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Philadelphia’s offense is historically bad

Oct 18, 2013, 10:01 AM EDT

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The start of the season for the Philadelphia Flyers has been less-than great. They’re currently 1-7-0 with just two points, fewest in the league. Their offense isn’t getting things done and it’s happening at a historically bad rate.

Sam Carchidi of the Philadelphia Inquirer shares a brutal factoid for Flyers fans to revel in about their miserable start.

Thursday’s 4-1 loss to visiting Pittsburgh marked the eighth straight time they had failed to score more than two goals since the season started. That’s the first time that has happened since 1964, when the Boston Bruins did it in the first nine games, according to the Elias Sports Bureau.

Even the Buffalo Sabres and New Jersey Devils aren’t having that much trouble scoring goals in bunches this season.

The Flyers have just two players who have more than one goal scored this season (Tye McGinn, Brayden Schenn) and just eight players in all who have even scored a goal at all. Oddly enough, both the Devils and Sabres also have just eight goal-scorers on the season.

Perhaps what they say about bad news coming in threes is true.

  1. ibieiniid - Oct 18, 2013 at 10:06 AM

    hey, great article. us Flyers fans really needed this one…. especially the headline. thanks a lot, Yerdon.

    • yougotgirouxed - Oct 18, 2013 at 11:28 AM

      I was at the game last night. What is most depressing is seeing the Flyers get outworked. Many times we have been a less talented team, but we made people pay the price for playing against us, especially in our building. They have looked many times this season like they don’t care.

      The positives are that Raffl looks good and the 4th line plays hard every shifts. However, that magnifies the negatives of the top 2 scoring lines, especially the Giroux line, look horrible.

      • cantstandstupid - Oct 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM

        I am one of the many unfortunate season ticket holders who thought we were paying to watch a team that wants to win the Stanley Cup, but we all are quickly realizing they have little to no chance at that unless they change things around immediately. I was also there last night for that sh*t show. I also think Raffl looks good and deserves to play more once Lacavalier and Hartnell get healthy. I have to disagree with you about the 4th line though. Rinaldo always seems to give 110% and Adam Hall is on the team for PKs I guess (did you see his pathetic penalty shot attempt…can you say stone hands?), but Newberry/Rosehill are a waste of space. The way I see it is that most 4th liners get 8-10 minutes on average in a game. So you are basically laying down for 10 minutes out of every game knowing there is little to no chance they will score a goal. It would be a different story if they were a checking line like when it was Couts, Talbot and Rinaldo. They could actually generate offense, while being sound defensively. It infuriates me seeing the 4th line out on the ice after the other team scores or when they have an offensive zone face-off. Not like they can win a face-off in general, but if they miraculously do, 3 non-offensive players aren’t going to get the job done. I can go on and on about this, but I’m sure everyone else see the same crap that I see. They all just need to show some heart out there. Chief needs to start benching people who aren’t producing and let some young guys get some experience. Maybe there’s a diamond in the rough.

  2. anthonykornheiser - Oct 18, 2013 at 10:07 AM

    This is unreal. For the past three years all we have been hearing is how incredible everyone is and top to bottom budding superstars. “couts” claude being better than sid ( not a pens fan) but they arent even on the same stratosphere, read, schenn etc etc.
    They are so overhyped it’s incredible. They have a few good players and a lot of third line players. Face facts.

  3. ntvd7 - Oct 18, 2013 at 10:14 AM

    What’s up with Giroux?

    He was killing it until he got that “C” on his sweater

    • whiskytango333 - Oct 18, 2013 at 10:35 AM

      …and that big fat contract. Oh, the other problem is that he doesn’t have one of the greatest players to ever play the game on his wing anymore.

    • islesjb - Oct 18, 2013 at 10:38 AM

      Tavares > Giroux 😉

  4. girouxed - Oct 18, 2013 at 10:15 AM

    This is getting a little out of hand. Trying to stir people up now.

    Theres plenty of other teams, plenty of other stories. We all know Philly is in bad shape. Were back in a week, see ya then.

    • storminator16 - Oct 18, 2013 at 10:29 AM


      • girouxed - Oct 18, 2013 at 10:36 AM

        yea “haha” very funny

    • jpelle82 - Oct 18, 2013 at 11:07 AM

      hey its nbc, snider’s best friend, what do you expect?

  5. travishenryskid - Oct 18, 2013 at 10:17 AM

    Dead puck era 2.0

  6. whiskytango333 - Oct 18, 2013 at 10:33 AM

    At what point do Flyers fans call for Holmgren’s scalp? All those long contracts with no trade clauses? If I’m a a Flyers fan, the contract situation makes me want to cry with the “talent” Holmgren has assembled and locked up for many years.

    • macgrubie - Oct 18, 2013 at 10:39 AM

      I think people are calling for it. They just don’t care what we say

  7. flyinhighwithvick - Oct 18, 2013 at 10:40 AM

    I’ve always been an Ed Snider fan, and I know that nobody wants to win more than him. However, he’s turned into the Al Davis of the NHL. His way of doing things just no longer works, and the sooner he realizes that, the better.

