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PHT Morning Skate: Lindros time for the Hall of Fame?

Jul 8, 2013, 7:28 AM EST

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It’s summer so it feels more like an optional skate than a mandatory one. Light reading ahead.

The Hockey Hall of Fame will announce this year’s class of inductees on Tuesday. Is this the year former Flyers great Eric Lindros gets the call? (Toronto Sun)

Prospect camps are happening all over the league and the Red Wings can’t wait to get more of a look at Martin Frk. (Detroit Free Press)

How about Jaromir Jagr in Ottawa? That’d be a heck of a way to replace Daniel Alfredsson. (Ottawa Sun)

Pierre-Marc Bouchard has moved on from the Wild, but he’s more than thankful to the fans in Minnesota. (Star Tribune)

 

  1. matt14gg - Jul 8, 2013 at 7:41 AM

    He was a good player who should have been a lot better, but through no fault of his own he never became more than that. Hall of Fame? No way.

    • isithockeyseasonyet - Jul 8, 2013 at 8:00 AM

      Yeah he slept w brindamor’s wife and then brindamor got traded. He kept his insane father on as his agent and that caused huge problems as well. Big E was a great player pre concussion but there was PLENTY that was his fault

    • lonespeed - Jul 8, 2013 at 8:52 AM

      He certainly belongs to the Hall of ‘skate with your head down’ Fame.

  2. pone27 - Jul 8, 2013 at 8:10 AM

    Flat out deserves to be in. If guys like Bure make it, he hands down should as well.

    Not sure of Lindros’ career numbers, but has to be very highly ranked.

    If you grew up and got to watch Lindros, there is no doubt he was at one point the best player in the league by a pretty wide margin. His size, speed and hands were unmatched.

    Hope he gets in.

    • piro51869 - Jul 8, 2013 at 8:39 AM

      It will be a long time b4 he gets in. He had a few good years but was NEVER the best in the league. Lots of player were better than him when he played. Jagr, Lemieux, Messier, Gretsky, Shanahan, Roenick to name a few. The only reason he won Harts Trophy was because of shortened season. He doesn’t get my vote.

      • coopjr - Jul 8, 2013 at 9:48 AM

        “was NEVER the best in the league.”
        Except of course when he was.

        “The only reason he won Harts Trophy was because of shortened season.”
        There’s that and the fact that he was the best that year. I mean, was he the only player to have the “advantage” of a shortened season.

        It is the Hockey Hall of Fame, after all. Not the Hall of “Guys I Like and are better (or at least as good as) Jagr, Lemieux, Messier, Gretzky, Shanahan, and Roenick.”

        Aside from a 1.13 career points per game average, the enormous media attention surrounding his career, World Hockey tiles/medals, incredible junior hockey career, MVP award, and a hockey legacy cut short for reasons outside of his control; Lindros was the most famous hockey player for a number of years. Perhaps the “fame” in HHoF should be considered as well as stats and cup rings.

      • jpelle82 - Jul 8, 2013 at 10:58 AM

        he was pretty famous, i’ll give you that. 1.13 ppg is good and he played 800 games or so (i think)? his candidacy is debatable for sure. drama aside, its a real shame he didnt ever play full season or have a healthy career…thats for sure.

  3. howintensive - Jul 8, 2013 at 8:27 AM

    This year it’ll probably be Shanahan, Chelios, Roenick, and Niedermayer. Not really any room for Lindros.

    • 19wasthebest - Jul 8, 2013 at 11:18 AM

      If you think loud mouth JR should be their then Big E should definitely be their. Lindros is a way better player than JR ever was. Lindros was the best player for a couple years. He should be their before Roenick.

  4. greenmtnboy31 - Jul 8, 2013 at 8:35 AM

    Not even close. He wasn’t even the best player on his line when he had LeClair carrying him through a couple of seasons.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Jul 8, 2013 at 5:21 PM

      You are out of your mind. I watched those teams very closely growing up. It was not leClair carrying Lindros, it was the other way around. LeClair was barely a 20-goal scorer before he arrived in Philly. While Lindros put up 97pts in 65 games (as a 20yr old) the year before LeClair came on board. LeClair’s numbers drop off severely as soon as Lindros was hurt in 99-00. I’m not saying LeClair wasn’t a great player, as he was a premier power forward, but he never would’ve been a 50-goal scorer without Lindros setting him up. That’s the reality of their relationship.

