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Are Flyers Brayden Schenn, Matt Read next in line for extensions?

Jul 21, 2013, 7:20 PM EDT

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On the heels of Sean Couturier‘s cheap contract extension, Philadelphia Flyers fans might wonder: who’s next?

The Philadelphia Inquirer targets two other young, promising players with one year left on their current contracts: Brayden Schenn and Matt Read.

Read, 27, could become an unrestricted free agent if the Flyers don’t sign him to a contract extension. This coming season will be his third in the NHL, but he’s made the most of his time so far, scoring 35 goals and 71 points in 121 games.

He averaged a shade more than 18 minutes per game in 2013, so his agent could argue he’s worth quite a bit. Then again, the Flyers might be wise to seek a “prove it” season since he’s managed an impressive – but perhaps unsustainable – 15.4 percent shooting efficiency so far.

Schenn is one of those players who has generated hype for long enough that it’s surprising he’s only 21. He generated a career-high 26 points in 47 games in 2013 after managing 18 in 54 during his first campaign with Philly in 2011-12.

Unlike Bemidji State University product/undrafted free agent Read, Schenn shares Couturier’s distinction of being a high draft pick. That hype might give Schenn a little boost at the negotiating table.

With Read’s potential unrestricted status and the looming possibility of a breakthrough for Schenn, one can see why the Flyers might want to follow in the footsteps of the Couturier extension by snatching those two up sooner rather than later.

  1. tcclark - Jul 21, 2013 at 8:05 PM

    I don’t think either will get extensions. The Flyers can’t afford to keep Matt Read. His pay increase would be too large, but they could sign him to an extension and then trade him just like they did with JVR, Joffrey Lupul, Jeff Carter etc.

    As for Schenn, I think negotiations are going to be tough between the two sides. He’s going to want a raise from his entree level deal, but considering he’s already making over 3 million per year on that deal, it is tough to fathom a raise based on his production so far. Frankly, I think he’s overpaid at the moment considering Couturier’s contract, so giving him a raise is not something I’m too excited about. I think the Flyers will wait for Schenn to prove his worth this year before they give him a new contract.

    • narfmoo12 - Jul 21, 2013 at 8:31 PM

      You couldn’t be more wrong.

      1. Schenn is not making more than $3M/year. His cap hit is $3.1M because of potential bonuses put in by Los Angeles. He didn’t hit any of them in previous years and unless he makes a HUGE jump, he won’t hit them this year. His actual salary this year is only $810K. So Schenn could easily be under $2M per year because it will be actual money instead of inflated unreachable bonuses.

      2. Read could sign now for $3M/year and only represent a $2M jump on his cap hit, which is fine considering the Flyers have over $15M in cap space next year before an expected $5M jump.

      • tcclark - Jul 21, 2013 at 8:41 PM

        My bad. I was looking at the cap hit and not the salary. If he signs for less than the 3.1 that would be a relief.

        I still don’t think they can afford Matt Read though. They’ll have 15 million in cap space, but that’s without a goalie and three key defensemen unsigned. One defenseman will have to be a top pairing guy to replace Kimo and that could cost 7 million plus. Another defensman will probably be in the 3 million range and that leaves 5 million for 2 goalies and that’s not even counting Matt Read. 15 million goes quick when you’re spending it on defensemen and goalies.

      • narfmoo12 - Jul 21, 2013 at 8:52 PM

        Here’s how I look at next year, for what it’s worth. They have $15M in cap space, plus the jump in the cap, so estimate $20M in space. $5M goes to the goalie position, regardless of who it is, so now it’s $15M in cap space. They have Schenn, Streit, Grossmann, and Coburn, so they need 3 guys. Two of them are Gustafsson and Bourdon/Lauridsen, which will cost less than $2M total. So with the other $13M, they can re-sign Read (for a 2-2.5M jump), Schenn (for less than than $3.1M), and a top pair defenseman, and whatever else the team needs. Remember, they have guys in the system unlike previous years — Lauridsen, Bourdon, Alt, Raffl, Straka, etc.

