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Report: Boston shopping Seguin as trade talks heat up

Jun 29, 2013, 1:09 PM EDT

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With several big contract decisions on the horizon, the Bruins appear to be looking at a variety of trades scenarios heading into Sunday’s draft.

One big scenario in particular, involving Tyler Seguin.

RDS’ Renaud Lavoie reports Seguin’s name came up on Saturday as Boston appeared “really active” on the trade front, with Tampa Bay reportedly in the mix for the 21-year-old’s services.

TSN’s Bob McKenzie also passed along the Seguin news, a big revelation which could play into the Tuukka Rask and Patrice Bergeron extensions.

CSNNE’s Joe Haggerty reports the proposed asking price for Seguin is steep: Boston wants in the top-10 of Sunday’s draft (the Bruins don’t draft until No. 60 overall) and an impact-level roster player.

The Bruins have 18 players under contract for next season with just $5 million in available cap space (prior to Marc Savard going on LTIR, which would bump it closer to nine.)

Rask’s new deal could command as much as $6.5 million annually and Bergeron — who’s 3-year, $15 million deal expires in 2014 — could be looking at comparable money, if not more.

So, perhaps it’s Seguin — who’s six-year, $34.5 million extension kicks in next year — that needs to go.

He led the B’s in scoring last year and finished second in goals this year, but had a disappointing playoff where he was often relegated to third-line duty.

For more, read this CSNNE piece on Seguin

In other news relating to Boston’s cap issues, McKenzie reports UFA forward Nathan Horton is unlikely to be back with Boston.

It was already confirmed that fellow UFAs Jaromir Jagr and Andrew Ference wouldn’t be retained either.

Ference’s name, in fact, was added to the list of players that might have their negotiating rights dealt this weekend.

Several teams have inquired about the Boston defenseman, according to Haggerty.

Haggerty spoke with B’s GM Peter Chiarelli on Saturday, confirming earlier reports that Ference was in play. The 34-year-old has spent the last seven seasons in Boston and would be a solid addition for a team looking for veteran depth on the blueline.

  1. bigbadbruins77 - Jun 29, 2013 at 1:20 PM

    don’t trade segs!

    • desertfan - Jun 29, 2013 at 9:48 PM

      Too bad you lost Kessel!!!

  2. hockeyflow33 - Jun 29, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    Kind of shocking but they have dealt with him so poorly, just as they did with Kessel. Not sure how you expect a guy to put up 1st line points when he’s on the 3rd line.

    • lordstanley65 - Jun 29, 2013 at 3:42 PM

      If he were putting first line pts up, then he’d be there. Plus, giving him that hefty contract is coming back to haunt them now. I personally love having the kid here, but if the right thing came along( and I just heard a rumor of Evander Kane and a first rd pick) I wouldn’t be too heartbroken.

      • hockeyflow33 - Jun 29, 2013 at 4:04 PM

        So you want to trade him for a guy with conditioning and maturity issues? Sounds like a great deal.

      • lordstanley65 - Jun 29, 2013 at 5:24 PM

        Sure. Those issues aren’t unsurpassable. His price tag will also be more suited to the needs of the Bs going forward. Plus, he’d come with a rd1 pick.

      • lordstanley65 - Jun 29, 2013 at 5:26 PM

        Sorry, I meant to say ” insurmountable”

    • ironmd778 - Jun 29, 2013 at 9:46 PM

      You obviously don’t follow the Bruins.

      • hockeyflow33 - Jun 30, 2013 at 12:54 AM

        huh?

      • lordstanley65 - Jun 30, 2013 at 12:54 AM

        Never heard of them.

  3. dropthepuckeh - Jun 29, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    He played on the second line all season and got demoted to the 3rd line because he wasn’t performing. You can’t wait forever for him to develop when you have a core team of young hard working players who deserved to be paid. I’d be fine with him being traded if they got a top 6 forward (which he isn’t) and a top ten draft pick. I don’t see it happening but I like it as a motivational tool at the very least. He needs to step it up in the playoffs and get dirty.

    • lordfletcher - Jun 29, 2013 at 2:15 PM

      I agree with everything you said but… Seguin is a top 6 forward, I just don’t think he fits the Boston role the best.

      he will do very well in the next 5 years and I think the price is about right for him. The main issue is that I don’t think there are many willing to give up a top 10 pick in this years draft. Rumors are saying Tampa but if Tampa has to deal their 1st rounder, I would think they have lost their mind. The #3 is maybe worth more than Seguin at this point. Jones or Drouin are impossible to say no to IMO.

      To me a team that would be wise to make a move on this is Buffalo seeing as they have multiple picks and maybe willing to move Vanek if the deal is right, or another “impact level player”.

