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In need of cap space, could Flyers be looking to make a trade?

Sep 27, 2013, 6:57 PM EDT

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Philadelphia Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren has made some intriguing comments about the possibility of a trade prior to the beginning of the regular season.

He didn’t shut down the possibility of a deal, but wasn’t about to tip his hand, either.

According to the numbers crunched on Capgeek.com, the Flyers are over the 2013-14 salary cap of $64.3 million and have nine defenseman under contract – not including Hal Gill on a tryout.

Those numbers on the blue line might entice the GM to think about making a move in the coming days. The Flyers have until Monday afternoon to get down to the salary cap.

“This time of year, you always ask questions like ‘What are you looking for?’ and ‘What do you need?’ It’s just general talk,” Holmgren told philly.com.

“This time of year, waivers everyday, there’s a lot of teams slipping guys down to the minors that way. It’s a critical time for every team as they try to fill out their roster.”

  1. mcphillthy - Sep 27, 2013 at 7:02 PM

    Which defenseman does everyone want to see go?

    • yokes27 - Sep 27, 2013 at 11:25 PM

      Cob urn is a turnover machine. It’s ashame because his talent is off the charts but he only pulls it out once every ten games usually dancing al five defenders then missing the net sending it on a rush for the other team. Remember when we got him from Atlanta? Young kid out to show people wrong? Where the hell his speed and puck moving ability go?!?! We miss you coby. Lol

  2. icelovinbrotha215 - Sep 27, 2013 at 7:07 PM

    Cobi and/or Mesz. I was hoping that EDM trade would fall through but I feel that those two would be a logical place to start.

    • mcphillthy - Sep 27, 2013 at 7:47 PM

      Ahh but this is Philly, my friend. Homer throws logic out of the door when he has been drinking. I personally want to see coburn go but we really don’t have anyone to replace him.

  3. billsin20xx - Sep 27, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    Is Pronger def gone forever? If he ever came back that would really screw their cap.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Sep 27, 2013 at 8:00 PM

      Yeah he’s done, but any Flyers fan would tell you they’d gladly take the cap trouble for another few years (even one season or a playoff run) of having our captain back. Hypothetically if he came back, they could just deal Coburns 4.5 hit and they’d essentially be fine. But it’s a moot point as his issue is beyond post concussion syndrome, it’s about the eye injury he suffered. Man I miss Pronger but I’m sure the franchise misses him more.

      • billsin20xx - Sep 27, 2013 at 8:56 PM

        He was a beast! I didn’t look it up or anything but I was thinking he was more of a $7m hit, I thought he had one of those monster contracts.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Sep 27, 2013 at 9:04 PM

        No luckily he got it just before the defender market exploded and average dmen started making 4-6 million. He was a beast and an absolute bargain at just under $5 mil annually… unfortunately now it’s gotta go on LTIR.

      • broadstreetsbaddest88 - Sep 27, 2013 at 10:05 PM

        He was so good. Id give anything to have him back. I’ve never seen a player have such an impact on a team like he did. He’s such a great captain and every time he steps on the ice you can take a breathe cause you know he’s gonna Settle the team and game down and get them to focus. He was sorely missed when he got hurt. It killed our confidence. He’s goin down as one of the greats for sure

  4. blackandorangeforlife - Sep 27, 2013 at 7:54 PM

    They dont need to make a trade for cap reasons and this is a known fact…But 9 defense men not including Gill is not going to exist either….my guess is Coburn or Mez go…possibly both and Gill getting a contract!

  5. gregman98 - Sep 27, 2013 at 8:11 PM

    I LOVED Pronger when he played for Team Canada and not the despicable Failers.

    des·pi·ca·ble
    /diˈspikəbəl/
    Adjective
    Deserving hatred and contempt.

    Deserving indeed.

  6. thesportsjudge - Sep 27, 2013 at 8:41 PM

    With Homer in charge, isn’t there ALWAYS the possibility of a trade?

  7. multiplemiggs - Sep 27, 2013 at 8:51 PM

    Enjoy Streit in his declining years LOL. Bunch of know-it-alls bragging you got him. Up to the cap cieling all these years and such a lousy team. What a disgrace.

