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Oct 21, 2013, 10:15 PM EDT

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So, the battle for supremacy of Cole Harbour, Nova Scotia, never quite panned out between Sidney Crosby and Nathan MacKinnon on Monday.

Their two teams, Crosby’s Pittsburgh Penguins and MacKinnon’s Colorado Avalanche, were embroiled in a low-scoring affair without much in the way of fireworks.

In the end, the Avalanche, thanks to a goal from Gabriel Landeskog, won by a final score of 1-0.

Let’s discuss:

  • This was two points that got away from the Penguins. They outshot the Avalanche 34-14 and went 0-7 on the power play.
  • The two hockey sons of Cole Harbour – Crosby and MacKinnon, playing against each other in the NHL for the first time, didn’t quite produce the magic everyone may have been hoping for. Crosby, the Penguins first-overall pick in the 2005 NHL Draft, had zero points in 22:07 of ice time, while the 18-year-old MacKinnon, the Avalanche’s first-overall pick in this year’s draft, had zero points in 10:07 of ice time.
  • How about the Avalanche? Make that eight wins in their first nine games of the season.
  • Gabriel Landeskog’s goal at 5:26 of the second period stood as the winner. Seconds after getting out of the penalty box, the Avs’ captain found himself in on a two-on-one rush. His off-wing wrist shot beat Marc-Andre Fleury, although it appeared to be deflected.

  1. steelpenbucs87 - Oct 21, 2013 at 10:25 PM

    Great win for the Avs – really like their young talent. Hard team to hate.

    Sometimes you’re going to run into a hot goalie and that happened tonight – Giguere drove a delorean to the game tonight. With that said I would have like to see the pens change their shooting lanes up a bit.

    • c9castine - Oct 21, 2013 at 11:18 PM

      avs got lucky giguere obviously stole the show. pens dominated for 60 minutes. some good powerplays just couldnt get it past him or get a bounce

      • c9castine - Oct 22, 2013 at 12:35 PM

        im not trying to put down the avs but id seriously like anybody to explain to my why they thumbs downed that comment. being outshot 34-14 and knowing the penguins attempted 72 shots and had the Avs pinned in their zone most of the game please tell me how they didnt get lucky to win the game unless you wanna say they didnt get lucky, giguere just played out of his mind, like i said. fleury let up on goal on a weird redirection shot and was otherwise great himself. its luck. it happens..

      • c9castine - Oct 22, 2013 at 1:09 PM

        avs attempted 29 shots. 72-29 in attempts. less than the pens actually got on goal. this game wasnt even close. like i said im not upset about it or trying to put the avs down but dont tell me they didnt get lucky.

      • c9castine - Oct 22, 2013 at 2:12 PM

        “I had some flex on my stick, and I guess [Orpik] screened Fleury a little bit,” Landeskog said.
        “I was lucky a little bit that it went in.”

    • joey4id - Oct 22, 2013 at 7:58 AM

      Calling it a great win is an over statement. But! They were dominated by the Pens, and if not for Giguere’s brilliant performance they would not have stole 2 pts.

      • steelpenbucs87 - Oct 22, 2013 at 10:43 AM

        I meant more by virtue of the fact that they won a game that they may not have without an incredible performance by Jiggy, but yeah that’s bad wording on my part.

    • hockey412 - Oct 22, 2013 at 8:21 AM

      I agree – it’s tough to be upset about that game as a Pens fan. I’d agree with the shooting lane comment. I’d also add that by looking at the shot report, they need more shots when the 3rd and 4th lines are on the ice in a game like that. There were 34 shots, and only 3 came from the 3rd and 4th lines. I understand that is not typically their role, but you can’t just burn a minute of ice time when they are on the ice in those games.

      Shots from the point would also help. Only 5 shots from the point (3 of those from Maatta). If the goalie can stop everything he sees, get bodies in front and don’t let him see.

      In general, the Pens are a great team but have always lacked the ability to adjust – whether it be in a game like this or even in a playoff series…but damn it was entertaining. Great game Avs!

