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Holmgren says Flyers ‘don’t look like a team at all’

Oct 7, 2013, 11:40 AM EDT

Anger, frustration and a healthy (unhealthy?) dose of defensiveness highlighted this morning’s press conference in Philadelphia confirming that head coach Peter Laviolette had been fired and replaced with Craig Berube.

Taking questions from reporters were general manager Paul Holmgren and owner Ed Snider. A few tweets to give you the gist:

Bottom line, the Flyers need to turn it around. And if you’re Holmgren, they may need to turn it around real soon.

Philadelphia (0-3-0) plays five of its next six at home, starting tomorrow versus Florida against last season’s worst team in the NHL.

  1. drewsylvania - Oct 7, 2013 at 11:45 AM

    Irresponsible idiot.

    • cg28rulz - Oct 7, 2013 at 12:07 PM

      that a boy paul make sure that the red carpet that youre laying down for Hex to take your job is straight and not wrinkled

    • hockey412 - Oct 7, 2013 at 12:40 PM

      Agreed…hey speaking of irresponsible idiots, and somewhat lost in all of this, I’m reading that Ian Laperriere was also promoted to Assistant Coach?


      • blackandorangeforlife - Oct 7, 2013 at 4:40 PM

        Both Lappy and Berube are defensive minded individuals…..This will surely be a more responsible team going forward

      • hockey412 - Oct 8, 2013 at 7:51 AM

        I agree, especially from Berube’s comments (he made it sound like he was going to implement the trap or some crap like that) but is that what they need, more defense?

        Last year I agree…need more defense, the defense sucked. And maybe the lack of offense does stem from that – what do I know. But there is actually a lot of fire power on that team to turn it into a defensive system, and I’m not sure it solves the whole “not scoring” problem. It will be interesting.

  2. paul621 - Oct 7, 2013 at 11:46 AM

    I really hate reporting in the form of tweets. Write a damn article.

    • pitpenguinsrulez - Oct 7, 2013 at 12:14 PM

      Its 2013 not 1973

    • Jason Brough - Oct 7, 2013 at 1:06 PM

      I wrote a damn article!

  3. curioustraveler13 - Oct 7, 2013 at 11:46 AM

    Blow it up Paul. Please.

    • drewsylvania - Oct 7, 2013 at 11:54 AM

      He already blew it up–the pieces are all over the place.

      • curioustraveler13 - Oct 7, 2013 at 12:07 PM

        Haha I know. I’m a huge flyer hater and I really enjoy watching him work. I wouldn’t let this guy manage my monopoly money, but I’m happy he’s still employed.

  4. mshantz22 - Oct 7, 2013 at 11:51 AM

    Isn’t it the GM’s job to put together the team?

  5. drewsylvania - Oct 7, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    He acquired, then re-upped Bryz, getting rid of Bobrovsky. Snider should fire him for those moves alone.

    • jernster21 - Oct 7, 2013 at 12:45 PM

      It didn’t seem to me that Bob was playing Vezina-esque hockey when he was with the Flyers. Then he goes and plays lights out for Columbus and everyone is like “why did you do that?!?!?” Easy to say that in hindsight, but he wasn’t playing at that level when he was with the team, so it was probably the right move at the time.

      • cg28rulz - Oct 7, 2013 at 1:03 PM

        remember Bobs rookie season when he he was lights out until around the 50-60 game mark of the season then he couldnt stop a beach ball from going into the net better wait to see how he does in a full season before anyone puts too much stock in his Vezina status from the short season

      • jpelle82 - Oct 7, 2013 at 1:55 PM

        bryz was playing vezina like hockey under tippett BEFORE he came to philly, bob plays vezina hockey under todd richards AFTER he left philly, emery was great in chicago (yet to be seen how he fares in philly). common theme here is that under the laviolette system, these guys struggled. (well actually, the year they went to the finals bob played well – 30 wins? – and went downhill from there). firing laviolette is the right move and may explain a lot of the issues and holmgren is realizing it now. it wasnt necessarily the personnel issue or the moves by homer (cant believe i just said that), it was the lack of movement on laviolette – maybe in hindsight he’s realized the common denominator has been laviolette’s system here lately.

