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Alive in the desert: Glendale approves lease plan, ‘Yotes stay in Phoenix

Jul 3, 2013, 2:02 AM EST

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The former Phoenix Coyotes — now the Arizona Coyotes — will stay in Glendale.

Well, for a little while longer.

In a 4-3 vote, the City Council has approved prospective Coyotes owner Renaissance Sports & Entertainment’s (RSE) 15-year, $225 million lease agreement for Jobing.com Arena. That will pave the way for RSE to buy the team with the goal of keeping them in Glendale.

At the same time, this isn’t necessarily the end of the Coyotes’ long saga.

While this deal will give the franchise another shot, RSE did retain an out-clause that can be activated if the team’s losses reach a cumulative total of $50 million or more within the first five years of this agreement.

Conversely, Glendale doesn’t have an out-clause.

That being said, RSE added a “make whole” component that would provide the city with some compensation should the team relocate, according to Yahoo! Sports’ Nick Cotsonika.

RSE will also have the backing of the Philadelphia Flyers’ owners, Global Spectrum.

“Combining Global Spectrum’s management of the stadium next door with the efforts at the arena creates unique operating efficiencies that will be financially beneficial to both venues,” Flyers president Peter Luukko said prior to the vote.

So the long-term future of the Coyotes is still very much in doubt. But at least it looks like they’ll have something that they haven’t had since 2009:

An owner.

  1. jimw81 - Jul 3, 2013 at 2:08 AM

    disgraceful.

    • muns09 - Jul 3, 2013 at 2:40 AM

      Its comments like this that make me wonder why people like you took the time to make an account to be a “commentator” and post your thoughts. Go to bed

      • 101stmedic - Jul 3, 2013 at 6:56 AM

        Whatever. It is disgraceful. Get this team to a city that will actually appreciate it and afford it, not have to lease this and figure out that just to keep it alive. Seattle would be perfect.
        I’m so sick of hearing about them not having funding for this team. Get them to a city that can financially support them and would have a bigger fan base….like Seattle…hell, even Portland could pull it off better than Glendale.

      • drewsylvania - Jul 3, 2013 at 8:14 AM

        Really? Another city decides to steal from taxpayers, and you don’t have a problem with that?

        That’s disgraceful.

      • DonkeyStick - Jul 3, 2013 at 10:38 AM

        Phoenix is second to last in attendance and you’re upset because someone thinks they’re a disgrace?

    • rsmaggiemae - Jul 3, 2013 at 9:45 AM

      This is really a sad situation for the team, the city and the NHL
      Time will tell what happens
      A friend of mine lived in Phoenix for over 20 years and told me that attendance is way down and that if the team goes to the playoffs then the fans go to the game otherwise it is almost empty they just show up for games on national tv to make it look good.
      They dont promote hockey for young kids, thats why she moved her family back to Minnesota so her sons could play hockey, quite a sacrifice for her family for hockey

      I have my doubts about a team in Seattle also, as I lived there for over 12 years and I dont see that many fans interested in hockey in Seattle… if there is a team therre in the near future, i wonder how long it will take before that team would fold up…
      just not a hockey town…I just cant see it….

      • wisbadgers - Jul 3, 2013 at 10:18 AM

        @rsmaggiemae
        Your friend must not know what hockey is then since the attendance has been on the rise for each of the past 4 years.
        They do promote hockey to the young kids. Your friend must not know how to work a computer either. Both of my boys attended hockey camp put on by the Coyotes. It is a 4 week class (each on a Saturday) where the kids are taught the fundamentals of hockey. Ages 3 – 15. Each kid is given free equipment to use during the 4 week period and is given a jersey to keep at the end of the 4 weeks.
        They also have free skating parties at the Arena with Howler (the mascot) on different dates throughout the year (one being Halloween night).

        How about next time you get your facts straight (or a new friend) before you post on topics you don’t know about. Sound good????

      • Jackson Scofield - Jul 3, 2013 at 1:03 PM

        @wisbadgersn WOOO!!! Risen from dead last and still second to last and quite frankly awful! Huge improvement!

      • comeonnowguys - Jul 3, 2013 at 2:03 PM

        You’re kidding, right?

        This was a team that went into the season as a Western Conference finalist, and they still didn’t break out of the bottom five.

        The attendance is terrible, has always been terrible, and always will be terrible.

