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Shanahan: Eliminating spin-o-rama protects ‘integrity’ of shootout goals

Jun 28, 2013, 11:36 AM EDT

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On Thursday, we moved one step closer to the NHL ditching the spin-o-rama in shootouts. The league’s Board of Governors gave their approval of the change, which now just needs to go through the NHLPA for one final okay.

Spin-o-ramas can be fun to watch, but NHL disciplinarian Brendan Shanahan argues that this is a matter of “integrity.”

“I think that there’s some very entertaining moves that you can still do in a shootout,” Shanahan told the Sporting News. “I think when we looked at some of the spin-o-ramas, there was a lot of interference with goaltenders, there was a lot of questions as to whether the puck was still moving forward or the player was still moving forward.

“So, certainly it’s all about entertainment, but it’s also about the integrity of the goal. I think that, over time, that’s become more and more in question.

“In communicating with the NHLPA and the competition committee, they agreed, and the goaltenders, and the forwards, and the scorers—is it entertaining? Yes. Is it always agreed upon that these goals have the integrity of what should be a goal? Not necessarily.

“So I think that was the reason, and when you look at some of the goals I’ve seen from guys like (Calder Trophy winner Jonathan) Huberdeau and (Detroit Red Wings star Pavel) Datsyuk, it doesn’t have to be a spin-o-rama to be an entertaining goal in a shootout.”

Shanahan is obviously far from the only critic of the spin-o-rama. Mike Milbury strongly argued against it in 2012:

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  1. rpiotr01 - Jun 28, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    The spin-o-rama during a shoot out hurts the integrity of the game.

    Referees refusing to call blatant penalties during the playoffs does not.

    Got it.

    • nyrnashty - Jun 28, 2013 at 11:53 AM

      You have to let the boys play during the playoffs. It’s not the regular season. The best 5-5 team should be able to win the cup, not the team that has a great pp, Each team would have like 10 pp’s a game if it was called like the regular season and that would be pretty boring. It wouldn’t even be hockey.

      • micklethepickle - Jun 28, 2013 at 12:05 PM

        It’s comments like these why Raffi Torres and Matt Cooke have a bigger impact in the playoffs than players like Hossa, Crosby, and Karlssen. You sure you want to “let the boys play”? It’s stupid. Games on their own are defined by the rules that limit them. It’s the case of sports, video games, and even chess. If what you say is true, I could be the Grand Master of chess by stabbing my opponent in the eye with the Queen piece. Hey, it’s against the RULES of the game, but just let us sort it out at the table, right?

        Hockey really needs to get their officiating in check. Of course, so does basketball, and soccer, and baseball… American football probably has the best system (minus that absurd referee lockout last season).

      • f2maestro - Jun 28, 2013 at 12:06 PM

        If it’s a penalty in the first period of a regular season game, it should still be a penalty in game 7, double OT of the SCF. If you want to maintain the Integrity of the Game, then penalties need to be consistent.

        I personally would like the Spin-O-Rama to stay in the shootout so long as the Goalie isn’t interfered with and the puck does not move backwards; That’s how the shootout is supposed to be anyways.

        Funny how this comes back to calls not being made.

      • f2maestro - Jun 28, 2013 at 12:07 PM

        @micklethepickle – I agree with you, however Soccer is on a whole other level, hah. If Hockey ever gets that bad I’ll just stop watching it all together.

      • endusersolutions2013 - Jun 28, 2013 at 12:08 PM

        Head shots, and the concussions they can trigger cannot be ignored. And because they are not gives players a “green light” to do so. Chara did an elbow to the head of Toes AFTER leveling him in game 5, and Boychuck did a forearm to the head during another takedown. No surprise he could not play 3rd period.

        And, gasp, it had been the Toews/Kane/Bickell line that was causing the most damage in games 4 and 5.

        How did not penalizing those headshots demonstrate integrity?

    • lesleyvissersfacelift - Jun 28, 2013 at 12:04 PM

      The shootout hurts the integrity of the game.

    • lesleyvissersfacelift - Jun 28, 2013 at 12:05 PM

      I have always hated 4 on 4 overtime too. What’s wrong with ties, anyway?

      • timmeh022 - Jun 28, 2013 at 2:24 PM

        Ties are for soccer players. This is an American sports league, we need a winner.

    • seahawks19081 - Jun 28, 2013 at 1:56 PM

      The shoot out hurts the integrity of the game. It was put in to draw fans to the game that had no interest in the sport. My wife, who despises hockey, roots for a shoot out every night.

  2. davebabychreturns - Jun 28, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    Never thought I’d hear “shootouts” and “integrity” used in the same sentence.

