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Would the Penguins really consider trading Malkin?

Jun 6, 2013, 1:48 PM EDT

We only ask, because this is what TSN’s Darren Dreger tweeted last night:

Malkin, 26, has one year remaining on his contract before he can become an unrestricted free agent. According to CapGeek, he has a no-movement clause for the 2013-14 season.

The reasons for not trading Malkin aren’t hard to list:

—- He’s one of the best players in the world.

—- Centers are hard enough to come by in the NHL, let alone world-class centers.

—- He’s still young. Which is to say, this isn’t like the Joe Thornton debate in San Jose, where you’re talking about a guy on the wrong side of 30.

That being said, it all depends what the Penguins could get in return, and also what they could acquire with the cap space they’d gain. Because in case you haven’t been watching, there are big question marks about the quality of Pittsburgh’s defense and goaltending.

Speaking of which, what’s Kris Letang‘s future with the Pens? Like Malkin, he can become an unrestricted free agent after next season. While Letang’s point production has been impressive in the playoffs, his defensive play has been suspect, particularly against the Bruins.

Struggling goalie Marc-Andre Fleury is another face of the franchise the Penguins will have to make a decision on. He’s got two years left on his contract before he’s free to go wherever.

For general manager Ray Shero, this summer promises to be one full of tough calls. Pending UFAs include Jarome Iginla, Brenden Morrow, Matt Cooke, Pascal Dupuis, Craig Adams, Mark Eaton and Douglas Murray. Those eligible to sign extensions include Malkin, Letang, Chris Kunitz, Brooks Orpik, and Matt Niskanen.

The Penguins aren’t done yet. They could still make it a series with a win tomorrow in Boston. But down 3-0, their chances of coming all the way back are slim.

139 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. hockeyflow33 - Jun 6, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    So your team’s problem is defense and defensive system play and people think the problem is one of the top 3 players in the world?

    • mpk1516 - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:11 PM

      He’s awful defensively, so yes he is part of that problem. The bigger problem is that the cap is shrinking and, with the new Corey Perry deal, Malkin’s value went through the roof.

      If Perry is worth $8.625 million per year, what is Malkin worth to some teams. $9.5? $10? It becomes nearly impossible to improve that awful defense, resign Letang with the huge raise that he is due, and still field a team without gaping holes.

      • micklethepickle - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:19 PM

        Honest question – why should they re-sign Letang? He’s shown he’s an offensive-first D-man on a team that desperately needs a defense-first D-man. Kind of like Mike Green on the Caps. When you have a high-powered offense, do you really need to waste lots and lots of cap space on offensive defense?

      • season20122013 - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM

        @ Mickle – because defensive D-men are easier (not easy, easier) to find. Letang is not bad defensively, he just needs remided that it’s his job. He played well last night – the defensive mistakes in this series aren’t all that usual for him. He’s not a defensive liability.

        Letang is able to move the puck very well – which is why he eats so many minutes for the Pens. Their system depends on moving the puck quickly up ice. It’s also why they keep drafting guys that can do it.

      • grilledjesus - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:46 PM

        Letang had looked bad for 2+ games, but after the 1st goal he really upped his game. Heck he almost single handedly stopped a few PPs, forcing the Bruins to have to try entry on the left side. If that is how he normally plays, well, a defenseman like that is worth every penny.

      • miketoasty - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:47 PM

        mpk1516 – You do realize that Malkin is constantly around the top in the league in takeaways? I’m not saying he is even close to Datsyuk or Bergeron type of play defensively but he come’s back and makes some great plays. Heck I’m not even trying to say he’s all that good at defensive play but he is no where near awful.

      • imleftcoast - Jun 6, 2013 at 6:35 PM

        Jagr should have gotten a hooking penalty on the 2OT goal. You can’t blame Malkin for that play, and Crosby’s been way worse. Even talking about trading him would indicate there’s a management problem in Pittsburg, but this is Darren Dreger and he just makes s@it up to pretend he knows something.

    • mpk1516 - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:59 PM

      Toasty – Takeaways are not a true defensive metric. Takeaways in the neutral or even offensive zone are counted the same as in the defensive end.

      Malkin’s complete lack of back checking and/or commitment to defensive play have been direct culprits of goals in this series. You don’t even have to take my word for it, watch the NHLNetwork analysis of Game 2. On top of that, he is usually worse than that during the regular season.

