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Pavelski on Lapierre: ‘Things like that happen, especially when idiots are idiots’

Oct 16, 2013, 9:18 AM EDT

Maxim Lapierre AP

To say the San Jose Sharks were upset about St. Louis’ Maxim Lapierre hitting Sharks defenseman Dan Boyle from behind and injuring him would be understating the issue.

One player who had harsh words for Lapierre following the Sharks’ 6-2 win over the Blues was Joe Pavelski as Kevin Kurz of CSNBayArea.com shares.

“Things like that happen, especially when idiots are idiots,” Joe Pavelski said. “Dan’s a world-class defenseman, there’s straight numbers (from behind) – there’s guys in this league that will target that. It doesn’t matter. They just go. It sucks.”

It’s expected the league will take some kind of action against Lapierre for the hit. His history against the Sharks is something some current players are familiar with as he was suspended for four games back in 2010 for a late hit on then San Jose forward Scott Nichol while with Montreal.

Logan Couture was aware of Lapierre’s past and was even tougher in his assessment of him. More from Kurz:

“A player that probably shouldn’t even be in the league is taking out one of the best players in the world. That guy’s got a history. After the first shift, he’s yelling at us from their bench that he’s coming after us, and then he does that. I don’t even know. It’s pretty gutless. Then he turtles. Be a man if you make a hit like that. Don’t turtle and run behind the linesman.”

Boyle was sent to the hospital for treatment and tells ESPN.com’s Pierre LeBrun he’s going to be OK.

  1. jpelle82 - Oct 16, 2013 at 9:25 AM

    lapierre has always been an a-hole. one of those guys you just want to punch in the face. hope he gets 10 games.

    • Meta - Oct 16, 2013 at 12:42 PM

      I would love an even higher number.

    • elvispocomo - Oct 16, 2013 at 1:06 PM

      And what do you suggest for Brent Burns?

      • pxland - Oct 16, 2013 at 1:10 PM

        Not to go back to defense.

        Does anyone have a video of the Burns hit on Morrow?

      • elvispocomo - Oct 16, 2013 at 1:18 PM

      • pxland - Oct 16, 2013 at 1:20 PM

        Thanks for posting that.

        I hope Burns hears from Shanahan as well. I expect he will.

      • elvispocomo - Oct 16, 2013 at 1:24 PM

        The word is at this point they determined Morrow threw a reverse hit and lost. Nothing for Burns.

      • Meta - Oct 16, 2013 at 4:35 PM

        I thought he deserved at least a game as well. However, that won’t be happening.

      • defenseman13 - Oct 16, 2013 at 5:18 PM

        As a Sharks fan, I say it should be reviewed. He should be held accountable. And since I can’t discern tone from your post, are you suggesting that what he did was anywhere NEAR as bad as that dirtbag LaPierre? Read the Hockey News article, they list about 10 identical plays by Lapierre. Look up the hit on Nichols as well. Burns screwed up, but by no means is he a dirty player.

      • elvispocomo - Oct 16, 2013 at 6:05 PM

        Well, he isn’t being held accountable or even having the play reviewed. And I am suggesting that if people are wanting Lapierre to get 10 games or more that there should bee at least some similar outrage that Burns chose to hit Morrow from behind shortly after the Lapierre hit.

        The fact remains that Lapierre’s only had one suspension, that back in 2010, so even if he does play a very agitating/on the edge game he’s at least been responsible enough to not get called into the principle’s office.

        Burns doesn’t have to be dirty to make an illegal play worthy of a suspension. The NHL is trying to point out to players there are situations they have to be more careful in (like hits from behind) and that Burns was lining him up for the hit while he was facing his back shows me he wasn’t thinking of that as one of the situations the NHL has been handing out suspensions for.

        Perhaps the only thing that saves Burns is that Morrow does slow up to play the puck. He has to turn to face the boards more, making him perpendicular to them, where Burns was coming at an angle – but then Burns adjusts his hit to still hit him through the numbers and consequently straight into the boards rather than on the angle.

        I fail to see how that’s significantly better than Lapierre adding a push to Boyle after Boyle turns around completely to avoid a hit just minutes before.

    • defenseman13 - Oct 16, 2013 at 5:18 PM

      Sorry, but this 10 game slap on the wrist mentality is why this stuff still goes on in this league.

