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McKenzie: Flyers may be really busy this summer

Jun 9, 2013, 10:44 AM EDT

One team that figures to be busy no matter what this summer are the Philadelphia Flyers and TSN’s Bob McKenzie helped amp up the speculation.

McKenzie tweeted some thoughts on the Flyers’ situation that are sure to get Flyers fans anxious for at least the June 30 NHL Draft when trade shenanigans take over.

According to CapGeek.com, buying out Ilya Bryzgalov would leave the Flyers on the hook to pay him until the 2026-2027 season but they’d be free of his $5.67 million cap hit and become an instant wild-card to pursue another goaltender.

As for moving either Brayden Schenn or Sean Couturier for a top-end defenseman, that makes a lot of sense because Philly lacks a No. 1 blue liner. To get you have to give, as they say, and while the Flyers love both Schenn and Couturier their defense last season was in shambles and needs improvement. Finding that No. 1 defender to deal for, however, is the hard part.

  1. pitpenguinsrulez - Jun 9, 2013 at 10:48 AM

    Aren’t the Flyers still over the salary cap as well?

    • girouxvy - Jun 9, 2013 at 11:54 AM

      Yup.

    • stakex - Jun 9, 2013 at 12:21 PM

      Actually no.

      While CapGeek does in fact list them as $2.5 million over the Cap, that’s misleading. First of all, Pronger will be placed on IR and his $5 million cap hit will come off the books. The Flyers then have 7 defensemen and 14 forwards on the roster as well as two goalies… when you only need 21 players. So through some trades or sending some guys down they could free up more space.

      • soj83 - Jun 9, 2013 at 4:05 PM

        His cap hit actually doesn’t come off the books, it’s more complicated than that. They are still over the cap with him on LTIR because there is no LTIR in the offseason. When you put a player on LTIR you stay at the total that you are at and then can use the equivalent of that players salary to add players. The only way you would get to go Prongers full cap hit over the cap is if the Flyers were exactly at the cap ceiling.

        An example is if they were 2.5 mil under the cap, then put Prongers 5 mil on LTIR, they would be able to spend 2.5 mil over the cap, not 5 mil over the cap because they had 2.5 mil to spare when they made the move. They would also have to make a move in the offseason to get that 2.5 off their cap before the start of next season BEFORE they put Pronger back on LTIR. This is the reason why the Bruins haven’t put Savard on LTIR and other teams haven’t either.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Jun 9, 2013 at 12:58 PM

      If Briere and Bryz are bought out they will have a cushion (plus Pronger’s LTIR exception). And beyond that, Hartnell’s name will probably come up in trade rumors, as he’s due a raise and they will have to resign Giroux, BSchenn, Couturier, and Read soon. Ottawa seems like a possible destination for Hartnell. And I wouldn’t be surprised if Holmgren tried to deal Coburn or Mezsaros, altho the return wouldn’t be substantial.

      • ikillchicken - Jun 9, 2013 at 3:55 PM

        Alex Edler would probably be on the market for the right price. Vancouver has a couple of young defenseman who are ready to step up into bigger roles. Edler is likely the best defenseman available and one of the few guys who could be called a top pairing guy. And Vancouver would absolutely love to get Couturier. They’ve had a huge hole at center on their third line ever since Malhotra hurt his eye. They might look at Hartnell too. He’s certainly the kind of tough, gritty player they need. Although I think they really want a right handed shooter so Simmonds might be a more likely target (although I don’t know if there is any interest in moving him out of Philly). In any case, I don’t see any deal getting done just for a winger. Couturier would have to be included to get Edler. But maybe Edler plus something else for Couturier and Hartnel/Simmonds? There’s also a chance this could all work into a Luongo deal if Philly buys out Bryz. You know how Holmgren likes to make blockbusters.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Jun 9, 2013 at 8:05 PM

        I’d love to acquire Edler. 27 yrs old, 6’3″, solid two-way defender with excellent offensive skills… sounds like a perfect fit in Philly. Plus he’s under contract for 6 yrs at a very reasonable price (5mil per). The only thing is that Holmgren wouldn’t give up Couturier and/Schenn for Weber, Yandle, Boyle, etc, so idk what he’d do for Edler. If it was Couturier for Edler, straight up, I’d probably do it. But that’s probably not realistic. It’s hard to gauge how Gillis would value him as he totally overvalued Luongo, but I’m an Edler fan. It’ll be interesting to see how it all unfolds.

  2. prosportswashington - Jun 9, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    It will be a busy off-season for Philly…just like every off-season in Philly!

    • isithockeyseasonyet - Jun 9, 2013 at 11:48 PM

      Go back to pretending you’re a nats fan like you and the rest of DC did with the capitals so the phillies can go back to having 2 home stadiums

  3. kingsforever - Jun 9, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    Bernier?