      • tcclark - Jul 21, 2013 at 9:10 PM

        I agree on 5 million for the goalies, but I think you’re underestimating on Gus and Bourdon/Lauridsen. Gus is already making 1 million and if he plays the way he’s expected to, he could be at least 2 million by himself. That plus around a million for Bourdon/Lauridsen and you’re at 3 million. Let’s say a top pair defenseman costs 7 million(and we’re looking for a number one guy here), that leaves us with 5 million for Schenn, Read, and whatever else the team needs. It will be a tight fit getting all of those guys under contract and that’s with Pronger’s contract on LTIR . The team still needs to be under the salary cap before his contract goes on LTIR at the start of the season and that is going to be more difficult if we have to move 5 million dollars off the books for the first game. It just doesn’t seem likely to me. What seems most likely is trading Matt Read for a defenseman. The Flyers have a lot of scorers on the team and with a guy like Nick Cousins expected to make the jump soon, we may not need him. Just my opinion though. I’m not Paul Holmgren. He usually has a few tricks up his sleeve that we don’t know about.

      • narfmoo12 - Jul 21, 2013 at 9:22 PM

        Lauridsen is locked in for $600K for the next two seasons. It’ll be tight, but with the Flyers it’s always like that. And if Gus is worth $2M next year, that’s a really good thing because it means he had a great season and looked like the guy from the last month of the season and the World Championships.

      • tcclark - Jul 21, 2013 at 9:45 PM

        Defensemen are almost always overpaid. If Gus looks like the guy from the end of last year and is a regular the whole season. He could be making 3+ million. I mean, Gus played like a second pairing guy with Powerplay potential at the end of last year. Guys like that can get big money on the open market *cough* matt carle. 2 million, I think is extremely reasonable, and you don’t hear those words when you’re talking about contracts for defenseman.

      • bigwayne75 - Jul 22, 2013 at 4:04 PM

        The Flyers will be in trouble after this season, they have no goalie signed beyond this upcoming season. They want to contend they will need to get a good goalie and from the looks of it, good goalie aren’t coming cheap these days. Yes Pronger contract should be off the books some but Giroux salary jumps up by 5 mill, Couturier jumps about 400K.

        This is in trouble all offensive, no defensive, one goalie that isn’t that goalie and another you never know what you are going to get from him.

    • rkeister - Jul 21, 2013 at 8:43 PM

      haha, another example of someone who just visits and thinks he knows everything.

      • tcclark - Jul 21, 2013 at 8:52 PM

        I don’t pretend to know everything, i just express my opinion when I have a decent amount of information. I do get my cap information from capgeek (like most people) and tend to focus solely on cap hits since they’re what matter for a cap-strapped team like the Flyers. However, this situation doesn’t call for cap hits, it calls for base salary, and I admitted my mistake when called out on it. Comments like yours are a lot cooler when the person keeps arguing his point with the same wrong information.

      • laxman1944 - Jul 22, 2013 at 9:43 AM

        Why are you busting his b*lls???

        He is just posting his thoughts.

        Get a life…..outside of Mom’s basement

  2. lroc20 - Jul 21, 2013 at 8:28 PM

    He doesnt make 3 mill a yr, he has a base of about 900,000 and the other 2 million is incentive and bonus structured like all star selection or award winner etc. it has been that way every yr of his entry level deal. It does have a cap hit of 3 mill though

  3. President Charles Logan - Jul 21, 2013 at 9:16 PM

    B. Schenn is obviously over hyped and over rated and will never produce the HUGE numbers that his faithful following expect him to. I can see him turning into a grinding , defensive minded forward that can lay a big hit , PK and fore check like mad but since there’s seems to be all this potential upside to this kid, he may have to be dealt for a defensive defenseman … it takes something to bet something in return and i doubt alot of GM’s are banging Homers door down for Matt Read

    • narfmoo12 - Jul 21, 2013 at 9:21 PM

      At 21 years old, in his second season, Schenn was on a 50 point pace despite being bounced from center to wing to center depending on Briere’s health. Yeah, let’s give up on the guy at 21 years old because obviously that’s when players peak! It’s all downhill now!

      • phillyphanatic77 - Jul 21, 2013 at 9:40 PM

        Totally agree… for some reason Schenn gets beaten on by most fans. I think it’s because he was compared to Mike Richards when he was first acquired. Although Richards didn’t reach 35pts in either of his first two seasons, then broke out in his 3rd and 4th years. Schenn’s career looks to be following a similar path. That’s why it’s imperative to sign him for cheap now. I think 2yrs $5mil would be a fair bridge deal. Holmgren seems intent on keeping the young core of forwards intact, and I think that’s the right decision. So he’s probably already talking to Schenn’s agent.

