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Oct 31, 2013, 1:34 PM EST

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Philadelphia has made a significant roster shakeup, acquiring former Flyer and notorious pest Steve Downie from Colorado in exchange for Maxim Talbot.

Downie, 26, was Philly’s first-round pick (29th overall) at the 2005 NHL Entry Draft, and spent two seasons with the team before being dealt to Tampa Bay during the 2008-09 campaign.

He’ll return to a Flyers club looking for a spark to snap out of its 3-8-0 start to the year. Downie will certainly bring energy and some offense — he has seven points in 11 games this year — but he’s also earned a reputation as a reckless, occasionally undisciplined player, and head coach Craig Berube has stressed a need for discipline and fewer penalties this season.

As for Talbot, he heads to Colorado after three seasons with the Flyers.

Talbot, 29, has struggled recently after scoring a career-high 19 goals in his first season in Philly — he has six goals in his last 46 games, and just one this season. That said, Berube had been using Talbot as a top-six winger in recent games and based on a statement released by Avs executive VP Joe Sakic, Colorado sounds thrilled to acquire Talbot

“Maxime is a veteran forward who has won a Stanley Cup and has a lot of NHL experience,” Sakic said. “We’re looking forward to him bringing that experience to our club.”

It’s very possible Patrick Roy wanted Talbot on the recommendation of Benoit Groulx, his former QMHJL coaching adversary. Groulx coached Talbot with the Hull Olympiques in 2002-03, the same year Talbot tore it up by scoring 46 goals and 104 points in 69 games.

Earlier this year, reports out of Quebec claimed Groulx turned down an assistant coaching gig with the Avs to remain in junior.

From a contractual perspective, Downie carries a $2.65 million cap hit compared to Talbot’s $1.75 million, but Talbot has three years remaining on his deal whereas Downie’s an unrestricted free agent at year’s end.

102 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. curioustraveler13 - Oct 31, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    I absolutely love this deal! Thanks holmgren!!!

    • laxman1944 - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:29 PM

      Agreed

      Really like Max but the room needs a shake up and Steve should help with that dds some skill and a bit of a nasty edge

      • flyerspsu - Oct 31, 2013 at 8:49 PM

        i dont think you understand what curious traveler meant …

      • laxman1944 - Oct 31, 2013 at 10:25 PM

        I had a fairly good idea.

  2. freneticgarfieldfan - Oct 31, 2013 at 1:46 PM

    trading trash for crap

    • curioustraveler13 - Oct 31, 2013 at 1:48 PM

      Wait which one is the game 7 Stanley cup hero? The trash or the crap?

  3. nhloon - Oct 31, 2013 at 1:48 PM

    HOW THE F*UCK DOES steve downey go 29th OVERALL ?!?!?!

    Guy is HORRIBLE !!! Sad part is, I played Junior and were the same age. FML.

    • upper90cheese - Oct 31, 2013 at 1:55 PM

      No you didn’t.

  4. macgrubie - Oct 31, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    Really liked Talbot as a gritty, give-it-your-all player. Sad to see him go but hopefully they know what they’re doing.

  5. jpelle82 - Oct 31, 2013 at 1:54 PM

    interesting trade, didnt see talbot going anywhere for a few years. good deal for him, he has a chance to compete with a team thats heading in the right direction. as for downie….not looking forward to his dirtball ways 5 more times this year, he’s bound to hurt somebody again at some point and he’s tried to hurt penguins players before (crosby, sykora come to mind). he’s the only guy thats been suspended for 20 or more games TWICE and still in the league (somehow). plus he’s hurt all the time himself. fits in perfectly with the flyers broadstreet front office mentality, just dont know if thats something the flyers really need right now.

  6. r4n6er - Oct 31, 2013 at 1:56 PM

    Looks like I will be dropping Downie from my fantasy team now.

  7. curioustraveler13 - Oct 31, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    Steve Downie has played in 285 games has 195 points and 696 penalty minutes along with 2 long suspensions. He is the perfect for for the flyers!

  8. newjerseydevilsfanpuckcollection - Oct 31, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    Very confused by the reasoning for a trade such as this.

    Downie having a great year with a great team, Talbot having a bad year with a bad team.

    Wonder if the pattern will continue. Talbot will now have a good year, Downie not so much.