        Sympathies to fans like yourself who love the team, but reality has to set in at some point.

  2. 950003cups - Jul 3, 2013 at 2:09 AM

    Keep the team in tact. But I would think moving the home arena to Vegas would be financially responsible.

    Teams don’t make bank when fans show up in the 2nd round, and ignore them all year long.

    Vegas Baby Vegas!!!

    • ron05342 - Jul 3, 2013 at 2:26 AM

      “Intact” is one word, you moron.

    • nj666 - Jul 3, 2013 at 11:38 AM

      vegas would be stupid. that town is greasy and doesn’t have enough locals to support a team.

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  3. thailer35 - Jul 3, 2013 at 2:11 AM

    And now my 7 week old daughter will have a chance to grow into her size 2t jersey that I bought for her before she was born! A great day for Glendale! Sorry Seattle, hopefully you guys get an expansion team soon! More importantly, you will all see hockey can and will thrive in Arizona!

    • chazxcore - Jul 3, 2013 at 9:35 AM

      Now your daughter and you and the 6 other fans can rejoice in the streets. Seattle would sell out consistently and actually make money and would have to go through this on the fence thing every few years.

      • 950003cups - Jul 3, 2013 at 9:57 AM

        Yeah cause the Super Sonics had so much success

      • r4n6er - Jul 3, 2013 at 11:10 AM

        @95003cups

        Basketball is stupid and hockey is awesome. There is actually a good grassroots hockey program in the Seattle area. How can you even compare basketball failures and correlate it to hockey?

      • nj666 - Jul 3, 2013 at 11:40 AM

        yeah and the nets were a smashing success as well…

      • warchief65 - Jul 3, 2013 at 3:55 PM

        chazxcore , doesn’t Seattle have a team in the ECL league ? You can’t even sell out a Minor team , how are you going to sell out a NHL team ?

    • slickdemetrius - Jul 3, 2013 at 9:53 AM

      Hope you and your daughter aren’t in a house fire or have a crook attempt to break into your house because to pay for all this, there will be cuts to services, few new hires for public health and sewer and water upkeep will take a hit. Higher taxes and fees for less service, sounds great!
      Glad my wife talked me out of settling in Glendale five years ago.

      • wisbadgers - Jul 3, 2013 at 10:21 AM

        Way to go to extremes .Do you have children? Anyone who would hope that on someone else is a real piece of s***. YOU might want to go to church and re-think your life decisions.

      • r4n6er - Jul 3, 2013 at 11:11 AM

        @wisbadgers

        Right because religion does nothing but propagate peace and tolerance throughout the world…

      • nj666 - Jul 3, 2013 at 11:44 AM

        Yeah that is a little over board, even as someone who isn’t religious, I’m going to have to side with badger on this one.

      • jernster21 - Jul 3, 2013 at 11:49 AM

        Can’t be any worse than comparing RSE to the 19 firefighters that lost their lives in a fire down in Arizona. Total scumbag comments by the council member who claims to be a firefighter himself. What a joke.

      • slickdemetrius - Jul 3, 2013 at 12:17 PM

        Did I not say I hope they are not the victim of such events? Are you illiterate or what?

      • slickdemetrius - Jul 3, 2013 at 12:18 PM

        Seriously, where did I say I hope they are in a fire? You are not only illiterate, but you’re the POS and needs to rethink their life, perhaps a GED?

      • Jackson Scofield - Jul 3, 2013 at 1:09 PM

        @wisbadgers /facepalm, he said he hopes the would NOT have that happen, and was using it to make a point that the city and its residents will be taking a toll for all of this.

      • warchief65 - Jul 3, 2013 at 4:11 PM

        slickdemetrius , really ? The Martin family , ( the last owner of the Desert Dogs ) , moved the team there . And , funny thing , the taxes didn’t go up . Imagine that ! And , his ” deal ” was higher than what RSE signed for .

    • nj666 - Jul 3, 2013 at 11:42 AM

      Not really a “great” day for glendale, it sure is a great day for all of those who are about to profit from public tax dollars.

      • Jackson Scofield - Jul 3, 2013 at 1:09 PM

        Still won’t turn a profit.

  4. beerjunkie - Jul 3, 2013 at 2:15 AM

    Taking a dump is more newsworthy than hockey in Arizona.