      • elvispocomo - Oct 16, 2013 at 6:06 PM

        More so than no suspension for another dangerous hit minutes later?

  2. jhaegs - Oct 16, 2013 at 9:33 AM

    As a Blues fan, I say send him down or get rid of him (regardless of whether or not he gets suspended). He hasn’t done anything for the team but put us in a BIG hole last night due to his penalty, although I’m not sure why Burns didn’t get a 5min major for his boarding. Morrow looked like he hurt his shoulder, but just because his face didn’t hit the boards, it doesn’t mean Burns’ was any less dirty. Funny the Sharks players didn’t mention it…

    We have more capable guys like Porter, Cracknell, and Paajarvi that should be playing. Last year, it was Perron committing dumb penalties, and obviously that doesn’t sit well with Hitchcock or the fans. Best wishes to Boyle.

    • hockey412 - Oct 16, 2013 at 9:49 AM

      Boarding is definitely one of those infuriating penalties – so much inconsistency in when it’s called, there’s no wonder why players try to push the issue. I’m noticing that over the past two seasons or so there’s a lot more hitting in the back (in open ice), too.

    • defenseman13 - Oct 16, 2013 at 5:28 PM

      Listen to yourself. Burns is amazingly less dirty because he has no history of being a piece of garbage like LaPierre. As a Sharks fan second and a hockey fan first, I feel that Burns SHOULD be held accountable. He did something stupid that could have injured someone.

      So to your point about Burns being any less dirty? Clearly you don’t understand just how worse LaPierre’s hit was, or what a chicken-s he is (Where’s Domi when you need him).

      Anyone interested in LaPierre’s history should read this: http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/53817-Maxim-Lapierre-hits-Dan-Boyle-from-behind-continues-history-of-garbage.html

  3. sjsharks66 - Oct 16, 2013 at 9:38 AM

    Good to see the team stand up for Boyle. Both on the ice and off. 10 game minimum for Lapierre.

  4. sjsharks66 - Oct 16, 2013 at 9:41 AM

    Seriously, get over the fact that Burns did not get 5 minutes. Morrow got right back up and played the rest of the game. Dan Boyle was taken out on a stretcher.

    • phillyboy20 - Oct 16, 2013 at 9:59 AM

      It doesn’t matter that Morrow got right up, the only way to prevent more guys from being taken out on stretchers is to consistently call it regardless of whether it results in an injury or not. That seems like common sense but I guess it’s another case of idiots being idiots.

    • ejbigg - Oct 16, 2013 at 10:34 AM

      What a dumb comment. This is straight out of Shanahan’s flawed thinking that a resulting injury is what makes a hit dirty or not. It wasn’t as dirty as Lapierre’s, but you’re blind if you don’t think Burns hit was illegal.

      A dirty hit is a dirty hit, doesn’t matter if the guy gets injured or not and they need to be taken out of the game.

      • joey4id - Oct 16, 2013 at 3:04 PM

        Morrow stopped dead in his tracks while Burns was in pursuit and couldn’t stop before the collision. On the other hand, if you pause the video immediately after Boyle turns to get the back in the corner you can see Lapierre is 10 feet away. Plenty of time to see Boyle’s numbers and avoid a push on a defenseless player.

    • elvispocomo - Oct 16, 2013 at 1:11 PM

      So because Morrow was able to get his arms up to protect himself but Boyle wasn’t that’s makes one suspendable and the other not? I wouldn’t say he got right back up either, he certainly spent some time on the ice after the hit.

      Here’s another point of view: Boyle is aware of Lapierre coming in and turns away, while I haven’t seen an angle that shows Morrow was aware of Burns coming in and he holds his position rather than turn. That means Burns was coming at Morrow’s back from the start, so if you expect Lapierre to hold up with Boyle turns away then you should also expect Burns to do so.

      • sjsimmy35 - Oct 16, 2013 at 4:39 PM

        Your dumb, lapierre INTENTIONALLY made the dirty play. I’m a sharks fan and I know that burns is a respectful player( unlike dumb lapierre) and didn’t intend to hurt morrow, also morrow sold it a bit and stumbled!! In the end the 2 hits are so different and the call made on the ice was just.