      I can’t believe so many people are discounting #88’s career. The guy ABSOLUTELY was the best player in the game for atleast a year, probably longer. He was an unstoppable force (when healthy). The NHL had never seen such a large individual with his combination of speed, vision, soft hands, and scoring-ability. In 486 games with the Flyers he had 659pts. That’s good for 1.36pts per game. That is Hall of Fame Caliber all day. Yes he was injury-plagued, but if you’re going to discount him for that, then you have to do the same for Peter Forsberg. I guess a lot of people on here are Flyers haters because there’s no universe where Lindros isn’t one of the most talented players of all-time. 865 pts in 760 games is special. He’s belongs in the Hall.

      • greenmtnboy31 - Jul 8, 2013 at 9:17 PM

        Just wrong. LeClair defined what it meant to be a power forward. The reality is that until LeClair arrived the Flyers were average. Lindros wasn’t an unstoppable force or do you forget Scott Stevens?

      • phillyphanatic77 - Jul 8, 2013 at 9:36 PM

        There were a lot of factors that turned the Flyers around. LeClair was a factor, as was Desjardins (who they got from MTL as well), the arrival of Renberg, and the return of Ron Hextall. But Lindros was the biggest factor. A superstar cannot do it alone. There has to be a supporting cast. You trying to argue that Leclair was single-handedly responsible for the Flyers turnaround shows just how little you know about the Flyers during that time period. Look I loved LeClair, he was my favorite Flyer in the 90s. But he was absolutely not more important to that team than 88.

        And the only thing that slowed Lindros was injuries (thanks Scott Stevens) and himself. He was a premier talent in the 90s. LeClair was the Robin to Lindros’ Batman. You cannot argue against the 1.36pts/game #88 put up with the Flyers.

      • greenmtnboy31 - Jul 9, 2013 at 9:00 AM

        Lindros was already in Philly and they weren’t making the playoffs, despite Mark Recchi leading the team in scoring. Based on that simple fact, Lindros was not the biggest factor when you consider the team was unable to make it to the playoffs. Colorado however, was making the playoffs, so his biggest impact was in Colorado.

        When LeClair arrived, the team took off and Lindros finally took off, scoring more than 100 points for the first and only time in his career. In 96/97 Lindros missed significant time, but LeClair still eclipsed the 50 goal mark without Lindros. In 97/98 LeClair hit 50 goals again, played all 82 games again; two things Lindros never did. Lindros was a decent supporting cast for LeClair when he was in the lineup. Bottom line here, LeClair was a bigger factor in their turnaround than Lindros.

        Keep in mind, LeClair was doing this at a time when scoring was at an all-time low. LeClair’s 50 goal seasons came consecutively, in a time when the NHL averaged 5.8 goals per game. If those numbers were multiplied by 1.3 to match the 7.73 goals per game style when Kerr played, LeClair’s totals jump to 66 goals in those three seasons.

  5. rajplayscoy - Jul 8, 2013 at 8:39 AM

    Is it possible that Lindros should be considered for the Hall due to his career and post career (advocate for concussion research)? He has had an impact on the game, just not the way a player usually does.

  6. mpg44 - Jul 8, 2013 at 8:46 AM

    Is there a section in the HOF for people who skate with their heads down and get plowed? He was a decent player who never lived up to the hype. Putting him in the HOF will devalue being in the HOF.

    • laxman1944 - Jul 8, 2013 at 9:18 AM

      So, because he had his head down while Scott Stevens was “Hunting” he has not earned the HOF?

      Well if that’s the case better take a look at a lot of film and start pulling some people out.

      • mpg44 - Jul 8, 2013 at 11:27 AM

        That’s your only argument for a decent player who never lived up the hype. Then by your standard just about every plays should be inducted. There by devaluing vein in the HOF. To begin with. Oh and by the way , hockey is a contact sports. Stevens hit him shoulder to shoulder . Lindros’ head hitting the ice was the bad part of that. But probrably would have been that bad if be had his head up . We can all day with this one.

      • laxman1944 - Jul 8, 2013 at 2:41 PM

        Good point…..we could really go all day with this one.

        As mentioned above just would have liked to see him around longer but the concussions really took a toll on him. His brother too.

  7. clefty1 - Jul 8, 2013 at 8:52 AM

    No way does Lindros belong in the HHOF.

