nov 20, 2013 at 8:06 AM

      They’re 28th in the league in Goals/Game and he’s their leading scorer…what “depth” do they have? Also, Schenn isn’t really a ‘depth’ player – the kid has a lot of potential still.

      • ibieiniid - Nov 20, 2013 at 8:18 AM

        it’s not saying a WHOLE lot, but 20 games in, this is kinda surprising for a team that’s struggling so hard to find goals: i think 10 or 11 of our 12 forwards playing last night have a goal this season. that’s gotta count for SOMETHING, right?

      • mclovinhockey - Nov 24, 2013 at 3:04 PM

        The Flyers on Center have G, Vinny, Schenn, Coots, (this year) Hall, (next year) Laughton. They also have Mcginn and Raffl waiting to be brought up, they had a bad start but recently have been one of the best teams in the league. However, in the future, it is clear that they are going to need to move on of the centers (to wing or in a trade) since none of those guys (minus hall) is 4th line material.

  3. President Charles Logan - Nov 19, 2013 at 8:41 PM

    I’ve been one of B Schenn’s biggest critics so far ……. but he’s been playing really well lately, maybe now is the time to move him when his value is higher then it would be down the road.

    • flyerspsu - Nov 20, 2013 at 12:43 AM

      hes 22 and this is his 1st full season, hes 2nd on the team in goals and was one of the only players creating offense in the beginning of the year, the guy will probably be about a 30 goal guy down the road which will obviously still have high value, his grit and character raise his value as well

      this isnt one of those sell while his value is high, hes 22 and still hasnt even come close to hitting his potential, unless he somehow never becomes more than a 15-20 goal guy then sure this will be his highest value but thats doubtful

      • c9castine - Nov 21, 2013 at 9:19 PM

        i agree with the flyers fans that are thinking like this. why would you sell on a 22 year old who seems to keep getting better???

        thats the BS that has gotten the Flyers in trouble, selling on guys like JVR and Bobrovsky and Richards and Carter. Especially the first two, too young with too high of a ceiling to let go just yet.

        like i said i think Schenn can be a 60 point guy who is valuable in a lot of situations.

      • flyerspsu - Nov 21, 2013 at 11:17 PM

        if schenn doesnt become a 60 pt guy he will be a disappointment for his hype, i definitely see him being about a 30 goal guy and probably like 35 assists

        bobrovsky is overrated, its amazing how one great shortened season makes you elite, look how hes doing now, bobrovksy was great his rookie year for the flyers, he had crazy numbers at the half way point just like last year but fell off and finished with a modest .916 sv % but after being .930 for half the year its not too impressive, the guy has clear flaws in his game and when the eastern conference got used to him he got lit up for the next 2 seasons, his last season with the flyers he finished with a GAA above 3.00 and sv % below .900

        as for JVR, you are overrating him, the flyers gave him up way too early and got way too little in return, but the fact that you think he is better than Giroux clearly showcases how much you are overrating him, lol seriously its not even close between the 2 players

  4. phillyphanatic77 - Nov 19, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    Id be so pissed if they moved BSchenn… Charles Logan can attest that I’ve always been a Schenn supporter, and this season he might have been the Flyers best forward. The Schenn-Lecavalier-Simmonds line has been dynamic and are finally used to eachother, so unless we’re getting a stud defender/established star forward/or several 1sts I wouldn’t even consider it. Keep Schenn! Even his brother is starting to look like he did last season.

  5. General37 - Nov 19, 2013 at 8:57 PM

    I hope they don’t do this, but history says otherwise, they always trade away young talent ,I.e., sharp,Williams,seidenberg,lupal, Sbezia,umberger,the list goes on and on,and go for someone on the downside of their career

    • namriverrat69 - Nov 21, 2013 at 3:19 AM

      That sounds like my Kings who for years did that, trading away talent and draft picks for proven players on the downside of their careers with diminshing skills. In 2007 we season ticket holders got a letter from Luc Robitaille explaining what management was doing in developing talent from within the Kings farm system with the goal of being a contender in 5 years. Our patience was asked for during this process time period. What were we going to do anyway. The plan payed off and we have a great team with the mainstay coming from draft picks and developing players.