      Malkin is the most talented offensive player in this series, but he may also be the worst defensive forward of any forward in this series.

    • jjregan21 - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:41 PM

      If they ever made an award that was the exact opposite of a Selke, it would be called the Malkin. He is a major liability on defense.

      • hockeyflow33 - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:23 PM

        His job is to score, not play defense.

      • jjregan21 - Jun 6, 2013 at 6:47 PM

        I don’t know what kind of hockey you play. It’s a two way sport and your team isn’t always on offense. If he’s going to be regarded as world class, he should be well rounded

  2. cavafox - Jun 6, 2013 at 1:56 PM

    No, he will not be traded. It’s a statement just meant to stir up controversy.

    • mpk1516 - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:03 PM

      Just like Jordan Staal wouldn’t be traded last year?

      The reality is that the Penguins are awful defensively, the cap is shrinking, and both Malkin and Letang are potentially due huge raises at the same time (not to mention raises for Sutter and Niskanen). If the Penguins want to fix their gaping defensive holes, they are going to have to make tough choices. That certainly includes considering trading Malkin or Letang.

      • seabass231 - Jun 9, 2013 at 11:53 PM

        Niskanen and Sutter deserve raises as much as Fleury.

    • nhloon - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:32 PM

      Are you kidding ! ? Geno would be better being the captain of his own team, enough pre-maddona’s on this Pens pee wee roster,

      • dudermcrbohan - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:43 PM

        Prima Donna*

    • lostpuppysyndrome - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:34 PM

      Exactly. Who are the “some” he’s referring to? Name some names. Anyone can make BS statements like that. Where’s the accountability?

    • atwatercrushesokoye - Jun 6, 2013 at 5:18 PM

      If they had any balls whatsoever they would trade Crosby or at least investigate trading him. 3 reasons for that: 1. Crosby’s cap hit is massive. 2. Crosby is an injury waiting to happen. 3. The return they would get for Crosby would be so great (in regards to players, prospects/picks and cap savings coming back) they would be able build a team that could win 2 or 3 cups in the next decade. It would be like the Lindros trade but with probably more coming back.

      Remember the greatest player of all time was traded and the Oilers won another cup, Gretzky never did.

      Malkin is going into his contract year because of that the return would be nowhere near what they would get for Crosby. If they resign Malkin this team will just run out of cap room and little by little each year they’ll drop until they finally give up and rebuild. It sounds stupid but keeping both superstars likely limits their ability to win another cup going forward.

  3. bobhpine - Jun 6, 2013 at 1:56 PM

    I’d never say never but the return would have to be absolutely mammoth. Despite his lack of production, Malkin still appears to be the best player on the ice in this series and he is the reigning league MVP. Trade that at your own peril.

    • onlysane1intheroom - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:14 PM

      You mean the best player on the ice not wearing a Bruins jersey.

    • nightfireop - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:57 PM

      something tells me if pens look to kings for a trade, they may ask for our bernier and brown and a draft pick. i really hope we don’t give up our brown, we can work something out where they can get bernier…i think bernier can be a strong benefit for pens.

  4. 13datsyuk13 - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:07 PM

    The team is in the conference finals. I realize they went all in at the trade deadline but they aren’t that far off from that. Sometimes you run into a better team in the playoffs and expectations don’t get met but that’s no reason for major changes.

    • stakex - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:37 PM

      But there really are reasons for major changes in the Pens lineup. They will never win a cup with their current defense and goaltending. Before you say “They are in the ECF! Obviously they can go deeper!”…. thats not really the case. The Pens will have a very hard time ever beating top teams with their “All offense no defense” approach. Thats just not how the Cup is won anymore. A well balanced team with a top flight goaltender is the path to the Cup in the modern NHL… and the Pens have neither.

      Now its not that Malkin is himself a problem. The amount of cap space the Pens need to spend to keep him is. Even if he doesn’t get a raise, he will still have a cap hit of $8.7 million. Thats a LOT for a second line center. Also consider that the Pens have very little cap space to play with this offseason… only about $7 million, and they have players to re-sign. Tradeing Malkin would open up a ton of options and allow them to build a stronger back end.