      • drewsylvania - Oct 7, 2013 at 2:33 PM

        Meh. Bryz has been mediocre most of his career. Bobrovsky wasn’t god–but his history suggested a goalie at least as good as Bryz, for a tiny fraction of what they’re paying Bryz.

    • blackandorangeforlife - Oct 7, 2013 at 4:43 PM

      Bryz was in no way Homers move….That was Ed in the passengers seat and the media driving him like Miss Daisy!

      • blackandorangeforlife - Oct 7, 2013 at 4:48 PM

        Oh and Jpelle….”the year they went to the finals bob played well”…….Nice to know that considering he was not a Flyer yet!

  6. matt14gg - Oct 7, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    The typical reaction of a terrible GM. He’s done a lousy job (the silly goaltending decisions are all on Paul Holmgren) and firing Lavvy buys him a little more time. Much like Mike Gillis in Vancouver the problem with the Flyers stares at Holmgren every morning when he shaves. The sooner the owner figures that out the better.

    • jpelle82 - Oct 7, 2013 at 1:57 PM

      while he might have overpaid for bryz, he was a very good goalie when they got him. bob became a very good goalie when he left. gotta blame the coach more than the gm for the actual play on the ice.

      • atwatercrushesokoye - Oct 7, 2013 at 4:46 PM

        Bryzgalov was a good goalie in Phoenix because they have the best goalie coach in the league. It’s not a coincidence that every Phoenix goalie turns out to be pretty good, Sean Burke can turn water into wine when it comes to getting goalies to maximize their skills.

  7. girouxed - Oct 7, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    Lavy AND Holmgren need to leave together. Please this is not working.

  8. chrisk61 - Oct 7, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    2 other perspectives. first, flyers have pretty much stunk since giroux got the C. you give him a pass, as a new, young captain, for a little while. but it has been awhile, and flyers stink under giroux’s captaincy. second, the “young core” — giroux, voracek, simmonds, b schenn, couturier, read — aren’t producing offensively. it is starting to get late. the young core may be a bust and may need to be broken up.

    • girouxed - Oct 7, 2013 at 12:08 PM

      G has been the captain since way before the “C”. Briere and others have said that it was essentially his team since Pronger was out. Issue is team management.. and ownership

    • blackandorangeforlife - Oct 7, 2013 at 4:51 PM

      “the young core may be a bust and may need to be broken up”….Isnt that exactly what people are accusing the Flyers organization of doing to wing up in this mess

  9. pitpenguinsrulez - Oct 7, 2013 at 12:13 PM

    Watch the Flyers win tomorrow vs. Florida and some asswipe on any other major hockey site whether its on here or not will say “Oh look making Berube the head coach got us our first” or something like that. Hello its the Panthers not the Bruins or Pens. Holmgren is the assclown that put this team together and now hes just trying to hide his mistakes. Simply put Philly is a mess and at this rate 1975 will continue on.

    • ibieiniid - Oct 7, 2013 at 12:36 PM

      theoretical situations are fun.

    • blackandorangeforlife - Oct 7, 2013 at 5:33 PM

      So by your logic the only reason MaF has looked good so far is because he played against bad teams?

    • mshantz22 - Oct 7, 2013 at 6:36 PM

      You laugh, the panthers will probably get more this year than the flyers.

  10. massconn72 - Oct 7, 2013 at 12:16 PM

    The firing needs to go one or two levels higher.

  11. flyeredup - Oct 7, 2013 at 12:21 PM

    The blame is on Homer. He got rid of Carter, Richards, Bobrovski and acquired the Schenn Brothers who are the most overrated/overhyped players in the NHL

    • President Charles Logan - Oct 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM

      Finally someone else agrees on here about the Schenn sisters being over rated and over hyped. How bad have they been in the first 3 games?… brutal!

  12. drewzducks - Oct 7, 2013 at 12:25 PM

    Lavy = Mike Brown 2.0

  13. ndrick731 - Oct 7, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    Maybe after homer is gone hextall will come in and realize he needs to get rid of couturier who stinks. Only a matter of time before berube take a few of them out to the parking lot and beats the crap out if them.

    • curioustraveler13 - Oct 7, 2013 at 12:35 PM

      Haha I remember when flyer fans praised couturier for being one of the best shut down centers in the league. Then last season he couldn’t even shut down an I phone and now flyer fans want him flogged in the streets. I love flyer fans. I really do.