      I only wish the Wild could make an offer that Boston would accept. I doubt they are willing to deal Granlund and Dumba (I hope they never get rid of Dumba)…

      tonight and tomorrow are going to be fun boys. My beer is getting cold and nachos are ready!!! cheers

      • dropthepuckeh - Jun 29, 2013 at 2:30 PM

        You are prob right and he definitely should be a top 6. I think his biggest problem right now is his maturity. While he is only 21, there are some players that mature faster. I’d love for him to see the writing on the wall, shadow Bergeron for the off season and come in angry in training camp. I don’t see it happening but who thought the B’s would sweep the Penguins?

      • rsmaggiemae - Jun 29, 2013 at 5:53 PM

        I hope the Wild will be able to get some good players. I had heard that they wanted to get rid of Granland to the Sabres, but they did not want him.. and to give up a first round pick really hurts this year with so many very, very good players
        I hope Pomanville will be great in the upcoming year, as I thought the Wild gave up way too much for him… especially the draft pcik along with the other two players.
        Hopefully Vanek will be here soon, as he lives here in the off season
        The Wild really need help asap … but then I dont like YEO-y

      • lordfletcher - Jun 29, 2013 at 6:51 PM

        There is nothing that Buffalo could give the Wild for Granlund that would make sense.

        Granlund isn’t worth just 1st round pick, he is a HIGHLY skilled guy who needs to adjust to the north american game. He will be a solid top 6 forward. How good, time will tell. Most likely he will be a 55 point guy, could be a 40, could be 65… who knows.

        For the Wild to get someone like Seguin, they would have to give up Granlund, this years 2nd, clutterbuck and next years first. That’s if Boston is interested in that package. I doubt they are but who knows. I am guessing they want a 1st round pick this year, and worst case top 15 and would prefer to ship him out west. ….ramble over :)

      • lordfletcher - Jun 29, 2013 at 6:53 PM

        clarify, Buffalo’s 1st round pick. Granlund is easily trade able for a top 5 in this years draft but I wouldnt trade him for their #8.

  4. alicesrightfootesq - Jun 29, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    I’d love to have him and Drouin in Tampa tomorrow.

    • dueman - Jun 29, 2013 at 1:57 PM

      If you have him it will cost you Drouin…They want a first round pick and more.

      • alicesrightfootesq - Jun 29, 2013 at 2:47 PM

        So they can trade him in three years for another first rounder and continue the cycle?

      • mathieug79 - Jun 30, 2013 at 12:50 AM

        this is my offer for Seguin… Ryan Malone (we eat 1/3 of his contract= 3M$/year), 1st rounder from next season (its a gamble, could be a top pick), and a prospect (NHL-ready) for Seguin! Ryan Malone at 3M$ is not so bad, getting a first rounder from 2014 could be a top 10, and an NHL ready prospect (one of Palat, JT Brown, Panik). I think this help Tampa keep their 3rd overall pick. Also maybe boston would be interested in 33rd overall, since this years draft is pretty deep.

        I would love to have Seguin on a Tampa Bay team, but he’s not worth the 3rd overall pick!!

  5. dboldave - Jun 29, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    I really thought they’d want to wait another year before trying to move or keep him. I felt like with a full offseason maybe they could figure out where he fits in but with how he avoids contact and going to the net, he doesn’t really seem to be a good fit here.

  6. titansbro - Jun 29, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    Dropthepuckeh said it best, although I might like to see them wait 1 more season. Kid needs to spend an offseason with Pat Kane learning how to score goals, not scoring with Swiss supermodels.

    • esracerx46 - Jun 29, 2013 at 2:10 PM

      Seguin spent the lockout with Kane at EHC Biel. Seguin was the better player points wise when they were there too. I think Chiarelli might be spending too much time with Holmgren.

      • dropthepuckeh - Jun 29, 2013 at 2:31 PM

        Swiss points don’t count in the NHL. He lit it up in juniors too….

  7. dropthepuckeh - Jun 29, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    This is great from Adam Proteau: “Bruins center Tyler Seguin prominent in trade rumors. Somewhere, Phil Kessel smiles, avoids eye contact and mumbles unintelligibly.”

  8. youcallthathockeyblog - Jun 29, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    Phil Kessel take two

    • biasedhomer - Jun 29, 2013 at 8:30 PM

      Or Joe Thornton take two

  9. DED - Jun 29, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    Will there be enough pieces left for Boston to make another deep run next year? It almost sounds like this past year was their best chance to win the Cup, having maximized the amount of talent one can have within the limits of the salary cap. Now it seems like cap pressure is going to force them to drop current talent and roll the dice on some less expensive, unproven guys.