      • laxman1944 - Oct 22, 2013 at 9:14 AM

        Watched the game last night and …….Sid looks like a man on a mission

  2. laxman1944 - Oct 21, 2013 at 10:26 PM


    Come on now it’s only a game.


  3. pitpenguinsrulez - Oct 21, 2013 at 10:26 PM

    Giguere stole this game…without him in net I don’t think we go 0-7 on the powerplay…but that’s hard to say. Sure we had our opportunities to score but we go for the fancy goal one too many times. If they just shoot the puck and went for the rebounds they’d probably score more on the man advantage. A dirty goal is still as good as a fancy goal. Well come back ready on Friday night vs the Isles. …But remember the Flyers are STILL LAST! Have You Ever Seen The Flyers Win The Cup?

    • laxman1944 - Oct 21, 2013 at 11:00 PM

      Lost to Colorado yet …….you chose to comment on the hockey team…

      Odd ………….yes?……

      • laxman1944 - Oct 21, 2013 at 11:03 PM

        Sorry meant …..”Flyers suck ” reply

      • pitpenguinsrulez - Oct 21, 2013 at 11:46 PM

        Funny how you stereotype all penguin fans…as people who will comment on a pens article only if they win a game but wont when they lose? Funny how aside from Stiller43 and Curioustravelor13, the usual Penguins fans like myself, Chance, and others etc are all on here commenting….AND THATS EVEN AFTER A LOSS!

      • broadstreetsbaddest88 - Oct 22, 2013 at 2:09 AM

        Your the reason pens fans get labeled the way they do. You know zero about hockey and only talk sh*t when ya post. Notice how there’s not a bunch of flyers fans on here trashin ya that the pens got shut out. But anytime there’s a article about the flyers your immediately on there postin first. The stereo type gets removed once you and the rest of the pens fans that troll prove that your a real fan and actually know Hockey.

      • mp1131211 - Oct 22, 2013 at 2:35 AM

        What the hell is wrong with you two?

      • aso513 - Oct 22, 2013 at 8:18 AM


      • c9castine - Oct 22, 2013 at 1:01 PM

        broadstreet says “notice how theres not a bunch of flyers fans on here trashing you” as he trashes us. idiot.

    • cshei0405 - Oct 22, 2013 at 12:22 PM

      Sure you got your opportunities to score but Giggy denied those opportunities. Fancy goal or not, your team got shut out!

  4. shamu1the1whale - Oct 21, 2013 at 10:29 PM

    That Av’s goalie tonight was like the ghost of Tukka Rask coming back just in time for Halloween. Tnite’s game reminded me of how the Pens played against Tukka & the B’s last postseason: so many shots taken but none made it in.

    • jpelle82 - Oct 22, 2013 at 9:28 AM

      av’s were just getting shelled all night, the pens were shooting from everywhere and anywhere. i havent seen such a lopsided game go the other way in a long time. 34 shots on net, 22 blocks, who knows how many missed shots, zone time was 3 to 1 in the pens favor, 0-7 on the pp….just crazy numbers for a losing effort. kudos to giguere, i can see now why they’re 8-1 but i dont see how they can keep up that kind of effort and be successful as the season wears on.

      • shamu1the1whale - Oct 22, 2013 at 2:51 PM

        the 0-7 on the pp was just, well…. i mean, who gets 7 pp chances and blows them all?

  5. antmel30 - Oct 21, 2013 at 10:30 PM

    Little embarrassed for pens fans the gm was on most of east coast with a first place team and saw a lot of empty seats looked very empty all around support your team pitt

    • c9castine - Oct 21, 2013 at 11:15 PM

      what are you talking about.

    • jaybaileys - Oct 22, 2013 at 9:47 AM

      Yea Pens fans suck, theyve only sold out 290+ games in a row and have over 3000 people on their season ticket waiting list.

    • steelpenbucs87 - Oct 22, 2013 at 10:44 AM

      Don’t forget that most of those sweeping wide angle shots usually happen going into and out of commercial breaks (when people decide to go to the bathroom, etc.). I can promise you the arena was packed.