      Oh yeah, we traded for a couple of guys who just happened to be available due to your GMs lack of faith in them even though you loved them and still do. Seriously, thank you Philly. We love them too.

      I could never understand taking a team like your team that went to the finals and immediatley destroy it because they didn’t win. It is so hard to get the right players and build chemistry. It takes years of playing together. I would hate to see you trade Braden Schenn. I liked him in our system and looked forward to seeing him play on the big team. I hope you have patience to nurture him along. You won’t be sorry.

      • c9castine - Nov 21, 2013 at 9:26 PM

        yeah i often think of what the Pens would have done in 2009 if they imploded their team after they got to the finals and lost in 2008. what if we traded crosby and malkin (i know they are better but from team to team its comparable) for schenn, simmonds, and voracek.

      • ryanrockzzz - Nov 22, 2013 at 2:46 PM

        That’s really easy to say in hindsight. The trade looked good at the time, and who knows if Philly would have won with those players. It’s impossible to know. If the Flyers win a cup next year with Schenn and Simmonds on the team, then I guess it would all even out?

  6. steelers88 - Nov 19, 2013 at 9:53 PM

    Brayden Schenn ironically would be a pretty good fit with the Penguins. The Penguins in my opinion need a young forward and Schenn would fit the bill you put him on Crosby or Malkin’s line and he might take off.

    • broadstreetbeatdown - Nov 19, 2013 at 10:14 PM

      You put him on Malikn’s line, Malkin might take off. His season has been abysmal so far. Keep dreaming though, that trade ain’t never going to happen.

      • c9castine - Nov 21, 2013 at 9:28 PM

        abysmal? 22 points in 22 games is abysmal?

        since when.

      • broadstreetbeatdown - Nov 21, 2013 at 9:48 PM

        3 goals in 22 games is abysmal for a Calder, Con Smythe, Ted Lyndsay, Hart Mermorial and two time Art Ross winner. I don’t like his team but I expect more out of a player of this caliber. He might be putting up some assists but lately he’s more of a turnover machine.

  7. flyersfan85 - Nov 19, 2013 at 9:57 PM

    This is a great idea.

    Lets just make this trade better. G, vinny, jake v, simmer, couts, ummm..whoelse..2 first rounders and Read.

    To Calgary..for…who is old and overpaid..oh..Camerelli….thats a flyeresque trade..

    They may need mason too..so throw him in for…2 7ths..

    Why the hell would we trade him? He has value..yeah..to us..to our team..

    Get rid of hartnell before schenn..

    • WillIEverSeeACupInMyLife? - Nov 19, 2013 at 10:38 PM

      I gave you thumbs down just for stupid nicknames

      • flyersfan85 - Nov 20, 2013 at 12:30 AM

        Ahh..thats good.. glad you cleared that up…because I cared..

        But I thumbs up yours..because you added so much to the conversation..

      • ibieiniid - Nov 20, 2013 at 8:19 AM

        lol Camerelli

  8. broadstreetbeatdown - Nov 19, 2013 at 10:02 PM

    Homer could have gotten Weber for Schenn and Couturier.

    • President Charles Logan - Nov 19, 2013 at 10:48 PM

      honest question when you look back on that now , do you wish he would have made that trade?

      • mcphillthy - Nov 19, 2013 at 10:57 PM

        I don’t think I would part ways with coots. But it’s weber….
        Damnit. I don’t know how I would feel about that.
        I honestly think Philly fans would complain either way with that trade.
        I would say make the trade. It’s shae weber

      • broadstreetbeatdown - Nov 19, 2013 at 10:59 PM

        I said we should have made that trade back then and still wish we made that move. Personally I think Homer was hedging his bets that the Preds couldn’t afford to keep him and they would take the first round picks.

