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Torts: ‘Our team is not going to dive’

Oct 24, 2013, 12:21 PM EDT

Kesler Dive

The Vancouver Canucks have a reputation for embellishment. That’s a fact.

How much they actually deserve said reputation has been debated to no end; however, for new head coach John Tortorella, it’s a debate he hopes will peter out during his tenure behind the bench.

“When I wasn’t coaching here, everybody outside thought Vancouver dove and did some whining,” Tortorella said today in New Jersey, per’s Dan Rosen. “Our team is not going to dive. I don’t think there is much whining going on either.

“It’s my chance to say we’re going to be an honest team, trying to be an honest team, and I hope we get some calls along the way.”

The Canucks, who Tortorella says he’s “talked to” about embellishment, haven’t been getting a ton of calls so far this season. In 11 games, they’ve had just 29 power-play opportunities, with 12 of those coming in their first two games. In each of their last nine, they haven’t had more than three. Four times they’ve only had one.

“I’m certainly not trying to accuse the league or refs of [having a bias against the Canucks],” said Tortorella, “but I know there’s been a reputation. Sometimes that hangs around.”

  1. stakex - Oct 24, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    Just another reason why Torts is a far more respectable coach then he gets credit for. If he was a little nicer to the press, or the NHL fan base wasn’t so sensitive, he would probably be one of the most popular coaches in the league.

    • bekay19 - Oct 24, 2013 at 2:30 PM

      100% correct… some times professionals do not like to hear the Truth.. and Torts is far too honest

  2. typicalmontreal - Oct 24, 2013 at 12:52 PM

    During the cup run of 2011 the Canucks were definitely guilty of diving, and they got hammered for it by the media and hockey fans. Since then though, I really have not seen any diving from that team other than Kesler, and even he is letting up. Whereas, it seems the rest of the league is diving more than ever now.
    I am glad Torts is so against it, I believe it ruins the game and makes the refs tough job, that much tougher.
    The league really needs to start penalizing players for the dive, instead of just coincidental minors. There is no downside to diving. Either you go with somebody or your team gets a pp.

    • imleftcoast - Oct 24, 2013 at 2:14 PM

      The Habs spent the 70s diving. Get a life.

  3. drewsylvania - Oct 24, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    Won’t last a game.

  4. pepper2011 - Oct 24, 2013 at 1:58 PM

    In related news The Sedins announce they will not be returning to Vancouver. Kesler has requested a trade, Dale Weise and Kevin Beiska have been heard sobbing uncontrollably while speaking to someone with a NY phone number.

    • dropthepuckeh - Oct 24, 2013 at 3:58 PM

      So funny I was thinking about writing close to the same thing. Between this and having to block shots they must be devastated.

      • cambannedloinstache - Oct 24, 2013 at 4:09 PM

        That is hilarious! It’s almost like you can’t rub enough brain cells together to generate trash talk more original than someone who acknowledges Dale Weise’s existence in any capacity.

    • micasa81 - Oct 24, 2013 at 5:30 PM

      Pepper, we’d all welcome your witty commentary on the gif loinstache posted. Thoughts?

      • pepper2011 - Oct 25, 2013 at 2:15 PM

        An embellishment on the jump, but it was a hook – Landeskog gets him pretty good – very begining of GIF, and he was going down, but the hook changed his momentum and balance.

        Also if you have ever skated; he could have jumped to avoid ankle injury or just falling flat on his butt. I think he was trying to get a call, but it served a dual purpose- he was going down, with the jump he was able to break his fall, I don’t’ like that crap, and it wouldn’t have happened if there had been a tripping/hooking call earlier in the game that the refs missed on Krejci, where he did skate through it.

        again, I don’t like the crap when the B’s pull it. My defense would be that they generally don’t and resort to it when they continue to skate through things like that and not get calls. I know you won’t believe me, but the PP time speaks for itself.
        2014 – 25th (current)
        2013 – 30th (last) SCF (13th GPG)
        2012 – 22nd (tied 2nd Goals per game)
        2011 – 26th (SCF) (5th GPG)

        I mean those are pretty staggering numbers. you have a top 6 offense team not getting penalties called against them. It just doesn’t add up that other teams suddenly decide not to hold or trip, etc.. against one of the higher level teams in the league. Please give me an explantion as to how/why FLA can draw more penalties than Krejci, Bergeron, Lucic, Seguin, Marchand, etc…

        The B’s will embellish and Most B’s fans hate it, but we can justify it because there are at least few calls a game they don’t get because they don’t dive and they are generally bigger than most teams. Chara and Lucic in particular take a beating and rarely draw penalties because they are so strong. They are not the only players in this league that have to deal with it – Joe Thornton, Rick Nash, Simmonds, Bufligien come to mind- you know all the guys who are just bigger and stronger than most.

