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If Horton’s unavailable, will Seguin step up?

Jun 14, 2013, 8:04 AM EST

Tyler Seguin #19 of the Boston Bruins bounces a puck on his stick during warm ups against the Chicago Blackhawks in Game one of the 2013 Stanley Cup Final at United Center on June 12, 2013 in Chicago, Illinois.
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Boston Bruins forward Nathan Horton is day-to-day with a suspected shoulder injury and it’s not clear if he’ll be available for Game 2 of the Stanley Cup Final on Saturday.

Horton has 18 points in 17 playoff games and was serving on a wildly successful line with Milan Lucic and David Krejci.

Jordan Caron will probably be inserted into the lineup if Horton’s out, but Caron won’t be the one that takes Horton’s top line spot. That assignment will likely go to Tyler Seguin.

Seguin skated alongside Milan Lucic and David Krejci after Horton left Game 1 in the dying minutes of the first overtime period. In terms of skill, Seguin isn’t out of place on the first line, but he hasn’t been producing lately. The 21-year-old forward has just one goal and five points in 17 postseason contests.

“He’s been skating well. To me right now, the only thing he needs to do is to be able to finish. If he can finish, it will certainly help his confidence, help our hockey club,” Bruins coach Claude Julien told CSN New England. “But [I’m] not criticizing his work ethic because he’s competing hard and he’s got some chances.

“Those things are certainly a positive thing. So there’s only one thing left to do, and you hope for his sake and our sake that [the offense] comes along.”

  1. bigblackzaranek - Jun 14, 2013 at 8:14 AM

    so… the derek roy trade?

    • govtminion - Jun 14, 2013 at 9:12 AM

      And you thought the Rask trade was one-sided!

  2. dropthepuckeh - Jun 14, 2013 at 8:17 AM

    Seguin needs to take a look around him at the players sacrificing their bodies, Campbell breaking a leg, Horton’s shoulder, Kelly’s facial gash, Ference breaking foot, Bergeron bloodied….and adjust his priorities. It is so frustrating to see Seguin do whatever it takes to avoid getting hit. He is probably the fastest player on team and yet he consistently finds ways to not be the first into the corner. Maybe he was lighting it up on the scoreboard you could give him a pass but he isn’t doing anything other than collecting a huge paycheck and living off of the 2011 Cup during which he was good but certainly not great.

    All of the pomp and circumstance surrounding Seguin is still based on his potential. Meanwhile there are players his age and younger who are developing much faster and better. There is no way now, hindsight being what it is, that he and Taylor should have been considered 1 and 1A in the draft. I’d take Taylor over Seguin in a heartbeat. I hope he sees that he is wasting the best years of his career with this effort. He could go down as one of the all-time busts in the “potential” department. I still hold out hope he can turn it around with the help of the examples of the players around him like Bergeron and Krejci but I fear their maturity is far beyond what he can realize in the next few years.

    • freestyle1022 - Jun 14, 2013 at 8:31 AM

      Big critic of Seguin here, but you have you have to think that 1) he’s still young and 2) hope he uses the disappointment of this season to turn it around next year. Maybe he needed a wake up call. He was the leading scorer on the Bruins in 11/12, so not everything can be too negative. Just a bad year with the cause most likely being the bad habits of playing in Switzerland and then never getting going here. Confidence is key with him.

      With that said, he needs to grow a pair and a fill Horton’s production if he cant go.

      • themohel - Jun 14, 2013 at 9:35 AM

        Hawks fan here. These comments on Seguin are interesting from my perspective in Chicago. Seguin played in Switzerland with Patrick Kane, who previously has had a few similar comments directed at him by Hawks fans. For Kane, there is a belief among fans that his time in Europe helped his game and has led to him having a very good year. I guess the bottom line is that these guys are really still kids who will physically and mentally mature at different rates. Some are fully focused at 18, and some take a lot longer. From my point of view, I’d hang in there with Seguin a bit longer, although I know the ride can be frustrating.

        Great hockey in Game 1; could be a classic series!

      • dropthepuckeh - Jun 14, 2013 at 9:51 AM

        themohel – You are absolutely right but it is so frustrating. When I read that Kane and Seguin were playing together in Switz I thought the worst. The last thing he needed is another young millionaire single guy to encourage his behavior. They both seemed to do well over though, in part maybe to the larger ice surface suiting their games more. I wish the Bruins had insisted on Seguin living with a host family when he first made the team. Instead he got his own place. I’ve heard a lot about how Bergeron lived with Marty Lapointe and his family when he first made the team. Bergeron credits a lot of what he learned from Lapointe and what he showed him off the ice. He ate meals with them, had a routine and stayed out of bars etc.

