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Flyers on fan poll calling for Holmgren’s firing: ‘To us, it doesn’t mean anything’

Oct 21, 2013, 11:37 AM EDT

Paul Holmgren AP

Granted, it’s tough to take a vote of confidence from the Flyers entirely seriously after head coach Peter “Not At All On the Hot Seat” Laviolette was fired three games into the season, but for what it’s worth, Peter Luukko (president of the team’s parent company, Comcast-Spectacor) tells the Philadelphia Inquirer that general manager Paul Holmgren’s job is safe:

From the article:

Though obviously not satisfied with the early-season results, Luukko said that Holmgren’s job is not in jeopardy, that the team just needs time to adjust to new coach Craig Berube’s system.

Luukko was not alarmed by the results of a recent philly.com poll. Heading into the weekend, more than 4,400 people had responded when asked if Holmgren should be replaced.

Almost 93 percent said yes.

“When things aren’t going well, the timing of the poll is what directly relates to the answers,” Luukko said the other day. “To us, it doesn’t mean anything.”

The Flyers (1-7-0) are in the midst of a week-long break; their next game is Thursday versus the similarly struggling Rangers.

If the Flyers don’t turn it around soon, expect the Holmgren speculation to continue. Not saying it’s a foregone conclusion that he’ll be gone, but it should be noted that firing a GM is a tough thing to time. Does the team do it before the trade deadline so the new guy can start putting his stamp on the roster right away? Or, is it better to wait until the offseason when there are typically more candidates available to interview?

  1. gregman98 - Oct 21, 2013 at 11:51 AM

    Flyers22:

    What was that about “built to win” and “eating my words”???????

    You also asked about what drugs I was on. Apparently the kind that gives one Nostradamus-style powers of prediction.

    flyers22 – Sep 10, 2013 at 12:43 PM
    Hahaha right dude if your looking at what happened last year when our entire defense was hurt on top of guys like giroux and hartnell being hurt on top of a short season then that really shows how little knowledge you have when we upgraded at forward d and tending you can easily look at the roster and see how this team is built to win if you don’t believe me u will see in a few weeks when the season starts. Have fun eating those words

    http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/10/flyers-gm-holmgren-cleary-has-no-promises-for-contract/

    • stakex - Oct 21, 2013 at 11:58 AM

      Yeah….. anyone who thought this Flyers team was built to win is delusional. They have a couple good players, but lack a lot of key elements to be a contender (most notably a top flight number one goalie, and a defense that’s at least solid).

      • curioustraveler13 - Oct 21, 2013 at 12:01 PM

        If you actually watched the flyers game you would know that their goalie and defense is the least of their concern. Sure they have the most overpaid D in the league, but that is not why they are losing games. They are losing games because they cant score goals. You can tell me till your blue in the face how much “talent” these forwards have, but their inability to put the puck in the back of the net is why their losing. Watch a game before commenting.

      • lilgurgi - Oct 21, 2013 at 12:04 PM

        2.37 GAA and .923 save percentage…Mason is not the problem. The fact that they are averaging the same amount of goals per game as the Philadelphia Union (maybe less even) is the major issue this season.

      • c9castine - Oct 21, 2013 at 12:43 PM

        really curious traveler? wasnt there some article not long ago about how they have the worse defense since like the 1964 bruins?? id say there management, culture, ownership, coaching, goaltending, defense, offense, and fan base is the problem. the only thing the flyers have going for them is a determination to win, even though they seem to have completely lost their way on how to make that happen in the past few years.

      • curioustraveler13 - Oct 21, 2013 at 12:51 PM

        That was worst offense since the 1964 bruins. Not defense I do agree that their owner, management, culture is a problem. Coaching is hard to judge after so few games. Not sure what the fan base has to do with the on ice problem.

      • joey4id - Oct 21, 2013 at 12:58 PM

        c traveler13, Look! Coburn and Grossman….. Really! Need I say more….

      • withseidelinn - Oct 21, 2013 at 1:01 PM

        Add Meszaros to the list of irrelevant, overpaid D-men

    • ryanrockzzz - Oct 21, 2013 at 2:34 PM

      Although the Flyers are awful, I would say wait longer than 8 games before you call someone out.

      • gregman98 - Oct 21, 2013 at 3:55 PM

        You mean like with what the Failers themeselves didn’t do with coach Laviolette???

        ryanrockzzz – Oct 21, 2013 at 2:34 PM
        Although the Flyers are awful, I would say wait longer than 8 games before you call someone out.