    • 19wasthebest - Jul 8, 2013 at 11:21 AM

      I disagree, if a guy like Bure gets in then Lindros should be their. There are a lot of people in that never won a cup so not sure why so many are against him. Yes he made some poor choices but he was still a great player before the Stevens hit.

  8. antmel30 - Jul 8, 2013 at 9:01 AM

    Greenmtboy31 did u even watch lindross play with such a dumb comment. Leclair was good but to say he was better than lindross is laughable. How many 40 goal years did leclair have before lindross. Lindross made that line. He mad renderg and Trent klatt look good on his line. Leclair doesn’t even come close to lindross in overall skill. Go watch some tape bud because your a dope when it comes to hockey knowledge

    • greenmtnboy31 - Jul 8, 2013 at 9:24 AM

      No I never watched Lindros underachieve. Never watched him play, so I guess you’re on to me.

      How many Stanley Cups did Lindros win?

      LeClair was not only better than Lindros, he was tougher and more durable.
      Lindros made nothing but headlines for all the wrong reasons, like getting knocked out by Scott Stevens.
      LeClair led Montreal to the 93 Stanley Cup, something Lindros never did.
      LeClair scored two overtime goals in the 93 Stanley Cup finals; something only one other player in the history of the league has done and it sure wasn’t Lindros.
      LeClair led the 1996 World Cup of hockey tourney in scoring until the last and final game in Montreal, while leading Team USA over Lindros and Team Canada.
      LeClair is the only American born player with three straight 50 goal seasons, something Lindros never achieved once.
      LeClair won the +/- award twice, something the defensive liability Lindros never came close to.

      LeClair was a much better player than Lindros.

      • laxman1944 - Jul 8, 2013 at 11:10 AM

        They had two totally different styles of play.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Jul 8, 2013 at 5:31 PM

        LeClair did not “lead” Montreal to ANYTHING. He was a 19-goal, role player. Give it a rest. You are completely incorrect. LeClair was a good player, Lindros made him elite. LeClair scored 50-goals three straight seasons because Lindros was feeding him the puck! Lindros was as good a set-up guy as he was a goal scorer. I watched them play for a long time (something you apparently never did) and I’m telling you, it was LeClair feeding off Lindros, not the other way around. Did LeClair help Lindros? Yes, but he was not anywhere close to the player Lindros was. And LeClair was my favorite player growing up. He would plant himself in front of the goalie and clean up Lindros’ garbage. LeClair was slow as molasses, so Lindros would carry the puck up and then feed him down low. It was a great relationship, but to somehow discount Lindros’ accomplishments because you have some misguided notion about LeClair is completely wrong. Lindros made LeClair.

      • greenmtnboy31 - Jul 9, 2013 at 9:05 AM

        Clearly LeClair, with two OT goals in the SCF led the team to victory, despite the way Montreal used him. LeClair made Philly and Lindros better when he arrived in 94/95, Lindros’ stats prove it. Lindros had his best season after LeClair arrived to help him and take some pressure off him. Lindros just wasn’t durable enough to play much.

  9. philly4lyfe - Jul 8, 2013 at 9:05 AM

    I’m pretty sure he was the one carrying leclaire actually. leclaire had three 50 goal seasons in a row, then signed a huge extension after that which was when lindross got hurt. I don’t think he ever scored more than 30 in a season after that.

    • greenmtnboy31 - Jul 8, 2013 at 9:28 AM

      Wrong, LeClair eclipsed 40 goals twice after three straight of 50 or more.

      Here’s a comment on Lindros from the ’97 Cup Finals. “More alarming for Philadelphia was the failure of Eric Lindros to show any leadership when it was needed from him. Lindros, whose chidhood hero was Mark Messier, appeared confused and listless and he was limited to one goal in the finals.”

      • laxman1944 - Jul 8, 2013 at 11:18 AM

        LOL…..you’re such a tool.

        The real mistake was making Eric the captain. He did not want to be the captain he just wanted to be one of the guys.

        And that team was a one line team and Detroit was a well balanced machine.

        That’s the problem with captains, some are made to be captains because they’re the best player on the team. Does it mean they have leadership ability???
        No it does not.

        Look at Crosby, he is a poor captain. He does not have good leadership ability but Pitt made him be the captain because he is the face of the NHL. I mean look at his antics and behavior in the playoffs in the past few years.

        Would you ever hear The Captain (Stevie Yzerman) act like he does???

