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Snider: Flyers camp ‘was one of the worst training camps I had ever seen’

Oct 7, 2013, 1:39 PM EDT

Ed Snider AP

Hours after Peter Laviolette was fired as Philadelphia’s head coach, owner Ed Snider said the dismissal wasn’t just about the club’s winless start to the season.

“I thought our training camp, quite frankly, was one of the worst training camps I had ever seen,” Snider told CSN Philadelphia.

“Not talking about wins or losses. There was nothing exciting. Nobody shined. Nobody looked good. I couldn’t point to one thing as a positive and I was personally worried. Unfortunately, my worries were realized in the first three games.”

The Flyers went 1-5-1 during the preseason, scoring just 16 goals. That offensive ineptitude carried over to the regular season, as Philly has just three goals over its first three games and went a staggering 143:01 without an even-strength tally.

How much of this has to do with Laviolette remains to be seen. Much of the blame for the team’s lack of cohesion is being placed at the feet of GM Paul Holmgren, who has overturned the roster significantly since Laviolette took the Flyers to the 2010 Stanley Cup final.

That said, Laviolette did reportedly lose the room. Here’s more, from ESPN’s Pierre LeBrun:

I do know [new head coach Craig] Berube is beloved by the players and I think that’s where it has to start, re-establishing a trusting relationship between the players and the coach.

A source told me Monday morning that Laviolette and the players were no longer on the same page, and that’s not shocking when you saw how they played in the opening three games.

The players seemed to be waiting for the coach to be fired. It makes you wonder why the Flyers didn’t make this change last spring, after the Flyers missed the playoffs.

Snider also added the team looked “disorganized” under Laviolette.


  1. sasquash20 - Oct 7, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    Flyers need to bring someone in who isn’t one of the guys. A fresh face with different opinions and views. The Flyer way hasn’t worked. They always promote from with in and you get the same results. They need a whole new front office and approach. Oh and Lavi needed to go a while ago. We should still have the Bob if it wasn’t for Lavi.

    • davebabychreturns - Oct 7, 2013 at 2:01 PM

      Laviolette was a “fresh face” who wasn’t “one of the guys” for what it’s worth.

      And I don’t think you can blame the coach when the team signed a free agent to a lifetime contract and then dealt away a player they (at the time) thought would never take the starting role due to that contract.

      Bryzgalov (and as such, Bobrovsky) is on Holmgren, and Snider to the extent that he was pulling the strings on this whole mess.

    • 950003cups - Oct 7, 2013 at 2:29 PM

      “A source told me Monday morning that Laviolette and the players were no longer on the same page, and that’s not shocking when you saw how they played in the opening three games.”


      A) Holmgren (when he heard Snyder wanted to choke him)

      B) Laviolette (because he may have a better offer in Winnipeg?)

      C) Craig Berube ($$$)

      D) Some fans on this blog (as always)

      E) Bryzgalov (so he can ask for another contract at double the last one)

      I’m gonna say D. Just cause its Snyder.

      • lostpuppysyndrome - Oct 7, 2013 at 3:17 PM

        Winnipeg? What’s the scoop on that?

    • Meta - Oct 7, 2013 at 4:40 PM

      How was Lavi to blame for Bob leaving? if anyone is to blame its holmgren

  2. 7mantel - Oct 7, 2013 at 1:56 PM

    If Ed thought the training camp was so bad then why give the coach a vote of confidence !

  3. sjsblitz - Oct 7, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    “Worse” not worst. That bugged the hell out of me

    • sjsblitz - Oct 7, 2013 at 1:57 PM

      Im still confused here, gonna go grab a dictionary

      • ibieiniid - Oct 7, 2013 at 2:01 PM

        here i’ll solve it for you. you’re wrong. it’s worst.

        how old are you? and you don’t know the difference between worse and worst….

      • ibieiniid - Oct 7, 2013 at 2:05 PM

        apologies in advance. i’m a bit ornery today. I think you understand why.

      • greenmtnboy31 - Oct 7, 2013 at 2:06 PM

        You’re most certainly confused. If you think you need to grab a dictionary, when you really need to repeat fifth grade.

  4. thecheeman - Oct 7, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    I think Jason Brough honked the Under Pressure series for the Flyers:

    Come on guys you work for the same company. Listen up around the water coller.

    • thecheeman - Oct 7, 2013 at 2:00 PM


  5. ibieiniid - Oct 7, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    “A source told me Monday morning that Laviolette and the players were no longer on the same page, and that’s not shocking when you saw how they played in the opening three games.

    The players seemed to be waiting for the coach to be fired. It makes you wonder why the Flyers didn’t make this change last spring, after the Flyers missed the playoffs.”

    Hey “source,” f*** off. Nobody likes retrospect…. especially when you’re firing a coach and trying to ensure he doesn’t get another job as well, just to make your decision look better.

    • ibieiniid - Oct 7, 2013 at 2:03 PM

      commenting my own comment because this irks me so much. I HATE when an anonymous “source” slanders a coach/player after getting rid of them (Seguin comes to mind). my least favorite thing in sports probably.

      • greenmtnboy31 - Oct 7, 2013 at 2:07 PM

        I gave you a thumbs up, just to make you feel better.

      • ibieiniid - Oct 7, 2013 at 2:12 PM

        lol thanks sir. damnit I wish i could convert thumbs ups to Flyers wins. either that, or money. yeah probably money.

      • hockeyflow33 - Oct 7, 2013 at 3:37 PM

        The Bruins tv station, NESN, ran a behind the season special about the offseason leading up to the trade and all they did was say bad things about Seguin for half the show. It felt like they threw together the entire program to justify the trade to the pink hat fanbase.