  9. joey4id - Oct 31, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    Surprised that Avs let go a younger player for an older one. I suppose they this trade to add more playoff experience to their roster. Downie has got to be disappointed….

    • curioustraveler13 - Oct 31, 2013 at 2:15 PM

      Hes pretty down right now.

      • joey4id - Oct 31, 2013 at 2:18 PM

        Has he said anything publicly yet?

      • curioustraveler13 - Oct 31, 2013 at 2:20 PM

        No that was just an attempt of humor on my part using a bad pun.

      • laxman1944 - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:40 PM

        Not bad Curious……..not bad at all

  10. zacmelvinmcnutt - Oct 31, 2013 at 2:16 PM

    I’m interested to see where Talbot is gonna fit in on the Av’s roster. I say move Parenteau back to Duchene’s wing and have Talbot on MacKinnon’s line.

    • flyerspsu - Oct 31, 2013 at 9:03 PM

      talbot cant score and doesnt offer much at all offensively, i dont know if you want someone like that on mackinnons line

  11. somekat - Oct 31, 2013 at 2:27 PM

    Last line is why the Flyers did it. Talbot has 3 years left, and Downie is a UFA after this year

    • macgrubie - Oct 31, 2013 at 2:50 PM

      I hope that’s the logic. Because player for player just doesn’t make sense.

    • flyerspsu - Oct 31, 2013 at 9:05 PM

      downie also is much better offensively which they clearly need and is very gritty and adds a spark which usually when the flyers play their best, ask the penguins, the penguins finally realized that half way thru last year and refuse to get in any scrums or really anything with the flyers anymore, as a result they have been pretty boring games with the penguins winning most if not all

  12. bobhpine - Oct 31, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    Are philthy fans going to even try to defend this? I mean it’s bad enough you drafted this stooge Downie in the first round, but now you remind everybody of that idiocy by trading for him again? For Max Talbot no less?

    Good lord, what a dumpster fire this team is. Happy for Talbot though. He must feel like he just broke out of Shawshank.

    • macgrubie - Oct 31, 2013 at 2:52 PM

      ahh, robert pine, the certified NAMBLA member of the PHT community.

    • laxman1944 - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:46 PM

      Ah Piney….king of douchebaggery…….you know you can’t be taught douchebaggery……some pepople like Piney just “Have it”

      Kudos to you…….douchebag

    • m1k3g - Oct 31, 2013 at 4:57 PM

      I can’t speak to pine’s level of douchebaggery or his NAMBLA membership status, but he’s right about the current state of the Flyers.

      Let’s recap some of Holmgren’s recent hits:

      Carter/Richards (http://nbcprohockeytalk.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/john-stevens-between-mike-richards-and-jeff-carter.jpg)

      Pronger (you could argue the injury was unforeseen, but you have to realize this risk when you sign an over-35 player in the current cap system and if you don’t, you’re being negligent)

      Bryzgalov (tried to fill a need, but reached way too far)

      Their last 5 drafts (aside from Courtutier and *arguably* Rinaldo, there aren’t any real contributors on their current squad)

      You can bust pine’s chops all you want but like it or not, he has a point. And they just traded probably one of their best character/locker room guys for a second rate thug whose contract is expiring after this year. As a Pens fan, even I’m scratching my head a bit at this one.

      • narfmoo12 - Oct 31, 2013 at 5:19 PM

        M1K3G –

        So you think that a 35 year old is more vulnerable to a concussion from being hit in the face with a puck than a 25 year old? If not, your point about Prongermakes no sense.

        Carter/Richards – Flyers got Voracek, Couturier, Simmonds, Schenn, Grossmann (draft pick traded to Dallas) and Cousins. Every GM would make this trade every day of the week. … And don’t say Carter and Richards won the Cup because they won it as role players, not the top two guys on the team playing on the top line.

        Bryz was a bad idea.

        Last 5 drafts include includes multiple players who will be future Flyers… Morin, Laughton, Stolarz, Gostisbehere, Cousins, Hagg, and McGinn, plus Couturier and Rinaldo.

      • m1k3g - Oct 31, 2013 at 5:43 PM

        narf,
        You missed my points on pretty much everything.