      • chanceoffleury1 - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:20 PM

        The Pens aren’t in horrible shape cap-wise. Assuming they can swing a trade that lands them a decent goaltender they can buy out/trade Fleury which frees up $5 million in cap space. They are in better position financially than a lot of the high profile teams. Including the Hawks, Bruins, Caps, Canucks, and Flyers. They’re pretty middle of the pack in terms of financial woes considering the guys they already have at least locked up for next year. They have an entire year still to move guys around to makes sure they can resign Letang and Malkin. As much as I’d like them to get it out of the way it doesn’t NEED to happen this summer. It’s not like they’re going to free agency on July 5th.

  5. pepper2011 - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    To Buffalo for Miller and Grikenko/picks.

    • ibieiniid - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:12 PM

      excuse me?

      • pepper2011 - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:17 PM

        posted this yesterday:
        Look- I am not saying give him away. Personally I would trade Sid over him for injury worries alone, but they can’t really do that. I just think financially they will be screwed. looking at 2014-15 season if resign Malkin and Letang:
        8.7 Sid
        8.7 Malkin
        6.5 Letang (same as Karlsson for arguments sake)
        5.0 Neal
        5.0 Martin
        That’s 33.9M of 64.3M – 53% on five players.
        that’s a 1.78m average for the remaining 16 players (22 man roster). No Goalies, assuming a Fleury is a Buyout.
        That is one line accounting for 53% of your cap hit. somethings gotta give. as a point of reference Tanner Glass made 1.1m this year. so you could sign or resign Dupuis or Kunitz types for you second line (I know they would be more balanced) then your 3rd adn 4th lines would be filled with the likes of Tanner Glass and you STILL don’t have a goalie

      • jpelle82 - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:22 PM

        no one (except maybe ol mike milbury) would give up a top 3 player in the world for flippin ryan miller, i dont care if you throw in 1st round picks for the next 5 years.

      • ibieiniid - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:27 PM

        53% on 5 players isn’t really abnormal for this league (that’s more my opinion, as I don’t have the figures to back that up). i said it earlier today actually: even with all these players coming up on FA, I think the Pens have the scouting and coaching to be able to build the rest of a team around that very solid core with half their cap left.

      • jpelle82 - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:30 PM

        you also realize that the penguins payroll situation is hardly unique right? chicago, vancouver, washington, nyr, minnesota, are all over 30 million in their top 5or 6 players. minnesota is over 35 with their top 5.

      • ibieiniid - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:34 PM

        just when I didn’t have the figures, jpelle holds me down. good looks

      • pepper2011 - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM

        Other than Chicago who had to blow up their team; how many CUPS do those teams have. that’s my point.

        Kane and Toews are 6.3 a piece not 8.7

        That’s an extra Patrick sharp!

        I also think you have Paul Martin in your top 5 is different than Keith (Toews, Kane, Sharp, Hossa and Keith are stronger… that’s just me.
        Chicago also got VERY lucky (as in great signings/trades/drafts) with the likes of:
        Stalberg: 875K
        Shaw 577K
        Saad 895K
        Kruger 900K

        It’s not easy to carry four players that contribute that make under a million. They also have a goalie who makes 2.7m – which is pretty low.

      • mpk1516 - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM

        jpelle, are you just making this stuff up as you go?

        The Blackhawks are under $30 million even for their Top 6, let alone Top 5. The Wild are only at roughly $32.5 million for their Top 5 and look at how many gaping holes that team still has due to that structure. The Canucks are at $31.4 for Top 6, which is still $2+ million less than the Pens Top 5.

        You do realize that having an extra $2-7 million of cap space (not to mention an additional Top 4 DMan or Top 9 F in the case of some of those team) means that a team can add a VERY good player, or even two, to fill large holes on the roster, right?

      • pepper2011 - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:45 PM

        He’s kind of wrong though. The only real comparison would be Anaheim, and their depth was exposed in the playoffs – hence the constant Bobby Ryan rumors.

      • pepper2011 - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:50 PM



        Pens fans seem to be taking this a personal attack on Malkin. If anything it’s a compliment. He is as good as Sid and will get paid accordingly. It is hard to carry two guy who’s salaries are that high.

      • ibieiniid - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:57 PM

        i’d like to clarify, so i’m not lumped in with some lumps…. I’m a Flyers fan.