      • mcphillthy - Nov 19, 2013 at 11:29 PM

        I agree. Homer tried to take advantage of them being a small market and make that deal before the lock out. It was a shrewd dick of a move but that’s exactly what he did. Coots was the only reason I wasn’t all for that trade. Schenn is replaceable because laughton is ready to go but I would hate losing coots.

    • flyerspsu - Nov 20, 2013 at 7:34 PM

      nah the team is still far away from contending for a cup, giving up your 2 best “prospects” for Weber wouldnt be smart, however the possible couturier for subban before last season would have been great, but couturier was unbelievable his rookie season and i was against that then

      homer is finally keeping the young guys and letting them develop, cant blame him for that

      • broadstreetbeatdown - Nov 20, 2013 at 9:05 PM

        You would trade Couturier for Subban but not for Weber? That has to be PHT first. While the Flyers defense has been light years ahead of what it was the past couple of years, they are still missing an elite Dman to anchor the blue line we lost when Pronger was injured. A guys like Weber, Suter Chara, and Doughty are that type of player. Subban and Letang are great offensive talents but their defensive game suffers for it.

  9. mcphillthy - Nov 19, 2013 at 10:04 PM

    This rumor is so ridiculous. Unless the return is an absolute solid top dman I say no way. They paid a kings ransom (no pun intended) for Schenn and he is still getting better

    But then again it’s Holmgren

  10. ibieiniid - Nov 19, 2013 at 10:14 PM

    I’m with mcphillthy, no way in hell does this happen.

    also, you clever fu**…. I think that pun WAS intended.

    • mcphillthy - Nov 19, 2013 at 10:39 PM

      It was an opportunity I couldn’t pass up. Clever fu** indeed!

  11. ibieiniid - Nov 19, 2013 at 10:15 PM

    and yaaaaa. Berube said that a week ago. this team has a very different look than they did a week ago.

    • mcphillthy - Nov 19, 2013 at 10:45 PM

      Ya gotta like where this team is headed. Vinny may have been the best move homer has made in years.
      Our penalty kill took a step back, which I expected when we traded away Talbot. He was a PK guru. But I’ll take a lesser PK if we are finding ways to win games.
      And how about mason?! Pretty impressive so far!!

      • ibieiniid - Nov 20, 2013 at 8:21 AM

        Mason actually looked a little shaky to start that game last night. shut my mouth tho when he made that cross-crease crotch save.

      • ibieiniid - Nov 20, 2013 at 8:22 AM

        but ya, he’s been playing some unreal hockey. has the potential to rip down everything that’s said about Flyers goaltending and losing Bobrovsky.

      • mcphillthy - Nov 20, 2013 at 9:29 AM

        He was only caught out of position a couple times throughout The game and Ottawa capitalized when he was. For what everyone deemed our ‘subpar at best’ defense I’d say mason has been outstanding!
        I won’t lie I was pissed when we traded bobs to keep that A-hole bryz. I had a lot of doubts about mason but he has made me shut my mouth. Once the offense wakes up things could be really fun in Philly

  12. muckleflugga - Nov 19, 2013 at 11:46 PM

    the all-knowing tsn, cbc and don cherry had this guy walking on water coming out of junior…when have they ever been wrong…?

    still, trading schenn would be a big surprise…all talk to light a fire under his backside one would suspect

    he’s awfully young to be writing off…simply needs some compatible line mates by all accounts

  13. flyerspsu - Nov 20, 2013 at 12:46 AM

    trade luke schenn, you’ll get a lot less back but hes 1/3 the player his younger brother is

  14. flyerspsu - Nov 20, 2013 at 12:53 AM

    if the flyers are gonna trade a young forward with high value it should be Simmonds, im a big fan of him and his character but hes simply not a good all around hockey player, he cant skate, play defense, move the puck, is turnover prone … he literally epitomizes where Holmgren went wrong with building this team, he can put up 25 goals and 30 in a good year, but he is mediocre at every other facet other than character which can only go so far

    b schenn has more value rightfully so, but simmonds value is on the market is a lot higher than he deserves, simmonds and luke schenn would be an ideal trade package to get a better player

    • matthewmacisaac - Nov 20, 2013 at 4:54 AM

      The Flyers need Simmonds. He wins puck battles along the boards and plays tough in front of the net. There aren’t many other guys that fit that description on the roster. Simmonds is a great team player, his only weakness is that he doesn’t kill penalties, and I think they have that covered.