    • mcphillthy - Oct 7, 2013 at 1:07 PM

      Just for the record you are an idiot. I don’t usually call people names but to say coots sucks… You are a tool and I can no longer take anything you say seriously.

      • ibieiniid - Oct 7, 2013 at 2:41 PM

        idk man…. Couturier’s play since that Pens series says otherwise. he looks scared out there.

  14. blue21c - Oct 7, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    Thanks Paul Holmgren for giving Bob to the Blue Jackets, and taking Steve Mason off our hands while you were at it. Wrong person got fired today!!!

  15. avscanes - Oct 7, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    Lavy is a class act. His record and Stanley cup ring speak for themselves. Alot of teams would live to have him. Snider and holmgren are looking for scapegoats when they need to look in the mirror.

  16. crazemastercraze - Oct 7, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    The two songs that they should start playing at the stoppage of play at the Wachovia center are “Land of Confusion” by Genesis and “Sweating Bullets” by Megadeth…..repeatedly

  17. blue21c - Oct 7, 2013 at 1:35 PM

    No Holmgren thought better to blow a bazillion dollars on Bryzwasteoff and Vinny Laoldmaneier

    • ibieiniid - Oct 7, 2013 at 2:41 PM

      you should stick to calling them their real names….. those are horrible.

  18. blue21c - Oct 7, 2013 at 2:04 PM

    Since everyone liked to dump on Scott Howson (not that I am a fan of his) I think it’s pretty cool to dump on someone else for a change

  19. blue21c - Oct 7, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    I assume you are referring to the Schenn Sisters?

    • President Charles Logan - Oct 7, 2013 at 5:18 PM

      Nah Im pretty sure he’s talking about those stupid names you just came up with …Bryzwasteoff and Vinny Laoldmaneier.

  20. jaws1655 - Oct 7, 2013 at 2:56 PM

    They Flyers have a good core of players. The defense last year got better with the forwards helping out towards the end of the year with minor league players. The system that causes giveaways at the opposite blue line for odd man rushes doesn’t help. The forwards need to be back in the zone to help out. They need to work harder on the forecheck too. The goaltending is better so far this year. I’d like to see what they can do over the next 15 – 20 games.

  21. officialgame - Oct 7, 2013 at 3:05 PM

    Hashtag clueless imbecile@
    ” what’s left for a clueless clown to do except fire the coach and brown nose the owner”?

  22. moarjam - Oct 7, 2013 at 3:29 PM

    I’m glad flyer fans are starting to come around.

    I never got the love for this guy. Just don’t think he’s a good gm.

    First off, for the past 3-4 season it seems like there are massive overhauls to the roster every offseason. That’s usually a sign that things aren’t working. How can you expect any continuity from your players?

    Secondly, who has he ever drafted that has panned out as a NHL player? Giroux was a Clarke pick. JVR? He’s panned out pretty well…for the leafs. Who else? 7-8 years and nothing to show for it in terms of draft picks. Sure there’s some OK prospects. All of the guys who have busted for him so far were OK prospects at some point too. You won’t win in today’s NHL if you don’t draft well. This isn’t basketball where you can win a championship in free agency.

    Lastly, All these moves he’s made have not made the team better at all. Everyone loves the Richards and carter returns. Why? All of the teams they’ve iced since the trade have not been close to as good as the Richard and carter teams. They got good young players but the thing with that is that it’s anyone’s guess how they’ll turn out. I can’t say whether it will work out and neither can any of you. But I can say with certainty that the team is worse off TODAY. That team had just got to the finals. I think that if it was kept together it had astrong shot at making more deep runs. Certainly much more than this current group…

  23. blackandorangeforlife - Oct 7, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    Just how great were Richards and Carter in the Cup finals?
    Game 1….no points and both a minus 2
    game 2….1 point each and each a minus 2
    game 3…..0 points and a combined minus 3
    game 4…..each 1 goal and even
    game 5…..0 points and Richards a minus 2
    game 6…..0 points and both a minus 1
    And Carters only goal was an empty netter……So between them a whopping 4 points and a minus 10……Can we give up on making them look like they were great or something!….The stats prove otherwise…..And the returns have way outplayed them since!