      • jpelle82 - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:08 PM

        not making it up – 33 million in 2012-2013 in their top 5 – the actual cap number is 29.8 mill though…for this season – going up in 2014

        Player 2012-13 Salary 2013-14 Salary
        Patrick Kane $6,000,000 $6,500,000
        Jonathan Toews $6,000,000 $6,500,000
        Patrick Sharp $6,000,000 $6,500,000
        Brent Seabrook $7,000,000 $5,000,000
        Duncan Keith $8,000,000 $7,660,000

      • jpelle82 - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:12 PM

        and here’s minnesota’s

        Zach Parise $7,538,000
        Ryan Suter $7,538,000
        Dany Heatley $7,500,000
        Mikko Koivu $6,750,000
        Niklas Backstrom $6,000,000

        35.3 roughly

      • lbeezyse - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:18 PM

        You’re partially right about Minnesota

        Parise – 7.5
        Koivu – 6.5
        Heatley – 7.5 Likely/hopefully a buyout
        Suter – 7.5
        Pommer – 4.5 Likely a lower contract # after next year

        Total of 33.5 million in the top 5 players Heatley greatly skews this #

        With the Wild having Bouchard, Backstrom, Cullen, a Gilbert buyout(crossing my fingers) the Wild have a pretty favorable cap situation on the horizon. They are incorporating younger players to play with the high priced vets. They need to sign a starting goalie, resign Spurgeon, & bring back Cullen. They have 8+million to work with even with the decrease in the cap.

        I dislike the Pens (mostly because of Crosby), but would jump at the chance to add a world class player like Malkin to our roster. We won’t be getting him, but we will see about Vanek in a years time.

      • pepper2011 - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:21 PM

        Yeah- Minnesota stinks and I would rather chicago’s top 5 over Pitts. Seabrook and Sharpe are better than Neal and Martin.

        Also- Chicago has 4+ guys who were major contributors that made under a million. That is not easy, not for teams in their position. The Bruins have none. Pitt had none

        Tyler kennedy’s 6G and 5A made 2m this year.
        Tanner Glass 1.1M
        Joe vitale? do you want two line of Joe Vitale?

      • 19to77 - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:30 PM

        jpelle, you’re confusing salary and cap hit. Their cap hits are all lower than those numbers. In Keith’s case especially – he’s making north of $7.5m in salary, but his cap hit’s only $5.5m or so because he’s signed until the world ends. Sharp’s also well under $6m in cap terms, due to length of contract.

        The Pens, meanwhile, are looking at $8.7m cap hits for their top two centres, $5.5m or so for Neal, $5m for Martin and whatever Letang will make – north of six for sure. Like pepper said, the $1.5m-ish difference per player adds up to an extra Patrick Sharp or so. Spending less at the top allows you to spend more at the bottom, and it really does matter. Chicago went from winning a Cup to barely making the playoffs a year later because they had to sacrifice their depth to the salary cap. Now they’re a favourite again because of cheap rookie contracts like those of Shaw, Saad and Kruger replacing the Ladds and Versteegs of the last team.

      • 19to77 - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:32 PM

        Doh. You mentioned the cap difference. Nevermind. Herp derp.

      • pepper2011 - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:37 PM

        @jpelle – you are also talking about 33.9 vs 29.8 (chicago) that’s 4.1 for a 6th player. Even if you think the Chicago vs. Pitt is even or slightly in Pitt’s favor due to Sid and Malkin.

        Guy who made in and around 4m:
        L Schenn
        Moulson 3.1m

        4 milliion can get you a good player

      • jpelle82 - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:43 PM

        look, i get it, its not the ideal situation cap but iginla, morrow, murray, eaton arent coming back – adams is affordable and dupuis is gonna take a discount to stay with crosby – lets face it, he also knows he wont do what he’s doing without crosby. its not that dire and compared to other teams having 1 and 2 making 8-9 million is doable – theyve been doing it so far. martin had an excellent year compared to last – hard to want to buy him out now. i am actually hoping they trade letang more and more every day i know the thumbs downs are coming from pens fans), just not sure when the pouliot, harrington, maata guys are gonna be ready to fill the gap. despres and bortuzzo should be ready to go though and while they’re no letang – they can play better d than he has been lately.

      • ibieiniid - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:48 PM

        that brings up a very overlooked point. a LOT of players would take substantially less play to be on a team with Crosby and Malkin. sure they want dough, but they also want to win. I think when you have arguably the two best players in the league, it makes it way more cost-efficient to build a team around them. maybe 53% on 5 players is less normal than I thought…. but I still think letting Malkin go is a mistake.

