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Holmgren: Flyers are tough to watch

Nov 2, 2013, 9:44 AM EDT

PHILADELPHIA, PA - NOVEMBER 01: Claude Giroux #28 of the Philadelphia Flyers instructs teammates Jakub Voracek #93 and Scott Hartnell #19 during a stoppage in play against the Washington Capitals on November 1, 2013 at the Wells Fargo Center in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The Capitals went on to defeat the Flyers 7-0. (Photo by Len Redkoles/NHLI via Getty Images) Getty Images

Philadelphia Flyers GM Paul Holmgren hopes the team has hit rock bottom. It seems hard to think that they could sink any lower after last night’s 7-0 loss to the Washington Capitals.

The game broke down into a massive brawl in the third period that involved Flyers goaltender Ray Emery skating the length of the ice to force netminder Braden Holtby to fight him.

If the game itself wasn’t bad enough, the Flyers also lost newly acquired forward Steve Downie (concussion) and Vincent Lecavalier (facial injuries).

“It’s tough to watch,” Holmgren told CSN Philly. “I’m sure the players are very embarrassed like we all are. We’ve got to do better than that.”

Captain Claude Giroux was didn’t dispute Holmgren’s claim that their performance was embarrassing.

The only silver lining is that the Flyers will play against the New Jersey Devils tonight, so at least they won’t have to wait long for a chance to redeem themselves.

  1. blackandorangeforlife - Nov 2, 2013 at 9:48 AM

    So Homer……How are you liking Downie so far?….Idiot!….Sad part is Hexy probably had a say in the trade……Us Flyers fans are Phucked!

    • twpguy1964 - Nov 2, 2013 at 11:28 AM

      Flyers are tough to watch but your stupidity condemning a trade after 1 DAY shows your lack of any knowledge whatsoever!

      • whammy71 - Nov 2, 2013 at 1:16 PM

        You’re the stupid one. Flyers new coach said they needed to be more disciplined and take less penalties. They trade for a cheap shot artist and he promptly goons it up…gets an instigator and game misconduct to boot. Oh yeah, almost forgot…got concussed.

        Same owner….same GM….same mentality…..same results! Blackandorangeforlife simply gets it now. Yinz need to change the culture n’at! Now go get me some pierogis and a Primanti sammich!!!

    • wjr37375 - Nov 2, 2013 at 12:34 PM

      Sad part is you being Flyers fan

  2. theageofquarrel - Nov 2, 2013 at 9:48 AM

    HA!

  3. puckmepuckyou - Nov 2, 2013 at 9:57 AM

    That game was terrible. The crowd was chanting Fire Holmgren by the second period.

  4. icelovinbrotha215 - Nov 2, 2013 at 10:00 AM

    Unfortunately, the owner can’t be fired. That’s where the problems lies. Holmgren is just an extension of Ed’s way of doing things.

  5. 2qswing - Nov 2, 2013 at 10:01 AM

    So Emery gives up 4 goals on 15 shots, .733 save %, game misconduct, WWE style fight with the other goalie AND GETS THIRD STAR OF THE GAME.
    Only in Flyer land lads, only in Flyer land. Hey Ray next time hit him over the head with a folding chair…you’ll get first star eh?

    • The Shoeman - Nov 2, 2013 at 10:13 AM

      AND GETS THIRD STAR OF THE GAME.

      the reason is … a “shot” at the team,
      as in: Nobody deserved a star.

      maybe . . the team will notice , , they aren’t playing NHL Hockey ?

      • 950003cups - Nov 2, 2013 at 10:31 AM

        Hulk Hogan got the first star?

  6. cspsrbums - Nov 2, 2013 at 10:06 AM

    Flyers are an extension of there fans

    • veryevilash - Nov 2, 2013 at 10:10 AM

      Typical comment. Their* BTW.

      • drone501 - Nov 2, 2013 at 12:27 PM

        as a pens fan all i got to say is what the hell is going on with this hockey team. maybe the owner needs to quit making ex flyers the general managers and coaches. might have to start over and bring in some fresh outside help.