    • mcphillthy - Sep 27, 2013 at 8:56 PM

      Aww. He sounds angry.

    • President Charles Logan - Sep 27, 2013 at 8:56 PM

      Streit will be alot better then Matt Carle ever was

    • phillyphanatic77 - Sep 27, 2013 at 9:01 PM

      What a joke of a comment. Dude if you were actually aware of what ppl in Philly think you’d know that about half (maybe more) of the fanbase wasn’t pleased with the Streit deal. Please show us where we’re “bragging”… I’d love to see some examples. If you weren’t living in your own little Flyers-hate bubble you’d be able to see that Flyers fans are cautiously optimistic about this years team after last seasons debacle. But keep spewing the uninformed hate cuz it’s just making you look like an idiot.

      • broadstreetsbaddest88 - Sep 27, 2013 at 9:55 PM

        Multiplemiggs sounds like a bitter islanders fan that’s still not over his captain and one of there best defensemen leavin for the flyers. Not one flyers fan bragged on this site when we signed him and majority like phillyphan said were actually pissed at the length and cap hit. All the islanders fans had nothing but good things to say about the dude. I’d say its time to let reality set in cause he aint comin back. Get over it

      • ericcoyle15 - Sep 28, 2013 at 12:19 AM

        you dont know philly at all bro its more then being mad at a singing or a GM we love our teams when they suck and when their great thats what it takes to be a true fan and in philly we got true fans by the truck loads so dont come on here disrespecting our city well see who has the last laugh at the end of the season and streit was a great signing we needed a puck moving d man and thats what we got \…….and what do you mean declining years in hockey years he is still in his prime he was drafted in 2004 when he was 25 or 26 meaning he doesnt have the ware and tare of guys that have been playing the blue line since they were 18-19

  8. mclovinhockey - Sep 27, 2013 at 8:58 PM

    They do have to make a move, prob Mez,

    If they could put pronger on LTIR first they would be fine. Maybe they put any player on a 2-way contract down to clear cap but don’t think that will work.

  9. President Charles Logan - Sep 27, 2013 at 9:08 PM

    I think Coburn’s just become kind of a tired act , doesnt play with any fire like he used to … seems like he’s just been a “staple” with the defense for too long and has gotten too “comfortable” with his play

  10. jimw81 - Sep 27, 2013 at 9:33 PM

    flyers problem is coaching issue. Kevin McCarthy has done nothing but destroyed this team. btw the it’s the wrong title of the article it’s “In need of cap space, could Flyers be looking for an Identity”?

  11. crazemastercraze - Sep 27, 2013 at 10:30 PM

    They’ll trade a d man and sign three more goalies to be $1 under the cap. All said goalies will receive 7 year deals each

  12. mattyo99 - Sep 28, 2013 at 2:34 AM

    Heres my D for the flyers:
    Timonen Schenn
    Striet Grossman
    Gus Lauridsen
    Screw it!! Trade Couburn and Mezaros
    Flyers should just rebuild, i am a die hard flyers fan..little worried about this squad.there is one or two key pieces missing

    • bigjohnniedoe - Sep 28, 2013 at 1:36 PM

      Here’s the problem with the logic of trading Coburn and Meszaros: you need a trade partner to make a trade happen. If a team sees that both of these players are overpaid (which we will both agree, they are) and that the Flyers are dumping them for that exact reason, then they aren’t gonna take them. Coburn is ridiculously overpaid at 4.5m and Meszaros is equally as bad at $4m. Sure there are teams well under the cap that have room, but these are teams are traditionally have their own self-imposed cap and never spend to the limit.

      The problem is, who do you trade? Streit and Lecavalier shouldn’t be an option. Nothing like signing a player for 4-5 years and trading them before they play a game. Would definitely send the wrong message to the organization. Then again, this is the Flyers, who chose to move Richards and Carter after signing them to long-term deals. Same goes for Hartnell, although I think he’d be the last player they’d move since he’s a fan favorite. I don’t believe Talbot doesn’t give enough room to get back under the cap, or if he does it won’t be enough to have any roster flexibility throughout the season.