      • pepper2011 - Oct 25, 2013 at 2:24 PM

        Hope this answers your question. Again, you have a team that has made it to the SFC 2 or 3 years drawing less penalties than ANY other team in the league. a team that has averaged the 6th best offense team over that same time span.

        just doesn’t make sense; especially if you think they dive all the time to get calls – are you trying to say they deserve even less PP time than their already last in the league showing.

        every team will have their instances. It’s the teams like MTL and Vacouver where it is built into the culture of the team; much like soccer. I just don’t like it as a team philosophy.

    • kitshky - Oct 24, 2013 at 7:43 PM

      In related news – pepper2011 and dropthepuckeh clearly haven’t watched a Canuck game in the last two years.

      • pepper2011 - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:46 PM

        I like to watch relevant teams. You know, teams that make the playoffs. I mean ever since the Bruins broke the Canucks; they haven’t really been worth watching.

      • kitshky - Oct 25, 2013 at 2:16 PM

        So … you admit you’re talking directly out of your ass and have no actual evidence to back up your claim.

        That’s big of you.

      • pepper2011 - Oct 25, 2013 at 2:35 PM

        decent comeback, but doesn’t change the fact the the NHL blacklisted multiple players on the Canucks.

        Also the BR put out an article a year ago with the worst divers. 3 current Canucks – four when the article was written.

        Subban, Carcillo, Brodeur, Marchand, Ribero, Sid, Kesler, Brown, Semin, Avery (never submitted retirement papers), Burrows, H Sedin, Thornton, Lapierre, and Ovi.

      • conigliaro25 - Oct 26, 2013 at 11:51 PM

        We mostly watch the Western teams at playoff time. Since the 2011 Canuck loss, their playoffs generally last just a few days for them, so there arent as many games on.

  5. cambannedloinstache - Oct 24, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    Aside from the Kesler spill against LA, the Canucks have eliminated diving from their game. Yet teams like Boston, who was just as guilty in the 2011 series, continue to do so and allow their oblivious fans to expose themselves.

    Embarassing Krejci dive Oct 12 2013

    • bigtganks - Oct 24, 2013 at 3:42 PM

      ^^ WOWOWOWWWWW… That’s a full blown dive. I don’t think I’ve ever seen embellishment to that extreme from Kesler. I mean, there was no one even touching him and he pirouettes and jump twists… That’s beyond embarrassing. I’d love on a play that extreme that they get suspended for a game for something that dramatic.

      • pepper2011 - Oct 25, 2013 at 2:37 PM

        He was clearly hooked. He dove, but his momentum was changed and he lost his balance from it. He embellished yes, but you can’t be so blind as to not see Landeskog hook him and swing his hip around at the very beginning of GIF

    • dropthepuckeh - Oct 24, 2013 at 3:59 PM

      Get over it buddy – Boston won the Cup that year. Nobody likes a sore loser.

      • cambannedloinstache - Oct 24, 2013 at 4:06 PM

        Drew and pepper, the two posters above me who are talking sh!t, are noted Boston fans on this site and the comment was made towards them. In extension, please point me to a team that has been a trashier winner than the Boston fans towards Canucks.

      • micasa81 - Oct 24, 2013 at 5:28 PM

        Hold on, hold on, just so we’re straight here – it’s fine for B’s fans to trash talk a team they probably have barely even seen play since 2011, but if anyone posts current video evidence of a Bruin diving, they’re told to “grow up”, “stop being bitter about 2011”, etc.?

      • conigliaro25 - Oct 27, 2013 at 12:05 AM

        B’s Fans talk trash to Vancouver fans because they.