      • jpelle82 - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:51 PM

        cont’d: the pens have drafted with this kind of expectation. theyve planned for 71 and 87’s contract amts. if theyve chosen to cycle d men out when they get too expensive (letang) to pay the top forwards and go with cheaper young guys then thats the bed they have made and they are gonna have to lie in it now. theyve made good picks and 5,6,7 years from now, guys like pouliot, maatta, harrington, doumolin might be wanting 3-5 million and they will probably be gone then too if crosby and malkin are still sucking up that kind of money. its a strategy that they’ve committed to. not sure if paying a bunch of rag-tag bottom 6 guys 1-2 million or going with cheaper young defensemen is gonna work but thats what it looks like they’re stuck with until crosby’s contract is up at least.

      • ibieiniid - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:00 PM

        “stuck with?” at least half the teams in the league would trade for Crosby at that price. they aren’t STUCK with it if they don’t want to be. next thread: would the penguins really consider trading Crosby?


      • mpk1516 - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:25 PM

        jpelle – Your numbers are off because you are using last season’s numbers to discuss next season’s issues. For example, Backstrom is not making $6 million next season.

        You need to understand that the cap is dropping by roughly $6 million next year so this year’s team salary structure has no bearing on how to manage next year’s cap.

        Everyone else’s analysis takes into account the present/future numbers, not the past.

      • mpk1516 - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:31 PM

        Also, the use of actual $ is a misleading and disingenuous way to make your point.

        If you are using actual $, isn’t Crosby making $12 million in 2013-14, not $8.7? If so ,your analysis is WAY off. You can’t cherry pick apples and then compare them to oranges to make a legitimate point. Focus on cap $ for 2013-14. That’s all that matters.

  6. ibieiniid - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    it sure is interesting to think of who trading Malkin would fetch.

  7. lonespeed - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    It’s obvious Pittsburgh has a direct line to Jim Rutherford in Carolina based on all the transactions this year. Why stop now. How about Malkin for Joe Corvo straight up?

    • hrudey - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:23 PM

      If we’re talking about defensemen who used to be with the Kings and Whalercanes, why not swing for the fences with Jack Johnson? He’s already the sort of defenseman that fits right in with the “oops, where’s my zone?” efensive [sic] mentality in Pittsburgh.

      The real question this offseason is if they can pull off a deal involving Fleury and a fourth round pick, or if they’ll have to give up a third instead for someone to take him.

    • nhloon - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:33 PM

      Horrible deal, Corvo is an aging bum.

      • ibieiniid - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:37 PM

        lol are you sure? you sure Evgeni Malkin for Joe Corvo straight up is a “horrible deal?”

        I bet Corvo’s mother would beg to differ.

      • lonespeed - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:38 PM

        It was sarcastic.

  8. bhunter47 - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    There was an article recently that I read that suggested a possible trade as such:

    Malkin to Los Angeles for Bernier, Kopitar, and a pick.

    As a Penguins fan, I think this would be beneficial because it would still give us back a legitimate center and a young goaltender to build around, while giving Los Angeles a premier scorer that could help their offensive output. This would allow the Pens to get rid of Fleury somehow.

    It would probably never happen, but if you are Shero, I think it would be worth making the inquiry.

    • pepper2011 - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:26 PM

      Too much for LA to give up; when they could wait and try to offer more than Pitt. They Keep Kopitar, and their pick and get a young pick or prospects for Bernier. LA won a Cup last year and is close to getting there again. Why make this deal?

      • bhunter47 - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:43 PM

        I agree it would be way more beneficial to the Penguins. The Kings are going to get rid of Bernier, and they more than likely can make a way better deal. I just saw someone suggest it and thought it would be an interesting option, however implausible it might be.

      • pepper2011 - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:55 PM

        I could see a Kessel/Phaneuf type of deal going down too. There would need to be some tweaking…maybe niskanen on Pitts side and picks/prospects not names Kadri from Toronto.

      • bhunter47 - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:06 PM

        Do you think the Penguins would rather trade Malkin to a team in the Western Conference? I know some teams would rather do that since they wouldn’t potentially have to face them in the playoffs before the finals. Not that it stopped them from dealing Staal to Carolina…I guess it would depend more on the deal offered, but you’d figure that if they had a similar deal from Los Angeles and Toronto, they would probably want to ship him out of conference.

      • pepper2011 - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:13 PM

        I Agree with that, but if you are trading a player of Malkin’s ability you’d have to consider Philly if they had the best deal on the table.

        Shero has made some great trades and I would suspect if he does trade Malkin; he will get quite a return.