  6. steelers88 - Oct 21, 2013 at 10:32 PM

    This loss sucks! The Penguins should have won this game they throughly dominated the Avalanche but they just couldn’t score give credit to Giguere and the Colorado defense. I really don’t think the Avalanche cam keep this up however from what I saw tonight I really wasn’t impressed by the Avalanche they really looked overmatched by the Penguins kept them in the game. I don’t think Giguere or Varmalov can keep this up.

    • mp1131211 - Oct 22, 2013 at 2:38 AM

      They don’t have to keep this up in order to do well this year. They are 8 and 1. Few teams keep that up. They just have to keep the lows from getting too low and capitalize on the momentum from the highs. There’s new life here. Its awesome!

    • micasa81 - Oct 22, 2013 at 7:10 AM

      Do you recall that the pens themselves were handily outshot the game before this? Fleury was the main reason they won, but since he’s a penguin, that’s a legit win. Same thing here with Giguere. Just like last game, the team that deserved to win, did.

  7. pitpenguinsrulez - Oct 21, 2013 at 10:33 PM

    @antmel30 …funny how we have a sellout streak thats coming up pretty close to 300 games.

    • macgrubie - Oct 22, 2013 at 11:24 AM

      incredible turn around from almost bankruptcy to selling out.

  8. steelers88 - Oct 21, 2013 at 10:36 PM

    The reason why there was empty is because A. It’s a school night and people have work tomorrow. B. It’s a west coast team and it’s the Avalanche. C. It’s early in the season the games really don’t mean much. D. The ticket prices are insane!

    • stakex - Oct 21, 2013 at 10:54 PM

      When it comes to big market teams, those things never play a factor because the demand for tickets is so high. Though the building didn’t really seem to be empty to me. I mean there are always a few empty seats no matter what.

    • chanceoffleury1 - Oct 21, 2013 at 11:27 PM

      For the product the Pens continuously put on the ice the seats are actually one of the better deals in the NHL. Compared to the days when my dad got 2 of them for free at the blood drive they’re expensive, but I sat about 20 rows off the ice tonight and the tickets were about $100 each. Add in food and a beer and it was about $125/person. And I park in the Consol Lower Lot for $7.25 in the morning and just stay until the game so that saves me about $26. But you can park for free even if you can’t do that if you don’t mind a little bit of a walk and a slight adrenaline rush from walking in the Hill District at 10:30 pm. Not that bad compared to what I hear some people pay in places like Toronto…..

      • pitpenguinsrulez - Oct 21, 2013 at 11:39 PM

        Screw that park on 2nd Avenue by the County Jail where its free. Theres a parking lot across the Armstrong Tunnels that is always opened. That’s were my dad and I have parked at since Consol Opened in 2010. Before Consol opened we always parked at the garage next to the old hospital where Consol sits at now.

    • broadstreetsbaddest88 - Oct 22, 2013 at 1:55 AM

      Are you really tryin to use that excuse that the reason there was alot of empty seats was cause it was a school night and people have work? That’s the lamest excuse I’ve ever heard. 90% of the games are during the week when people have work ans school but somehow all the major hockey markets still sellout games especially for a hot team like the avs. And that 290 consecutive sellout streak has been showed tonight and all other games that it’s completely false and is a rigged statistic to promote to try and sell games to smaller market teams. Franchises have been doin it for years. The flyers still sellout for even panthers games with our team as bad as it is

      • dchambers144 - Oct 22, 2013 at 6:59 AM

        It’s not rigged. The tickets are actually sold and sometimes people choose not to show up and don’t sell or give away their tickets. The same thing happens at Steelers’ games, particularly late in the season if they are out of the playoffs. Theoretically, the game could be sold out yet no people in the seats.

      • aso513 - Oct 22, 2013 at 8:23 AM

        Again with this nonsense from you, I live in Philly and have attended games with buddies. The Panthers game, the only one the Flyers have won this year, had plenty of empty seats. Why do you comment on this stuff? You are a dope and think the Flyers can do no wrong. Your ignorance knows no end. The Flyers are an irrelevant franchise to anyone outside of Philadelphia, I hope you know that.