  2. stakex - Oct 21, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    Its funny, the GM has nearly as much control over how well a team plays as the coach. After all they, in most cases, are the one directly responsible for what players end up on the ice… and no matter how good a coach a team has, if they don’t have the right mix of players they won’t be able to win. Yet you very seldom see GM’s fired when a team is playing bad, and even more ironic is that the GM generally gets to fire the coach and blame them.

    Personally I think such a management structure is broken. The GM shouldn’t be able to fire the coach since they all use that power to deflect blame from themselves, and on top of that they should be held just as accountable when a team fails. Far too many terrible GM’s get locked into their jobs for life it seems.

    • joey4id - Oct 21, 2013 at 1:04 PM

      June 23, 2011 “The Philadelphia Flyers hit the reset button on a team only a year removed from a trip to the Stanley Cup finals, dealing forwards Richards and Carter, and signing goaltender Ilya Bryzgalov to a nine-year deal. Gone is Richards, their team captain. Out is Carter, their leading goal scorer.”

      2011 – 2012
      Won Conference Quarterfinals vs. Pittsburgh Penguins, 4–2
      Lost Conference Semifinals vs. New Jersey Devils, 1–4

      2012-2013
      Did not qualify

      How did that work out for Homer?

  3. eagles512 - Oct 21, 2013 at 12:06 PM

    Snider has always given Clarke and Holmgren free rides while firing coaches like its nothing.

  4. hockey412 - Oct 21, 2013 at 12:09 PM

    It’s still crazy to see how a team that clicks in every way two years ago went straight downhill and stayed there. Based on his team, two years ago, and the fans feelings about Paul, if you told me that with basically the same team, two years from now, he’ll be on the hot seat, I wouldn’t have believed it.

    I thought that Philly played great against the Pens and outside of a few really good stops the game could have ended differently very easily.

    Way too many NMC’s, though. Also there are pieces that need to be looked at independently. Giroux’s 3 assists in 8 games isn’t even fourth line production…he’s trying to do WAY too much by himself. I still think they’re going to turn it around – as soon as they straighten out the offense. It should be better than 29th in G/G.

    • hockey412 - Oct 21, 2013 at 12:21 PM

      And for the love of gad, fix the power play. What the ever-loving eff is that.

      • thesportsjudge - Oct 21, 2013 at 2:30 PM

        You kinda get used to a broken PP. Ask any Bruins fan.

    • joey4id - Oct 21, 2013 at 1:05 PM

      They’ve just not been getting better since they traded Richards & Carter and signed a free agent goalie in 2011. What was the name of that goalie again?

  5. chihawkee - Oct 21, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    This is just a view from an outsider of Flyers Nation:

    I don’t think a better season-record at this point would change the percentage of Philly fans wanting him out all too much. If anything, most fans should have wanted him out after trading their captain and an alternative captain to clear room for a massive contract to a goalie. I say this should have been a tipping point since Lavy seemed to treat his goalies as if it was Russian Roulette (almost as much a Keenan seemingly did). Why trade 2 top forwards for a goaltender when the coach throws goalies under the bus?

    Again, that’s just an outside opinion.

    • hockey412 - Oct 21, 2013 at 12:42 PM

      As a Pens fan, I can tell you it was not that way at all – they LOVED Holmgren after that, especially the season they embarassed the Pens in the playoffs.

      They had every reason to, too. It’s mindboggling that was pretty much the same team as this one.

      • c9castine - Oct 21, 2013 at 12:49 PM

        agreed. they thought it was an awesome move and that giroux was gonna somehow replace both of them. sooo many bad moves. JVR another one. bobrovsky. on and on.

      • jpelle82 - Oct 21, 2013 at 2:52 PM

        the jvr for luke schenn still perplexes me. still no explanation why holmgren couldnt work out something to give up read, laughton, couterier instead? jvr was the only proven young kid they had besides giroux and now jvr is outplaying all of them.

  6. crazemastercraze - Oct 21, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    Maybe philly fans aren’t as dumb as we on the outside of the bubble thought

  7. blue21c - Oct 21, 2013 at 12:52 PM

    Just remember those outstanding contracts he handed out to Bryzwasteov and Vinny Laoldfartiier

    • ibieiniid - Oct 21, 2013 at 2:46 PM

      once again, those names are horrible. you’d be far better off calling them their normal names.

  8. sjsharks66 - Oct 21, 2013 at 1:06 PM

    Bryz, jvr, jager and bob are all on upper management. The fact that they don’t see that is scary. They get talent and let it go.

    • DonkeyStick - Oct 21, 2013 at 2:24 PM

      I have no problem with trading JVR for Schenn becasue there was (on paper) enough scoring and no defense. Had to trade bob because of the huge contract to Bryz…..as far as Jager, I have no idea who that is.

