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Flyers get second win, enhance Rangers’ sadness

Oct 24, 2013, 10:08 PM EDT

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To put things mildly, things haven’t been going well for the Philadelphia Flyers. At least they shouldn’t feel lonely, as they hosted – and defeated – an equally grim* New York Rangers team 2-1 on Thursday.

This marks the Flyers’ second win of the season, as both teams have nearly identical records (Philly’s 2-7-0 while New York is 2-6-0).

Bright sides

For the Rangers, it’s pretty obvious: they just have one more road game in their staggering nine-game opening trip before they can get their feet under them a bit at Madison Square Garden. The Flyers have had it easier, as six of their first nine have been in Philadelphia. (At least Cam Talbot looked competent, stopping 25 out of 27 shots.)

Also: Brad Richards is playing well.

The bad news for the Flyers is that they aren’t even scoring in bunches when they win, as their two victories came at 2-1.

Oddly enough, Steve Mason‘s strong play has been obscured by Philly’s awful scoring. Despite that 2-5-0 record, Mason’s .930 save percentage is sterling.

So, sure, you have to squint to find positives … although beating the Rangers is an obvious plus for Flyers fans.

* – The bleak outlooks are comparable unless you really want to split hairs of sadness.

  1. blackandorangeforlife - Oct 24, 2013 at 10:17 PM

    Ugly but a win is a win…..Glad Talbot was alright and that was not even a Major penalty let alone game misconduct!

  2. pitpenguinsrulez - Oct 24, 2013 at 10:19 PM

    …and with that win the Flyers are STILL in last place

    • broadstreetbeatdown - Oct 24, 2013 at 10:46 PM

      Mommy said it time for bed. Run along junior. The adults are trying to have a discussion.

    • broadstreetbeatdown - Oct 24, 2013 at 10:55 PM

      Actually Buffalo is in last place. I take it you missed out on math class in school? Not that expect much from a troll such as yourself.

    • laxman1944 - Oct 25, 2013 at 8:54 AM

      LOL….You prove yet again what an insufferable/classless douchebag you really are.

      Seriously do you really get off making sh*thead comments like this??

      You give your team a bad name.

  3. stakex - Oct 24, 2013 at 10:23 PM

    The only bright side for the Rangers is that Kreider looked really good tonight, and Cam Talbot looks like he might be a solid second fiddle behind Lundqvist. The rest though? Terrible, absolutely terrible. Even when they controlled the play, the Rangers were never a threat to score. Its really amazing.

    It was also good to see Max Talbot come back from that collision into the boards. Never want to see that no matter who it is or what team they play for. I would however like to, yet again, say that the refs need to stop making reactionary calls just because someone is hurt on a play. Talbot was engaged with Pouliot, lost his balance, and fell face first into the boards. He wasn’t run into the boards, he wasn’t pushed into the boards, and there was nothing at all dirty/illegal about the play. It was a standard hockey play gone bad, and Pouliot gets ejected for it? That’s just not acceptable, and refs should be held accountable for such bad calls. The Flyers announcers should also be ashamed for even hinting that it was a dirty hit that might result in a suspension….

    • phillyphanatic77 - Oct 24, 2013 at 11:52 PM

      You need to realize what you’re doing when you engage a player 5 feet from the boards, from behind, when you can see their numbers. Talbot admitted he lost his balance but he was also hit in a vulnerable position. It wasn’t a dirty play, but it was absolutely dangerous. Players must be aware of their surroundings and it was careless maneuver by Pouliot. I’m not saying there should be any supplemental discipline, or even arguing the merits of the penalty, but that doesn’t mean Pouliot isn’t atleast partly at fault for almost seriously injuring Talbot.

      • broadstreetsbaddest88 - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:49 AM

        Yeah I don’t think that was a dirty play but he definitely needs to be aware of the situation he’s in and the vulnerable position talbot was in when he pushed him. You can tell he tried to grab him by his jersey to pull him back so he didn’t go head into the boards. That game misconduct was a bit much. As for JJ and jones and coatsy, I don’t see how they should be ashamed of themselves, they just said it was a dangerous play. Nothing about how that was dirty or intention. Jim Jackson even said pouliot is none not to be a dirty player

    • orangandblack - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:58 AM

      What announcers were you listening too?? I didn’t hear anyone mention a suspension. I only heard them repeatedly mention how he obviously had no malicious intent, and that it was an unfortunate hockey play.