  7. steelers88 - Nov 2, 2013 at 10:11 AM

    The Flyers need to blow the team up and start rebuilding.

    • 950003cups - Nov 2, 2013 at 10:30 AM

      The building too.

      • gregman98 - Nov 2, 2013 at 10:47 AM

        As long as the building chock FULL of Failers fans.

      • stakex - Nov 2, 2013 at 11:49 AM

        Saying a building with 15,000 fans in it should be blown up might be going a weeee bit too far greg.

    • wjr37375 - Nov 2, 2013 at 12:33 PM

      The flyers just need to blow up… Period.

  8. avscanes - Nov 2, 2013 at 10:24 AM

    gosh…maybe Laviolette wasn’t the problem…… Snider needs to get out..

    • 950003cups - Nov 2, 2013 at 10:29 AM

      Snider is getting karma. He’s been ripping us off for years. Now it’s time 23 men rip him off in our honor!

      NOTE TO PHILLY: worst case, at least you have a first round pick! If we tank, we have UGATZ!

  9. 950003cups - Nov 2, 2013 at 10:26 AM

    Flyers are still trying to replace Pronger. Ever since his concussion, they’ve had problems. I hope the Devils don’t suffer the same fate because of Kovalchuk.

  10. veryevilash - Nov 2, 2013 at 10:33 AM

    What’s tough to watch is Giroux giving the same canned interview after every game. “One game at a time’ isn’t working G. What’s also tough to watch is the scoreboard.

  11. crazemastercraze - Nov 2, 2013 at 10:36 AM

    Wonder which former retired Flyer snider will hire next to a position of power within his organization? Clearly, it’s working wonders for this team. Holmgram must say “yes sir, thank you mam” to every thing snider says. Or the devil exists and Holmgram took the platinum package deal with em. How else could anyone who is the living embodiment of epic fail continue to run a professional sports team?

    • veryevilash - Nov 2, 2013 at 10:42 AM

      Hextall is next in line. That’s why he was brought in during the off season.

  12. crazemastercraze - Nov 2, 2013 at 10:48 AM

    Again, former retired Flyer. Good job!

  13. joey4id - Nov 2, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    Ugly loss by a team that is completely adrift. they now need to be play 14 games above .500 to make the playoffs. in other words 37 wins in 70 games.

    Downie proved a couple of things in the loss. fighting can cause concussions, and it does not act as a momentum changer.

    • veryevilash - Nov 2, 2013 at 11:19 AM

      He’s still in the hospital as of this AM.

    • stakex - Nov 2, 2013 at 12:11 PM

      Who ever said fighting couldn’t cause a concussion? Obviously its possible, just like a clean body check can cause one. Its just rare.

      And you can’t change the momentum of a 7-0 blowout in the 3rd period. Perhaps if the Flyers showed some fight (figuratively, and perhaps literally) when the score was closer in the 2nd period they could have reversed the momentum a bit. The fact that they waited until the game was already over doesn’t prove anything.

      • joey4id - Nov 2, 2013 at 12:59 PM

        you said there was no proof that fighting can cause concussions. its proven that players are 19 times likelier to sustain a concussion from fighting as opposed to a body check. seriously…. all it takes for the flyers to win games is to fight.

    • chiadam - Nov 2, 2013 at 12:20 PM

      Fighting in hockey is the dumbest thing ever. First, you can’t just punch someone in the face because they’re better at hockey. Second, it’s pointless. It fighting actually did serve as some sort of deterrent, then you would not need fighting anymore. All the behavior that leads to fighting would have stopped. Third, I watch NHL hockey for the skill of the players, not to watch two goons throw haymakers and flail around on the ice.

  14. chiadam - Nov 2, 2013 at 12:16 PM

    Emery needs a suspension. A real one. You cannot skate the length of the ice and force someone to fight just because you’re on a garbage team.

    • wjr37375 - Nov 2, 2013 at 12:31 PM

      Emery is garbage

  15. broadstreetbeatdown - Nov 2, 2013 at 12:21 PM

    Great comments from the Pens fans. You guys know all about tanking multiple seasons. You’ve been doing it since your inception. Maybe Ed should threaten to relocate the team to Kansas City or Vegas.