        I totally understand it must be an insane distraction to be 21 years old, single and incredibly rich with access to cars, clubs and tons of hot young women, but some of these guys handle it and some of them get consumed by it. You hope that Seguin grows up a little more. I think playing against Kane, his friend who is now lighting it up, will help motivate him. He has the skill to be a great player.

      • tlndma - Jun 14, 2013 at 10:03 AM

        I know Seguin has parts to his game that need improving. That said, can we all remember that he had a decent season while playing with Bergeron and Marchand. His linemates now, Kelly and Peverly, have one point in the playoffs (33Games). That’s pathetic. They both had lousy regular seasons too. I have hope that Seguin, playing with better players, gets his confidence back.
        I’m more concerned that the Bruins will be playing with a shortened bench. Whomever comes into the line-up (Caron, Pandolfo) is a drop off. The only scoring threat at all, on the bottom two lines, now is Paille.

      • themohel - Jun 14, 2013 at 11:41 AM

        Dropthepuckeh – I completely understand the frustration. There have been times Hawks fans have felt the exact same thing with Kane. They are so talented – enough to be really elite players – that it is hard to understand how they aren’t always fully engaged. Plenty in Chicago (including me at times) were ready to give up on him at 21 or so. It is really hard to wait for the prime of a guy like that, but their prime is often 25-30. Seguin’s talent is good enough to be worth the wait, imo. But I completely get how frustrating it can be.

    • kcbruinsfan - Jun 14, 2013 at 11:21 AM

      Not saying there aren’t holes in Seguins game, clearly there are, but think we need to cut the kid a little bit of slack. He led the team in points last season and was in the mix this year (tied for 3rd) playing on a line with Bergeron and Marchand (1st and tied for 3rd respectively). For the playoffs he was moved to 3rd line and playing with Kelly and Peverly who have been simply horrible (a combined 1 point between them in 17 games). Hard to see Seguin putting up signifcant offensive numbers playing with that pair.

      Could he be more physical, absolutely, but is that what is really needed from him. He has played fairly effectively all season and is solid defensively without being overly physical. Just not part of his game. My hope is his offensive numbers will go up playing with Krejci and Lucic on the top line and getting away from the drain that is that third line (something that needs to be addressed in the off season). We’ll see if that happens or not, but I’m not willing to sell him as a bust at this point.

      As far as comparing him to Hall goes, that is a tough comparison to make. Going into the draft everyone knew that Hall plays a more physical game and would have been a better natural fit for the Bruins style of play. Nothing has changed since the draft. Seguin’s talents and style of play didn’t change on draft day, Edmonton simply drafted the player that more natural meets the Bruins system. That said, comparing the two players doesn’t seem entirely fair. Hall has been a top 6 forward since he entered the league playing for a team that is entirely offensively focused – trying to outscore opponents because they are defensively suspect. Seguin plays on a defensively focused team and has shared significant periods of time outside of the top 6. Hall’s style of play has also resulted in more time spent injured. Not sure Seguin’s missed any time as a result of injury.

      Let’s see how he does if Horton can’t go and give him a little more time before we run him out of town. Only players I see on the roster that absolutely need to go are Kelly and Peverley.

    • bildomatic - Jun 14, 2013 at 12:14 PM

      Dropthepuckeh Seguin is 3rd in points in his draft class behind Hall (145pts) and Skinner (131pts) with 121pts. I would hardly say that he is an “All-Time Bust” or that players his age are developing much fast and better. He plays in a system that preaches defensive responsibility rather than a team like the Oilers that resemble beer league shoot outs every night so the fact that he is only 10pts behind Skinner and 24 behind Hall is about right. Everyone is quick to jump to conclusions about Tyler, but I think it is a bit too early to write him off. He led the team in points last season and his 16 goals this season were good for 2nd on the team and translate to 27 goals in a 82 game season. Since Kessel left the Bruins have had exactly 1 30 goal scorer (Lucic) and my opinion Seguin will be the next to hit that mark.

      Is he struggling to find his grove in the postseason? Absolutely. Some of that can be attributed to his drop to the 3rd line and some of it is just a sniper who has lost his confidence and swagger. Maybe a cheap one gets him going, maybe being bumped up into the top six does it as well. I just think it is time to take a step back before we are ready to call him an “All-Time Bust”

      • dropthepuckeh - Jun 14, 2013 at 1:27 PM

        I am definitely not saying he IS an all-time bust, I said he could be. Not a game goes by that I don’t say to myself, this is where he breaks out and shows us what he’s got. How many times have we heard that once he gets one then a bunch are coming?? He finally got one against the Rangers and look what happened – nothing.