  13. flyguys21 - Sep 28, 2013 at 3:03 AM

    Here’s a thought. Since Laughton isn’t going to have a impact how about a package with him mez or couborn or both and a pick or 2 and get weber. Or package some of these young players and Colby or mez for vanek. I’d just feel we are one stud player away from having a real shot. We need a proven goal scorer that scores 35 to 40 goals a year. If we can’t find that let’s trade a couple players and prospects for a top 4 dman. We have a lot of legit young prospects so we can make a big deal for a stud without completely hurting our farm system. Is yandle a possibility? Are there any top tier players even available?

    • predsfan75 - Sep 28, 2013 at 9:22 AM

      If Holmgren didn’t do the offer sheet, then Weber could be a Flyer right now. That said, it would’ve taken much more than bit players before and much more than that now. (Before it is said in reply- yes I know Weber signed the sheet…).

  14. flyguys21 - Sep 28, 2013 at 3:09 AM

    I’d even goes as far as trading a bunch of guys for weber. If we had him pronged would be replaced. if he never got hurt our team would be a serious contender. would it even be worth getting Ryan Miller? How about over paying for suban? Lol. just throwing a lot out there but I feel we are in position to make a substantial move.

    • bigjohnniedoe - Sep 28, 2013 at 1:54 PM

      Every one of those options are unlikely. There is a reason that the Preds matched the Flyers’ offer sheet last season. If they weren’t willing to take a handful of first rounders for Weber, they weren’t gonna take roster players for him. Sure you can bring up the point about legit NHL roster players over “can’t miss” first rounders, but Nashville also works under their own cap number.

      Ryan Miller? Why trade when you can pick him up in free agency next year? Even if you trade for him this year, you’re gonna have to move a ton of money to accommodate a roster spot for him.

      Overpaying for Subban? You do realize that the Flyers are against the cap, right?

      By the looks of it, you have 6m to replace 3 defensemen and 2 goalies. Even if the cap goes up to a rumored $70m – which I have my doubts, but I’ll work with this scenario given – and you want to overpay for P-K, let’s say the Flyers offer $6.5 for him. You now have $5.5m to sign 2 defenseman and 2 goalies. Don’t forget you also have RFAs Brayden Schenn who currently makes 3.11m and Erik Gustafsson, who currently makes $1m. Even if you tender them a 10% raise each, you’re looking at 4.5m. This now leaves you with a million to sign 4 players, which just is not possible. Oh, I almost forgot Steve Mason, who is making $1.5m.

  15. flyguys21 - Sep 28, 2013 at 3:23 AM

    OK trade mez or Colby with Laughton or cousins and a pick or 2 for vanek. This gives us a stud winger to play with giroux or Vinny. It bumps a winger down a line and if its true buffalo would pay some of his salary and cap hit it would be a great move. with the cap going up drastically next year it would make resigning him a no brainer. And giroux has the winger he needs. I’d even give up schen or Hartnell in a package to get him .

    • bullwinkle88 - Sep 28, 2013 at 4:13 AM

      If you want to trade with Buffalo, Couturier has to be in the deal. Buffalo’s been after him since he was drafted, but Holmgren considers him untouchable.

      That’s why a deal with Buffalo probably won’t be done.

  16. flyguys21 - Sep 28, 2013 at 3:43 AM

    Or we could call Toronto and try to get phaneuf or my other player to put us over the top in kessel. We have the depth to make such a move and a giroux kessel combo for 8 years would be sick!!

    • bigjohnniedoe - Sep 28, 2013 at 1:55 PM

      You have no idea how a salary cap works, do you?

      • flyguys21 - Sep 28, 2013 at 2:12 PM

        Obviously any deals would have to include salary. Mez 4 mil. Colb. 4.5. Hartnell 4.5. Yes I know they have the cap to deal with

    • sizzle299 - Sep 29, 2013 at 10:23 AM

      Is this flyguys serious with these posts?

  17. flyersf1 - Sep 28, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    Mez Must Go!

  18. bluesfan41 - Sep 28, 2013 at 8:03 PM

    Article is rather dumb. They are over, they have to be down in 2 days, and I am sure they would rather trade a good, NHL level player as opposed to just releasing them or putting them in the minors. Rather dumb, they HAVE to make some moves so I am sure they would rather see a return on the players they will have to get rid of one way or the other.

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