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Latest bid to stop Coyotes sale fails again

Aug 3, 2013, 12:35 PM EDT

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There’s not much left to do in Glendale to keep the Coyotes there.

Glendale resident Ken Jones and his group of citizens failed, for the third time, to get enough signatures to bring the Coyotes deal to a vote. As Caitlin McGlade of the Arizona Republic hears it from Jones, he felt he was trying to save the city from itself.

“We did not want Glendale to become a miniature Detroit,” Jones said, adding the job was “just too big” for the volunteers.

“They are better citizens than those that did nothing. Shame on those who stood silently by like sheep,” he said.

Jones and his group had to amass 7,000 signatures to bring the Coyotes deal to a city-wide vote but he says he only got three-fourths that amount.

His reference to Detroit is due to that city declaring bankruptcy recently. Of course, Detroit also approved finances to build a new arena for the Detroit Red Wings so maybe the parallels are already a bit too strong.

With this latest effort to block the sale now over with, it’s up to the Ice Arizona group to complete the sale and for the NHL Board of Governors to approve it. The potential ownership group has until Monday, August 5 to complete the sale.

  1. endusersolutions2013 - Aug 3, 2013 at 12:41 PM

    If they don’t get the financing finalized (harder since the City’s lessened “debtworthyness” has increased interest expense if my memory is correct), it’s time to say, “We tried, the NHL will operate one more year in Phoenix then move it to Portland, which has the interest, fan base and NHL-ready stadium).

    I’m not from the NW, just having followed this sad saga for years, it’s time to get on with something viable.

    • kaptaanamerica - Aug 3, 2013 at 1:14 PM

      Anyone who follows the coyotes saga on these boards knows that i have been unfailingly behind keeping them there.I think it’s a potential hockey market if the team can establish some stability and a winning culture.that’s something i think the Gretzky years wasted and believe bad coaching in the early years has contributed immensely to the instability of the franchise.

      However, even i have grown weary of this story. If they can’t find and put solid new ownership in place,the team should go to Portland and a new franchise should be awarded to Seattle for 2015-2016. This would solve the imbalance in divisions at the same time.

      • kaptaanamerica - Aug 3, 2013 at 1:54 PM

        Oh and when the divisions are balanced out, there is no way that the Canucks should ever be moved out of the Pacific. I’d much rather play the california teams than the alberta teams. much better road trips and the games are on t.v. at an appropriate time.
        Pacific: Canucks, Metropolitans (Seattle), Coyotes (Phoenix/ Portland), Sharks, Kings, Ducks, Calgary, Edmonton

        Whoever is added via expansion in future such as Toronto (Oak Leaves?)/ Quebec goes into the Central division to balance that division.

      • phxhockeyfan - Aug 3, 2013 at 2:04 PM

        What does Ken Jones failing, a tool with ties to the Goldwater Institute, have to do with your statement? They have an owner, Ice Edge. So they have found ownership, Gretzky has been gone for 4 years, and the arena lease is settled. This story was about Ken Jones failing and nothing more. He failed because the vast majority of Glendale citizens WANTS the team to stay. BTW he barely got a 1000 signatures and they were all invalid anyway because the idiot forgot to properly label the petitions before gathering signatures (he made the same mistake during the e1st failed referendum attempt, so yes he’s an idiot).

      • soldierone - Aug 3, 2013 at 3:04 PM

        Are you guys actually reading the article or just bypassing it to look stupid? THEY HAVE AN OWNER, its being finalized Monday…..

      • endusersolutions2013 - Aug 3, 2013 at 3:58 PM

        KaptnA, Quebec in the Central makes no sense – DET or CLS would make more sense, and they’d oppose it prime time as it’s back to the time zone challenge. And think of the air logistics – Dallas Quebec would be nasty (1,647 crow flies miles), especially given the customs aspect. In contrast, LA to Vancouver is ONLY 1080. You just can’t consider teams 1,700+ real miles away to be in the same division.