        As for his drop to the 3rd line – of course he was, he was horrible and they were looking for something to wake him up. He wasn’t dropped to provide a spark to that pathetic line. It was a demotion plain and simple. I agree he has improved his defensive game and if that’s what we remember from him from this time when he goes onto become an elite all around player than awesome. I don’t think there is any excuse for him to bail out on any contact whenever someone is lining him up. Sometimes you need to take a hit to make a play. Look at Krejci’s pass to Horton on Lucic’s first goal on Wed. He got nailed and he knew it was coming. Seguin doesn’t need to seek out hits and I totally understand not wanting to be hit but this is hockey.

        He will be bumped up to the top six but not for merit. I think he needs to spend less time on social media and picking his next tattoo and more time learning from the veterans and acting humble.

      • hockeyflow33 - Jun 14, 2013 at 4:37 PM

        An all-time bust would be someone who failed to make the NHL, not a kid who is playing for his 2nd Cup in 3 years.

    • bildomatic - Jun 14, 2013 at 2:19 PM

      I just laugh at all the Seguin hate. The kid is good, yes he needs to absorb hits and there are flaws to his game, but he is absolutely hated on everyday when Jagr literally hasn’t scored a goal in the playoffs and all you hear is all the great things he does yadda yadda yadda and no one is clamoring to demote him? Kelly and Peverley combined have 33gp 1g 0a 1pt and a -15. Yet Seguin is public enemy #1 all day everyday? Everyone relax take a breath, he isn’t going to be a superstar yet and maybe the hype machine that was created about him was too much, but to say he could be an all time potential bust because he doesn’t take a hit? Or because he has 1 goal in the playoffs? What’s next Jagr doesn’t get into the HOF because he didn’t score in these playoffs? They’re down 1 game, Tyler is fine, he isn’t going to be a point a game guy because frankly the Bruins system isn’t built around one guy and I am fine with that. If anything since being demoted I have seen Seguin buy into that role and worry about his own end and not giving one up more than anything else.

      • dropthepuckeh - Jun 14, 2013 at 2:36 PM

        No hate dude, just think it is time he grow up and start acting like a third year player who was the 2nd pick overall. Jagr is not afraid to get hit. Jagr holds onto the puck (usually too much). Jagr is a first ballot HOF player who makes things happen. Seguin hasn’t earned anything.

        I agree that Kelly and Peverley have been awful this year and playoffs. I think they should be bought out or traded but this article was about Seguin so it made sense to talk about him.

        FYI – Horton is practicing right now (2:35pm) right now but Seguin is riding with Lucic and Krejci.

      • bildomatic - Jun 14, 2013 at 2:47 PM

        Fair enough, trust me in a perfect world Horton is healthy and we proceed with the status quo. Go B’s

  3. dboldave - Jun 14, 2013 at 8:39 AM

    He’s a lot like Patrick Kane was a few years back, meaning he liked to party it up! I hope he matures and finds his game because he’s got skill and speed, just needs to learn how to carry the puck and take contact. He loses the puck with any type of contact and it’s frustrating to watch. I wish he’d study Krejci and learn to be patient. Right now he gains the zone and either dashes for the net and ends up losing the puck or he shoots it for a low percentage shot. Someone needs to teach him a curl move already!

  4. odj810 - Jun 14, 2013 at 10:16 AM

    I am a huge seguin critic also but I think he played a good game one. I believe he scores in game2 and gets going. His compete has been good. He just can’t finish but he is making plays and flying up and down the ice.
    I wanT Hamilton inserted into lineup if Horta can’t go. He has a big body great offensive ability and at worst he’s gonna give you a better 8 min then Caron or sodden he also is a huge upgrade on the pp. throw him out there w pev and daug man and see what he can bring u

  5. hockeyflow33 - Jun 14, 2013 at 4:38 PM

    You wonder why he isn’t producing? It’s because he’s a top 6 player playing with bottom 6 forwards. I like the top two lines as they currently stand but in keeping those players there, you can’t also expect Seguin to light it up with defense-first players.

    • bigbadbruins77 - Jun 15, 2013 at 12:40 AM

      I agree, I’d like to see him back on the Marchy Bergie line, but Jagr has fit well there too. I just miss Segs speed on that line. I guess we will see next year if I’m right or not, b/c Jagr is a rental.

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