      • elvispocomo - Oct 16, 2013 at 5:56 PM

        “Your dumb” – great way to start…and to also ignore what point I’m responding to doesn’t help your case.

        If you can prove Lapierre intentionally tried to drive Boyle’s head into the dasher, then I’ll consider that they are different from intent to injure alone, but certainly I think Burns had just as much intent to hit Morrow from behind as Lapierre did with Boyle. In fact, from what I’ve seen of the hit, it seems to me Burns has much more time to see that he’s coming at Morrow from behind and should have been even more aware he was setting up for a dangerous play.

        What happens if Morrow doesn’t slow up to be able to play/protect the puck and Burns still hits him? Does Burns suddenly have responsibility to not hit him in the back when he apparently had no responsibility before?

      • slobberface - Oct 16, 2013 at 9:19 PM

        Hahahaha….”Your dumb”…simmy, you made a fool out of yourself. Lapierre is a dirtbag, but Burns is no saint. They’ve both been suspended the same amount of times, I think. Not defending Lapierre, but only a Sharks fan thinks Burns hit is clean or “Burns was just stronger then Morrow in the situation”. Try and be objective people.

  5. ibieiniid - Oct 16, 2013 at 9:53 AM

    lmao! “Things like that happen, especially when idiots are idiots.”

    Thornton with the strokin it comment, now Pav with this? I swear the Sharks belong in the PHT comment sections. they sound just like what I read here. love it.

  6. 11111111111a22 - Oct 16, 2013 at 9:54 AM

    Good point. I forgot penalties were based upon the severity of an injury. Maybe we should all start flopping like soccer players next. U R SMRT.

    • thesportsjudge - Oct 16, 2013 at 4:52 PM

      Who are you attempting to reply to?

  7. sjsharks66 - Oct 16, 2013 at 9:59 AM

    They are not base on injury but to act as if they were equal in how severe the boarding was, thats just dumb. Burns was just stronger then Morrow in the situation. It was awkward and im glad Morrow got up and played the rest of the gale. To expect Burns to be ejected with a major is just too much. He got the penalty and that is that.
    When you drive someones face into the boards it is a bit more severe then a strong push.

    • elvispocomo - Oct 16, 2013 at 1:16 PM

      I expect a similarly illegal and dangerous play to be dealt with using a similar suspension criteria. I understand injury will also factor in but that should only account for any extra tacked on at the end after a decision to suspend has already been made.

      Consider this: Boyle was right next to the boards and is hit/falls parallel to the boards. Morrow was a few feet out from the boards and is hit/falls perpendicular to the boards. Both are hit from behind, so which would you suspect would be the more dangerous play?

  8. jaredo10 - Oct 16, 2013 at 10:07 AM

    not a fan of the sharks but you have to hand it to them. they are a all around solid team

    • joey4id - Oct 16, 2013 at 10:26 AM

      They’re big, fast, strong and deep. Look out! They are prime for a deep deep run in the playoffs. Sorry! Blomfeld! I’ve seen at first hand the rivalry between the Kings and SJ. They are going to be very tough to beat if they stay healthy.

      • ibieiniid - Oct 16, 2013 at 11:05 AM

        easy now. I like the look of that team as much as anybody, but aside from a couple seasons lately, they’re about as much of a playoff letdown as the Caps are. let’s just wait and see before we start counting shark eggs.

      • joey4id - Oct 16, 2013 at 11:07 AM

        :-) Indeed! We’ll see.

      • mgp1219 - Oct 16, 2013 at 12:32 PM

        Never, and I mean NEVER apologize to Blomfeld

      • joey4id - Oct 16, 2013 at 1:15 PM

        Hehehehehe!

  9. sjsharks66 - Oct 16, 2013 at 10:08 AM

    *game

  10. jhaegs - Oct 16, 2013 at 10:11 AM

    @sjsharks66

    For one it’s “stronger THAN Morrow”…

    Maybe we should fault Boyle for not bracing in time like Morrow did. No, that would be stupid, right? As stupid as saying that Lapierre’s hit was “dirtier” than Burns’. They were both stupid boarding penalties that could have gone either way as far as injuries go. Lapierre didn’t hit Boyle in the face or head- it was a freak deal with the lip of the boards. Just because gets hurt, that doesn’t mean the hit was dirtier. I’ve seen cheap shots do no harm, and clean hits knock players out. The fact that the penalty minutes were so different is BS.