  9. sarnold905 - Oct 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM

    this will never change as long as ed snider is stuck in the 70′s…. he still values toughness over skill. just look at his gm and his coach. 2 former flyers tough guys

  10. patthehockeyfan - Oct 21, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    Has anyone noticed that the Flyers’ bad ju-ju started when they traded away Mike Richards and Jeff Carter?

  11. tackledummy1505 - Oct 21, 2013 at 2:45 PM

    all the philadelphia fans already know who their next GM is, it’s Ron Hextall. That’s why we brought him over here from L.A. To wait is ignorance to know the failures that Holmgren has done. Literally everything Holmgren has done has gone from bad to worse. He traded away a Vezina Trophy Goalie away, cause he couldn’t even stand Bryz. He traded our team captain in Mike Richards away because we thought old Pronger was the go to guy and Pronger and Richards didn’t get a long. No one cares about Carter, I still think he makes players around him worse. Still Richards and Carter have a Stanley Cup and Bob is the best goalie in the NHL. Go figure. Still this team has a lot of talent and should be able to put it together. I think they need to make a couple of moves but not too many. Time to get Hextall in there now though

    • DonkeyStick - Oct 21, 2013 at 2:52 PM

      I don’t want ANYONE from the past including Hextall. Bring in fresh young people. That is the problem…they keep rotating “old Flyers” hockey and it’s time to grow up and realize it’s going to be 2014 and it’s not about scary, big, tough teams. Stop living in the past and move on.

      • chihawkee - Oct 21, 2013 at 3:04 PM

        Keep in mind where Hexy just came from. I think he has enough fresh-air in his lungs to breathe new life into the organization.

      • DonkeyStick - Oct 21, 2013 at 3:41 PM

        He was an ASSISTANT GM…..but then again so was Ruben Amaro Jr. When the phillies won the world series. How is that turning out?

      • chihawkee - Oct 21, 2013 at 3:47 PM

        I know he was an Ass. G-Man., Donkey, I just meant he is newly off from a recently good hockey club, and as such has a fresh take on winning.

        I don’t know much more than nothing about the Phillies, sorry.

      • DonkeyStick - Oct 21, 2013 at 4:00 PM

        I hear ya, but don’t think it will work any beter with Hextall as didn’t do much as the assistant. Now let me fill you in on the Phillies…..take all the long, overpaid, not trade clause contracts from Flyers and swap them over to the Phillies.

  12. bluesfan41 - Oct 21, 2013 at 8:30 PM

    This REALLY isn’t hard to figure out, not sure why people don’t see this.

    1. NO goaltender has been good. They have been ok but 15-20 ok so they will be 15 to 20 in the league.

    2. When it happened I said trading away Richards and Carter was a horrible move and they are yet to replace their production. Those guys were SMOKING in Philly and they were then and still now better than any other Flyers player.

    3. Haven’t come close to replacing Pronger. This is a HUGE hole to replace and Pronger really can’t be replaced but you have to get as good as you can. Flyers D is downgraded a whole lot from 3 years ago.

    To the point, its not the front office or coaching staff, its the team they have on the ice. They have worse goaltending now, they lost a HOF player and haven’t gotten a good D man to help, and they traded away 2 50+ point guys they haven’t replaced. They were in a position to rebuild and never did and still think they are contenders. Its just simple logic that they are a non-playoff team with what they have on the ice, they made bad mistakes, maybe change who is making those mistakes and rebuild.

  13. broadstreetbeatdown - Oct 22, 2013 at 1:29 AM

    Ha Ha Ha. Three weeks into the season and the hating crybabies are already out with their thumbs up their a$$es crying about how bad the Flyers suck. Just goes to show that the majority of posters here know jack about professional sports. Maybe you should give it more than 8 games in a frigging 82 game season before jumping to conclusions.

    Lets see, Richards and Carter for Simmonds, Voracek, Schenn, Couts and Grossman? There is not a GM in the league who wouldn’t have made those deals, not a single one. Bob played like crap here (so did Bryz for that matter) simply because some goalies can’t handle the pressure of a big hockey market and both were Vezina calibre tenders in small markets.

    The loss of Pronger was a huge impact that has yet to be remedied with another elite dman. The only bright spot in this season so far has been Mason so far. Take a deep breath and relax fellas, there is still alot of hockey yet to be played and the ship is going to right itself.

  14. kastout11 - Oct 22, 2013 at 9:04 AM

    I don’t like to see people lose their jobs, but the second the Flyers brought in Hextall, you know Homer’s days were numbered. I think if you take that poll in a month (once they start winning, you will see different results. I thnik he is safe, but Hextall will be the GM of the Flyers next year, unless the Flyers in the cup, and at 1-7 I don’t see it.

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