  5. valarmorghuliss - Jul 3, 2013 at 2:19 AM

    4-3 vote and one council member said during session that he was a no vote on Friday. Changes were made and he was yes tonight.

    That close

    • dueman - Jul 3, 2013 at 7:24 AM

      Looks like Buttman gets to keep his ‘lock out’ anchor firmly in place. It makes you wonder just how much money this guy received from Bettman, and the NHL, to change his vote? So, now “Arizona” goes from being owned by the NHL, to being owned by another NHL team….I guess that business ethics just aren’t in Buttman’s world?

      • valarmorghuliss - Jul 3, 2013 at 11:28 AM

        Ummmm, Comcast doesn’t own the Coyotes. But they are involved in supposedly bringing non-hockey events to the arena to help bring revenue into the city of Glendale so the city itself has a few more revenue streams for protect itself from potential loses.

  6. canucks30 - Jul 3, 2013 at 2:21 AM

    Good.

    More “home” games for the Canucks with the Coyotes now in the same division as Vancouver.

  7. x50cal - Jul 3, 2013 at 2:22 AM

    Go Yotes all you haters are pathetic.

    • nothanksimdriving123 - Jul 3, 2013 at 3:45 AM

      I certainly don’t hate the Coyotes. I am concerned that after more than 15 years in Arizona, they need what seems, unless I’m reading this wrong, like taxpayer support to make it as a franchise. That just doesn’t seem like the kind of situation conducive to longterm fiscal success, nor reflective of broad-based enthusiasm for hockey. I admit I follow ice things more than $$$ things, so maybe other teams also get tax money. I hope not.

    • slickdemetrius - Jul 3, 2013 at 9:57 AM

      Please explain why people who refuse to pay taxes to accommodate YOUR passion are pathetic. I want roads, water, education police and fire. Not Shane Doan.
      You are the one who is pathetic. If you want them so bad, put up or shut up – you pay a 15% property tax increase to keep them and leave us working class, “pathetic haters”, alone.

      • warchief65 - Jul 3, 2013 at 4:24 PM

        slickdemetrius , where does it say the taxpayers of Glendale will float the team ? It says that RSE signed a deal to pay the council 225 million dollars in 15 years . With a 50 million if the team doesn’t make any money . The fist payment is 50 million . The taxpayer doesn’t pay anything .

  8. ron05342 - Jul 3, 2013 at 2:28 AM

    Glendale got jobbed (pun not intended).

    They should have gone all the way with the re-branding. Glendale Coyotes. And then, require the team to splash the name on the front of their jerseys, a la Dallas.

    And require 50% of all jersey sales over the next five years. Then at least they could have got $650 more for their efforts.

    • thenewraoulduke - Jul 3, 2013 at 3:49 AM

      either the pun WAS intentional or your slang can do with an upgrade

      • warchief65 - Jul 3, 2013 at 4:31 PM

        thenewraoulduke , are you the NAZI of Words or something like that ? Believe me , you’re not the only one on this site .

    • 950003cups - Jul 3, 2013 at 9:47 AM

      The phrase is “NO PUN INTENDED” you moron

      • Jackson Scofield - Jul 3, 2013 at 1:12 PM

        It literally amounts to the same team

  9. serbvet1 - Jul 3, 2013 at 2:30 AM

    Just watched the City of Glendale Council meeting and vote. What a mess! Disorganized and poorly run. No wonder this saga has dragged on for 4 years. Some of the members (Alvarez and Hugh) could not articulate their points. I wonder if they have the intelligence to understand the issues in front of them.

    Thank you to Knaack, Martinez, Sherwood and Chavira. Your yes vote is appreciated by all of us who are Coyotes fans (and season ticket holders).

    For all you naysayers- SUCK IT!

    Go Yotes!

    • edwelsh8 - Jul 3, 2013 at 9:33 AM

      Lets see where this team is in 5 years. Losing $50 million in 5 years probably won’t be impossible to attain when the team was losing $25 million a year before.

      • serbvet1 - Jul 3, 2013 at 9:58 AM

        Team had bad ownership. A perfect example of what bad ownership can do to a team is to look “across” town at the Phoenix Suns. Under the original ownership (Block and Diamond) and under the second owner (Jerry Colangelo) the team did well. No championships but put a competitive team together that had support of the community. Under the current owner (Sarver) the team has become a joke and attendance has dropped.