    • dboldave - Jun 29, 2013 at 2:09 PM

      Evolve or get left behind. You can’t keep the same team year in and year out in any sport these days. You have to find ways to replace retiring players, free agent losses or injured players. Seguin scored one goal in the playoffs this year. I like him but he’s not the reason they made it to the cup finals.

      • DED - Jun 29, 2013 at 2:30 PM

        Oh yeah, I get that. But to Seguin, add the losses of Jagr, Horton, and Ference (I think he’s gone too), and that’s a fair amount of talent gone. The Rangers had a lot of turnover a year ago and what did it get them? If it wasn’t for that late season trade (an attempt to plug the holes left by the other guys), they might not even have made the playoffs. They struggled to make it to the second round (after losing in the ECF last year) and I was surprised that even happened.

        I recognize that Boston has lots of depth and certainly a better team than the Rangers were. All I’m saying is that if you take away too many pieces you risk making your team worse, not better. One guy a team can handle. Three or more and the risk goes up, depending on who those guys are.

        I guess we’ll see after the off-season trading and FA signing dust has settled.

      • esracerx46 - Jun 29, 2013 at 8:19 PM

        The Rangers turnover was self inflicted. They desperately wanted Nash and traded away their depth to get him. Add to that, Tortorella’s system getting stale and that’s why they struggled. Boston’s issues are solely salary cap related

  10. tcclark - Jun 29, 2013 at 2:07 PM

    If they get a top ten pick this year AND a good player this will be a hell of a trade for Boston. If they somehow land Drouin out of all of this it would be incredible for that franchise

    • hockeyflow33 - Jun 29, 2013 at 2:21 PM

      They won’t

  11. mrpinkca - Jun 29, 2013 at 2:07 PM

    #19 has one bad playoffs in Boston and gets traded? The Sharks are willing to send Brad Stuart again.

    • kovodisc - Jun 29, 2013 at 4:14 PM

      One bad playoffs??? What are you smokin’ homie?

      Look at the stats….nevermind – i’ll get them for you!

      In 42 games played (half of a season) he has a TOTAL of 18 points! 6 Goals 12 Assists.

      Keep in mind in his FIRST 2 GAMES he had a TOTAL of 7 points (3 Goals, 4 Assists).

      That means in the 40 games he’s played since he lit it up in Tampa, he has a total of 3 Goals, and 5 Assists! That’s AWFUL for the amount of money he is making.

      The numbers don’t lie. I’m ok with the B’s trading him as long as they get some decent value back – no doubt there’s a lot of value and skill there, but he’s just not fit for the system in Boston.

  12. matthews4 - Jun 29, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    And they want to extend this clown as a GM? How old is Segs 21? Isn’t exactly waiting forever to develop. Mean while 7 million that could be used on Rask is tied up in Peverly & Kelly. How many goals did they have combined? He is the only home run type threat we have. He played some good hockey after being moved with Kelly & Paille. Hate to say people but who played worse in SCF Segs or Chara? whom makes almost 7 million. I would definitely trade Seidenberg first. Bartkowski, Krug, and Hamilton are all ready for the next step. All I’m saying is if you are going trade core players make it the veterans who came up small when it counted, not the youth that are still learning. Bad GMing once again after Jagr and Kaberle I can’t wait to see what ill-advised player who “does not fit” we pick up next.

    • desertfan - Jun 29, 2013 at 9:52 PM

      Would be nice to have Kessel back!!!

  13. bkhockey3 - Jun 29, 2013 at 2:17 PM

    Seguin doesn’t fit in with Julien’s system. He doesn’t forecheck well and he doesn’t play puck possession hockey. He has improved his defense which is a plus, but I still don’t think Julien trusts him. Add that to some terrible signings by Chia (Kelly and Peverly combined $6 million+) and add some important free agents coming up when the salary cap is going down and it = something has to give.
    He will score 40 goals somewhere some year, but not with Julien as his coach.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if he scored 40 and finished the season -12 and was happy about it.

    • dearyxd - Jun 29, 2013 at 2:40 PM

      2011-2012 81games 29goals 38assist 67points +34
      2012-2013 48games 16goals 16assist 32points +23

  14. icelovinbrotha215 - Jun 29, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    I can imagine the B’s moving on from him. Then again, they could get a handsome return. I wouldn’t move him but you never know…

  15. hockeyflow33 - Jun 29, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    If you score goals, the Bruins aren’t interested in you

  16. sonofsamiam - Jun 29, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    I really don’t see this happening, and I suspect it is smoke and mirrors/market evaluation.

    On a side note, you’re getting closer with your Bruins cap estimations. Only 10% shy this time around. It’s all about progress.