    • isithockeyseasonyet - Jun 9, 2013 at 11:50 PM

      I don’t think they make a play for a goaltender unless the perfect situation arises, I think it’s worth it for them to see what they have in mason and try to improve the defense in front of him & reassess the goaltending situation around the trade deadline

  4. joeyb3878 - Jun 9, 2013 at 11:27 AM

    Pitpenguinensrulez……..or not

    • jcmeyer10 - Jun 9, 2013 at 11:57 AM

      According to Capgeek they are but the Bryzzybear buy out changes things.

  5. einjzmolf - Jun 9, 2013 at 12:17 PM

    I’ll trade you Alex Goligoski and Philip Larsen for a sack of potatoes

  6. odj810 - Jun 9, 2013 at 1:06 PM

    interesting. I see the bruins being good trade partners. lots of top 4 nhl d men.

    • biasedhomer - Jun 9, 2013 at 1:13 PM

      But they don’t want a top 4 d man, they want a 1st pairing player.

      They have plenty of top 4 already, Kimmo, Schenn, Coburn, Grossman, and Mezaros, not to mention Gustafson who may see a rise in minutes next season.

  7. orangandblack - Jun 9, 2013 at 1:25 PM

    I’m instantly against any trade that involves Schenn. I love coots, but for the right price it wouldn’t upset me as much to see him go

    • DonkeyStick - Jun 9, 2013 at 2:07 PM

      Please explain what you see in Schenn, becasue watching him for 2 seasons is enough for me.

      • orangandblack - Jun 9, 2013 at 3:07 PM

        He’s 21 years old…you’ve seen enough????? Not to mention he had a pretty significant head injury for a good part of the 11-12 season. Maybe your expectations we’re a little high. It’s just my opinion, it ceratinly doesn’t mean anything, but I see more upside. He’s more skilled, plays a more physical game, plays hard every shift. As I said, I really like coots a lot. But there seemed to be very long stretches where he completely disappeared. If it was up to me, I’d love for them both to be there next year, but if one has to go….

      • DonkeyStick - Jun 9, 2013 at 3:49 PM

        Both are 3rd line players at best and I wouldn’t care if they got rid of both of them for a solid D-man. He plays hard every shift, but so does 95% of NHL players. Flyers have enough physical players running around trying to hit everything, they need defense in my opinion.

      • coopjr - Jun 10, 2013 at 11:22 AM

        I get the feeling you held similar opinions of Justin Williams, Patrick Sharpe, Vinny Prospal, Rusty Fed., etc…

        The Flyers brass MUST show some patience and NOT listen to the knee-jerk reactions of an often cynical, and bitter minority of fans in Philadelphia.

        Besides, the Flyers have a team full of “solid” D-men. They need an impact player on the blue line and if they trade youth to get it, he had better make a big impact.

    • laxman1944 - Jun 9, 2013 at 3:44 PM

      Your off your rocker………..Coots is a future stud

      Trading him would be so beyond stupid I can’t even get my arms around it

  8. crusty14 - Jun 9, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    I could be wrong, but, I’m pretty sure being on the LTIR only makes it so the team doesn’t pay him , insurance does. The team still gets the cap hit

    • DonkeyStick - Jun 9, 2013 at 2:26 PM

      You could have stopped after your first 4 words.

      • isithockeyseasonyet - Jun 9, 2013 at 11:44 PM

        Haha he/she could have stopped after typing that username

  9. dkphilly1122 - Jun 9, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    Doesn’t count toward the cap if a player is on the LTIR. He still gets paid but doesn’t go against the Cap, which is why Pronger hasn’t oficially retired cause than it would count against the Cap until his contract expires. Player over 35 contracts count against the Cap even if they retire but if they go on the LTIR until the contract is up it doesn’t count.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Jun 9, 2013 at 2:07 PM

      Plus, Pronger can’t retire anyway bc he’d have to be cleared by a doctor to come off LTIR. And that will never happen. So he has to keep telling us there’s a chance at a comeback when it’s never gonna happen. He’s stuck on LTIR til his contract expires.

  10. pmonte3122 - Jun 9, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    It doesn’t matter what or who you like, it’s about who they are willing to deal away.

  11. soj83 - Jun 9, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    There is a lot of confusion about the LTIR, I still had some questions myself. I found this website (especially the last couple of examples) very helpful. It pretty much says the Flyers still need to be under the cap at the end of the season even if Pronger or someone else is on LTIR. Here is the link:

    http://www.fearthefin.com/2010/9/18/1697231/hockey-101-long-term-injury

    With this info and quite a few teams near the Cap ceiling and a bunch near the floor (with some top picks) the offseason, especially around the draft, could become very exciting and we could see more blockbuster trades than normal.

  12. crazemastercraze - Jun 9, 2013 at 2:21 PM

    It’s going to be fun to watch them totally suck next year. Can’t wait!