        The Coyotes can become competitive and profitable if RSA manages the business side of things and promotes the sport in the 7th largest Metro area in the US. The team has been doing well (on ice) and has been slowly improving on attendance with “neutral” ownership by the NHL.

        You will see.

    • slickdemetrius - Jul 3, 2013 at 10:01 AM

      Yeah, but does RSE have their own money injected into the project yet? No they don’t, they need a loan already. What a wonderful way to take over a proven money losing scheme, take out a loan.

      • greatminnesotasportsmind - Jul 3, 2013 at 11:32 AM

        I suppose when you make a large purchase such as a house or vehicle, you don’t need a loan either, right?

      • slickdemetrius - Jul 3, 2013 at 12:15 PM

        Ummm, in general, where is the money losing scheme in taking a loan for a house or a vehicle. The house is equity and the vehicle is transportation to a job.

      • greatminnesotasportsmind - Jul 3, 2013 at 3:02 PM

        Yeah because the housing market has been so great over the past 5-10 years, that most people who want to refi their house can’t because they owe so much more than what it is currently worth.

        Same thing with a car, cars depreciate about as fast as a 5 year loan. If you get a loan over 5 years, your never going to get what it is worth because you will end up owing more than what it is worth.

        All sports teams in general, appreciate in value. These guys are getting a steal at 165 million or whatever they are paying for it. I guarantee you in 5 years, if it doesn’t work in Glendale, and they go to sell the team to another buyer in another market, they are going to sell it for at least 300 million. That’s not counting the money (if any) they would make year to year running the team.

      • warchief65 - Jul 3, 2013 at 4:48 PM

        slickdemetrius , it takes money to make money , but , I don’t think you know about that . Since you are calling a house as ” equity ” , when most of the house loans are higher than what the house is worth . That’s a losing scheme .

  10. innout10 - Jul 3, 2013 at 2:45 AM

    Pretty comical that the majority of posters on coyotes news articles don’t have a clue about the situation yet just say the team should move regardless. At least those frogs didn’t get a team… 1 is enough in la merde province!

    • valarmorghuliss - Jul 3, 2013 at 3:02 AM

      Was with ya until you said something small minded and pathetic.
      It’s also pretty comical is that your own city council needed someone to change their mind at the last minute to save the Yotes. 4-3 vote my man, seems there is more people questioning the deal than just commenters.

      • kaptaanamerica - Jul 3, 2013 at 4:24 AM

        Ditto.I despise racists or bigots. Guy was making sense until he lost his mind and posted hate.

  11. sprtsfan1 - Jul 3, 2013 at 3:48 AM

    Nice! More Blackhawks games at super low prices!!!

  12. ray2013 - Jul 3, 2013 at 4:17 AM

    So now a moratorium on all moving the “Arizona Coyotes” to x, y, or z comments at least for a few years? Yay!

  13. kaptaanamerica - Jul 3, 2013 at 4:29 AM

    Gretzky was the worst thing that happened to this franchise. The guy couldn’t coach for shiite and had too much of his own self promotion going on. I hope he doesn’t see any more money from the coyotes.

    • valarmorghuliss - Jul 3, 2013 at 11:34 AM

      This is beyond stupid.
      One Gretzky brought the team headlines
      Two Gretzky had a .479 Winning % with a team that deserved a .479 winning %.
      What? Are you or someone else going to try and tell me those Coyote team were ever expected to be contenders?

      And look at the clueless sheep agreeing with such crap
      Gretzky wasn’t a great NHL coach but he’s not even close to “worst thing” that happened to the Coyotes.

  14. pastabelly - Jul 3, 2013 at 5:37 AM

    Seattle is not getting a team until it has a new arena. This is just stupid.

  15. pmonte3122 - Jul 3, 2013 at 5:43 AM

    Really? Enjoy losing more money.

  16. zemaniak - Jul 3, 2013 at 6:06 AM

    Losing money? If only… Montreal and other ” rich ” cities are helping support this mess! Thx Bett

  17. hieronymous27 - Jul 3, 2013 at 6:38 AM

    So now the speculation can begin regarding what “weak” NHL franchise will relocate to Seattle, if or when, a suitable arena is built to accommodate hockey. Will it be the Panthers, Nashville, or is there a dark horse candidate out there that I’m missing?