    • elvispocomo - Oct 16, 2013 at 1:23 PM

      I’m with you on that, especially considering someone using a two-handed baseball swing gets less time than an accidental high stick. Everyone knows who those players are.

  11. sjsharks66 - Oct 16, 2013 at 10:21 AM

    Yeah, an accident from Lapierre. That’s a good one. If you are going to use an argument that says Lapierre’s hit COULD have been clean then Burn’s hit COULD have been dirty. Right? They were the opposite. You claim you don’t like Lapierre but continue to insist that this could have been a different outcome. When you drive someone into the boards with their numbers staring you in the face, the outcome is usually really bad. If Morrows numbers were facing Burns then the hit would probably be worse and worth 5 minutes. They were not though.
    I agree that Burns did in fact board Morrow. There is a difference though. That is why there is a 2 minute boarding penalty and some are 5. If all boards were worth ejection then the 2 minute penalty would not be around.

    • elvispocomo - Oct 16, 2013 at 1:26 PM

      Morrows numbers weren’t facing Burns? What?! You must have watched a different video than I did, since the one I saw had Burns coming from behind him the whole time. Compare that to Lapierre only seeing Boyle’s numbers when Boyle turned at the end.

  12. jb8588 - Oct 16, 2013 at 10:26 AM

    What Couture said is right on. But the league in general has never done enough to the constant repeat offenders like Matt Cooke, Patrick Kaleta, Jarku Ruutu, Maxim Lapierre, etc to prevent these type of things from happening. Kaleta should of got more than ten games, and Lapierre deserves more than ten as well. Guys like this are a mockery to the sport and are truly pathetic in general.

    • elvispocomo - Oct 16, 2013 at 1:30 PM

      I wouldn’t say Lapierre is a “constant repeat offender” since his last (and only) suspension was in 2010. He’s an agitator absolutely, but you’d be better classifying Duncan Keith as a constant repeat offender than Lapierre.

    • wannabebluesplayer - Oct 16, 2013 at 3:04 PM

      Couture shouldn’t say a word. Really, no Sharks player should. Their great leader, Jumbo Joe, just 3 years ago nearly ended a young player’s career. He laid him out with a blatant elbow and that player missed a year and a half with a concussion. Regardless if Joe hasn’t ever done it before, he did it. Oh…and if you’re a competent Sharks fan, you know that Owen Nolan basically ended Geoff Courtnall’s career.

      Don’t condemn one, if you aren’t going to condemn your own.

      • elvispocomo - Oct 16, 2013 at 6:10 PM

        And don’t forget they still employ Torres.

  13. joey4id - Oct 16, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    What Lapierre did wasn’t even a check. It was pure and simple push in the back of a player inches from the boards Idiot! 10 games at minimum. 5 because of the hit, and 5 because I don’t like him. :-)

  14. jhaegs - Oct 16, 2013 at 10:33 AM

    Just because I don’t like Lapierre, that doesn’t mean I’m going to hate his hit more than Burns’. I only do that to Tootoo…

    I think you have your homer glasses on, and that’s OK. We’ll agree to disagree, and leave it at that. Good win by SJ and we’ll see you in Nov. You may want to tell Hertl to keep his head up. I like the kid, and I saw him reaching for pucks WAY to much last night. He’s going to get himself killed, which would really put a damper on his impressive stats this far.

    LGB

  15. jhaegs - Oct 16, 2013 at 10:38 AM

    *thus far…

  16. sjsharks66 - Oct 16, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    Agree to disagree sounds right. Never wanted this to turn into a big argument. I may have my blinders on slightly. After what happened to Boyle it is pretty easy to have them on. Bottom line is Burns hit was a board. The league does make it hard to determine what is a major and what is not. Great game by the Blues, i was honestly worried about this game. The Blues usually whoop the Sharks up and down the ice,

  17. 950003cups - Oct 16, 2013 at 11:06 AM

    The hit didn’t look like it was intentional to injure. He knocked him while Boyle was off balance. Hard to notice in the heat of the moment. Boyle’s head hit the ledge of the wall. It wasn’t a head shot. It wasn’t a “he hit him in the numbers” either.