  8. pitpenguinsrulez - Oct 18, 2013 at 10:44 AM

    Claude Giroux “The One Season Wonder” …but he’s still the BEST in the league per a fired coach and Sam Carchidi…remember that!

    • m1k3g - Oct 18, 2013 at 11:03 AM

      Didn’t the Whore from Kladno say he was as good as Crosby too?

    • ibieiniid - Oct 18, 2013 at 11:08 AM

      well… he had TWO great seasons. but I don’t see how you thinking he’ll never have another good season is any more informed than when those guys called him the best.

      • killerpgh - Oct 18, 2013 at 11:18 AM

        “Two great season”? He has finished 1 time in his career with a point per game above 1.00 for the regular season. Let’s not get carried away with the term “great season”.

      • ibieiniid - Oct 18, 2013 at 11:21 AM

        76 in 82g is pretty great…. especially when you’re also +20 and over a point per game in the playoffs

      • curioustraveler13 - Oct 18, 2013 at 11:43 AM

        That’s not pretty great. That’s pretty good. Pretty great would be 120 points in 79 games, or 109 points in 81 games, or 56 points in 36 games. All those stats I just mentioned were all Crosby. That’s what pretty great looks like. Crosby and giroux aren’t even in the same stratosphere.

      • ibieiniid - Oct 18, 2013 at 12:28 PM

        ok I’m not Lavy. I’m saying great, not greatest in the world. Giroux has had two great seasons. I know it’s hate-on-the-Flyers month on PHT but you can’t say that wasn’t a great season, especially for how new G was to the league at that point.

      • curioustraveler13 - Oct 18, 2013 at 12:34 PM

        Again good not great. Crosby’s rookie year he put up 109 points in 81 games. That’s great. Giroux putting up 76 points in 82 games his third year in the league is good. Philly has a way of over hyping players.

      • ibieiniid - Oct 18, 2013 at 12:38 PM

        holy f*** you’re argumentative.

      • curioustraveler13 - Oct 18, 2013 at 12:43 PM

        Hahaha I’m sorry. I might be enjoying this a little too much.

      • ibieiniid - Oct 18, 2013 at 12:48 PM

        ya think?

      • laxman1944 - Oct 18, 2013 at 6:20 PM

        Curious………be truthful ………..are you sitting outside Sidney’s house now??????

  9. buddysguys - Oct 18, 2013 at 10:52 AM

    where’s flyerguy?????? too busy reading other teams articles and posting stupid remarks to comment on his own team sucking???


  10. chip56 - Oct 18, 2013 at 10:53 AM

    Cheer up Philly fans – your team still has more wins than the Devils.

  11. theageofquarrel - Oct 18, 2013 at 10:56 AM


    • ibieiniid - Oct 18, 2013 at 11:10 AM

      good input dickhead.

      • theageofquarrel - Oct 18, 2013 at 11:50 AM

        But your input is to insult. Typical Philly.

      • ibieiniid - Oct 18, 2013 at 12:26 PM

        uh, my input is all over PHT, guy.

  12. whammy87 - Oct 18, 2013 at 11:18 AM

    this couldn’t be happening to a better team or fan base. you are all scumbags!

    btw, crosby is on pace for 164 points….what fraud gayroix on pace for? WHAMMY!

    • ibieiniid - Oct 18, 2013 at 11:22 AM

      lol Whammy calling somebody other than himself a scumbag…. rich.

      • whammy71 - Oct 18, 2013 at 11:42 AM

        whammy87 and whammy71 are not the same person. I can vouch for that!

        But the Flyers still suck. They’re a complete mess. They played for about 12 to 15 minutes last night. The rest of the evening….they were simply going through the motions.

        I’m not here to thump my chest as a Pens fan. Last year taught me some lessons. The Pens are built for a Cup….so anything less is a failure. Sid can score a gazillion points….but it doesn’t matter unless his team is the last team standing.

        IMHO – Pens still have some issues.
        1. They’ve only been playing a defensive style for 7 games…it could wear off.
        2. They don’t have a true veteran leader. Sid may be the best player in the game on the ice. But I think he sucks as a leader. The implosions in the post-season prove my point.
        3. MAF – great in the regular season….mental midget in the playoffs.
        4. No back-up goalie if MAF goes south and Pens only have $100k in cap space.

        It’ll be interesting to see how the season plays out for the flightless birds.

    • laxman1944 - Oct 18, 2013 at 6:22 PM


    • blackandorangeforlife - Oct 18, 2013 at 10:19 PM

      Last time i checked Sid was on that pace a few times….And if remember correctly he has never hit more than 120 +/- 2 or 3

  13. Sport Follower - Oct 18, 2013 at 11:19 AM

    We can take the conclusion that the problem wasn’t the head coach, because the new coach doesn’t improve anything. The players aren’t good enough or they just lost motivation.

    • killerpgh - Oct 18, 2013 at 11:48 AM

      I don’t think many people thought Peter L was the problem. Although the hope was a coaching change could be the solution. It’s easier to replace the coaching staff than it is the team. The part I don’t understand is why Berube wasn’t made an interim head coach instead of just giving a multiple year contract.

