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Coach Berube: It’s time the Flyers ‘stop taking penalties’

Oct 13, 2013, 9:44 AM EDT

Assistant coach Craig Berube of the Philadelphia Flyers watches warmups prior to the game against the Boston Bruins at the Wells Fargo Center on March 30, 2013 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
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The Philadelphia Flyers are known for their rough style of play. Their Broad Street Bullies label continues to be well earned, even today. In their previous five seasons, they finished in the top two in total penalty minutes four times.

Craig Berube was no stranger to the sin bin as a player, but the new Flyers head coach feels that it’s time for this franchise to change.

Philadelphia suffered a 5-2 defeat to Detroit last night with the Red Wings’ first three goals coming on the power play. That’s dropped the Flyers to 1-5-0 this season after they’ve accumulated 118 penalty minutes in just six contests.

“We have to stop taking penalties,” Berube said, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer’s Sam Carchidi. “It’s been an issue in this organization for too long. It’s got to get better.”

There isn’t a player that you can point to as the sole source of the problem in Philadelphia. They have eight guys with at least six penalty minutes through six games. To put that into context, Jonathan Ericsson leads the Red Wings with six penalty minutes.

This isn’t a matter of the Flyers’ eagerness to drop the gloves either. They are in the middle of the pack in that regard with four fights, according to Hockey Fights.

At the same time, the Flyers have collected 39 minors while the next highest team has 26. That’s put them in a tie for the most power-play goals allowed despite their middle-of-the-road 78.8% penalty kill.

Their problems can’t be exclusively blamed on this one issue though. After all, Philadelphia hasn’t scored more than two goals in a single contest this season. Getting out of this rut will require improvement in a number of different areas, but it looks like Berube wants to see change in one that has been identified with the Flyers for a very long time.

  1. malkinrulez - Oct 13, 2013 at 10:47 AM

    According to Flyers fans it’s the refs “handing” the game to the Pens…. Wait you mean they consistently take bad penalties. I’m sure this will be a revelation to most flyers fans.

    • blackandorangeforlife - Oct 13, 2013 at 11:00 AM

      Umm…they didn’t play the Pens who won on a last minute powerplay……They lost to the Wings and every call was legit……Did the Refs hand MaF that .778 Sv% last night?

  2. malkinrulez - Oct 13, 2013 at 11:09 AM

    Ummm read the comment Flyers consistently take bad penalties not just against the pens. Typical Flyer fan , Fleury got the win as did the Pens with no Letang or Neal

    • broadstreetsbaddest88 - Oct 13, 2013 at 12:01 PM

      Read the article and how it has nothing to do with the flyers vs the pens and also find me one comment where someone is saying anything about what your talkin about. Typical pens fan not having a clue on what they’re talkin about. And you aren’t fooling anyone we all know your pitpenzulezzz.

  3. malkinrulez - Oct 13, 2013 at 11:12 AM

    I’ll take Flowers 1.75 GAA and 4-0 record! What you got now?

    • blackhawksdynasty - Oct 13, 2013 at 12:43 PM

      I’ll take 2 cups in 4 years
      “What you got now?”

      • broadstreetsbaddest88 - Oct 13, 2013 at 1:29 PM

        Hahahah touché.

      • lionstigersandwingsohmy - Oct 14, 2013 at 12:05 PM

        But 5 cups in 87 years doesn’t sound so good.

  4. unklepaulhargus - Oct 13, 2013 at 11:17 AM

    Obsess about the flyers much?

  5. pitpenguinsrulez - Oct 13, 2013 at 11:19 AM

    Flyers fans never cease to amaze me on here

    • broadstreetsbaddest88 - Oct 13, 2013 at 12:10 PM

      What amazes me is how you comment on flyers pages more then on your teams articles and it always consist of zero hockey knowledge. Your the reason why the penguins fan base is and will always have title of having zero hockey knowledge and worst fan base in sports.

      • c9castine - Oct 14, 2013 at 12:56 AM

        Wasnt aware of this title we have. Broad street bullies you guys act like idiots living in the 70s. Your teams awful and the pens contend every year. This rivalry we had for the last 25 years is a wash pittsburgh 3 philly 0. Get over it

      • phillyphanatic77 - Oct 14, 2013 at 1:40 AM

        Oh you mean the rivalry in which the league has kept one franchise alive by handing them the two generational talents in Lemieux and Crosby? Simply to keep a failure of a hockey club from moving away from its fair-weather fanbase? I forget, was it the Flyers consistent and ultimate futility that “awarded” them a Stanley Cup core? No, because when the Flyers end up with the worst record in hockey we get screwed out of Patrick Kane… when the Pens re-define the word “futile” they somehow manage to acquire Ryan Whitney (who becomes Kunitz), Fleury, Malkin, Crosby, and Staal.