      • broadstreetsbaddest88 - Oct 22, 2013 at 9:30 AM

        Says the guy who not only cared enough about what I had to say but comment as well. I’d say the only one with ignorance in there post was you. And I’m a season ticket holder and was at that game there wasn’t plenty of open seats. Nexts time try knowing what the word ignorant means before using it let alone displaying it after calling someone it you moron

      • aso513 - Oct 22, 2013 at 10:17 AM

        I was there pal, there were plenty of open seats. They couldn’t give tickets away at my work.

      • aso513 - Oct 22, 2013 at 10:24 AM

        End of the day your team is awful and in position to be that way for awhile. Enjoy last place troll.

      • mmmpierogi - Oct 23, 2013 at 11:58 PM

        “The flyers still sellout for even panthers games with our team as bad as it is”

        Why is that surprising. Philly metro is almost 6 million people (4th or 5th largest market in the NHL). Given that they put a routinely competitive product on the ice, they could be the worst team in the NHL in any given year and should still be selling out even training camp practice sessions just because of sheer population size.

    • jaybaileys - Oct 22, 2013 at 9:50 AM

      Ive been to 3 games already this year. Took my son to the opener for like 50 bucks each, also took him to the Edmonton game for 31 a piece. There are deals out there you just have to look.

  9. steelers88 - Oct 21, 2013 at 10:44 PM

    Yeah it is funny how the Penguins have sold-out every game since the 2006-2007 season. It looked pretty full to me. Did you watch the game at the end?

  10. pitpenguinsrulez - Oct 21, 2013 at 10:45 PM

    @steelers88 tickets are not that insanely priced…just look at ticketexchange. Tho I’ve only spent $200 for tickets between the three games I’ve been to thus far this season.

  11. steelers88 - Oct 21, 2013 at 10:49 PM

    But it’s still one of the pricer tickets in the NHL.

  12. cmpuck - Oct 21, 2013 at 10:52 PM

    Nice win for the Avs. Although it sounds like Giggy stole the show tonight, gotta love what Patrick Roy is doing so far with that club.

    • jernster21 - Oct 22, 2013 at 12:39 AM

      Not enough credit going to the rest of the team during these shutouts/close wins. The PK was epic, killing every power play opportunity with all the fire power the Penguins have. While Jiggy was the star of the game for the Avs, it was another team win for the Avs to pull out a shutout against a real good team. Not much ice time for MacK, but it looked like Bylsma was trying to match up Crosby’s line against them whenever they were on the ice – good coaching by Bylsma, even better by Roy to recognize the mismatch and limit the ice time in favor of better defending forwards to pull out the W.

  13. avfanforlife - Oct 21, 2013 at 10:58 PM

    “Maybe these AVs are actually the real deal”, said every fan from other teams who have been dissin the Avalanche and their coach all season long.
    What does it take to make believers out of you? 5 – 0 on the road now against hard teams to play against. 8-1 to start the season. Jiggy w 2 shutouts. Roy is the coach the Av’s have needed for several years now. Give serious thanks to Allaire for whatever he is feeding our goaltenders… AV’s are back baby! (ooooh – it’s early – waahhh)

    • andidee15 - Oct 22, 2013 at 12:46 AM

      Let’s not be too hasty. Our goaltending has won us games, but our defense still is iffy. We did block a lot of shots tonight, but that means that the other team had the puck the majority of the time. The fact that we took 7 penalties also shows that we were undisciplined, and there were definitely times where we looked downright panicked in our own zone.

      We’re winning, but as much as I love this team and want to see them do well, I don’t think that we’re quite as good as we appear. I still think we’ll make the playoffs in some fashion though, which is a big step up from where everyone predicted us to be at the beginning of the year.

      We’re on the right track, but we aren’t there yet.

      • jernster21 - Oct 22, 2013 at 1:10 AM

        You don’t get shutout wins with “iffy” defense.

        “You have to give them credit,” Pittsburgh coach Dan Bylsma said. “They had more than Giguere get in the way tonight.”

        That tells the story.

      • avscup - Oct 22, 2013 at 9:09 AM

        I agree with you’re comments but the AVS had some decent chances. Fleury made some great saves too or it could have been 3-0!