      • flyerspsu - Nov 20, 2013 at 4:01 PM

        “simmond’s only weakness is he doesnt kill penalties” …are you serious?????

        i am a fan of simmonds but, he cant skate well, move the puck well, play defense and is turnover prone, he has plenty of flaws in his game

        simmonds has heart, i love the guy for that, but being a possible 25 goal guy with character and heart can only do so much when you cant play defense, move the puck and are turnover prone

        do you notice a trend among the teams that have consistently gone far in the playoffs the last few years? Boston, L.A., Chicago, Detroit … all are predominantly made up of responsible skilled 2 way players

        the flyers have too many players that are “character” players that dont have a ton of skill (hartnell, simmonds) and too many of their skilled guys that arent good defensively (pretty much everyone aside from read and couturier)

    • ibieiniid - Nov 20, 2013 at 8:28 AM

      how many goals does Simmonds have to score like he did last night before you notice that they aren’t flukes? this guy gets to the front of the net, and if the puck is there, regardless of which direction he’s facing, he finds a way to put it on/in net. that’s valuable for the Flyers, who score most of their goals on plays where they’re set up in the zone. he does what initially got Hartnell put on that top line better than Hartnell does.

      lol it’s funny though. 2 weeks ago, all us Flyers fans WANTED was some heart, now we’re trying to trade it away. tisk, sir.

    • broadstreetbeatdown - Nov 20, 2013 at 9:25 PM

      This comment is flat out silly. No one on this team battles harder for the pucks and works the dirty area like Simmonds. Heck at times he’s a one man forechecking line. He also fights and wins battles in front of the net better than anyone on the team. There are superstars that have more issues with turnovers than Simmonds does (Malkin comes to mind). As far as your comment on him being mediocre in every facet of their game besides character, lets just say mediocre players don’t normally put up close to 30 goals in a season.

  15. mcphillthy - Nov 20, 2013 at 9:43 AM

    How about the flyers don’t trade anybody?! How about we let them continue to develop chemistry and let them keep winning?! How about we try that approach for once and see what happens?! Crazy idea, huh?!

  16. jhisler - Nov 20, 2013 at 9:49 AM

    And this is why the flyers never win. Have young talent? Trade it away for a 35 year old guy whos overachieving on the down end of his career with a massive contract. Great players dont go up for trade. Flyers have no patience to wait and see if someone can develop.

    • ibieiniid - Nov 20, 2013 at 1:07 PM

      I’m sorry, I must have missed the part where Schenn trade rumors had any merit whatsoever. There’s nothing – even in the linked article – that says the Flyers are even considering moving him. In fact, it’s only that Berube thinks he’s making the next step, a positive for his FUTURE. I don’t get where O’Brien gets off writing a piece like this, then linking a piece that doesn’t even mention the word trade. You should have been alerted by this line: “one cannot help but imagine GM Paul Holmgren and the rest of the Philadelphia Flyers getting itchy to make another move.” Yep, you read it right. This comes from O’Brien’s imagination.

      Quit judging the Flyers before they do things.

  17. lpd1964 - Nov 20, 2013 at 10:05 AM

    Coots ? I just threw up in my mouth after hearing that lame nickname, the flyers are two points out of a playoff spot, why a trade?

    • mcphillthy - Nov 20, 2013 at 11:40 AM

      Coots. Coots. Coots.