        Bottom line Eric is a border line HOF it’s a tough call but in the end I think he’ll get in a few years down the road.

      • greenmtnboy31 - Jul 8, 2013 at 11:30 AM

        He never wanted to “one of the guys”, he always thought he was better than that and insisted on special treatment.

        This has nothing to do with Crosby, although he has proven to be an exceptional player, a good leader who has successfully led his team to the Stanley Cup and Team Canada to a gold medal in the Olympics; a very good captain. He’s the only player to win the scoring title as a teenager and the youngest captain to win the Stanley Cup.

        No, this is about Lindros and his lack of credentials for the HHOF.

      • laxman1944 - Jul 8, 2013 at 2:45 PM

        Special treatment???

        Stop smoking the green on the mountain my friend.

        You’re just wrong and will leave it at that.

  10. channelguy - Jul 8, 2013 at 9:33 AM

    By the standards of any of the other major team sports, Lindros wouldnt be a serious candidate for the HOF. But the Hockey Hall of Fame is by FAR the easiest to get into. Compare it to the NFL! By the NHL’s standards he has a chance, and probably more than 50-50, although maybe not this year.

  11. eagles512 - Jul 8, 2013 at 9:53 AM

    Definite hall of famer. And whoever said leclair carried him has to be joking. Leclair would even laugh at that statement.

  12. chazxcore - Jul 8, 2013 at 10:25 AM

    He deserves to get in and he will, maybe not this year though.

  13. dumbassgreg - Jul 8, 2013 at 10:56 AM

    this year should be neidermayer,chelios,shanahan and makarov it is hockey hall of fame . think blake will get in instead of makarov though. lindros should get in . like neely and bure for a few seasons he was in conversation for best player in game then injuries shortened and derailed his career. also they need to add a builder from following list in order cherry,shero, tikhonov and pat burns. i dont agree with much if what cherry says but he does deserve to be in for helping to sell the game. whether you think good or bad.

  14. valarmorghuliss - Jul 8, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    If Dino Ciccarelli is good enough to be in Lindros does. Problem is they shouldn’t have let Dino in, so then I could say no to Lindros, nut they said yes to Dino, so I gotta say yes to Lindros now.

  15. slysipops - Jul 8, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    he initially brought attention to himself with his refusal to report to the team that drafted him . that showed a lot about his character …or lack of it ! he was never more than JUST A LITTLE ABOVE AVERAGE , so why a HHOF induction ? do you remember a cocky college linebacker named BRIAN BOSWORTH ? he also refused to report to the team drafting him. he also thought he deserved better ! one of the best football plays i ever saw was BO running over him like a little girl on the field ! BOSWORTH’S career did not last long. his bark was also bigger than his bite. he went on to make class B action movies in HOLLYWOOD but faded away there quickly also .

    • valarmorghuliss - Jul 8, 2013 at 12:59 PM

      Players who win the Hart are better than “just a little above average”

    • laxman1944 - Jul 8, 2013 at 2:49 PM

      John Elway……….Eli Manning

      They were pretty good players last time I checked and did not play for the teams that drafted them.

  16. phillyhatesyou - Jul 8, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    eric lindros had 732 pts in his first 558 games spanning 9 season and 865 in 760 total. anyone that thinks that those 9 years were only “slightly above average” is either just that dumb or just trolling. 40+ goals 4 times with 2 more 30+ goal season on top of that. turned john leclair from a good 2nd line winger into one of the best wingers in the game. could dominate a game physically although that took its toll injury wise. even bobby clarke has said eric belongs in the hall of fame. now thats saying something. and if we are being honest with ourselves many of the hits that gave lindros his concussions would be suspendable hits in todays NHL even if he did like to skate with his head down which i never understood. not to mention he played during the “trap era” where scoring was down. to say he definitely doesnt deserve to get in is just non sense and he certainly deserves to be in over guys like jeremy roenick and rod brind’amour and some of the other names mentioned. also more ppg than pavel bure in 58 more games played. there are some other big names he is ahead of on that list too however they played much longer and bure is the most comparable. there someone needed to make the argument for the big E

    • phillyhatesyou - Jul 8, 2013 at 2:55 PM

      sorry thats three 30+ goal season on top of the other four 40+ goal seasons he had in those first 9 years. my mistake

