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Flyers GM Holmgren: Cleary has ‘no promises’ for contract

Sep 10, 2013, 11:55 AM EST

Paul Holmgren AP

Despite reports to the contrary, the Flyers say Dan Cleary has no guaranteed deal in place.

That’s what GM Paul Holmgren told the Philadelphia Inquirer on Tuesday, saying “there are no promises” for a Cleary contract — this despite Monday’s report claiming the Flyers will sign the 34-year-old to a three-year, $8.25 million deal.

Holmgren said Cleary is only in Philadelphia on a professional try out (PTO) for training camp, which will begin on Sept. 12 at Wells Fargo Center.

It’s possible Holmgren is toeing the line with regards to tampering/cap circumvention.

The Flyers are currently over the cap and won’t be able to officially sign Cleary until Chris Pronger goes on long-term injured reserve — so while there might be a “handshake deal” in place, Holmgren isn’t going to go public with such details.

Cleary, who has spent the last eight years in Detroit, turned down an offer from the Wings to head to their training camp on a PTO.

He cited the need for stability (and the fact he’d already been offered guaranteed deals), adding the only reason he waited so long to join another club was because he wanted to remain in Detroit.

UPDATE: Here’s the official word on Cleary’s status, from the Flyers website…

Cleary signed a PTO with the Flyers Tuesday and will be in camp with the team Thursday. This likely means the Flyers will not bring Simon Gagne to camp on a tryout.

If the Flyers want to sign Cleary – or Gill for that matter – they’ll have to clear some cap space first, which could be on Sept. 30, when Chris Pronger is oficially moved to the long-term injury list and his money comes off the salary cap.

  1. hockey412 - Sep 10, 2013 at 11:58 AM

    Makes perfect sense. PTO must be all it is.

    And maybe Pronger will return this season.

    • ethanmacleod1685 - Sep 10, 2013 at 12:57 PM

      Prongers done, let it go, just let it go…

      • hockey412 - Sep 10, 2013 at 1:24 PM

        I wasn’t being serious, I was just referring to Holmgren’s smoke screens (and no, I wouldn’t do it any different if I were him).

  2. gregman98 - Sep 10, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    Cleary or not, the Phailers are going to be bottom-dwellers in the Metro division this season.

    • mcphillthy - Sep 10, 2013 at 12:06 PM

      Lol. I bet you follow Ryan Lambert and his blogs too, don’t you? :-P

      • gregman98 - Sep 10, 2013 at 6:10 PM

        “…it was a bad dream”.

        FINALLY, a Failers fan who admits to be self-deluded.

        Kudos to you!

    • flyers22 - Sep 10, 2013 at 12:12 PM

      Lay off the drugs dude if you knew anything about hockey or the flyers you would know they aren’t going to be bottom dwellers

      • gregman98 - Sep 10, 2013 at 12:15 PM

        What? Unlike last year, when the Failers had ONE more point that the last-placed team in their division??? In your mind that didn’t really happen…was just a bad dream????

      • flyers22 - Sep 10, 2013 at 12:43 PM

        Hahaha right dude if your looking at what happened last year when our entire defense was hurt on top of guys like giroux and hartnell being hurt on top of a short season then that really shows how little knowledge you have when we upgraded at forward d and tending you can easily look at the roster and see how this team is built to win if you don’t believe me u will see in a few weeks when the season starts. Have fun eating those words

      • phillyphanatic77 - Sep 10, 2013 at 12:44 PM

        Actually, it was like a bad dream. Everything that could go wrong, did go wrong. This team is much closer to the 11-12 100+ pt team than 12-13 underachievers. And it could be argued that the current version is actually more talented than they were in 11-12. I guarantee this club will not be anywhere close to the bottom of the metro. There’s way too much talent. The Flyers have improved goaltending, their defense, and their forwards. If they don’t finish top 3, I believe they’ll atleast get a wildcard spot. There’s a lot to be optimistic about and Cleary fills out a deep and talented top-9. Keep hating cuz you’ll be proven wrong.