        Do you think if Pens fans had gone through what we just did in the 48-game season and followed it with a 1-5 start there’d be any Pens fans left? My mind, gut, and heart say no way. Can’t wait to see how the NHL keeps the Pens franchise alive once Crosby retires with post-concussion syndrome and Malkin makes a Kovy move…don’t worry Pens fans, you’ll disappear, then the league will give you one more generational talent and you’ll all pretend as if you’ve never left, and then rinse and repeat. And this time you won’t be able to blame Ed Rendell.

      • blackandorangeforlife - Oct 14, 2013 at 10:15 AM

        You really have no clue do you?
        The Flyers record against your Pens is 142w-84l-30t-8ol
        It would take your Pens exactly 10 strait undefeated seasons just to tie the Flyers…..Funny this started with a comment about “Typical Flyers fans”
        Yet the Typical Pens fans only go back 25 years and forget the rest of their team existence……No wonder they were always bankrupt and relocated twice!

      • mordock57 - Oct 15, 2013 at 4:36 PM

        phillyphanatic… I generally like you and your comments. You generally stay above the fray and post some intelligent commentary.

        However… what you just posted about Pens fans may be the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen you post, beyond a doubt. I’m honestly surprised. Your post is literally dripping with resentment and envy. That’s fine, but don’t act for a moment like you can possibly understand who is or is not a fan of another city’s team just because they’re a rival. You have no inkling of how involved the team members are in this community and how well liked the team is. I would never dream of claiming to know what it’s like to be a Philly fan (and half my family is from there). Maybe if fans like yourself spent more energy and focus on YOUR team, you wouldn’t have to gripe so much about ours. *shrug*

    • broadstreetsbaddest88 - Oct 14, 2013 at 3:29 AM

      I couldn’t of wrote that any better myself. You took the words outta my mouth. I would love to see what any pens fans response to that one is cause Phillyphanatic77 just summed up exactly what your franchise and fan base consists of. It’s comical to think that you pretend to not know that your fan base is the laughing stock of the league. I know it must hurt to know that your one of the many idiots that contribute to the tarnished image that city and fan base have. And don’t even get me started on the all of a sudden pirates fans.

      • c9castine - Oct 14, 2013 at 11:54 AM

        This all comig from flyers fans. Means nothing. Nothig but whiny jibberish about league conspiracy theories to for some reason make little pittsburgh the best market in the league. You forget we were terrible for like 20 years before we were good and then terrible for 4 before we were good again and somehow have the deepest fan base in te u.s. Has nothing to do with fair weather. The team going
        Bankrupt has nothin to do with a lack of fans but much like quebec and ottawa and winnipeg was te result of poor ownership. Ok. Last 45 years pens 3 flyers 2. Still winning.

  6. crazemastercraze - Oct 13, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    Time to bench zac rihnaldo, contractually obligated to take penalties

  7. malkinrulez - Oct 13, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    I have been on PHT far longer than Penzrulez. You must be a newbie to PHT there has yet to be a Pens- Flyers game where Pens won that there wasn’t 10 posts how the refs jobbed the Flyers. As to my hockey knowledge I have played the game for 35 years,I don’t know everything but I have a pretty good grasp of what is happening. Also u might have noticed Flyers fans posting on Pens articles.

    • broadstreetsbaddest88 - Oct 13, 2013 at 12:56 PM

      You couldn’t of played hockey for 35 years cause the pens haven’t been relevant for that long and you guys haven’t even known that hockey even existed in pittsburgh til 2008. You aren’t convincing anyone. And only a 12 year old would make there name malkinrulez not someone that played for 35 years. You got your story twisted, it’s the pens fans that cry every loss about the penalties and cheap shots not the flyers fans. We’ve all been following hockey since we were kids so we know a good penalty from a bad one and were the first ones to say whether or team is playing bad and not use every excuse unlike you guys.

  8. twinwildflyer - Oct 13, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    So if you played the game 35 years, maybe you should act your age and quit trolling on message boards.

  9. 19to77 - Oct 13, 2013 at 1:04 PM

    If Berube wants fewer penalties, he needs to get Zac Rinaldo off his team. The guy is a loose cannon with no temper control or hockey intelligence. He doesn’t think about the puck, the play, the score, or putting his team down a man at a critical moment. He just goes out and thinks “How much sh*t can I stir up?” and does whatever comes to mind. He’s a total liability game in, game out. Bring up ANYONE else and you’ll see those PIM counts dropping immediately.

