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Sabres, Avalanche talking about top pick

Jun 13, 2013, 10:22 AM EDT


Could the Colorado Avalanche send the first overall pick in the 2013 NHL Entry Draft to the Buffalo Sabres? The two sides have at the very least talked about it, according to Sabres director of amateur scouting Kevin Devine.

“We have had conversations with Colorado… I think it’s how far they want to move back,” Devine told WGR 550. “And you take the situation in Colorado and where there’s a new regime in there with Joe Sakic and Patrick Roy.

“I don’t think Patrick came in there with the idea of a long rebuild. So I think they might be willing to listen to a few things.”

Devine added that he thinks the Avalanche are engaged in internal meetings this week and that talks will resume “at some point.”

Although discussing a trade and actually pulling the trigger on one are two very different things, this isn’t out of the realm of possibilities. After all, new Avalanche head coach Patrick Roy did raise the possibility of Colorado moving the pick.

The Sabres currently control the eighth and 16th overall picks. The 2013 NHL Entry Draft is believed to be unusually deep, so those selections could turn into a pair of very good players.

Meanwhile, the team that controls the top pick will get to choose between defenseman Seth Jones and forwards Nathan MacKinnon and Jonathan Drouin. Each of those three has the potential to develop into the kind of guy you can build a franchise around.

  1. 24/7 Hockey - Jun 13, 2013 at 10:44 AM

    This one doesnt make sense if the Avalanche are only getting two first round draft picks in return for the number one overall pick. The Avs should draft Seth Jones who is a big strong puck moving defensemen and if he stays healthy will be one of the best in the NHL for a long time. Maybe they know something about Jones that we don’t but poor decisions like this have got the Avs to the bottom of the NHL. Stick with the number one pick and get a face for the franchise.

    • timmeh022 - Jun 13, 2013 at 10:55 AM

      Jones, MacKinnon, and Drouin should be locked into those first 3 spots. I’m just hoping Feaster and the Flames Organization is smart enough to take Lindholm at 6 if available seeing as they won’t get any of the top three, I think Lindholm has a bunch of upside to him.

      • atwatercrushesokoye - Jun 13, 2013 at 5:11 PM

        I’m hoping they get Barkov if they don’t trade up (Eric Francis thinks they’ll try as hard as they can to move into the top 3) Barkov is the big number 1 center they need and he was almost a point a game player (47 points in 51 games) in a defensive league playing against grown men in the Finnish elite league.

      • timmeh022 - Jun 14, 2013 at 9:34 AM

        Lindholm is a complete Two Way Forward and plays a lot bigger than he is. With the draft pool being this deep I don’t see the need to trade up, but the Flames front office has left me scratching my head before.

    • valarmorghuliss - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:48 AM

      “Will be one of the best in the NHL for a long time”
      Far too common mistake made by way too many people on message boards.

      He’s a big rookie NHL D man, and if you don’t know that it’s a 50/50 proposition that he will pan out the way you described you should change your name, because someone named 24/7hockey shouldn’t need to be told that.

    • elvispocomo - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:10 PM

      “One of the best in the NHL for a long time” sounds familiar. I’m pretty sure they said that about Alex Daigle and Patrik Stefan too. A top pick is great, and I think they stick with it, but there are no guarantees about anything.

      • 24/7 Hockey - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:53 PM

        Both of those picks were foreign players in the 1990s as well. I would say scouting is at least a little bit better nowadays. And the further you go down in the draft when trading down the less likely you know what your getting

      • elvispocomo - Jun 13, 2013 at 3:39 PM

        Sure, but my point stands that as former 1st overall picks, there’s no guarantees they become solid NHL players, let alone franchise cornerstones.

        Heck, look at the Blackhawks, who drafted Cam Barker 3rd overall in 2004. He’s fighting each summer for an NHL job and they’ve had a better return on Duncan Keith, drafted in the 2nd round in 2002.

    • valoisjoeybfeld69 - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:48 PM

      I don’t think anyone is insinuating a straight swap; first pick for picks 8th and 16th. These 2 picks can be part of the package deal which would include some bodies.

      • 24/7 Hockey - Jun 13, 2013 at 2:54 PM

        Agree with that just don’t know what or who they would be getting in return to justify it. Both teams are poor and really don’t have much to offer in the way of assets at this point. Doubt they would be giving up Ryan Miller and even then he probably wouldn’t sign after the season.