        The Avs are simply out working most teams they face and effort beats talent on a lot of nights. We have played some very solid team D as evidenced by the shots against/GAA ratios. This will not continue unless we start getting more balanced. We are spending way too much time in our zone.

        Great win tonight though. Winning ugly beats any kind of loss.

  14. caniac4ever - Oct 21, 2013 at 11:03 PM

    Pierre McGuire sucks!

    • pitpenguinsrulez - Oct 21, 2013 at 11:41 PM

      You must like that he sucks

  15. hazlydose - Oct 21, 2013 at 11:40 PM

    Pens dominated the flow of play and Giguere played out of his mind. I am a little upset at both Bylsma and the players for not simplifying the game when it was clear the pretty cross ice saucer passing plays weren’t working. I would have liked to see someone with the heel of their skates on the edge of the blue paint.

  16. chanceoffleury1 - Oct 21, 2013 at 11:44 PM

    This was the first time the Pens really played a *good* team this season so I thought they looked a little overwhelmed. The powerplay was depressing to watch all night, but MAF still looked great as did the rest of the team defense. They had a few good scoring chances but just couldn’t get a break. IMO it was the first game where I found myself noticing how much the Pens really miss Neal and Letang. The D was struggling to create offensive chances and Malkin and Crosby were often trying to do too much especially on the powerplay. The Pens didn’t look horrible, they just really didn’t look that good either. They were pretty average.

    • aso513 - Oct 22, 2013 at 8:27 AM

      In a game where they dominated possession and outshot the Avs 34-14, I find it weird that someone can say the Pens looked overwhelmed. But the point about Neal and Letang is well taken, if you add Neal and Beau the lines are much more balanced and will lead to more offense throughout the lineup. Sutter needs someone with some skill on his wing and tonight he just didn’t have it.

      • aso513 - Oct 22, 2013 at 8:30 AM

        Also the team that was overwhelmed tonight attempted 72 shots compared to Colorado’s 29.

    • joey4id - Oct 22, 2013 at 9:13 AM

      chance, I’m surprised by your assessment of the Pens PP. You’re usually bang on with your analytical comments. Beside putting the puck in the net what else can they have done? They controlled the puck well and had good scoring chances. A former NHL coach, after a loss such as this, said off the record, “you can’t win them all”. You’re about te transition game though. It’s just not the same without Letang, and the Pens miss Neal’s big body presence around the net.

      • chanceoffleury1 - Oct 22, 2013 at 7:23 PM

        By “depressing” I mean the fact that they couldn’t capitalize on any of the 7 chances. I was on the edge of my seat waiting for that moment all night and it never happened.

  17. thompson1969 - Oct 22, 2013 at 7:44 AM

    How surprised are you guys that this game had one goal scored and that the San Jose-Detroit game had only one goal (and that was in the shootout)? Each game had an over-under of 5.5 and the combined scoring didn’t even cover half of one of the over-unders. I guess the offensive fireworks will have to wait for another day. Great games to watch (especially with a terrible MNF game on tonight).

    • joey4id - Oct 22, 2013 at 8:16 AM

      Though few goals were scored the more entertaining game was the Pens/Avs. The Sharks/Wings game was a little slower and there appeared to be fewer scoring chances from close in. The wings clogged up the center of the ice and didn’t give up many odd man rushes. It was a typical surgical like defensive game by the Wings.

  18. Plumber 65 - Oct 22, 2013 at 7:58 AM

    Bottom line is pen fans, jiggy stole the game tonight and yes it was a school night. Awwww the kids aren’t here to see it:( better luck next time. Go Avs

  19. joey4id - Oct 22, 2013 at 8:09 AM

    who gives a hoot about the attendance? It was a very face paced game from a punch of talented players. No one in the game can pass the puck like Crosby. He is just as exciting to watch than any other great player we’ve seen in the last couple of decades…. Good for the Avs to steal 2 pts in Pit, and nothing to get concerned about for the Pens.