        The only way to balance the league is to have 16/16 with 16 ETZ teams and 16 Non ETZ teams.

      • kaptaanamerica - Aug 3, 2013 at 8:50 PM

        Ok, so i put my comments on this article cuz it’s the latest coyotes article and because it says financing still has to close by Monday, which no one knows if it will.If it does great! I WANT the coyotes to stay onPhoenix area.

        Second, with Portland and potentially Seattle in the mix for franchises i don’t want the Canucks to ever move out of the Pacific.If Phoenix has a team then only one of Portland or Seattle will likely get a franchise, however if both get franchises then Phoenix would need to move to the central.

        However it’s been wildly speculated that Toronto/ Quebec city will get a team. That team is gonna have to play in the central if that div is still short a team. If two new teams are added in the west then of course the new eastern team will play in that conference.

      • ishiibrad - Aug 4, 2013 at 8:43 AM

        Do not throw the great one under the bus for this drama that Buttman made. Gretz threw in a lot of sweat ,time and his own money to help the Coyotes and the NHL work there. The Great one has done a lot more for the NHL then the NHL has done for him since he retired from playing.

    • soldierone - Aug 3, 2013 at 3:02 PM

      If you actually followed it you would know the parts of the sale dealing with the city was done Friday. The deal is being finalized and being announced on Monday by the NHL. The Coyotes have an owner and are staying in Glendale.

  2. mrminkus - Aug 3, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    I wish the NHL would take your advise endusersolutions2013! Unfortunately, when this latest attempt to save the Coyotes collapses, like the flimsy financial house of cards it is built on, Gary will just dig his heels in that much more. Since he will have no choice but to operate the team in Glendale for the 2013/14 season, he will no doubt reboot efforts to find another chump to keep the franchise there. … hello Mr Balkan?

  3. chanceoffleury1 - Aug 3, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    I feel like I live in between 2 paradox universes and in 1 the Coyotes are sold but in the other they are not. I live in this constant state of the Coyotes “final decision” coming in 1 week, but then 2 weeks later I’m reading an article about how there is a new potential buyer on the negotiation table. It’s weird and confusing……

    • bcsteele - Aug 3, 2013 at 1:25 PM

      …You are now entering….the twilight zone…

  4. innout10 - Aug 3, 2013 at 1:20 PM

    The deal is closing Monday

  5. thailer35 - Aug 3, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    I honestly don’t get why this guy Ken Jones cares so much. He’s so old he’ll barely even be around long enough for this all to happen. Not trying to be mean, just saying the last thing I will care about when I’m his age is what my city government is doing with their budget.

  6. MyTeamsAllStink - Aug 3, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    wow,when’s the last time you saw a city want to get rid of a team but they wouldn’t go?Seems Ike the only ones who want the Coyotes in Phoenix is Gary Bettman.

  7. vstar1us - Aug 3, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    Call Paul Allen, tell him you got a team for Portland cheap and move them NOW!
    It may be the only thing that can help the failing NHL Coyotes.

    • endusersolutions2013 - Aug 3, 2013 at 3:14 PM

      And since it would be to a city with the fan base, and ownership that can actually afford it, and on west coast, their travel would not increase, it would likely decrease, especially aster Seattle lands an expansion team.

  8. blackhawks2010 - Aug 3, 2013 at 1:58 PM

    Enough already, Seattle awaits. The charade of Hockey in Arizona needs to end, the fan base there clearly doesn’t support NHL hockey, the track record speaks for itself. They haven’t supported the team before, anyone who thinks that will change now needs to have their heads examined.

    Bring Hockey to a City in which it will be supported and thrive, not a City where people go to retire.

    • phxhockeyfan - Aug 3, 2013 at 2:08 PM

      Unlike Chicago, were people go to freeze, get mugged and get shot!