        In regards to Pronger, no I do not think older players are more vulnerable to injuries. My point is that when you sign a 35+ year old player under the current system, when something like what happened with Pronger occurs, That money stays on your books. Now, Pronger and the Flyers are gaming the system to minimize the impact of it on the Flyers, but the fact remains that there is an inherent risk when signing players 35+ years old nowadays.

        In regards to Carter/Richards, my point wasn’t to imply that they “won the Cup for LA”. My point was that they were not the problem in Philly, as Holmgren seemed to imply by dealing them. Sure, you may have gotten some picks and players for them. Lombardi, Robitaille, and Sutter won a Cup with them. You can minimize their contributions all you want, but the fact is that they contributed legitimately. Richards had like 15pts in the playoffs that year.

        As for your last 5 drafts, it’s good that you think they’re GOING to contribute. My point was that none of these players are contributing NOW.

      • zacmelvinmcnutt - Oct 31, 2013 at 6:22 PM

        Also, trading Bobrovsky turned out to be a retarded move

      • flyerspsu - Oct 31, 2013 at 9:10 PM

        this wasnt a bad trade for the flyers, it was an interesting one but im not sure how trading a solid 4th liner like talbot who will come up and play 3rd line if need be but wont really score at all for a grittier, younger, better offensive player is so bad

        there are several players on the flyers that probably deserve to be traded before talbot but most have NTCs, more brilliance from holmgren … but this trade isnt bad by a long shot

        talbots 10 years of playing tough, hard minutes are starting to show, he is really nothing more than a fairly effective role player

    • narfmoo12 - Oct 31, 2013 at 5:12 PM

      Well Steve Downie has 7 points in 11 games. Talbot has 12 points in his last 46 games (since the start of last season)… Talbot can be replaced by Hall immediately for more than $1M less. Downie can actually play offense. Good enough defense of the trade?

    • flyerspsu - Oct 31, 2013 at 9:15 PM

      also downie going 29th overall is not bad at all, its actually probably a good pick,are you familiar with how the nhl draft works? getting an everyday player like downie that plays 15-17 minutes again and scores 15-20 goals while playing gritty is a damn good pick for 29th overall, mihallik, mickelsson, and plante were the next 3 players selected … a total of 1 goal and 13 points between them

  13. pxland - Oct 31, 2013 at 2:33 PM

    As an Avs fan I love it. We needed some offsetting good news today.

    • pxland - Oct 31, 2013 at 2:35 PM

      Sad for Paul gaustad though.

  14. hy3rid28 - Oct 31, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    Loved talbot , great penalty killer and good locker room guy, but don’t expect any offense from him. had one good year. Perfectly fine with this trade as a flyers fan

    • ibieiniid - Oct 31, 2013 at 2:38 PM

      as am I, plus, that means Raffl won’t be forced onto the top line. i highly expect Downie to suit up on G and Lecavalier’s line.

      • ibieiniid - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:09 PM

        as much as I don’t want this to be brought up, I feel like it hasta be said, and it might as well be by me.

        Steve Downie is now leading the Flyers in points.

      • ibieiniid - Oct 31, 2013 at 4:34 PM

        thumbs down that all you want, but hey, guess who on the Flyers has played with Vinny before.

    • mcphillthy - Oct 31, 2013 at 4:25 PM

      Oh damn. You are sadly accurate with that statement. I bet downie hates life today. From the land of legal marijuana to homer’s drunken oddysey….oh yeah…smh

      • flyerspsu - Oct 31, 2013 at 9:20 PM

        correct me if im wrong but i think when downie was in philly last time he was ordered to take anger management by the organization for being a lunatic and instead he turned it down and demanded a trade, if thats the case Downie is probably livid

  15. dropthepuckeh - Oct 31, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    It will definitely turn up the hate in the Eastern Conference, not that some of these teams needed any help. You have to imagine he gets suspended again in the next couple of months. Good pick up for Avs who look great.

  16. crazemastercraze - Oct 31, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    With Downie and Rinahldo on the team, the Flyers will play out the rest of the year on the PK in periods one, two and three of every game. Awesome move Philly!

    • philafly - Oct 31, 2013 at 2:54 PM

      Rinaldo is averaging 2 PIM per game.