        -still whine they were mistreated by refs in 2011
        -defend Aaron Rome’s assasination hit
        -defend Burrows biting Bergeron
        -stuck up for Luongo and his idiotic commentary
        -prentend they dont dive, even when the HNIC crowd raves about how smart the Sedins are when the “draw” a penalty with thier dancing

        What cracks me up is that I was ROOTING for Van at the beginning of the playoffs because I thought the B’s would lose to Montreal and Vancouver was a talented club that had never won anything before. Then my Blackhawk fan friends told me “just wait, they are classless idiots.” I thought he was kidding. I could not believe how much I was revolted by that team, their management and their fans, capped off by burning down their own city.

        And I had 2 friends from Van who still wont speak to me anymore because of their furious defending of their team’s antics.

      • pepper2011 - Oct 29, 2013 at 1:17 PM

        You really need thicker skin. Talking ish? I Made a diving joke about players on the Canucks who are notorious for diving under vigneault. If they weren’t THE COACH wouldn’t need to make statements like “our team is not going to dive”

        Geezus. I am sorry your team acted like a bunch of petulant children who didn’t get what they wanted. You got beat by a better team.

        what trash was talked exactly?

    • thesportsjudge - Oct 24, 2013 at 4:01 PM

      2011 was 2 years ago. Let it go.

      • cambannedloinstache - Oct 24, 2013 at 4:07 PM

        again, it’s hard to take “let it go” seriously when bruins supporters are the ones to start the flame

      • thesportsjudge - Oct 24, 2013 at 4:17 PM

        Hardcore sports fan in the Northeast(New England area) are a notoriously bitter bunch. You have to take what is said with a grain of salt. Hell, it is pretty well known the people from New England area are not nearly as friendly, in general, as people from the South.

      • pepper2011 - Oct 25, 2013 at 2:50 PM

        We call it being real vs fake.

        I also don’t think we are notoriously bitter.

        Why would we be bitter?

        We have more championships and have been to more championships than any other city in the last decade +. 3 superbowl wins, plus two more losses, 1 cup win, another loss, 2 WS and other TBD this year. 1 NBA championship and 2 more finals losses.

        What you call bitter, we call – “you’re making stuff up and we’re not gonna nod and smile”.

        is Alabama bitter in your eyes too?

        Oh there were 5 NCAA national hockey Championships since 2001 too.

        so bitter.

      • thesportsjudge - Oct 25, 2013 at 4:45 PM

        You know what, you are right. People here are more entitled than bitter. Thanks for pointing that out.

      • conigliaro25 - Oct 26, 2013 at 11:55 PM

        Wait… Bruins’ fans are “bitter”? According to Vancouver fans, whose team has exactly as many Stanley Cups as The New York Yankees and the Joe’s Mini Mart Pee Wees?

      • pepper2011 - Oct 29, 2013 at 1:40 PM


        You kinda keep changing your argument when facts prove you wrong.

        To Prove the whole entitled thing wrong. Check in with some Blackhawk fans. Great series; heartbreaking from Bruins POV, but they lost to a damn good, hardworking team. I am guessing most Hawks fans would have felt the same if it had turned out with a B’s Cup.

        If ANYTHING – The Canucks were the entitled team. You had the big name goalie, the twins, the Presidents trophy, home ice and 2-0 lead.

        You went in entitled and came out bitter. Your team has spent the last two years crapping itself and the B’s have put themselves in a position to be serious contenders for the foreseeable future. Not bitter, not entitled – realistic and enthusiastic.

      • thesportsjudge - Oct 29, 2013 at 2:00 PM

        The fans always want more in NE(okay, everywhere.)
        Fans in general over the last 10-13 years in NE have become entitled.
        Before that, they were EXTREMELY bitter. I believe most NE fans celebrate, but with one eye looking for the hammer to fall.
        In no way do I mean the teams in NE were/are entitled.

    • conigliaro25 - Oct 26, 2013 at 11:53 PM

      Just as guilty in 2011? LOL. Did you even watch that series? The B’s PP was so hideous they did not WANT penalties called on Vancouver so they wouldn’t get a lift killing every power play off.

  6. slysipops - Oct 24, 2013 at 5:25 PM


  7. csilojohnson - Oct 24, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    Was a penalty even called on the Avs? Looked like a spin move gone horribly wrong more then a dive.

  8. earpaniac - Oct 24, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    It sounds like they don’t really dive anymore (I haven’t seen them play this year) but it might take a while for that rep to go away. If it even can with the same roster. True or not, I’d go with true in the past, that reputation was SO ingrained in hockey culture it’s gonna be tough to get rid of.

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