      • blackandorangeforlife - Oct 18, 2013 at 10:23 PM

        Coaches are not like players…..While they have a contract it is not “Guaranteed” in any way shape or form!

  14. toddhampton1 - Oct 18, 2013 at 11:45 AM

    We finally get stable goaltending but at the cost of low scoring talent pool with not trade clauses. We did not need to replace on problem with the same problem. Holmgren and Snider should be ashamed at what they have done the last few seasons to put this team into such a poor showing. It makes me even more mad when they blame a coach for not turning a class B chemistry players into a class A chemistry team. Well no we have proof that it is the team chemistry that sucks not the coach. You have backed yourselves into a corner boys. It is time to unload some of the overpriced talent to find some supporting cast members for your core group. Oh yeah… why is over half the salary cap hit in our defense not our offense? why are there more millionaires on defense than offense? Well as a fan of 30+ years, i am very upset over where we have come to… stuck in bad contracts. let’s hope the cap increase will give us wiggle room to do nothing.

  15. nj666 - Oct 18, 2013 at 1:04 PM

    Flyers fans and devils fans have a lot in common.. we ought to get together have lunch some time…

  16. antmel30 - Oct 18, 2013 at 3:16 PM

    To all the people talking about gods and great as compared to giroux and Crosby. You then can say Crosby career so far has been good not great. One Stanley cup with the talent around him and multiple playoff failures. Great would be Gretzky Lemieux jägr messier broduer Stevens and so on. All multiple Stanley cups two or more with a great success rate in playoffs along with the stats. Yes Crosby has a gold medal but to only have one Stanley cup with the talent around him and if he were to finish with one I would say his career is disappointment. Look at toews and Kane or daystyuk an zetterberg all multiple cups with talent around them. Giroux didn’t come in league nearly as hyped as Crosby and he was a 20 th pick in 1 st rd. there is no comparison to them Crosby is better hands down but to call Crosby great is also over exaggerating compared to his peers and past legends of the gm. He has to win another championship just like Lebron he had to win second to stake his claim to greatness. Crosby has enough talent around him no reason he doesn’t have multiple championships. If he finishes career with 1 with his team he is then good not great and will fall under good until he does so.

    • curioustraveler13 - Oct 18, 2013 at 3:31 PM

      He’s 26 and he’s been to the Stanley cup finals 2 times. Eastern conference finals 3 times and had countless individual awards. A lot has to go right to win a Stanley cup. Ask Philadelphia. Mario only had 2 cups and he’s one of the greatest of all time. Does 1 Stanley cup really make that big of a difference seeing as he is still only 26. Pull your head out of your ass man and just recognize. Crosby is great.

    • curioustraveler13 - Oct 18, 2013 at 3:49 PM

      Also Bryan Trottier has his name on the cup 12 times. Is he six times a better hockey player then mario was?

    • laxman1944 - Oct 18, 2013 at 6:30 PM

      Be careful……you’ll make Curios stalk you

      Just like he stalks Sidney…..

      Hey Curios, remember you must be at least 500 feet away from Mr. Crosby as per court order.

      • curioustraveler13 - Oct 18, 2013 at 7:22 PM

        Haha in one post you call me classless, and now you stoop to personal attacks, because you have no facts or any input to add at all. You sir are a true Philadelphia flyer fan. I love how jammed up you guys get after losing. Get ready for the playoffs by buying whatever team the pens play apparel. That’s the only real chance you’ll have at joy this season.

      • laxman1944 - Oct 19, 2013 at 11:30 AM

        You are classless Curious……….embrace it and enjoy.

        Now go ahead and eat Sid’s jock

  17. pitpenguinsrulez - Oct 18, 2013 at 3:46 PM

    @Antmel30 well then where does Ray Borque stand in your books? Or Brett Hull or Mike Modano?

  18. jacketsfan7 - Oct 18, 2013 at 4:39 PM

    Being a pens fan I’d like to see the flyers step up there game , I want some competition , I love this rivalry and right now I feel bad for the flyers fans

    • thephillyfanclub - Oct 19, 2013 at 1:02 AM

      WOW, a decent pens fan, I can finally rest, there is hope, thanks man I appreciate it, right now we totally blow, that game was an embarrassment, I’ve never seen the penguins dominate us like that, it made me sick, the part that sucks is we have always had great games no matter the difference in talent on the roster dating back to the 80’s. guess not this year, Homer has to go, now. For the record I hate Crosby, but the guy is unfortunately for me and the rest of flyersdom, the best hockey player on earth. Hopefully we can pull out of this one and make a rivalry out of it.

  19. hines86for6 - Oct 18, 2013 at 6:29 PM

    surprised not to see any Weber complaining from Flyers fan in this thread.

    “But, but, but if that small market team would have just accepted our will, we wouldn’t suck like we do. It’s not fair!!!”

  20. flyerguy73 - Oct 20, 2013 at 8:18 PM

    You guys are funny.

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