    • dueman - Jul 3, 2013 at 7:29 AM

      They will just get an expansion team.

    • pastabelly - Jul 3, 2013 at 7:50 AM

      hieronymous27 – Jul 3, 2013 at 6:38 AM
      So now the speculation can begin regarding what “weak” NHL franchise will relocate to Seattle, if or when, a suitable arena is built to accommodate hockey. Will it be the Panthers, Nashville, or is there a dark horse candidate out there that I’m missing?
      =====================================================================

      The Panthers had the worst record in hockey and drew close to 20,000 fans per game and set attendance records for the franchise. I am interested in finding out why anyone in their right mind would move them to Seattle. Now that they have moved to what really is the Northeast conference, I can see many road trips by people from Boston-Detroit-Toronto-Montreal to Tampa/FT Lauderdale.

      • 950003cups - Jul 3, 2013 at 9:52 AM

        Another
        hockey fan” using ESPN for hockey facts. That would be like reading the Wall Street Journal for the gossip column.

      • valarmorghuliss - Jul 3, 2013 at 11:37 AM

        Another stupid comment from 950003cups.
        ESPN tracks tickets sold moron, not people who show up. And you’re such an idiot I know I must spell it out for you, so here we go. Owners still get the money from the sold ticket, even if you don’t show up.

        The Panthers are not relocating

      • greatminnesotasportsmind - Jul 3, 2013 at 11:48 AM

        Well being that ESPN used actual numbers, not some made up numbers

  18. rushledger - Jul 3, 2013 at 6:45 AM

    Have a little respect NHL fans, if your team was in constant rumors of leaving and didn’t have an owner you’d be happy for a day like this too.

  19. northstarnic - Jul 3, 2013 at 7:20 AM

    A sad day for hockey….

  20. pastabelly - Jul 3, 2013 at 7:41 AM

    Here’s the problem. Having franchises in cities like Glendale/Phoenix that lose money is part of the problem that brought about the Bettman/Jacobs lockout. It’s about solid franchises and players supporting weak franchises and created lower salary caps. Most smart hockey fans know this. Most smart hockey fans also know that there is a limit to how many franchises can be located in smaller Canadian cities and tv markets. After Quebec City or a second franchise in Toronto, that has to end as well. Seattle could support a team, but not without a new arena.

  21. lallin66fan - Jul 3, 2013 at 7:51 AM

    But I just wanted some change, like a new team… not the same old Coyotes. Booring!!

    • Jackson Scofield - Jul 3, 2013 at 1:20 PM

      Arizona Coyotes, there’s your huge change

  22. channelguy - Jul 3, 2013 at 8:35 AM

    Seattle speculation will stop because they don’t have a decent arena in place. Key is a BASKETBALL arena, and had become such a fail at that, it wasn’t deemed worthy of continuing to have a team. If Seattle HAD a decent arena, Buttman would have thrown in the towel in Phoenix years ago.

    Quebec was NEVER seriously in the equation, because Buttman, who works for the owners, deems it in the OWNERS’ best interest that Quebec, and Markham, pony up huge EXPANSION FEES for their franchises. That’s certainly in the interest of the owners, but I dont know too many fans who think expanding the league again is a good idea.

    All this does is put Glendale on the hook for future big losses. The undercapitalized hustlers behind RSE — who seriously proposed charging the city $15 million per year for a management contract which a third party company said should cost about $300,000, won’t be able to handle the huge operating losses, and will be back demanding more from the taxpayers or threatening a move.

    Little lesson there about the wisdom of a city relying on sports as a major economic development base.

  23. scionofflame - Jul 3, 2013 at 9:32 AM

    If you watched the stream of the City Council meeting last night, you would say this is disgraceful as well. The city council are a bungling group of idiots who seemed to have no grasp on the situation they were dealing with, or the realities of it. LeBlanc came to them like a snake oil salesman, promising there was no need to worry about it because they’d taken care of everything. Of course! Trust him, right?

    The last straw was when the final council member cast his vote (a firefighter by trade, from what I understand) and compared what RSE was doing to a firefighter rushing into a burning building to ‘save the franchise’. Of course he makes this comparison while not mentioning the cuts to police and fire budgets, where they’ll lay off a number of employees.