    • moarjam - Oct 7, 2013 at 7:36 PM

      You are missing the point. The team is not as good as it was with them on it. To me, it was an odd decision to break up a team that was on the verge of breaking through. A decision that hasn’t paid much dividends yet in terms of team success. Maybe it will at some point. But at the moment, I’m just calling it like I see it.

  24. Lupy Nazty Philthy - Oct 7, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    Laviolette getting fired is a whatever. He was expendable, but how Holmgren still has a job is the real question. Homer’s done nothing but dismantle a former Conference Champ team.

    Labeling Richards and Carter as party animals to justify shipping them off for spare parts. Giving away a Vezina caliber goalie to make room to overpay a space cadet goalie, just to buyout the space cadet a year or two later?

    All the Flyers ever needed was a replacement to Pronger, not a major overhaul. Could have been as easy as trading Jeff Carter for Jack Johnson (the move Columbus made) and Philly could still have Richards, Bobrovsky and all that Bryz cap space to do whatever else with.

    The good news for Flyers fans is if they continue to not produce, Homer should be next on the chopping block.

  25. President Charles Logan - Oct 7, 2013 at 6:01 PM

    The bottom line is Richards and Carter have a SC Ring and those players you got in return have nothing .. and probably wont for at least a few more years .

    • blackandorangeforlife - Oct 7, 2013 at 7:07 PM

      They benefited from the team way more then the team benefited from them……Most fans act like this situation has never happened before…Chellios, Francis, Coffey, Pronger, Niewendyk, Recchi, Mogilny, Brind’Amour, Roy, Bourque, Messier
      Shall i continue?……Would you put Carter and or Richards on that list other then winning a cup with the team they were traded to?….Pretty sure the guys i named had much much more impact on their new team winning it……Want some other players to share in this?….Kunitz. Bill Guerin, Matteau, Holik, Graves……Pretty sure this is where those two fit!

      • President Charles Logan - Oct 7, 2013 at 7:31 PM

        how soon ya’ll forget what those 2 guys did for your team for the better part of 4 years , got you to the SC Finals , they have a winning pedigree, as proven at the AHL level for the 2004 Phantoms as well.. shall I go on now? … nah didnt think so

      • blackandorangeforlife - Oct 7, 2013 at 7:35 PM

        Go on all you want…..But bringing up their minors is irrelevant…..Ever hear of Pat Falloon?….Alexander Daigle?….Pretty sure i nailed that list…..Look it over again and tell me i’m off base

      • moarjam - Oct 7, 2013 at 7:57 PM

        I certainly hope that your opinion isn’t shared by the majority of the flyers fan base. These guys were flyers greats. It’s not like they decided to leave. They were shipped out of town. A week after they sat face to face with your asshat gm and were promised they weren’t going anywhere.

        I’d also challenge you to go back and watch those kings playoff games (bc you clearly didnt) and tell me they weren’t essential to the team. That team doesn’t win the cup let alone make the playoffs with Wayne Simmons, Braydon schenn and jack Johnson instead of Richards and carter.

        A player like mike Richards value is immeasurable. Plays both sides of the ice extremely well. Plays PP and PK. Good on the dot. Tough as nails.

        It’s a little disheartening how some flyers fans seem to trash them. They were gods to you guys when they played in orange and black.

      • blackandorangeforlife - Oct 7, 2013 at 9:02 PM

        Carter was never considered a “God” in Philly……Never……Richards was well respected no doubt….And that team wouldn’t have won the Cup without Quick…..In fact would not have even made the playoffs……Where as with Quick the Flyers would have beaten the Hawks!……All i am saying is people act like that situation never happened before yet it has…..All this information on the internet yet yet it gets misused……Let me posit you this……Do you judge Bryz by his Cup year?

      • moarjam - Oct 7, 2013 at 10:23 PM

        That’s a pretty lame question seeing as bryz was the backup.

        There’s no doubt quick was the MVP and they wouldn’t have won without him. They also wouldn’t have won without Richards or carter. To say otherwise is ignorant. You are starting to sound like a spurned ex.

        I dont think anyone is arguing that a situation like this has never happened before…just that it happened here…

  26. blackandorangeforlife - Oct 7, 2013 at 10:47 PM

    But it’s not lame duck (no pun intended)…..Go look…..Would the Ducks have won that Cup?…..And i dont look at the as nobodies……Just not the level you think they are at!

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