      • endusersolutions2013 - Aug 3, 2013 at 3:21 PM

        How about a city with a proven record in supporting pro teams. For example, look at the support the Cubs have despite their lack of success most years. Look at support for da Bears, Hawks and da Bulls.

        But agreed, the city is reaping the destruction caused by the welfare state. Two generations that have been raised in many parts of the city by single moms. Few good role models, few personal enterprise/responsibiulities in many areas.

        Not a racist statement. During the Johnson administration, not then Senator Danial Patrick Monahan was asked to study what would help improve the future of the black community. His well researched recommendation was to do what we could to strengthen the black families. Instead we came up with welfare, which effectively destroyed 2 parent, marriwed, stable families over a decade.

    • soldierone - Aug 3, 2013 at 3:14 PM

      Phoenix is the 4th largest city in the country. (Seattle has 600k people, Phoenix has 1.5 million people) Fact 1 to prove idiotic statement.
      Seattle has lost sports teams, and can’t even entice an NBA team to move there. Fact 2 to prove idiotic statement.

      Phoenix has a TV market that thriving, and the NHL see’s the potential in that. Seattle is boring, who would want to go there to watch hockey? At least Arizona has nice weather during the season and if you want to retire here, then go ahead. It’s a lot better than rednecking it out in the rain.

      • endusersolutions2013 - Aug 3, 2013 at 3:38 PM

        If you’re gonna post facts, please lets do it in integrity. 1st if you’re looking at actual CITY size, you’d have to quote the size for GLENDALE.

        What can be quoted in integrity is sizes of the METRO areas, as that is what matters most.

        #13 Seattle – 4.4 mil
        #15 Phoenix – 4.3 mil
        #20 Portland – 3 mil

        One of the problems with Glendale, is that the arena is in Glendale, the west side of Glendale. Something in Phoenix with good transportation, Scottsdale or Tempe might have worked.

      • DonkeyStick - Aug 3, 2013 at 3:39 PM

        ^^^^^Fact 3 to prove idiotic statement:

        1. New York, New York (pop 8,213,839)
        2. Los Angeles, California (pop 3,794,640)
        3. Chicago, Illinois (pop 2,824,584)
        4. Houston, Texas (pop 2,076,189)

        Where is Phoenix on this list?

      • phxhockeyfan - Aug 3, 2013 at 5:29 PM

        End user…please the reality is that Glendale is for all intensive purposes a suburb of Phoenix. The 4.5 million figure is for the Phoenix metropolitan area. You can drive 5 minutes and officially be in Phoenix from the stadium. You obviously don’t live here, so why are you commenting on it? At least I’ve been to Chicago. I’ve even seen a Blackhawks game there. Why? Because I like hockey. So tired of all these so called hockey fans bashing Phoenix who have never been here, know less than half the facts, and just like regurgitating the same old move to Quebec, move to Seattle, there are no fans in Phoenix nonsense. Why don’t you make a visit, catch a game, and see for yourself how it is here before making judgements.

      • endusersolutions2013 - Aug 3, 2013 at 6:33 PM

        Phx fan, I’ve actually been there on business multiple times, supporting two hospitals in the metro. So am also familiar with the growth being to the east and north of the city primarially. I’m NOT recommending Quebec or Toronto due to the worsing of the geographic balance.

        If you’d seen all my posts on the topic, I’ve never said a franchise can’t make it there, fans won’t support…You’re probably frustrated by a lot of that, but don’t lump all the comments into one collective mindset. And I’ve also seen ownership fail, and new attempts at purchasing fail.

        I’m also seeing significant debt-based entanglement. Either a cluyb can make it there or it can’t . Continuing the saga as it stands year after year makes no sense.

        I note that the new proposed owners have a 5 year out clause – think they have their doubts, and may be thinking this may be the cheap0est way they can buy a franchise that is ultimately “movable”.