    • barkar942 - Oct 25, 2013 at 2:40 AM

      Sorry to disagree, Stakex, but if you look carefully at the Flyers game winning goal, Mr. Kreider decided to take a late run at someone at the Flyer blue line which made him look like he was practicing spins by himself by the time he finally got back into the defensive end and made a lame stick check and then was off all by himself in the left face off dot ten feet away from any Philly player and way too late to cover anyone. Please go back to the highlights on NHL.com. The video shows it all clearly.
      I, along with you and others, hope that this kid can live up to his expected potential, but until he is locked in the AHL for a year without ever seeing the NHL, he is going to continue to make poor choices without the puck and will continue to cost the Rangers goals against.
      The only bright side- McD and Girardi are starting to look better, Strahlman still looks sound, but Staal looks still just a tick off, and how many turnovers did DelZ have?
      Now the bad news- Stepan held out to get more money for what in return- to look worse on the ice than DelZ? He needs to get his head out of his *ss! Pouliot’s hit wasn’t intentional to injure, the contact was at an unfortunate distance from the boards, and he was instantly concerned about Max. Glad to see Max is ok and Pouliot will probably get two games.
      As for the rest of the team, at least Dorsett fought, because he has very limited stick skills. I know there were other white shirts on the ice, but I really couldn’t differentiate one bad player from another.
      Cam Talbot played a good game. Can’t fault him on either goal.Brassard pukes the puck up short handed and Kreider was lollygagging at the wrong end of the ice.

      I can’t wait for the first game at the new Garden. I can imagine that the crowd will be ready to lynch Dolan, Sather, AV, Arneil and Samuelson and will be very vocal about it!

    • kastout11 - Oct 25, 2013 at 10:25 AM

      Flyers fan living in upstate NY here. I watched the game on MSG and even the Rangers announcers said the penalty had to be called. From the side angle he definitely pushed him. It is the penalty that the NHL is really trying to get out of the sport. I agree that it did not appear to be a vicious hit, but nonetheless a penalty and unfortunately a match penalty.

      • barkar942 - Oct 25, 2013 at 12:08 PM

        I am sure you saw that Talbot said he lost his balance more than Pouliot hitting him was the reason for the collision with the boards. Just glad to see he was ok.

  4. mcphillthy - Oct 24, 2013 at 10:30 PM

    The flyers looked good out there for good chunks of the game. You can definitely feel something on the ice with our guys now. Happy for the W. Good job boys.

    • broadstreetbeatdown - Oct 24, 2013 at 10:50 PM

      They rang alot of iron tonight. I think they need to relax a bit the lack of scoring is messing with their heads. Vinny and Streit looked really good out there tonight. PP has to get it together.

      • kastout11 - Oct 25, 2013 at 10:26 AM

        Definitely lacking confidence and you can tell they are holding their sticks tight.

    • matthewmacisaac - Oct 25, 2013 at 4:29 AM

      They looked better. They didn’t take an entire period off, but they still did get hemmed in a lot. How many decades has clearing your own zone been a problem? Other than Coburn’s goal They never managed to get a good shot AND traffic in front of the net. It was always one or the other. The way Talbot played in net, they would havebeen better off facing Lundquist.

  5. pitpenguinsrulez - Oct 24, 2013 at 11:09 PM

    @WhimpStreetBeatDown oh I forget to say “Dead Last in the Metro” …I hope that helps you out

    • broadstreetbeatdown - Oct 24, 2013 at 11:22 PM

      Yes, thank you fanboy. You may now go to sleep with your Crosby action figure. Night night junior.

    • whammy71 - Oct 25, 2013 at 8:15 AM

      Come on man…you’re being nice. His real name is BroadStreetMeatBeater. Cause that is what he does on the hour…every hour.

      • broadstreetbeatdown - Oct 25, 2013 at 10:41 AM

        You forgot to add whammy at the end of your lame barb, yinzer.

      • whammy71 - Oct 25, 2013 at 10:49 AM

        I don’t waste whammies on last place teams. enjoy your crappy season.

  6. pitpenguinsrulez - Oct 24, 2013 at 11:12 PM

    @WhimpStreetBeatDown yawn…your Flyers are still last place in the Metro. I think there calling for you to get your fixing of brotherly love in Love Park right now!

    • broadstreetbeatdown - Oct 24, 2013 at 11:19 PM

      Your grammar is worse than your mathematical skills and hockey knowledge.

  7. pitpenguinsrulez - Oct 24, 2013 at 11:25 PM

    Oh look PHT now has a grammar nazi @broadstreetbeatdown …hope this victory makes you sleep better tonight man

    • broadstreetbeatdown - Oct 24, 2013 at 11:31 PM

      Thats whimpstreetbeatdown to you youngster. Don’t be mad at me because you’re a retard who can’t form any semblance of a proper sentence. I figured since PHT had a dopey Hens troll such as yourself, it also needed a grammar nazi.

      • macgrubie - Oct 25, 2013 at 9:26 AM

        Broad – life tip. Don’t engage in discussion with people who use Z instead of S at the end of words.