  17. andyreidisfat - Jun 29, 2013 at 2:27 PM

    19 for Matt read and the flyers first. We’ll take the 21 year old your hands “because he hasn’t “developed” yet”…..

    Boston’s gm is almost as bad as homer here in Philly

  18. letsgopens8771 - Jun 29, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    Seguin was OK, not great last year. Bruins wont miss much by letting him go. However, Horton was a pain in the butt for not just my Pens in the playoffs. Letting him go will really sting the Bruins. This is where Toronto starts to raise its eyebrows. Im predicting that they make a play for him. Maybe a change of scenery is what he needs, you never know. I hear Tampa Bay is interested. They have the money to make it happen, however if there is one thing he is not, it’s Lecavaliers replacement.

    On another note, I hear a potential deal coming up between Philly and Edmonton. Word is Coburn and Pick #11 for Paajarvi and Pick #7.

    • letsgopens8771 - Jun 29, 2013 at 2:42 PM

      Update: Flyers are likely not going for #7, they want their 2nd rounder. Which would give them 3 2nd rounders this draft.

  19. colby7 - Jun 29, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    He spent too long overseas piling up garbage goals on garbage goaltenders, seems like he just never adjusted his shooting back to the NHL.

    I bet with a proper offseason and training camp he has a big comeback next year.

  20. stakex - Jun 29, 2013 at 3:16 PM

    One thing I will give Boston credit for is they won’t tie their entire cap up just to hang on to star players. This is why they beat the Pens, and why they will continue to be a threat. When you don’t spend most of your cap on a handful of players, you can have better 3rd/4th liners and be a much deeper team. This is a method that top GMs will be using in the coming years, and teams that refuse to allow top players to walk despite their drain on the cap will continue to fail in the playoffs.

    • hockeyflow33 - Jun 29, 2013 at 4:06 PM

      Check out their cap space and you’ll see they have 7 guys over $4m per year with one who will never play again

  21. garyleee - Jun 29, 2013 at 3:25 PM

    Time for Sequin to go. Not that great a player. Too bad had high hopes for him. Go Bruins!!!!

    • hockeyflow33 - Jun 29, 2013 at 4:04 PM

      I can’t wait for bandwagon fans like you to be gone again

  22. kingbuccaneer - Jun 29, 2013 at 4:00 PM

    As bad as we want Seg here in the Bay, there’s a zero percent chance we trade this year’s 1st for him and that contract. We just had to dump Vinny because of his monster deal.

  23. giantssb42champs - Jun 29, 2013 at 4:38 PM

    Segs didn’t exactly tear it up in the playoffs for the world to see.

  24. vipod4ever - Jun 29, 2013 at 7:06 PM

    Thorton Trade Redux….except the Bruins will be getting real future value in return. Seguin is also on the boards, unwilling to pay the price in the playoffs, which will never fly for the Boston brass. Send him to Edmonton…take your pick on young talent and a 1st rounder…thank you….btw, Thorton is Seguin in a bigger body come playoff time.

    • spitfisher - Jun 29, 2013 at 10:03 PM

      Thorton was traded for a couple of reasons, 1 was lack of leadership, awe shucks, uninspired play and because management saw a dynamic, young leader with a tremendous work ethic that they decided they would build a team around, That youngster was Patrice Bergeron.

      and this information came from Micheal OConnell, GM at the time and to some the fall guy. He eventually lost his job. The idea was proven to be the right one a few years later, with savard, chara and others coming on board. Mean while the sharks………..well we know of almost a decades worth of where’s Joe, when it comes play off time.

      • nhstateline - Jun 29, 2013 at 10:14 PM

        yep, that is the consistent explanation for trading Thornton from anyone who was around and will talk about it. they all say exactly this. I hate the idea of trading this kid. They only way I’d be ok with it is if they got excellent long term value not just a 1 or 2 year impact player.

  25. ray2013 - Jun 29, 2013 at 10:21 PM

    Here’s my trade suggestion: Calgary.

    Bos: Seguin Flames: #6 overall.

    The Flames get an instant #1 center who could be the face of the franchise, at a decent cap hit (and they have cap space anyways) while still having two other first round picks in a deep draft.

    The Bruins get cap savings, but also pick up a big two-way centeron a rookie contract.

    No?

    • ray2013 - Jun 29, 2013 at 10:22 PM

      I’m guessing they’d draft Monahan at #6 in my trade scenario.

  26. bhawk729 - Jun 30, 2013 at 10:18 AM

    Just think… Pens and Bruins gave up their 1st Rd picks (although late round picks) for Iggy and Jagr, respectively. Blackhawks still have theirs.

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