    It looked like a bad mishap. Not a dirty hit at all.

    • pxland - Oct 16, 2013 at 11:17 AM

      Cups? Seriously?

    • jb8588 - Oct 16, 2013 at 12:21 PM

      LMAO. You need your eyes checked…

    • kingcobraman - Oct 16, 2013 at 12:39 PM

      finally an unbiased comment… that’s how I seen it… not like all those want a be referees and crybabies…

      • pxland - Oct 16, 2013 at 12:51 PM

        Shoot… He done gone and shov’d em in them numbers face first inta the boards. That is how I seen it.

    • joey4id - Oct 16, 2013 at 3:05 PM

      Pause the video immediately after Boyle turns to get the puck in the corner and you can see Lapierre is 10 feet away. Plenty of time to see Boyle’s numbers and avoid a push on a defenseless player.

      • kingcobraman - Oct 17, 2013 at 1:09 PM

        and when u slow mo he has lots of time but at game speed its a snap…

      • joey4id - Oct 17, 2013 at 1:21 PM

        Lapierre is not well liked in the NHL, and has done this before though under NHL rules he is not known as a repeat offender because at lease 18 months has passed since he last hit a player from behind.

        His hit on San Jose’s Scott Nichol drew Lapierre a four-game suspension and a $14,000.

        He also pushed Downie of TBL into the boards when he was with habs.

        10 feet is not enough time to react? You really believe that…

  18. skr213 - Oct 16, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    Did Burns get suspended for 4 games for boarding in 2010? Oh, no, sorry that was Lapierre. Did Burns grind Morrow into the dasher or did he make hit that was just barely on the back and if Morrow didn’t turn at the last second it would have been square shoulder-to-shoulder? Oh, yeah, sorry it was the latter. Comparing these two hits is blatant homerism by Blues fans. Don’t try to brush off some of Lapierre’s guilt by coming up with BS about Burns’ hit being anywhere near as bad.

    • ejbigg - Oct 16, 2013 at 12:09 PM

      I’m not a fan of either team and I think Burns hit was dirty. Lapierre’s was worse, much worse, and deserves a heftier suspension especially given his history.

      Burns made a dirty, dangerous hit that isn’t getting any attention because Morrow didn’t get injured. I guess that’s my issue here, the whole system seems flawed. But I’m definitely not trying to brush off Lapierre’s hit. That will and should be a suspension.

      • elvispocomo - Oct 16, 2013 at 1:44 PM

        It’s debatable which was worse or by how much but Lapierre’s history (one suspension back in 2010) is hardly damning evidence against him. Duncan Keith has worse/more recent suspensions working against him.

    • elvispocomo - Oct 16, 2013 at 1:42 PM

      “Just the facts, ma’am”? “Barely on the back” versus “grind…into the dasher” shows your bias and I have yet to see a reply that doesn’t have Morrow’s numbers facing Burns for much longer than Boyle’s face Lapierre.

      For the record, I’m neither a Blues nor Sharks fan (although I think they’re both VERY good teams this year) so I’m looking at both as impartially as I can. And I’m already on record saying Lapierre is guilty just with the extra push at the end, but to excuse Burns in this instance – especially just after the other hit – is wrong in my opinion.

  19. bleedingteal4life - Oct 16, 2013 at 11:29 AM

    This guy better face some serious consequences

    • elvispocomo - Oct 16, 2013 at 1:45 PM

      Burns isn’t for his hit, why is it not the same?

  20. swenny19 - Oct 16, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    It isn’t right when people get penalties based on if they hurt someone or not. Call it if it was a penalty, if not, don’t call it. Shannahan will take care of it if a player is injured.

  21. scaarepittschamberofcommerce - Oct 16, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    Ok, no. Dan Boyle turned at the last second and put himself in that position. Brenden Morrow kept his body oriented the same angle, Burns actually moved to hit him directly from the back.