      PS. Coots

      • rontrabaroe - Nov 21, 2013 at 2:31 PM

        Thought his nickname was cooter

      • mcphillthy - Nov 21, 2013 at 10:22 PM

        Oh no no no…. Cooter is something very different…

    • flyerspsu - Nov 20, 2013 at 7:40 PM

      the flyers arent looking for a trade and definitely arent looking to trade schenn, im sure it was an off – hand comment like hes not untouchable and if the deal is right sure we’d be willing to trade him

  18. kastout11 - Nov 20, 2013 at 10:15 AM

    Homer has made some pretty head-scratching decisions, but I cannot forsee him trading Schenn. Even though only 20 games into the season, he has been, by far, their best and most consistent forward. They are starting to develop some chemistry and now is not the time for a trade.

  19. zta7991 - Nov 20, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    Unfortunately I can see it happening. Especially since now there are rumors around Columbus shopping Gaborik because they don’t intend to re-sign him next year…seems like a Holmgren move…trade away a young player with tremendous upside for a player who yes has been proven but also is 31, a little injury prone, and would demand around 7 mil for his contract next year

    • ibieiniid - Nov 20, 2013 at 1:16 PM

      here’s the thing…. I think this entire story is bullsh**. It’s completely fabricated. click the link in the article and try to find something about a desire to trade Schenn. it’s not there and was seemingly completely made up by Dreger and/or O’Brien.

      • ibieiniid - Nov 20, 2013 at 1:18 PM

        actually, I think it was Dreger quoting an unnamed source, and O’Brien just decided it had enough merit to make it a top story.

        idk why i keep coming to this site at night. the day writers are like 1000x better.

  20. justahockeyguy2 - Nov 20, 2013 at 5:56 PM

    I wouldn’t fall asleep on the Flyers defensive corps yet, although I think Andrej Meszaros needs to go with his outrageous cap hit. The new style seems to fit the defensive players well and if things continue the way they have been going, the Flyers will be a dangerous team on the back end. CALLING MARK STREIT, CALLING MARK STREIT… wherever he has gone, bring him back, or trade him lol

    • flyerspsu - Nov 20, 2013 at 7:45 PM

      the flyers havnt let up an even strength goal for 4 straight games now … thats incredible, the new system really does seem to be working well with the bigger, stiffer guys

      as for Mark Streit, i have no clue … what a horrid contract to give the guy, 4 bloody years at over 5 mil, i at least thought we’d get 2 good years out of him, it looks like we might not get any, fortunately the cap should go up consistently over the next few years so the contract wont hurt much, but his play probably will, seriously the guy cant hit the fricken net and has single-handidly caused several break aways and odd man rushes from his carelessness

  21. mcphillthy - Nov 21, 2013 at 1:48 AM

    This article still pisses me off. No way, man. This is so far fetched that it sounds like something eklund would make up..
    You mean to tell me that we would trade away our most productive player and the guy who has the most assists to our leading goal scorer?! That line with Simmonds/vinny/schenn already has chemistry and its getting stronger each game. Our top two lines are deadly to match up against lately.
    No. No way. Nope.
    Schenn is a flyer and not going anywhere

  22. zta7991 - Nov 21, 2013 at 8:44 AM

    Correct me if my memory is off on this since it was a few years ago…but when the flyers where pursuing weber couldn’t they have gotten him for schenn, couterier and read? granted I still wouldn’t like that move. also if there was a couterier/subban trade…how would subban be accepted in Philly so speaking that he has been booed constantly since that hit he gave to Richards? also I hope the flyers don’t trade schenn but at the same time this is a contract year for him…my worry is we won’t have the cap space to retain him this off-season so I would rather get something for him rather than let him walk to free agency because him and mason are the big people that need to get extended this year and the way they both have been playing they are both due for a pretty big contract

  23. zta7991 - Nov 21, 2013 at 8:50 AM

    and also a general question. ..do you see Sam Morin being the elite defenceman like a Chris Pronger or a Shea Weber type…because if so I say we hold out on rushing to spend money on a elite defenceman and focus on developing the 6’6 17 year old we just drafted and not necessarily build around him but pick players that will compliment his style so when he does come up its an easier transition

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