    It was a circus of a night, and an absolutely ridiculous vote. Congratulations, Glendale. You get to keep your team. I hope you can live with ‘em.

  24. yotesfan61 - Jul 3, 2013 at 9:51 AM

    I love how before this vote all I saw was “I just want this thing to end, I dont care how it turns out” posts. Now that the vote is to stay all I see is “What a joke, move them to Seattle”. Hey folks, remember whena mere 6 years ago all of your “hockey” cities of Chicago….or St Louis….Boston…..or Washington were behind the Coyotes in attendance? Or 9 years ago when the Coyotes were in the top 20 in attendance? A winning product and solid ownership can change things. Just ask Chicago……

    And yes I live in AZ and understand the crappy east side drive to glendale. I drive from Tempe back to Peoria every day going home from work. I understand moving there probably killed this team and could still in 5 years end up being their demise. But with the proper pieces in place…this could work. Of course..I’m a fan, so I’m biased. Gotta have faith right? LETS GO YOTES!!

    • comeonnowguys - Jul 3, 2013 at 2:06 PM

      Comparing the Chicago and Phoenix situations is like comparing apples to Volkswagens.

      • yotesfan61 - Jul 3, 2013 at 2:59 PM

        How so? You guys put a quality product on the ice to go along with solid ownership and it brought attendance up over a 2 year period where you guys went from 29th, to the teens, to 1st and have led the league in attendance since. I dont see how it is different? Because its in Phoenix?

      • comeonnowguys - Jul 3, 2013 at 3:19 PM

        1: There was actually an example of Hawks succeeding before ownership ran it into the ground.
        2: Attendance was rebounding before before they even made the playoffs.
        3: Phoenix was in the WCF last year, and their attendance was terrible this year.
        4: At what point were Coyote games not on television in the 21st century? It was mid-2000s for Chicago fans.
        5: What’s the highest attendance rank Phoenix has *ever* been? 19th?
        6: See #1.

  25. yowillie12 - Jul 3, 2013 at 9:56 AM

    Move this team to Quebec City, Hamilton or Toronto= instant success.

    • r4n6er - Jul 3, 2013 at 11:15 AM

      I will concede that hockey is successful in Canada but Canadian doesn’t understand (I lived there for 10 years and married one before you all jump on me), is that the real money is in TV deals and teams that are placed in populations of 600k may sell area tickets but not TV deals.

  26. proudliberal85392 - Jul 3, 2013 at 10:21 AM

    “x50cal
    Go Yotes all you haters are pathetic.”
    I could not have said it any better.

  27. proudliberal85392 - Jul 3, 2013 at 10:24 AM

    “rushledger | Have a little respect NHL fans, if your team was in constant rumors of leaving and didn’t have an owner you’d be happy for a day like this too.”

    Thank you for getting it, rushledger.

  28. guitarmy204 - Jul 3, 2013 at 10:40 AM

    It’s nice of Glendale to spend their money so that the future owners of this team in Seattle didn’t have to lose money for the next couple years while the new arena gets built.

  29. florida727 - Jul 3, 2013 at 10:44 AM

    Glendale votes to keep the team?
    Shouldn’t it be the other way around?
    The Coyotes should vote on whether or not they want to stay in Glendale.

    I looked at their team website just a minute ago. There was one game in which attendance was listed at 22,272. I assume that’s capacity, or at least close to it. There was exactly ONE other game where attendance was as high as 20,000. Most common was 14-15,000. They had TWO games with LESS THAN 9,000 fans in attendance. The rest of them must have thought it was Halloween: they came disguised as empty seats.

    • pimares - Jul 3, 2013 at 11:24 AM

      Where are u getting your info, jobing has capacity at 17510 (near 18k with standing room). No where on the team website does it say 20000. Nice try though…..

  30. channelguy - Jul 3, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    Well, its not hard to pull in large numbers of people when many of the tickets are heavily discounted. This problem isn’t just in Glendale – it’s in several markets in the U.S. You have lots of folks who will go see a hockey game, but if asked to pay regular ticket prices that Leaf, Ranger, Hab etc fans pay in solid hockey markets, would just laugh.

    The barometer of real fan support isn’t jacked up attendance numbers, it’s 1) are fans willing to pay market level prices for games, and 2) are fans willing to support the team when they are rebuilding — even when that rebuilding drags on and on because of bad ownership and/or management.