  22. hammerhead5573 - Oct 16, 2013 at 12:46 PM

    Lets hear what these guys say when the biggest goon (torres) in hockey does something. This crap will never end unless their own coach or teammate calls them out for it. For everything great about hockey that is something that management, teammates, coached should address. They sure love doing it when an opposing player takes a cheap shot. In other words it isn’t ending anytime soon

    • chiadam - Oct 16, 2013 at 1:28 PM

      It will never end until goons and, by extension, fighting are out of the game. I don’t watch NHL hockey to see two mutants that can’t skate run around crippling the best players in the world. I watch for the speed and skill of the guys that actually belong in the league. And fighting does nothing to curb the behavior, so get rid of it. Get rid of fghting and you will get rid of the guys who offer nothing but the ability to hurt someone who is looking the other direction.

      • elvispocomo - Oct 16, 2013 at 1:53 PM

        I disagree. I’d be happy to get rid of the goons, sure, but when the two players involved are legitimate players (Lapierre and Burns) who can fight but aren’t considered goons who can’t play you aren’t cleaning up anything by removing fighting.

        If you want to get rid of this kind of behaviour, you also have to get rid of Marchand (an agitator like Lapierre) and Edler (a good offensive player like Burns) since they’ve also been suspended. Taylor Hall and Duncan Keith should also go in that case. Kessel and Kassian too. There aren’t a lot of people left if you drop everyone who’s ever done something bad.

        Suspend (properly) for the act and people will smarten up right quick.

  23. wannabebluesplayer - Oct 16, 2013 at 3:00 PM

    As a Blues fan, I think Lapierre’s hit was dangerous and dirty. Did he have intent to injure, probably not, but it happened. It was a bad decision by Lapierre. He should have held up or tried to stop when Boyle turned into the boards, but more on that later. All the Sharks fans clamoring about how dirty the Blues are or how Lapierre needs a much longer suspension need a reality check. How many times as Raffi Torres been suspended and what did San Jose sign him to do for them? How many Sharks players have severely injured Blues players? Thornton took out Perron for a year and a half with an elbow to the head. Nolan took down Courtnall, basically ending his career. Burns hit Morrow square in the back a couple feet from the boards, showing the definition of a dangerous, boarding hit. No one is talking about him because Morrow came back later in the game. He did go to the dressing room directly after the hit and was evaluated. After the hit on Boyle, I fully expected the Sharks to take control and win the game. That’s what the Blues did when Perron and Courtnall went down. That’s what Chicago did after Torres took out Hossa. Every team regroups around their injured player to try and win the game for him/her.

    As fans of hockey, we have all witnessed bad decisions by players resulting in bad hits. It happens. It shouldn’t, but it does. Until the league becomes much more consistent with how they call the dangerous penalties, it will continue to happen. Every dangerous play needs to be a 5 minute major and a game misconduct, regardless of injury or status of player, i.e. Top 6 as opposed to Bottom 6. Players also need to have the respect for each other to either holdup if another puts themselves in a bad position. Hockey is very much an eye for an eye sport. But the cheap shots and dangerous hits need to stop, whether it’s the players themselves or the NHL getting more aggressive on dangerous hits. Here’s another problem though, they need to be reviewable. Neither referee had their hand up after Lapierre’s hit. It was only after the scrum and the stretcher was brought out was a penalty handed down. That right there should show you how terrible the officiating is. Lapierre’s hit regardless of injury to Boyle, was a dangerous hit and should have been 5 and a misconduct, but so should have Burns. That shows that referees are calling penalties based on injuries as well, and that’s the mark of a garbage officiating league.

    Boyle put himself in a bad position, but it wasn’t all his fault for that positioning as Niemi played him the puck instead of going to the opposite side where the other Sharks D was open with not a Blue in sight. Players need to be more aware of their surroundings as well. Luckily for Morrow, he’s a bit of a bigger guy to absorb a hit and still have time to try and brace himself from impacting the boards so hard. Another example was a San Jose D throwing an elbow at Backes, and Backes defended himself, but that’s another dangerous play, yet Backes got the only penalty. Retaliation like that is just as dangerous and until that’s fixed plays like Lapierre’s and Burns will continue to happen.

  24. jhaegs - Oct 16, 2013 at 10:58 PM

    What are BRAD STUART’S thoughts on all of this???……

  25. jimeejohnson - Oct 22, 2013 at 6:03 PM

    “Things like that happen, especially when idiots are idiots,”

    This explains how that ding dong pea brain “Lil” gw bush League got elected, sort of, twice.

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