    2 goals…. 2013

    • hazlydose - Nov 2, 2013 at 12:29 PM

      38 years… 1975

      • ilovekneegrows - Nov 2, 2013 at 12:46 PM

        14,040

      • flyersfan85 - Nov 2, 2013 at 7:00 PM

        Hard to think of something new?

        Offended..nahh! Bored with your repetitive statements..75..75.. yeah.. it works.. but on the barely trying end.. and with so much fresh product we provide this year…your trolling is more a failure for Pens ingenuity than Flyers failure. Good try..next.

    • wjr37375 - Nov 2, 2013 at 12:31 PM

      He’d be smart to relocate, the city sucks

      • buysamadrink - Nov 2, 2013 at 6:37 PM

        Move the team and name them the Washington Generals.

      • flyersfan85 - Nov 2, 2013 at 7:04 PM

        Seattle Spartans.

        Works for my EA NHL 2014 team.

        Just saying. Under my GM’in they won the Cup in 2 years. But I used logic…not outdated ideals.

  16. wjr37375 - Nov 2, 2013 at 12:29 PM

    Flyers suck and will for quite a long time. I’m enjoying watching this so keep up the bad work. 7 goals , that is awesome. Go watch the Eagles …Or the Sixers …. Or wait for the Phillies… Do they have a WNBA team? Arena football? Maybe just watch some WWE or something . Great stuff

    • 2jivecrew - Nov 2, 2013 at 12:34 PM

      Yeah it’s been an experience watching Chip Kelly “revolutionize” NFL offense. So at least Flyers fan have that to fall back on. LOL

      Philly can’t even make fun of the Pirates anymore. They’ve got nothing left.

  17. steelcity333 - Nov 2, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    I actually think it’s quite the opposite. I think the Flyers are very fun to watch. Then again, look at my screen name.

  18. nj666 - Nov 2, 2013 at 1:16 PM

    did the writer of this article really try to put the devils on the same level as the flyers? the difference is the devils can score goals and most of the losses have been by one goal.

  19. stcrowe - Nov 2, 2013 at 1:24 PM

    Even if Snider fires Holmgren, he will probably just bring back Bobby Clarke.

    “That’s our culture!”

    • flyersfan85 - Nov 2, 2013 at 6:52 PM

      Ouch and yuck.

  20. jimw81 - Nov 2, 2013 at 3:46 PM

    he finally recognize the mess he created. lavy wanted richards,carter, bob off the flyers and homer went along with it.hextall has totally differently philosophy than snider does.

    lol @ ‘culture’ agrument. every team in every sport has culture. if you look at every teams front office or on playing field in every sport or even in the broadcast booth, you’ll probably has a ex player apart of the team in some form of capacity. pens have culture, their owner use to play for them. bruins have culture inwhich cam neely is in the front office. is culture bad when the team is bad?

  21. flyersfan85 - Nov 2, 2013 at 6:51 PM

    Pens fans are probably tired of humping the Crosby pole so they are trashing the Flyers site. Nope, you guys have the right to be here, yep we suck this year, but FFS doesn’t the trolling get tiresome after a while? No. Well northern PA is kinda boring..so..have at it.

    Bring Vinny back.. give him the C..and some dentures.. get rid of the current hierarchy (thats the top people to you Pens fans) drop G to 2C and bring up..idk..McGinn and Simmonds for top line… or trade whatever isn’t core for whoever and excel through draft.

    PS. I don’t hate the Penguins (that would infer jealousy) I just hate their fans.

  22. matthewmacisaac - Nov 2, 2013 at 8:08 PM

    How does he think the fans feel? We have to pay hard earned money to watch them, he gets paid to watch them. We can only boo to voice displeasure, he can trade/waive underacheivers. He says they’re tough to watch. He doesn’t know the half of it. You know who’s REALLY tough to watch? Timmonen. He was a shell of the player he once was last year, so what do you do? Give him a $6 million dollar extension in a year when the cap is going down, leaving less room to make improvements. Now you have a defenseman that would be leading the Eagles in tackles. Yes, that’s hard to watch.

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