  31. chunkala - Jul 3, 2013 at 11:22 AM

    Gotta love “fans” in poor hockey cities/states like Arizona. Everyone knows that this is simply a matter of pride and ego. No one cares about hockey there but residents just want to keep up with Joneses and have another pro team to talk about. same situation happened in Minnesota when the Twins were almost contracted. I didnt agree with this but once the notion of contraction came out, fans demanded their team stay.
    Since they are changing the name from Phoenix to Arizona, let me recommend changing the Coyotes to the Pride or Ego. The logo could be a pack of lions or a picture of Sigmund Freud.

    Arizona Pride
    Arizona Ego

  32. blackhawks2010 - Jul 3, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    Coyotes staying, all four of its fans are excited!

    • yotesfan61 - Jul 3, 2013 at 11:44 AM

      Hahahahaha! Hilarious!!! I haven’t heard that joke yet. It’s almost as funny as when the Blackhawks attendance was worse then ours 3 years in a row when they were in the basement? *Gasp*

  33. thailer35 - Jul 3, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    To everyone talking about all the city services getting cut, your notions of this being the fault of the coyotes are misguided. The fact is in like 2009 the city’s budget dropped from around $900 million to about $500 million. The idea that services being cut because of the coyotes is just plain false.

    Glendale still owed on the arena, and if the vote yesterday had been no, would have owed the NHL $25 million today, instead now they can make $5 million installments toward that.

    Also, global spectrum was never going to put in a bid to manage the arena without the coyotes, which means that there is no money to be made at jobbing.com arena without the coyotes. I say it’s a good day for Glendale because the council has voted in the best way it could to provide the best possible future for its citizens, coyotes fans or not. While it is true that the original deal that brought the coyotes to Glendale and built the arena was a bad investment that has put the city in a pickle to say the least, keeping them was the way to make the best of that bad situation.

    Also, PHT readers, you’ve surprised me. That many thumbs down against a seven week old girl? Haha, heartless!! Oh well, if she’s going to be a coyotes fan, she’ll have to get used to that kind of behavior from other hockey fans.

  34. jaredphi - Jul 3, 2013 at 2:26 PM

    This team would be better off being moved elsewhere. Seattle, Quebec or, my 1st choice – Portland, Oregon.

    Trailblazers have a stadium in Portland and I’m sure they’d be willing to share. Plus, I think ice hockey would go over extremely well in Oregon.

    (Potential Bias comment – Plus, I plan to retire to Portland and would like a hometown NHL team to root for)

  35. ndrick731 - Jul 3, 2013 at 5:53 PM

    Great. Now all the teams that have fans that actually go to regular season games can support them along with Nashville, Florida, Tampa and Columbus. Guess my season tickets will be going up again.

    • greatminnesotasportsmind - Jul 4, 2013 at 2:50 AM

      Don’t confuse Florida for Nashville or Columbus. Florida fans show up.

  36. Jackson Scofield - Jul 3, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    Seattle DOESN’T have an ECHL team, so they couldn’t sell it out… And Junior Hockey in the US is a hard sell (They have the Thunderbirds), most people haven’t even heard of the Chicago Steel but the Hawks sell out every game, no connection at all.

  37. thegonz13 - Jul 3, 2013 at 9:44 PM

    innout10 – Jul 3, 2013 at 2:45 AM
    Pretty comical that the majority of posters on coyotes news articles don’t have a clue about the situation yet just say the team should move regardless. At least those frogs didn’t get a team… 1 is enough in la merde province!

    ———————————–

    OK, two things:
    A) Your comment is both racist and ignorant;
    B) The NoOrdiques left Québec in the mid 90′s, at a time when then was no salary cap and the Canadian dollar was barely worth the paper it was printed on;
    C) Arizona had no less than 3 teams -all nicknamed Roadrunners- and all of them failed miserably. Look it up. IHL, WHL, WHA, name the league, it doesn’t matter. They all folded. So if a failed team is a criteria for a hockey team in a city, Phoenix, or the entire state of Arizona for that matter, should never have gotten a team in the first place.

    • thegonz13 - Jul 3, 2013 at 9:46 PM

      Actually, that’s three things but given innout10′s state of ignorace, I’d be amazed if he could count to three…

  38. kingsforever - Jul 4, 2013 at 12:56 AM

    Bad for the league

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