      • ibieiniid - Oct 7, 2013 at 3:49 PM

        that’s repulsive. Chiarelli, aside from that trade, wasn’t even in hot water at the time, was he? Hell, he just got that freaking extension. let the people that you FIRED get paid what they deserve somewhere else.

        lmao how did I get 5 thumbs down on that? Do people really like when teams talk sh** about their formers? have a feeling it’s just all my pro-Flyer talk today… catchin me some flak.

  6. 2qswing - Oct 7, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    “A source told me Monday morning that Laviolette and the players were no longer on the same page”

    ok players, you threw the coach under the bus. I’m sure now everything will be just fine. This quote has loud mouth Hartnell written all over it.
    Hartnell = coach killer, stupid penalties,
    Giroux = overrated,
    Vorachek = out of shape
    Simmonds = hard worker but not a top 6 scorer
    “D” = combo of over the hill vets and inexperience youth.
    Couturier = lost
    Best player is 38 years old ( Kimo)

    Good Luck Vinny

    • ibieiniid - Oct 7, 2013 at 2:35 PM

      you look like you just typed what you think about each of those Flyers…. without actually knowing anything about the Flyers or watching a game this year.

      Hartnell, no arguments, although he’s only got 2 PIMs so far.
      G, no argument til he proves otherwise.
      Voracek isn’t out of shape, he’s hurt.
      Simmonds has scored 2/3 a point per game since he got in Philly, that’s just fine for a top 6 role-player.
      Defense…. there’s one guy you’d consider over the hill (not to say that some of them aren’t just downright shi**y defensemen), Timonen, and one you’d consider inexperienced youth, Gustafsson.
      No arguments on Couturier.
      And Kimmo has been lost too this season, not our best player by any means.

      so many Flyers sh**-talkers today, so little actual information.

      • 2qswing - Oct 7, 2013 at 2:49 PM

        At the end of the day it looks to me like you agree with most of my comments. Jake was out of shape for a good portion of last year and looks the same to me now. We can disagree
        I acknowleged that Simmonds is a hard worker and I debated that one. I just don’t think he has much touch around the net. He’s a plugger and every team needs them.
        Last 3 minutes of a period or game protecting a lead or tied Kimo is on the ice. He’s not perfect but the best we’ve got in clutch situations when healthy.

        Look coaches get fired all the time in all sports. This is really rare for two reasons:
        1. earliest firing in the history of the league. If Snider and PH knew all this why did he even start the season.
        2. Players and FA seem hell bent on making sure he doesnt get another HC job with all the unnamed sources and BS talk after the fact. really bush league.

  7. sampulls - Oct 7, 2013 at 2:17 PM

    Shame on the players for this. Aren’t these players from the NHLPA? The same organization that ranted about the NHL owners not ‘honouring their contracts” last fall?”

    Aren’t all players obliged to play as hard as they should no matter the circumstances? So let me see if I get this right. They don’t like their coach so they don’t give a 100%. Wow!!!!

    Good thing the players are doing heir part to honour their own contracts!!

  8. President Charles Logan - Oct 7, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    Is Hal Gill ever going to play a game?

  9. crazemastercraze - Oct 7, 2013 at 3:19 PM

    The people that own/operate this organization are idiots with a lot of money, plain and simple

  10. bgrillz - Oct 7, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    What I don’t get is ho you didn’t figure this in the offseason. You lost players, added marginal at best players. And yet, you give the guy 3 cracks at it, and break him off? Should have broken him off last season, and started fresh this season. You will now waste away with an interim head coach. good luck filthadelphia

    • ibieiniid - Oct 8, 2013 at 8:18 AM

      who’d they lose?

  11. barkar942 - Oct 7, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    Can Holmgren fire AV after the Rangers lose their first three?
    That would make me happy.

  12. bgrillz - Oct 7, 2013 at 3:29 PM

    Also, just getting to the playoffs is not a winning culture. Sorry tough guy.

    • hockeyflow33 - Oct 7, 2013 at 3:39 PM

      As someone who despises the Flyers, I would say they have had a winning culture for awhile. Being a consistent playoff team is something to be proud of. They weren’t far off from winning the Cup a few years ago.

  13. jaws1655 - Oct 7, 2013 at 3:35 PM

    Richie and Carts and the rest of the team quit on Lavi after the cup run in 2010. The team was horrible the second half of the next season. They got new player and after one full and one half shortened season, the new team quit on him. He had a good season and a half in Carolina and then they quit on him. He is a lot like Keenan, he can whip them into a frenzy, but that wears thin really fast!! They get worn down and when they can’t push through it and the results aren’t there they back off. Coaches like that have short life spans. They can raise a team up and then hopefully the next coach can get them to be consistent winners. The only team in their division the Flyers could beat consistently was the Pens with a run and gun offense. The Devils, Rangers an even the Isles have defensive systems that shut down the Flyers.

    • dku5 - Oct 7, 2013 at 4:01 PM

      Jaws..That 2010 run was a fluke in so many ways. They made the playoffs on a shootout to end the last game of the sesason. Not only did they upset the #2 seed, but their next two opponents were winners of an upset. It was a great cinderella run, but it was not going to repeat for another cup run.

      I don’t think Laviolette did anythign good in Phillly. I am not sure why, but I know the end product on the ice was not playing NHL calibur hockey.

  14. pjdigler - Oct 7, 2013 at 5:34 PM

    At least the flyer fans will be able to troll the pens stories during the playoffs and talk s**t …..losers

    • blackandorangeforlife - Oct 8, 2013 at 9:47 AM

      And your doing what?

  15. earpaniac - Oct 7, 2013 at 8:00 PM

    No being a Flyers fan, how many coaches has Holmgren hired now?

  16. ducksk - Oct 8, 2013 at 12:13 AM

    Clean sweep for all philly pro coaches. Now fire the fans.

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