    • box080809 - Jun 13, 2013 at 9:40 PM

      Alexander Daigle was Canadian. He was considered unanimous number one selection. Look who was taken second, Chris Pronger. How about this for a reason to consider trading the number one pick. Look at 2006. Erik Johnson was taken first overall. He was a dominent junior player that was taken ahead of Jordan Staal, Jonathon Toews, Phil Kessel, and Nick Backstrom. He is actually playing for Colorado, and I would not consider him to be a superstar. This is expected to be a draft similar to 2003 with lots of depth. They could turn that one “potential” superstar into two. Look at where Corey Perry and Ryan Getslaf were drafted that year, 28th & 19th. An 8th and a 16th has potential to be better than the one taken first overal Marc Andre Fleury.

  2. bagjr387 - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    8,16, Ryan Miller for 1st overall….I would do it if I was Darcy….

    • mehetmet - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:05 PM

      so would a ton of other people, thing is trades arent decided by one team. Is that what the Av’s really want?

      • rabidbillsfan - Jun 13, 2013 at 3:14 PM

        Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense, make that move and that would end your role as an NHL GM real fast. 2 top picks and an All-world Goaltender for a 50/50 shot at a franchise player. Both picks will be involved, maybe with a 3rd pick in the 2nd round and a tier-2 player, like a defenseman, makes more sense.

  3. tru2joelu4eva - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:06 AM

    this is all so very, very stupid. draft seth jones!!!!!!!

  4. usher716 - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:10 AM

    Roy won a cup on a team that traded its 1st overall pick for a boatload of players (Lindros deal) wouldn’t surprise me to see Miller, Vanek, Myers, both 1sts, and maybe some other young pieces like Hodgson, Ennis, etc… on the want list for the Avs.

    • valarmorghuliss - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:50 AM

      You just went WAY too far
      Vanek AND Myers AND both firsts? Keep dreaming man.
      And the Avs don’t want Miller

      • mikebel11 - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:53 PM

        You obviously didn’t go too far in elementary school level English comprehension. He said those would be the players the Avs are interested in, not that all of those would be included in the trade.

  5. wallio - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:17 AM

    As a Sabres fan, I have to ask……why? This draft isn’t THAT good.

    • timmeh022 - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:21 AM

      This is why we can’t have nice things.

    • Windmiller4 - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:41 PM

      As an 19 year old who’s grown up playing against quite a few of these players, I can easily say this will be one of the deepest drafts we’ve seen

  6. withseidelinn - Jun 13, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    Vanek and the 16th. I think that’s fair value. Maybe another roster player on the Sabres..

    • valarmorghuliss - Jun 13, 2013 at 1:44 PM

      No chance the Avs are accepting 16th and a soon to be UFA

  7. pensman29 - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:07 PM

    I see vanek or Myers and the 8th pick if they r gonna make a trade. But if the sabers trade vanek or Myers or miller they will have to go into a full blown rebuild, And that’s not what they want to do.

  8. leeeroooyjeeenkiiins - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    Meanwhile, the Lightning would have to give up a LOT less than the Sabers(since we’re picking 3rd), yet according to Yzerman we aren’t even looking into it. Assuming he’s telling the truth and not just throwing out a smokescreen, that’s pretty frustrating. Our organization has an overflow of forwards but very little defensive depth, and one of the best defensive prospects in a while is sitting there with Colorado ready to move.

    I’m not saying we HAVE to make a deal because no one knows exactly what the Avs are asking for in return, but it would be a huge mistake to not be trying very hard to move up. Between Ohlund, Vinny, Marty and Stammer, we’re going to have very little cap room for the next few years and Jones is probably the best chance we’re going to get at acquiring young defensive talent that’s NHL ready anytime soon.

  9. travishenryskid - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    I have a suspicion that Devine might be regretting his words. The Sabres are usually very tight to the vest and have now created an expectation that may be hard to match.

    I’d think they would need to get to 4 before Roy would consider moving so they could grab Barkov or Drouin. But, for the fun of it, it might be Myers + Grigorenko (Roy pupil) + 8 + 16 for 1 + Jones (salary to offset Myers). Maybe more.