        They would probably be better off signing and trading, the longer this goes on the more likely you have Parise type situation – where you get nothing in return.

      • biasedhomer - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:55 PM

        Swap Kopitar for Brown and it becomes more even,

      • jpelle82 - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:03 PM

        they’re gonna re-sign him, and i wouldnt be surprised if its before this next season starts. after a down year, short season where he missed 17 of 48 games shero has a bit of an advantage. i agree they dont want to wait til next year some time especially if he goes on an mvp type tear to start 2013-2014. its up to malkin, he might want just a 4-6 year type deal which is easier to trade two or three years later – especially if they load it on the back and let the next couple seasons play out. i still dont think they can even do that and keep letang too (at least not continue to be competitive in doing so).

      • pepper2011 - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:06 PM

        @biasedhomer – Agreed.

    • hrudey - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:27 PM

      The Kings have way too many cap concerns of their own to swing that deal, nor would they be likely to even consider giving up Kopitar.

      • bhunter47 - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:44 PM

        I honestly had not looked at the cap situation for the Kings. Checking that out now makes it seem even more unlikely/impossible. But I saw the idea out there and thought it was worth at least discussing.

      • devilsarethebest - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:45 PM

        Um, I think they’d even consider giving up Quick for Malkin. They need him more, considering Bernier is a capable goalie. So Quick, and a first and second? And Muzzin/Voynov/Toffoli?

      • devilsarethebest - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:47 PM

        Oh, and Flower.

    • atwatercrushesokoye - Jun 6, 2013 at 6:54 PM

      Kings coach Darryl Sutter is known for his defensive style and demanding all of his players play strong defensive fundamentals even if it means sacrificing offense. Do you really think acquiring a skilled offensive player who struggles (and that’s being charitable) playing defense? Unless the Kings fire Sutter (unlikely to say the least) there’s no way they make that trade.

  9. 19to77 - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    Letang’s much more tradeable in my mind. He’s as much of a defensive liability as Malkin – which is kind of a large problem when you’re a defenseman.

    That said, he’ll command a big return from anyone looking to upgrade their power play, and I could see a move sending back some bigger, more physical shutdown-style D. They’ve got huge offensive upside from their top-six of All-Star forwards. Do they really need a one-way forward on defense?

    • jpelle82 - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:00 PM

      you guys keep saying malkin is a liability on defense – ovechkin is a liability on defense – malkin had 23 takeaways in 31 games this season and he backchecks like a demon. thats more takeaways than campbell, krejci, kelly, peverly, seguin, lucic, thornton and in less games played. you guys dont watch the penguins games enough to make such ridiculous claims

      • 19to77 - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:42 PM

        Takeaways aren’t the only measure of defensive quality, particularly when you don’t bother to check which zone they occur in. Malkin strips the puck a lot in the offensive zone or near the opposing blue line. He has sweet hands and stealing the puck and turning it into an unexpected break-in is part of why he’s so dangerous on the attack. But how many of those takeaways are robbing an opposing player of the puck in the Penguins’ zone? How many are actually defensive plays?

  10. chanceoffleury1 - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:27 PM

    They only way I see it is if somebody offers to wildley overpay for him and the deal hits right where the Pens need players. I mean if the Blues want to give up Halak, Tarasenko, Backes, and two first round picks or the Kings want to give up Bernier, Kopitar, Muzzin and two first round picks then hell why not? In both those deals it gives the Pens the opportunity to buyout Fleury, get a new quality player for Malkin’s now empty center spot, gives them an impressive prospect, and gives them future drafting options. I don’t see the Pens even exercising the option for anything less than a few proven quality players though. I mean, I don’t think the Pens would exercise the option anyway, but it would have to be a deal the Pens just couldn’t resist for them to even think about it. Especially because Neal is average at best without Malkin and he’s signed for 5(?) more years I think. It could really be a historic summer because perhaps they’d trade both of them if by some chance in hell they did trade Malkin?

    • ibieiniid - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:31 PM

      Halak, Tara, Backes: not enough
      Bernier, Kopitar, Muzzin, two picks: too much….. way too much.

  11. pdmjr - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:31 PM

    Malkin aint goin nowhere. There is no team out there that has players to make the trade worthwhile.

    If Crosby goes down again they sure aren’t depending on Jossie Jokinen to play as #1 center.