        (FYI, whenever I say that it makes no sense to expand to Quebec or Toronto metro due the thr furthering in league imbalance, I know I’m going to get thumbs down, and I also note that none of the supports have yet tried to refure my logic. The only way having a club there makes sense is if one of the other SE expansion teams moves there).

    • dallasstars9 - Aug 3, 2013 at 3:15 PM

      Portland has a better chance than Seattle in this deal, for once. Bring back the Rosebuds!

  9. chiadam - Aug 3, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    Enough of this already, please. Just make it stop. If you have to try over and over and over and over and over again to make your city a viable hockey market, your city is not a viable hockey market.

    • soldierone - Aug 3, 2013 at 3:08 PM

      Pretty sure they are still in their first attempt at “trying” to make it a market….. I mean its only been one ownership saga, and this is Arizona where the politicians are more stupid than the thugs in Detroit……

      And doing what they have accomplished without an owner, I could only imagine what they will do with an owner.

  10. vstar1us - Aug 3, 2013 at 2:15 PM

    Go Portland Torpedo’s welcome to the NHL

  11. ballistictrajectory - Aug 3, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    “We did not want Glendale to become a miniature Detroit,” Jones said…

    Really? Detroit is in the condition it’s in due to the hockey team and their arena? Wow. Wow again.

    I guess the airbase does nothing for the local economy. Glendale must be a complete wasteland of derelict buildings, graffiti, and crime ridden neighborhoods and has no hope of ever prospering again [sarcasm].

  12. mjw9326mjw9326 - Aug 3, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    As much as I detested the Nordiques, if the league wants a successful franchise with ravid fans, Quebec City is the natural choice.

    • endusersolutions2013 - Aug 3, 2013 at 3:44 PM

      I keep hearing that. And folks talk about fanbase and enthusiam. And none of the posts I’ve read supporting Quebec or metro Totonto deal with the fundimental problem that the league is ALREADY imbalanced eastern TZ vs the rest, which is reflected in teh conference allignment. If you move PHX to either, not you’ve gone from 16/14 to 17/13.

      Are you going to force Detroit and Columbus back to the western C?

      If ya’ll are not facing tht problem, I think the league is profoundly aware of it.

  13. buffal0sportsfan - Aug 3, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    Wow what a douche

  14. soldierone - Aug 3, 2013 at 3:06 PM

    Lmao I always thought the elderly were supposed to be smarter? Jones proves that point wrong entirely. under what circumstance is Glendale becoming Detroit? Really? Time for your nap old man, 3rd times a charm. Now shut up.

    • endusersolutions2013 - Aug 3, 2013 at 3:46 PM

      I’m not agreeing with him, and he may well have been talking about the ultimately of debt and fiscal irresponsibility.

  15. jcmeyer10 - Aug 3, 2013 at 3:10 PM

    What bums me out about the whole situation is that there are two viable Western conference locations that would be instantly welcomed into the rivalry fast track, and would ease travel on West coast teams.

    It’s not like Glendale is the Alamo of the NHL in the West.

  16. thegonz13 - Aug 4, 2013 at 9:21 AM

    Teams in Phoenix have historically failed. Name the league, the team -mostly known as “Roadrunners”- has been a failure and has folded like an accordeon.

    The Coyotes are no different. No disrespect to the folks in Arizona but it’s just not a hockey market. Sorry!

  17. hikinghistorian - Aug 4, 2013 at 9:23 PM

    You can compare yourself with Detroit when your hockey team has 11 Stanley Cup championships.

  18. wings11cups - Aug 5, 2013 at 9:34 AM

    Maybe certain people should educate themselves on the issues that Detroit faces. Yes there a plenty of issues in Detroit, but stop throwing crap out on the Internet if you don’t know. Detroit DID NOT approve the arena, the Michigan Strategic Fund Board of Directors did, the MSF is a State body, not Detroit. The State of Michigan approved the arena, NOT Detroit. There is a difference.

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