    • kwells44 - Jun 28, 2013 at 1:11 PM

      Damn! Beat me to it!

  3. endusersolutions2013 - Jun 28, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    I remember the hit Raffi Torres put on Hossa in the playoffs where he left his feet to target the head of the player who was causing the Yotes the most problems. Hossa left on a stretcher direct to a hospital aster being laid out for a while. The hit got a 25 day suspension, after the game. No call during the game. How that was not a 5 minute major and game misconduct I’ll never know.

  4. r4n6er - Jun 28, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    This isn’t usually a primary move for a shooter. Generally after the shootout drags on for a while someone tries something different and low-and-behold sin-o-ramas tend to work. I am not sure how you can take it out when it adheres to all rules regarding the shootout…

  5. Stiller43 - Jun 28, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    I dont have strong feelings either way about the “integrity” of the spin.

    I feel i’d be pretty cheesed if the pens gave up a spin o rama SO goal though…so i’ll give this the a-okay.

  6. micklethepickle - Jun 28, 2013 at 12:06 PM

    When you’re willing to let something as farcical as a shootout decide games in the first place, what the hell difference does the spin-o-rama make? Take a hike Shanahan, you suck!

  7. silversun60 - Jun 28, 2013 at 12:14 PM

    Why don’t we ACTUALLY protect the integrity of the game and have 3 on 3 then 2 on 2 after 4 on 4 instead of shootouts.

    Then the hockey game would be ended by…you know… actual HOCKEY.

    • hockeydon10 - Jun 28, 2013 at 2:21 PM

      WTF?

      3 on 3 is hockey? I’ve never seen 3 on 3 during a game, let alone 2 on 2.

  8. sjsharks66 - Jun 28, 2013 at 12:15 PM

    I wish the NHL would eliminate Shanaban. He is hurting the integrity of the game more than a spin-o-rama.

  9. jeffchadwick - Jun 28, 2013 at 12:17 PM

    I’d rather they’d get rid of the Patrick Kane almost-but-not-quite come to a dead stop shootout try than the spin-o-rama. Talk about unfair for goalkeepers…

    • timmeh022 - Jun 28, 2013 at 2:28 PM

      key phrase- “almost-but-not-quite.” He’s still moving forward to the net with the puck moving forward as well, which abides by the rules of a shootout.

  10. isithockeyseasonyet - Jun 28, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    If you want to keep the stupid shootout then regulation wins need to be worth 3 points

  11. jakreidler - Jun 28, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    Wait, I have an idea: waive off spin-o-rama goals where the shooter makes contact with the goalie, and allow better executed spin-o-rama goals where the shooter actually beats the goalie fairly. See: Stamkos.

    Also, you could solve the shootout integrity problem while preserving the fan service by making shootout wins only worth tie breaker points, like the ROW points in the current system.

  12. ndrick731 - Jun 28, 2013 at 1:16 PM

    You want to protect the integrity of the game then get rid of shootouts.

  13. drstinkynuts - Jun 28, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    The shootout compromises the integrity of the game. Shanaban THAT!

  14. supercoop8 - Jun 28, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    Do people really not understand that this wasn’t Shanahan’s decision, I understand throwing him under the bus for inconsistencies in suspensions but people seem to think he has way more power than he actually does.

    • hockeydon10 - Jun 28, 2013 at 2:23 PM

      People are simple. They want a single target to vent against. They don’t want to put thought into it.

  15. stratomaticfan - Jun 28, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    Did he really use integrity and shootout in the same sentence? Shootout is a joke. Make them play hockey to determine a winner, not partake in a skills competition. Shootout is a joke.

    • slam922 - Jun 28, 2013 at 5:01 PM

      Totally agree. It’s like in basketball if there was a tie….you make the teams play a game of horse to decide the winner. It’s a farce. 5 minutes of 4 on 4 in OT is enough. If it’s a tie…it’s a tie. Each team get’s a point…..and NO points should go to the loser.

  16. JB (the original) - Jun 28, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    1. If it isn’t going away, could they just run a “laser” line that progresses towards the endline at some predetermined rate, and the shooter needs to keep the puck ahead of that line as it moves along?

    2. In the “shoot out” rules, is the goalie restricted as to how far out of the goal he can come? I just wonder if you might catch someone off guard if shortly after the shooter starts his run, the goalie bullrushes him Tyson style

  17. northstarnic - Jun 28, 2013 at 4:24 PM

    How about they protect the integrity of the league by eliminating the shoot?

  18. kwells44 - Jun 28, 2013 at 4:47 PM

    Apparently, a tie has no integrity?

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