      • jl9830 - Sep 10, 2013 at 12:44 PM

        As a non-trolling serious hockey fan, I also think the Flyers will not be very good this season. They have a serious lack of goaltending and defense. As an Islanders fan, you guys should be careful relying on Mark Streit. He’ll help the PP, but you already had Timonen for that. Streit is bad in his own zone, and at 36 years old, took another step back defensively last year.

        I just simply don’t see what some people see in the Flyers. Again, not trying to troll; just really don’t think they’re headed anywhere but 6th or 7th in the Metro division this year.

      • mcphillthy - Sep 10, 2013 at 1:06 PM

        The flyers are far from bottom dwellers. Last year was a nightmare and our entire D corp was crippled with injuries. Along with our war forward. Plus put Bryz inner and that’s a recipe for disaster. This team is healthy now and has upgraded all positions across the board. Keep hating on Philly but don’t be surprised when we are there in the post season.

      • gregman98 - Sep 10, 2013 at 2:20 PM

        “We had “injuries”, “a short season” a “$hitty goalie”…what NOVEL EXCUSES.

        PS: You forgot to blame bad officiating, poor ice quality and playing in a year ending in the number thirteen.

      • narfmoo12 - Sep 10, 2013 at 2:32 PM

        So to recap this thread… An Isles fan thinks the Flyers have goaltending issues, which apparently means that he thinks Nabokov is better than Mason and Emery. Also, the fact that Grossman, Coburn, and Meszaros combined to miss 70 games is “an excuse” and should be ignored when looking at this year’s team. Another “excuse” to be ignored is that Bryz is gone and was replaced with two new goalies. That first troll doesn’t seem to realize that putting Streit on the third pair with PP minutes is different than being 1st pair on the Islanders, and will make his stats better, not to mention will be a huge upgrade over Gervais. Both of these trolls forget that adding LeCavalier is a huge upgrade over Briere (and his inevitable injury replacement). Good work trolls!

    • laxman1944 - Sep 10, 2013 at 7:56 PM

      “Gregman98″……….bottom dweller of humanity

  3. hy3rid28 - Sep 10, 2013 at 12:09 PM

    He said pretty much the same thing about streit before he could officially announce it, its a done deal. I dont like this either i would rather see laughton or mcginn for sure.

    • mcphillthy - Sep 10, 2013 at 12:26 PM

      Agreed. Cleary is just taking up space and time that a younger player could be growing into. I could see adding a guy like Cleary if we were that close to a cup but we aren’t with our defense. It’s better to let the kids play and develop. We are definitely a playoff team this year though.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Sep 10, 2013 at 12:55 PM

        Even at this stage of his career I believe Cleary will be more productive than McGinn would have been. McGinn showed flashes but IDK if he’s proven enough to considered a surefire full-time NHLer. Despite what Holmgren says they probably have a handshake deal in place while he attempts to move salary. And This team already has a lot of young talent in the lineup so Cleary can bring Stanley Cup experience, score a few goals, and even kill penalties. He’s coming off a down year (like a lot of players) but he’s a productive playoff performer. He scored 9 goals during the regular season so he could pot 15-20 over a full campaign. And he put up 10pts in 14 playoff games, which is valuable. Plus, like I said in the other article, Laughton is still just 19 so he could benefit from another season of playing 1st line minutes with Oshawa.

        3years for a soon to be 35yr old is obviously questionable but you can’t say Cleary won’t improve this club, especially in the postseason.

  4. pitpenguinsrulez - Sep 10, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    Tops in the Metro Division; Pens and Isles and after that its a toss up. The Crapitals let a good bit of guys walk, they did nothing to improve aside from Grabowski. The Devils are an uncertainty. The Hurricanes could possibly get the third team as long they aren’t run down with injuries like last season. The Rangers have underachieving stars and with a new head coach. The Flyers are going to either hit it good and be at the top 2 or are going to struggle…hard to say. As for Columbus I view them as the darkhorse in this division. They could easily be a threat to any of the other three teams.