      • ibieiniid - Oct 31, 2013 at 2:57 PM

        take away 2 fights, 1 per game

      • curioustraveler13 - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:08 PM

        He was also averaging about 4-7 minutes of ice time per game. MORE RINALDO!!

      • ibieiniid - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:16 PM

        don’t be deceptive. he’s averaging 7+ per game. so that’s 2PIM/game for a 14min player. that’s not that horrible, bud. he’s a 4th liner on a team that hasta crunch under Pronger’s cap hit to start the year. what do you expect?

      • curioustraveler13 - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:21 PM

        Wait you lost me. He’s playing 7 min per game but he’s a 14 minute player? Pronger’s cap has nothing to do with this.

      • flyerspsu - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:22 PM

        rinaldo hasnt averaged under 7 minutes in a season so far, rinaldo has cleaned up his game a lot, most of his penalties this year were just awful, a couple charging calls that were the farthest thing from charging but a guy got hit hard from the side somewhat near the boards so they had to come up with something

        rinaldo had stretches last year where he would go 10 gms w/o a penalty that put the flyers shorthanded and had an insane stretch where he had drawn roughly 19 penalties to put the flyers on the PP to about 3 or 4 to put them shorthanded, not making that up there was actually a statistical analysis of b/c it was such an impressive stretch

      • ibieiniid - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:24 PM

        he’s a 1PIM per 7 min player…. so if he was playing 14 mins….. he’d have 2 PIMs. fractions homie, learn them.

      • curioustraveler13 - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:25 PM

        Rinaldo’s last 5 games his ice time has been. 7:04, 3:39, 6:03, 8:56, and 4:45

      • ibieiniid - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:26 PM

        http://www.extraskater.com (thanks Halford), his penalties drawn to penalties taken +/- from last year was +3. this year it’s -2, but still, he seems to draw even over time.

      • ibieiniid - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:27 PM

        uh yeah… his last 5 games. this SEASON, he’s averaging 7+ min a game. jesus dude you argue about the stupidest sh**.

      • curioustraveler13 - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:27 PM

        O I know fractions. I just don’t know why anyone in his right mind would play Rinaldo 14 min per game.

      • curioustraveler13 - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:30 PM

        Well you are usually right there debating with me. So what’s that say about yourself?

      • ibieiniid - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:31 PM

        i’m talking about to evaluate his #s you moron.

        but you clearly don’t understand how averages work, since you gave a range of numbers to tell us what his AVERAGE is. not to mention, your range didn’t even include some of the games you cited. why would i think you understand fractions?

      • ibieiniid - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:32 PM

        ya… on articles about MY TEAM. you ever seen me argue with you on Penguins articles? you just come spout sh** out your mouth and expect me not to call you on some bullsh**

      • curioustraveler13 - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:33 PM

        Ooo so your dealing with hypotheticals . I gotcha now. Well why stop there. Tell me how is Penalty minutes shake out if he plays 21 minutes per game.

      • curioustraveler13 - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:35 PM

        I didn’t realize you were part owner. Congrats buddy!

      • philafly - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:36 PM

        Let it go, dude. You’re annoying as hell.

      • curioustraveler13 - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:46 PM

        I’m trolling buddy. Annoying=success. So thank you!

      • philafly - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:50 PM

        Measuring personal success by how badly you annoy people that you do not know and will likely never meet is a sad way to live a life. What a waste of time.

      • curioustraveler13 - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:59 PM

        Hahaha I’m wasting my time, yet your responding to someone who just said he was trolling. Thumbs up to you buddy.

    • philafly - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:15 PM

      It must be exhausting trolling as hard as you do. Do you sleep?

      • curioustraveler13 - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:31 PM

        The good ones never sleep.

  17. parkway4 - Oct 31, 2013 at 2:50 PM

    As a Flyers fan I hate this trade

    • ibieiniid - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:23 PM

      why? it def sucks losing Talbot, but when’s the last time he’s been that effective on offense? it’s been at least a year. our PP blows, we plugged Downie in. our D is actually playing quite well, so we don’t necessarily need that many defensive offensemen. I don’t know your feelings on Raffl, but I didn’t like him on the top line. I think Downie comes in and at least gives that line some ability to do what they want. We squeeze under the cap to start the year, so we can afford to take on another mil of cap hit once Pronger goes on LTIR. I can’t blame Homer here. got a younger player that scores more points in a year we’re hurting on offense. It’s not the game-changer we were looking for, but I personally think it helps if he can stay healthy/unsuspended.