  10. fallen737 - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:23 PM

    the sabres have really good goalies in their system so if miller was to be traded he wouldn’t necessarily be missed. he had a really rough year and I believe unless he gets moved to a team that faces a little bit less shots he won’t be who he once was. and to the guy that said this draft isn’t that good. what planet are you from

  11. mehetmet - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:29 PM

    I think the only way Sabres get to #1 is to make two trades

    #8+#16 + Vanek to Nashville for #4 + Round 3 pick + prospect

    #4 + Miller + Grigorenko to Colorado for #1 + Varlamov

  12. sabres6326 - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    I’m thinking there’s a strong change the Avs want Grigo, Miller wants out, and we have 2 firsts
    Myers shouldn’t be traded because he has the ceiling to be a top 5 d-man in the league with some discipline and the right coaching
    I have huge faith in Enroth and Hackett along with the other prospects moving forward, so id be willing to give up maybe
    Miller + Stafford/Grigo + 16th for the 1st and take MacKinnon
    then with the 8th try and get Nurse

  13. Windmiller4 - Jun 13, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    If the sabres want that pick they’re gonna have to give up some of the following, Myers, Vanek, Grigorenko, Ennis, the 8th pick, and the 16th pick. The Avs need Defense, so Myers would be in the deal, they have Varlamov (who for all we know could still pan out, he’s shown flashes) so they wont be asking for Miller, and I would say Vanek is in there to add a scoring touch that the Avs need. Keep in mind they also have Stastny, who will be a great bargining chip with the emergence of Duchene. So my proposed trade is:

    To Buffalo
    1st overall pick
    David Jones

    To Colorado
    8th Overall Pick
    Tyler Myers
    Tomas Vanek
    2nd/3rd round pick

    • avsfan0902 - Jun 14, 2013 at 11:58 AM

      The avs are for sure gonna want Myers problem is he has a no trade clause. I also think the avs are open to moving O’reilly in this deal.

      To Buffalo
      1st pick
      david jones

      To colorado
      Myers (if he waives no trade clause)
      Tyler Ennis
      OR Nathan Gerbe
      16th pick
      (add Mikhail Grigorenko and Brayden McNabb,if Tyler Myers doesn’t waive no trade clause)

  14. brisager - Jun 13, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    I hope they don’t trade Grigorenko and why would Roy want him, for a forth line center. They are stacked down the middle even with prospects they don’t need centers they need defense. I don’t see a trade I see Roy and Regier getting publicity he will not move his pick they likes the media attention.

  15. wingz101 - Jun 13, 2013 at 4:39 PM

    It would probably take a pretty bold GM to go out at get that first overall pick from Roy. Unfortunately for Sabres fans, Regier has zero track record for being bold or making decisive moves. His rep around the league is that he beats around the bush so much that the opposing GM’s just lose interest … funny, that is how the Sabres looked the last couple of season: uninterested.

    With that team, the problem is at the top. There are a lot of good players there, they just need someone there who knows what he is doing when it comes to building a winning program.

    Regier ain’t it.

  16. sabre4life - Jun 13, 2013 at 5:15 PM

    Any team would have to give a sizable package to get this year’s number 1 pick. The draft is a crap shoot. For every Sidney Crosby, there’s an Alexandre Daigle. But I think it would be well worth the risk, this year for the Sabres. Sure I think Roy would want to coach Grigo again..and I think the Avs want to make immediate improvements. I could see Miller, Myers, Grigorenko & the 16th pick going to Colorado in exchange for the 1st pick & Paul Stasny.

  17. tomklassen - Jun 13, 2013 at 9:15 PM

    Anything nore than Myers and the #8 is an overpay, and frankly why would they trade a future franchise defenseman for another one, plus a good prospect? Read between the lines, the Avs want a quicker rebuild!

    Ryan Miller
    #16 overall pick
    Cody Hodgson

    If my prediction is correct, the Sabres will pick Mackinnon over Jones.

  18. mz1394 - Jun 14, 2013 at 7:44 AM

    Not happening why would the avs want either or both of the sabers picks or their crappy players with expiring contracts next year unless they can acquire the third overall then trade that w a player or two. Dream on saber fan and enjoy missing the playoffs AGAIN

  19. avsfan0902 - Jun 14, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    The avs are for sure gonna want Myers problem is he has a no trade clause. I also think the avs are open to moving O’reilly in this deal.

    To Buffalo
    1st pick
    david jones

    To colorado
    Myers (if he waives no trade clause)
    Tyler Ennis
    OR Nathan Gerbe
    16th pick
    (add Mikhail Grigorenko and Brayden McNabb,if Tyler Myers doesn’t waive no trade clause)

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