    • mcphillthy - Sep 10, 2013 at 12:30 PM

      I see Pitt taking the top seed and Philly right behind them. I don’t seethe isles or rangers redoing what they did last season. I completely agree that Columbus is the dark horse and is the team to watch. Jersey is jersey so you never know what will happen with them. But I think this year is the year for the state of PA and it would be one heck of a play off battle once again. I look forward to this season.

      • jl9830 - Sep 10, 2013 at 12:52 PM

        Lol. How do you not see the Isles redoing what they did last season? Their best players are like 22-25 years old. If anything, they’re only going to be better. You’re living in a fantasy thinking the Isles will just revert to playing poorly again.

        On the other hand, look at Philly’s goaltending. Mason and Emery. Are you sure you’re comfortable with that? Both are extremely subpar goalies. Now on defense, you have the same subpar defense as last season, except now add Mark Streit, who is 36 and only getting worse in his own zone, where he was never very good to begin with. I simply don’t see it with the Flyers. I think the Penguins, Islanders, Rangers, and Capitals are all better.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Sep 10, 2013 at 1:03 PM

        How are you comfortable with your goaltenders after last season? Nabokov collapsed and had subpar numbers in the regular season. And you have no legitimate backup. Even with the questions I’d take the Flyers netminders over the Isles. As for the D… we played 13 different guys and 4 goalies last season. If they stay healthy our D will not be as bad as ppl are assuming. And honestly the Isles blueline isn’t very deep either. You’ve got Visnovsky, Mcdonald, and Hamonic and then it drops off dramatically. You got bluechip prospects, but they’re not NHL ready. And the Flyers absolutely are deeper up front. They have 3 lines that can consistently put the puck in net and a very disruptive 4th line. I think the Flyers and Isles both finish top-4 in the Metro. But don’t count us out bc of a down HALF season. Also don’t think the Isles are worldbeaters bc they barely got into the playoffs as the 8th seed and they were only a few points ahead of us, despite our absurd amount of man games lost.

      • narfmoo12 - Sep 10, 2013 at 2:34 PM

        Emery went 17-1 with a sub-2.00 GAA … how is that “extremely subpar” ??? Step away from the computer and try to re-enroll in high school. Being a high school drop out will make your life so much harder, and the rest of us will inevitably have to support you financially.

      • mcphillthy - Sep 10, 2013 at 6:00 PM

        The islanders make the playoffs for the first time in a decade and islander fans start talking crap. Lol. This is beautiful. They haven’t been able to say anything for so long. It must feel good to attempt to trash talk other teams. Keep going, Lil buddy. I know its been a looooooooong time for you. Just next time try to educate yourself about hockey before you come trolling on these boards. Enjoy it until the season starts. :)

    • mcphillthy - Sep 10, 2013 at 1:42 PM

      Lol. JL said the capitals are better. Dude I can’t even take you seriously beyond this point now =-O :-!

      • ibieiniid - Sep 10, 2013 at 4:31 PM

        to be fair, the Caps made the playoffs last year, the Flyers didn’t.

        god that hurts to say.

      • mcphillthy - Sep 10, 2013 at 5:56 PM

        That was because of the division they played in, which is no longer around. Easy division to win last year. Plus as discussed we had way too many injuries last year and a disaster in the net (but we wouldnt be Philly if we didn’t have a disaster in the crease) lol. I expect better things this year for my orange and black

  5. iHeartHockey31 - Sep 10, 2013 at 9:22 PM

    Am I the only one that sees what’s going on here?

    Maybe the team has a REALLY big trade deal in the works, which has to wait for Pronger [and maybe Mez] to be listed on the IR in order to go through, at which time, if it’s a REALLY big trade, could see our roster thinning out. Cleary & Gil & Gagne are all backfill for the players headed out. They’re going to training camp on a ‘PTO’ so they can train with the team and be ready to sign & join once something goes down.

    The only players that are really safe are the ones whose pictures they put on the season tickets:
    Giroux, Timonen, Simmonds, Hartnell, Couturier, Voracek & Lecavalier.

    How often have the Flyers ever had long time NHL players on ‘PTO’ for training camp? There had to be a good reason for all of this. Hopefully they’ve got something going on with somebody we could really use here…

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