  18. crazemastercraze - Oct 31, 2013 at 2:54 PM

    Love how philly is obsessed with the same type of player year in, year out as if we’re stuck in time and never left 1974-75. Idea for a “Buck Rodgers” remake: he’s a hockey player stuck in a time vortex and can never leave the team he’s on and plays the same season over and over and over…

  19. sjsharks66 - Oct 31, 2013 at 2:58 PM

    NOOOOOOOOO I loved cheering for Downie when he was playing teams I hate. Now he is on the team i hate..

  20. tru2joelu4eva - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:06 PM

    as an avs fan, this sucks. every team needs a steve downie, and we had THE steve downie. lame.

    • jernster21 - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:17 PM

      I have mixed emotions about the trade. They’re pretty similar players but offensively the edge goes to Downie. I think Talbot has offensive potential being paired up with other offensively talented players, so it could turn out to be a wash in that regard. I guess the unanswered question is, why? Why make this trade? Maybe it really is about added depth and bringing in a guy who has won a cup and played in a lot of playoff games. Downie is fearless and that’s hard to replace.

      Now I have to ask Talbot if he’ll unblock me on twitter at this years meet the team party.

  21. pitpenguinsrulez - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:16 PM

    Well this is a typical Flyers move

  22. alicesrightfootesq - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:22 PM

    Seems like a lateral move, if that, for Philly. Steve Downie is not a 20 year old with a lot of potential. He’s 26 and has arguably reached his ceiling as a forward. Avs get some playoff experience for their kids but it seems like Philly would go for picks to rebuild than for a decent, situation forward. LOL, I don’t actually think that. Ed Snider wouldn’t let any GM rebuild.

  23. jrclark1978 - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:31 PM

    The only reason this makes any sort of sense is that Talbot was vastly underperforming offensively. Fine, but how does this help a team that is desperate to stay off the PK? Jesus Homer, is this the best you can do?

    • ibieiniid - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:36 PM

      what are you talking about? we’re one of the best PK teams right now and we’re middle of the pack in PKs total.

      • jpelle82 - Oct 31, 2013 at 4:10 PM

        well, isnt part of that because of talbot? he’s second in sh minutes on that pk unit, now he’s gone. if thats a strength for the flyers i’ve gotta believe it just got weaker…i dont see any short handed minutes on downie’s ledger….in fact he’s the one of 2 guys on colorado with 0.00 sh toi.

      • ibieiniid - Oct 31, 2013 at 4:15 PM

        yeah Downie is strictly PP. Idk, I can’t blame Homer for trying to strengthen a weakness if it means weakening a strength… especially if that weakness is any kind of scoring, PP or not.

      • flyerspsu - Oct 31, 2013 at 9:26 PM

        hall will take talbots spot on the pk, we still have hall, read, and couturier right there which are 3 real good defensive players and then theres giroux and sometimes voracek does pk as well, im not saying its a good move but were losing a 4th liner whos a good pk guy for an player tha scores and plays 15-17 min, thats not too shabby

      • flyerspsu - Oct 31, 2013 at 9:26 PM

        hall will take talbots spot on the pk, we still have hall, read, and couturier right there which are 3 real good defensive players and then theres giroux and sometimes voracek does pk as well, im not saying its a good move but were losing a 4th liner whos a good pk guy for an player tha scores and plays 15-17 min, thats not too shabby

  24. nj666 - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:36 PM

    Another goon for the flyers. More of that broad st bully mentality that hasn’t worked since the 70’s… never change paul, never change…

  25. 7mantel - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    Well there goes the Flyers new idea of being disciplined ! This guy is a loose cannon !

  26. thesportsguru7 - Oct 31, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    As a Flyers fan, this is why they suck…For the love of God, fire Paul Holmgren. The Flyers continue to add players with no skill. They add goons, and guys who are good “hockey” guys. When are they going to acquire people who have a skill set…like defensemen who can move a puck, or a forward who can actually score? The one thing the Flyers are lacking, is a GM who knows how to put a team together.