  8. phillyphanatic77 - Oct 24, 2013 at 11:39 PM

    Doesn’t have to be pretty, these two points were almost a necessity. 2-7 doesn’t look a whole lot better than 1-8 but it’s where they had to start. The offense is still not coming easy but atleast they could grind out a win. I think (eventually) the puck will start bouncing our way more consistently. And Steve Mason has continued to look excellent.

    PP needs to improve. Big guns have to produce. But I’m just glad to see this team has the ability to atleast win ugly.

    • broadstreetsbaddest88 - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:59 AM

      Yeah I totally agree. Both teams played sloppy but there was some improvement. They were still adjusting to there new lines. I hope they build some chemistry. I didn’t like the lines at first but I think this could work out good with Vinny and Giroux. I liked that third line alot. Read got them goin and couturier looked good gettin into the play. Hopefully we build off this. That power play needs to get goin cause that was frustrating to watch. Eventually luck and some bounces gotta go our way

    • hockey412 - Oct 25, 2013 at 10:59 AM

      I just don’t understand the lack of offense compared to two years ago. Much of it is on Holmgren, but what he assembled looked like it was going to be good. What gives?

      Goals/Game:
      2010/2011 – 3.12 (ranked 3rd)
      2011/2012 – 3.17 (ranked 2nd, even with loss of Richards/Carter)
      2012/2013 – 2.75 (ranked 9th)
      2013/2014 – 1.44 (ranked 29th)

      It’s slowly been slipping since 2011/2012, and it’s really not personnel…I can’t for the life of me figure how the same guys, playing the same system (outside of the past two games, in which they really haven’t lit it up either) started to slip so badly? Maybe the struggling D last year left the forwards with some bad habits trying to compensate.

  9. pitpenguinsrulez - Oct 25, 2013 at 12:04 AM

    @broadstreetbeatdown lol I just don’t care pretty much…have no reason to except get a good laugh on here from the comments section

  10. hockeyfan28 - Oct 25, 2013 at 2:34 AM

    Paul Holmgren for all the criticism he takes I gotta give the guy credit where it’s due Steve Mason can play and there’s enough of a sample now that his goaltending can keep these guys in any game until this teamwide lack of an ability to finish thing goes away….when that will actually happen I have no idea

  11. hockey412 - Oct 25, 2013 at 8:16 AM

    I’m not sure I’d call playing 6 of the first 9 in Philly “easier”…even if you are the home team.

  12. mclovinhockey - Oct 25, 2013 at 9:05 AM

    How the hell did talbot return?? I know he is a beast but he def looked concussed trying to skate off the ice and when he almost collapsed in the hall. I love the heart but sometimes you have to put your health first.

    Def was not a cheap hit, the call was due to the refs seeing the result an not the bit itself. The game is just too fast to blame the refs for screwing up a call like that. Glad it did not change the game.

    Both teams still have a lot to work on. Think the rangers will did comfort ending the road trip, Philly needs to get back to basics, stop looking for the open man and toss the puck on net with a man in front.

    Hope these teams find their game soon.

    • hockey412 - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:13 PM

      I’ve seen him do that a number of times when he played for Pittsburgh. Love the guy, but sadly I think the answer to your question is that the guy is just too dumb to know when he’s hurt.

  13. pitpenguinsrulez - Oct 25, 2013 at 9:07 AM

    @laxman1944 …and to think Flyer fans don’t do the same/similar things on here and other websites…including you

  14. blackandorangeforlife - Oct 25, 2013 at 10:22 AM

    Gotta love some of these Pens fans….Their team cant get to the Big Game so they troll Flyers boards to replace that satisfaction…….Have fun with the “Spurts of Greatness”…..I will cheer for team with a real winning history without the Asterisks!

  15. DED - Oct 25, 2013 at 10:29 AM

    12 goals in 8 games and Richards has 5 of them. Who’d have thought that?

  16. pitpenguinsrulez - Oct 25, 2013 at 10:39 AM

    Can’t get to the Big Game? That’s laughable…how long has it been since your Eiggles or Flyers last won a championship in the city known as the City of Losers

    • blackandorangeforlife - Oct 25, 2013 at 11:06 AM

      Its because they have to win them……No one is handing them anything *2009

  17. pitpenguinsrulez - Oct 25, 2013 at 12:42 PM

    Handed to them? Haha laughable…your Eiggles are the poster child for quitting with 2 minutes left in the Superbowl when driving down the field to score and tie it up. …And even after all those post season appearances since 75 all the Flyers have done is choke in the playoffs. …But hey atleast the Pens haven’t been SWEPT in the Stanley Final like the LOD lead Flyers were in 1997 to Detroit.

    • blackandorangeforlife - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:13 PM

      That is because your Pens get swept before they get to the Finals while scoring less then this years Flyers!

  18. pitpenguinsrulez - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    Oh man that one hurt…lol

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