        By the way, Charles Logan despises both Schenn brothers so it’s no surprise he sees no upside with them. I’ve had many fruitless arguments trying to convince him of their potential. He hates how overhyped they are, but it’s not their fault that fans and the media talked them up so much. Still, I think there’s a good chance BSchenn turns into a 25-30 goal power forward while LSchenn lives up to the Foote comparisons.

      • President Charles Logan - Jul 21, 2013 at 11:23 PM

        yeah thats why your own media says he had an awful year last year but hey what do i know right? lol

      • President Charles Logan - Jul 21, 2013 at 11:29 PM

        hey but dont worry about the defense though! nah! its fine! (note sarcasm) ..
        that was funny, L schenn ——adam foote , lol always good for a chuckle with ya 77

      • narfmoo12 - Jul 21, 2013 at 11:49 PM

        First, Schenn jumped from 0.33 points per game to 0.55ppg, which is a huge jump from the first to second year. Second, he is 21 years old and played 110 games (less than 1.5 seasons), and is already at a 50 point pace. I’m not looking for him to jump to 80 points but 60 points with 20-25 goals seems quite reasonable for this season based on the last two, especially if he is playing wing on LeCavalier’s line (assuming Vinny isn’t playing wing on the top line).

        Luke Schenn was a dominant player in the second half of the season. He started slow, but really picked it up, especially playing on the top pair. He finished +3, killed penalties and led defensemen in hits. He may have been a bust in the Toronto, but he certainly played well in Philly.

    • laxman1944 - Jul 22, 2013 at 9:54 AM

      Good grief “Pres”…..You have a problem with a young stay home blue-liner that will knock you on your a$$ and a 21 year old puppy that is just starting to find his way playing with the big boy’s.

      Better stick to “24” there big fella

      • President Charles Logan - Jul 22, 2013 at 11:28 AM

        i simply stated that b. schenn could be possible trade bait .. its not like i hate the girl or her sister luke, they are just over hyped . i cant wait for 24 to start back up again next may , right around the time the playoffs are in full swing and you guys are already knocked out cause of goaltending and defensive issues again

      • laxman1944 - Jul 22, 2013 at 12:14 PM

        Actually looking fwd. to it as well.

        As far as out of the playoffs……I would not bet on that.

        I’ll just play a wait and see a bit on that.

        I don’t think there quite there yet but they are on their way…..THAT you can bet on.

  4. dkphilly1122 - Jul 21, 2013 at 9:31 PM

    Schenn is 21…….. How is he overrated?? Because scouts compared him to Crosby and such and he is no where near that level?? He has plenty of time to grow, but he will never get to that status.

    • biasedhomer - Jul 21, 2013 at 10:51 PM

      Scouts compared Schenn to Crosby? I highly doubt that. If a player gets compared to Crosby, he most likely would be a unanimous #1 overall pick.

      • 19to77 - Jul 22, 2013 at 11:05 AM

        In fairness, he WAS hyped a lot at draft. Went #5 overall, described as either a smaller Getzlaf or a bigger Richards depending on who you asked. Very high praise begets very little patience for development. He’ll be good, but people gotta give him a couple more years to develop consistency.

  5. icelovinbrotha215 - Jul 21, 2013 at 10:55 PM

    Question for the people: you think Couts is trade bait given that he only signed a 2 year extension? The Flyers still need to clear cap space and I would imagine they are still looking for another D-man. I don’t want them to trade Couts but to have a young player under contract for a reasonable cap hit would be intriguing.

    • laxman1944 - Jul 22, 2013 at 10:00 AM

      No way they trade him. He is a part of the young core and future of this franchise.

      The kid could have been the top pick in the draft the year he came out but was sick (mono) and his stock dropped and Paul STOLE him with the Carter pick they got in trade.

      Read I think will be traded.

    • somekat - Jul 22, 2013 at 11:29 AM

      if the issue is cap space, why does trading a young guy who just signed a very team friendly deal make sense?

      • icelovinbrotha215 - Jul 22, 2013 at 6:07 PM

        I just saying that he looks more attractive to other teams because he will still be under contract for an additional two years. We shall see…

      • somekat - Jul 22, 2013 at 9:16 PM

        who cares? There is less of a chance of him being moved because they are up against the cap. Do you think you are going to find a guy to replace what he is going to do for you for under 2 million? Obviously not, let alone when you add in his upside

        Trading him would make an overrated cap issue a little more realistic

  6. girouxed - Jul 22, 2013 at 12:33 AM

    Yea they should be at least. There is nothing wrong with the offense here. Theyve got bigger fish to fry.

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