    • flyerspsu - Oct 31, 2013 at 9:36 PM

      you do realize they got someone with more skill than they guy they traded? significantly more tbh

  27. trigzter - Oct 31, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    I don’t understand the hate here at all. Philly gets a top 6 forward who’s contract expires at the end of the year for a bottom 6 forward who has 3 years left on his contract. If downie doesn’t work out they can just not resign him…instead of being forced to deal with talbots contract the next two years while he is aging and declining

    • phillyphanatic77 - Nov 1, 2013 at 12:12 PM

      Thank you for bringing some logic to the situation. Teams are always searching for players with sandpaper mixed with ability, but when the Flyers get one it’s like “same old stupid Flyers, living in the 70″. I’m a huge Talbot fan, didn’t want him traded, but Downie brings more. Plus, what ppl are failing to mention is that Rinaldo or Hall can slide into the PK spot. Talbot was expendable. Downie is a lot like Steve Ott, and all teams want a player like that. Good trade for both sides, but I think the Flyers come out with more..

  28. 2qswing - Oct 31, 2013 at 4:28 PM

    So you add an undisciplined, reckless, selfish player who averages one stupid penalty a game because he has “grit”. This to a team that is already reckless, undisciplined, occasionally lazy. You gonna replace Max on PK with this guy???
    This is no help, possible step backwards if that’s possible. He’ll probably goon it up and get a lot of ovations for it though. Sit in the box and watch the other team score.

  29. 2qswing - Oct 31, 2013 at 4:30 PM

    Top 6 ?? did you say top 6?

    • ibieiniid - Oct 31, 2013 at 4:48 PM

      he’s been top 6 his whole career, guy. plus, he’s played on Vinny’s line in TB and did quite well.

      • curioustraveler13 - Oct 31, 2013 at 5:06 PM

        Wait hes been playing top 6 his whole career with talent like vinny and the best he can produce is 145 points in 285 games. Not going to lie, your setting the bar pretty low for your top 6.

  30. aantinore - Oct 31, 2013 at 4:59 PM

    Let’s just call it what it is, a 2014-15 salary dump. The player talent for the Flyers is irrelevant considering they’re not going to the playoffs this year anyway.

  31. Plumber 65 - Oct 31, 2013 at 5:05 PM

    One guy is seriously up and one down. I’m saying max is way up. He’s coming to a team that is on top of its game. 1st 2nd or 3rd line it’s a win win for him. Sorry downie.

  32. Plumber 65 - Oct 31, 2013 at 5:15 PM

    Very true. You gotta point.

  33. anthonyverna - Oct 31, 2013 at 6:13 PM

    How do the Flyers get better with this trade?

    • flyerspsu - Oct 31, 2013 at 9:38 PM

      they got someone who is better offensively? you know their weakness this year

  34. whammy71 - Oct 31, 2013 at 10:02 PM

    Glad to see CaveMan Hockey is alive and well in the City of Brothers on Drugs!

    Enjoy your crappy season!

    • iplaygoalie - Oct 31, 2013 at 10:52 PM

      Because every team in the league doesn’t go through struggles? I know everyone loves to hate philly but come on man.

      • whammy71 - Oct 31, 2013 at 11:52 PM

        Stats don’t lie….he’s a goon. Philly MGMT never learns. CaveMan Hockey is dead….except n Philly.

        Enjoy your crappy season.

      • iplaygoalie - Nov 1, 2013 at 2:10 AM

        Caveman? You’re a silly man.

  35. iplaygoalie - Oct 31, 2013 at 10:50 PM

    I like the move for the long term. Downie gone by seasons end which for a realistic flyers fan like myself will be regular season. Flyers honestly can’t keep doing the big contracts, hopefully hex tall is here to rid us of that crap.

  36. whammy71 - Oct 31, 2013 at 11:54 PM

    All this moaning over Max’s lack of offense….but doesn’t him and Fraud Gayroux have the same number of goals?

    • iplaygoalie - Nov 1, 2013 at 2:09 AM

      You’re a moron. That is all

  37. georgejarkko - Nov 1, 2013 at 9:26 AM

    http://blogs.denverpost.com/avs/2013/10/31/max-talbot-steve-downie-trade-analysis/15414/

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