  17. Habib Marwan - Jul 8, 2013 at 3:02 PM

    this is a non issue…. eric lindros belongs in the hall of fame, no question

    • phillyphanatic77 - Jul 8, 2013 at 5:42 PM

      Thank you Pres Charles Logan! The argument that LeClair carried Lindros is, at best, laughable. LeClair was a 19-goal scorer before arriving in Philly. Lindros put up 97pts the year before LeClair joined the Flyers. It’s ridiculous that so many ppl agreed with GreenMtnBoy. Lindros, during his time in Philadelphia, was one of best five players (sometimes THE best) in the world. 659pts in 486 games in Philly speaks for itself. If not for concussions, Lindros would be right up there with Messier, Jagr, and Lemieux on the scoring list. And that’s without the benefit of playing in the ridiculously high-scoring 80s.

      • Habib Marwan - Jul 8, 2013 at 8:10 PM

        had the guy not had so many concussions, wow , he played through traffic a little too much some say…

      • greenmtnboy31 - Jul 8, 2013 at 9:36 PM

        I don’t remember Lindros on that Montreal team that LeClair led to victory in the 93 SCF with two OT goals.

        I don’t remember Lindros on the Team USA squad that beat Team Canada in the 96 World Cup of Hockey, which LeClair led in scoring until the final game.

        Lindros was NEVER the best player in the world, but he was full of unfulfilled potential and a big prima Donna.

  18. broadstreetbeatdown - Jul 8, 2013 at 9:32 PM

    Lindros was the most dominant player on the ice during the heyday of his career which was unfortunately cut short by injury. prior to his concussions he was the best player in the game.

    Hart, Pearson, Olympic Gold 1.138 reg season ppg good for 19th All time. 1.075 playoff ppg good for 20th all time
    4th fastest player in NHL history to score 300 points (210 GP) behind Wayne Gretzky (159), Mario Lemieux (186) & Peter Stastny (186)
    4th fastest player in NHL history to score 400 points (277 GP) behind Wayne Gretzky (197), Mario Lemieux (240) & Peter Stastny (247)
    5th fastest player in NHL history to score 500 points (352 GP) behind Wayne Gretzky (234), Mario Lemieux (287) & Peter Stastny (322) & Mike Bossy (349)
    6th fastest player in NHL history to score 600 points (429 GP) behind Wayne Gretzky (273), Mario Lemieux (323) & Peter Stastny (394), Mike Bossy (400) & Jari Kurri (419

    But hey, according to a lot of the retards that post here, he sucks. So who am i to argue the facts with their unbridled stupidity and bias.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Jul 8, 2013 at 9:43 PM

      Thank you. If not for concussions, #88 would be amongst the all-time scoring leaders. Some ppl on this page are completely ignoring the facts. Others are simply Flyers haters.

      • greenmtnboy31 - Jul 8, 2013 at 10:07 PM

        If
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      • broadstreetbeatdown - Jul 8, 2013 at 10:13 PM

        If only you could read the above stats instead of romancing the farm animals. If only If.

      • greenmtnboy31 - Jul 9, 2013 at 9:11 AM

        I read the stats, which Lindros was able to achieve with LeClair’s help. He never broke the 100 point mark until LeClair arrived and helped him finally do it.

        Keep beating it!

  19. broadstreetbeatdown - Jul 9, 2013 at 10:49 PM

    We get it. John LeClair is from the Green Mountain State. Don’t blow out an O ring pal. John LeClair is a Hall of Famer too. Still does not detract from Lindros’ on ice performance in the short time he played. LeClair’s own career went downhill after his back injuries.

    “He had it all: size, strength and finesse, It is unfortunate injuries cut his time in the NHL short, but he had a great career and left his mark on the game.” —John LeClair about Eric Lindros

    Now you can get back to raping the goats my friend.

    • greenmtnboy31 - Jul 10, 2013 at 10:12 AM

      Your comments like “romancing the farm animals” and “raping the goats” indicate that you have an unhealthly fixation on beastiality “my friend”. I’m concerned about the family pets that may reside in your mother’s house with you.

      Do you have your way with the family cat when it wanders down the basement stairs to your room or has the cat learned to avoid you?

      We all know the well documented fact that Philly has the most classless and often clueless fans in all sports. Why do you feel the urge to prove it?

      FWIW, I agree with LeClair’s assessment of Lindros. Lindros did have it all, he just didn’t use it to his full potential; a classic underachiever. It’s my opinion he’s a borderline HOF’er.

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