    • isithockeyseasonyet - Jun 9, 2013 at 11:43 PM

      You aren’t a very good troll

  13. kaptaanamerica - Jun 9, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    flyers won’t suck. if the flyers are looking for a trade partner. Edler might be available as a legit all star dman who can play top pair minutes, and we know the Canucks need centerman. either brayden schenn or couterier would be a good fit in the 3rd line position. flyers probably have to give up one other player to get edler. probably a dman. maybe the canucks get both Schenns for Edler and something.

    • coopjr - Jun 10, 2013 at 11:27 AM

      They can keep Elder then. That would be one of the worst trades possible. Especially since the Flyers can draft a blue chip D this year. You get B. Schenn and a late pick or a mid-level D prospect. That is all (and I don’t like that either).

  14. broadstreetbeatdown - Jun 9, 2013 at 3:20 PM

    I said it before it happened and I’ll say it again. Weber has been and is the target once again. When the offer sheet was signed Schenn and Coots were the two guys that Poile was willing to part with Weber for. Now both did not have a great season, especially Cooter but these guys are superstars in the making. Weber’s contract coupled with the Preds scoring woes this season could make for interesting moves. As far as goalies go, if Bryz is bought out I see Homer making a move for Bernier or Miller. Knowing the Flyers luck Bryz will get bought out and go somewhere else and start playing lights out hockey again. Sheesh.

    • 19to77 - Jun 9, 2013 at 4:31 PM

      That would leave Nashville a defensive unit of Klein, Gill, Blum, Josi, Ellis and Bartley – three of which are RFAs this year. Ekholm’s the only bright point in their prospect pipeline, and there’s no-one in free agency or the Flyers’ D corps that could even half-fill the hole trading Weber would leave.

      So, basically, he’s not going anywhere.

      • broadstreetbeatdown - Jun 9, 2013 at 6:44 PM

        Poile was willing to part with Weber for the right package of players and picks last year after Suter left and the Preds had almost the same D lineup. What makes you so sure that he won’t let him go? Now I’m not saying he’s going to get traded, especially to the Flyers but he is definitely not untouchable.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Jun 9, 2013 at 7:48 PM

      I agree with a lot of what you said, however, I don’t think there’s any more than a 5% chance (and that’s prob high) the Flyers go after Ryan Miller. Think about it… (hypothetically) they buy out 33-yr old Bryzgalov and his 5.67mil cap hit because A) his subpar play, B) his terrible attitude, and C) because they’re desperate for cap space. Then, they have to trade substantial assets (probably BSchenn, Couturier, or Read+ picks) to acquire a 33-yr old netminder, in Miller, who’s coming off a bad year, with a bad attitude, and an even more expensive cap hit (6.25). It makes zero sense. Not to mention they’re still going to be paying Bryz forever. I think it’s much more realistic that they amnesty Bryz then sign someone like Khudobin or maybe even Backstrom (short deal, if price is right) to compete with Mason for the job. Or maybe they hand the job to Mason, as this is an organization prone to taking chances in net. Just look at the likes Cechmanek, Esche, Niittymaki, Emery, Bob, etc. I’d LOVE to get Bernier but he won’t come cheap. But I just don’t think there’s any chance Ryan Miller is in Philly next year. It makes no sense.

  15. icelovinbrotha215 - Jun 9, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    The biggest problem with the Flyers it that Mr. Snider isn’t patient. I appreciate his passion and the ESY foundation he has established in the Philly area but retooling doesn’t work when the team is flawed. It doesn’t help that he is 80 years old. He feels the pressure of being on the back 9 of life.

  16. laxman1944 - Jun 9, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    PATIENCE…………..PATIENCE……….I BEG FOR PATIENCE

    • DonkeyStick - Jun 9, 2013 at 4:50 PM

      Patience = 1975

      • laxman1944 - Jun 9, 2013 at 8:23 PM

        Justin Williams…….

      • DonkeyStick - Jun 9, 2013 at 9:17 PM

        Chris Gratton…..

      • coopjr - Jun 10, 2013 at 11:33 AM

        Gratton was a free agent signing and helps prove that building a team through the draft and being patient, as apposed to buying a team, is the way to go most of the time.

      • DonkeyStick - Jun 10, 2013 at 12:25 PM

        You sit around and contine to drink the cool aid preaching patience seeing nothing wrong with muck and grinders, fighters, physical play, no goaltending while I say Philadelphia fans have been patient enough.

  17. therealtrenches - Jun 10, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    Hey DonkeyStick, there are two kinds of patience in play here. Yes, Flyers fans have been “patient enough” in the big picture, waiting since 1975 for another cup. HOWEVER, the team hasn’t won anything in part because the FO has been so damned IMpatient, consistently reaching for the “missing piece” at the trade deadline rather than *being patient* with the youth they have on the team, and trying to grow them into a cohesive unit.

    For once, the FO showed some faith in the youngsters and pretty much were sellers or stood pat this spring.

    You may not like it, but at least it’s a change in philosophy from the one that wasn’t working.

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