  10. mcphillthy - Oct 13, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    1) this conversation had nothing to do with Pittsburgh so shut it.
    2) the flyers couldn’t win a game right now even if the refs helped them. That’s how awful the flyers look out there.
    3) get used to this for at least the month of October. It’s going to be a while before the chief gets us going in the right direction. This is the worst I have seen our boys look in a long time.

    I won’t sugarcoat anything. We suck. We look bad across the board right now. At least we addressed it early in the season so it can be fixed.

  11. malkinrulez - Oct 13, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    The name calling is very mature. I do despise the Flyers however there are commenters who I read as I respect what they have to say, such as phillyphanatic77.i am truly sorry so many feelings were hurt

  12. malkinrulez - Oct 13, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    blackhawksdynasty congrats you only had to wait 50 years to be relevant

    • blackandorangeforlife - Oct 13, 2013 at 4:59 PM

      Last i checked they won their last 2 Cups….No Asterisk on either of them!

    • drone501 - Oct 13, 2013 at 8:41 PM


    • blackhawksdynasty - Oct 14, 2013 at 8:22 AM

      Malkinrulez: it was well worth the wait….how many cups does Pittsburgh own???

  13. antmel30 - Oct 13, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    Malkinrulez I’m pretty sure it’s not just flyers fans who think you get the calls by refs. If you took al league poll especially anyone who has played them in a playoff series pens get the calls. I can remember last year vs the islanders a phantom call in playoff ot gm vs islanders pens got cheap call to win. It’s the league that complains not just flyers. But the pens did look good last night they have great pick movement. Can’t wait till Thursday hopefully flyers will give a good gm and win

    I know the flyers record sucks but to be honest I am very happy since chief came on. His style is coming around and play in own zone has def improved. Flyers are creating more turnovers and getting chances. Once dumb penalties stop and pp comes alive I think we will be ok. I know the record states otherwise but they have been very solid 5 vs 5. They just blow on special teams. I thought they played great gm in Detroit but the penalties missed chances and emery with a night I’m sure he would want to do over. The team is in scoring slump but I do see some positives every gm just hope it clicks soon.

  14. malkinrulez - Oct 13, 2013 at 2:21 PM

    I don’t for a minute believe the Flyers are as bad as their record. Too much talent on that roster. It is surprising their not scoring goals. My post was a jab at the numerous Flyers fan who constantly whine about calls. I do realize there probably are as many Pens fans that do the same.

  15. antmel30 - Oct 13, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    You are right most philly fans are whiners. Iive in philly they whine even when they win. Fans here are truly passionate where heart and emotions on sleeve. The reason flyers or philly fans hate pens so much is because I think they feel like they have a bunch of crybabies. I am sure pens fans feel same way. I hate pens with all my heart but respect talent. We can go back and forth I’m sure about what pens do this and flyers do that but we are all homers here and turn our heads when it’s our team.

  16. blackandorangeforlife - Oct 13, 2013 at 4:04 PM

    To those posting about Rinaldo you must not watch many games….In the last 2 seasons he has drawn more penalties then he has taken…..Last season it was almost a 2-1 ratio…..I’ll take him every game!

    • mcphillthy - Oct 14, 2013 at 12:21 AM

      I’ve tried explaining what he does and how good he is at doing it before but too many people wanna argue. I know exactly what you are saying about him and I agree with you 100%. The guy is an animal but he’s become a very smart animal. Everyone hates on him and I love it. I’m glad to see others who understand what he brings to this team

  17. malkinrulez - Oct 13, 2013 at 5:44 PM

    blackandorangeforlife u r right about Rinaldo his role can’t be overlooked, not pretty but leaves it on the ice. As far as the asterisks those only exist in your mind you may want to see somebody about that

  18. eagles512 - Oct 13, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    There is a player you can point to. Rinaldo.

    • blackandorangeforlife - Oct 13, 2013 at 11:29 PM

      When it comes to effort and heart Rinaldo puts the best to shame…..Rag on the kid all you want but he plays his role 110%….Imagine id Sid played with this kids attitude!,,,,,I think the comparisons to #99 would end!

      • mcphillthy - Oct 13, 2013 at 11:59 PM

        Everyone wants to hate on rinaldo. I’d hate on him too if I had to play against him. And if fans/haters understand his role and realize how good he is at what he does you would appreciate him. He playa his heart out and won’t hesitate to protect anybody on his team. He makes the other team play with their heads on a swivel. Rinaldo is a beast.

  19. slysipops - Oct 13, 2013 at 9:24 PM

    TO SUM IT ALL UP …………………..

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  2. P. Kane (1277)
  3. S. Matthias (1155)
  4. M. Zuccarello (1082)
  5. D. Carcillo (1079)