    BTW, did you all see that set play for Pit’s D zone off the face off? Crosby wins the face off, the d man passes the puck to Dupuis, during that time Kunitz heads to the bench going in the near door, and Malkin goes out the far door. Be comes out behind the Avs D men, and bang! Dupuis hits him with a pass. Too bad he had trouble controlling the puck, but the play ended with a shot on net anyway. A thing of beauty.

    • avscup - Oct 22, 2013 at 9:12 AM

      The save was the thing of beauty! Way to go Giggy.

      • joey4id - Oct 22, 2013 at 9:48 AM

        Well! Certainly not the best save of the night. It was a shot directly in the bread basket. Move on!

  20. curioustraveler13 - Oct 22, 2013 at 9:00 AM

    Great Game. That was the most entertaining 1-0 game i have seen in a long time. The pens attempted 72 shots on net and ran into a hot goaltender. I really enjoy playing against these west coast teams. Edmonton, Vancouver, and Colorado all were good fast paced games.It looks like the pens wont be going 81-1 this year though. Heads up pens fans at least were not flyer fans. Their highlight this year will be cheering for every team to beat the pens on a night in night out basis. Some serious butt hurt fans over there. Go tote your attendance record to Gary and see if hell give you a stanley cup out of pity.

    • joey4id - Oct 22, 2013 at 9:15 AM

      Sarcasm alert! How can that be? There were no fights. Fighting is part of te game and when there are none it’s just not a complete game. Right? :-)

  21. c1md6 - Oct 22, 2013 at 10:27 AM

    HAHAHA even with the help of the refs with practically double the power plays the princesses could break through. Wasn’t this the team the “loyal” Pens fans were declaring champions 8 games into the season? Time to hit the drawing board. “We’ve sold out seats since 06′”. Oh you mean your “loyal” fan base didn’t support the team until after you drafted Crosby, ah got ya, you guys define loyalty.

    • curioustraveler13 - Oct 22, 2013 at 10:51 AM

      A goalie has more goals then your “captain” hahahaha. 1-7 haha. I love you flyer fans. Seriously a goalie. Biggest joke in the NHL. Every time I see you post I smile, because I know at least I’m not a flyer fan.

    • steelpenbucs87 - Oct 22, 2013 at 10:57 AM

      Well, the calls last night were legitimate – multiple bench minors, as well as other clear cut obstruction penalties – I think most Avs fans would agree that this wasn’t the tightest game their team had played.

      I don’t think anyone was declaring the Pens champs after 8 games. In fact, I defy to show one example of that.

      Also, given the success of the team so far, I don’t think they need to “hit the drawing board” as you put it. They’re playing great hockey and are going to be getting back a Norris trophy candidate, and a 30 goal scorer in the next couple of weeks as well.

      As for you questioning the fans loyalty…. eh, I don’t really care frankly. I’ve been rooting for this team since I was eight, and have sat through the good days of Jagr, Lemieux, Francis, etc. and the bad of Rico Fata and company, and then back to the good with the current iteration of the team. When other people decided to buy tickets/jerseys is of no consequence to me. There’s always been a contingent of loyal pens fans, but as this case with every team, casual fans will get swept up when the team is doing well. For now, I’m excited to watch the team I have loved for years, featuring the best player in the league, playing great hockey.

      • govtminion - Oct 22, 2013 at 11:17 AM

        Oh man… a Rico Fata reference! You just made my morning, I haven’t seen that name in years. I remember him breaking in with the Avs years ago… other than a name designed for late-night Cinemax movies, he had nothing going for him.

  22. jernster21 - Oct 22, 2013 at 11:17 AM

    For those talking about attendance last night:

    Arena: CONSOL Energy Center
    Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
    Referees: Ghislain Hebert, Brad Meier
    Linesmen: Mike Cvik, Scott Driscoll
    Attendance: 18,606 (102.9% full)

    Paid attendance and those who actually show up are different though.

  23. steelers88 - Oct 22, 2013 at 3:24 PM

    The Penguins are defiantly a Stanley Cup team this year their defense is really solid and Fleury seems to be back. For the Penguins to lose to anyone it’s going to take a performance like Tukka Rask had last year Gigeure had last night otherwise the Penguins are going to beat you.

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