    • pepper2011 - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:03 PM

      I think you have a case of over valuing your players and under valuing other teams players. Malkin is great, no doubt but so are some of the names floated around. I think if Pitt had Ryan Miller and Grikenko, plus this years top 10 pick or Ennis, they would be a better team. They would no longer have the best two players in the league, but they would have a goalie and an up and coming stud in Grikenko. Will he put up 100+ points, probably not, but he’ll be putting up 30/30 for a decade.

    • biasedhomer - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:01 PM

      While there maybe no other player worthwhile in your opinion, Malkin will get a hefty raise. Pens fans are only fooling themselves when they think Malkin will be content with the same deal as Crosby. Look at the deals Getzlaf and Perry signed, Malkin should be able to net an Ovechkin like contract on the open market to a team where he would be the face of the franchise.

      Crosby can take hometown discounts, because when people think of the Pens, they see their #1 star is Crosby, and also Crosby get much more endorsement deals since he is supposedly the face of the league.

  12. rhodepop - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:35 PM

    The Pens will not be able to re-sign both Malkin and Letang. I agree with a previous poster that Letang may bring a better return. They also cannot afford MAF at $5M; he is not going to get traded 1 up. Would like to see them package any combo of the three. They will NOT get the value you think. Getting them off the books is as almost as valuable as trying to get equal value. A few teams north of the border might have interest. Dallas and Buffalo as well.

  13. DTF31 - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    Without Malkin they are just the Hurricanes with less depth and crappier goaltending.

  14. whiskytango333 - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    I think Letang is the more obvious candidate for a trade. You could get a high first round pick and maybe even a top 6 guy in return, and that extra money will be used to resign Malkin, which you cant let go. Plus you have Depres who could fill the vacancy of a Letang type role. You dont have that guy to replace what Malkin is.

  15. hosewater2 - Jun 6, 2013 at 2:50 PM

    Can’t let an elite talent like Malkin go.

    Resources need to be shifted away from old, slow veterans who are well past their prime (Iginla, Morrow, Douglas Murray) to getting better defencemen and goaltending.

    Team needs a different mindset from their excellent GM. Does not need a new coach or superstar liquidation.

  16. whosennext - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:05 PM

    What a debate. First, you can put Crosby and Malkin’s number together and Crosby’s numbers are better. But, Malkin has won Calder Memorial Trophy (Rookie of the Year) – 2007[23], Hart Memorial Trophy (League MVP) – 2012, Ted Lindsay Award (Most Outstanding Player) – 2012, Art Ross Trophy (Regular Season Scoring Leader) – 2009, 2012, Conn Smythe Trophy (Playoff MVP) – 2009[24], NHL Stanley Cup Champion – 2009[24], NHL 2009 Stanley Cup Playoffs – Point Scoring Leader (36). Crosby has won Maurice “Rocket” Richard Trophy (Goals Leader) 2010, Art Ross Trophy (Leading Scorer) 2007, Hart Memorial Trophy (NHL MVP) 2007. I would not want to be without either on my team. Injury wise, Crosby’s concussions worry me because he is a hit away from possibly having his career ended. Malkin has the knee issues. But any player on any given night could have his career ended by a hit. Letang on the other hand would be the player I choose to trade because they need a defense-man who can actually be a shutdown man not a scorer on a team that does not lack scoring, except in this series against a excellent defensive team like the Bruins. And then you have Fleury, who despite being a good regular season goalie, and 1 Stanley Cup winner, has being a awful playoff goalie. I hate piling on him when his luck is down, but you need a hot goalie and a great defense to win championships. Which is what the Pens lack in the playoffs. Its great being a paper GM. I guess if I am the Pens GM, I keep Malkin and Crosby, and lose Letang and Fleury.

  17. pitpenguinsrulez - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:06 PM

    I don’t have a problem with trading Malkin. Malkin could easily get more then Letang in a deal I think. Sure Malkin is one of the top 3 players in the league but when you only one Stanley Cup under the two star center system then something is wrong. Aside from the 2008 & 2009 teams the Pens have only been a threat in 2010 and 2013 interms of making a long playoff run but only to fall short of the goal due to the teams they have run into. Regular success is great…sells tickets…but championships matter more than regular season success.

    I’m mixed with Letang because he’s a top offensive D but is a defensive liability at the same time. He can’t quarterback a power play to save his life. Martin does a much better job on the PP. You can replace Letang with the prospects such as Matta and Pulliot etc. With Malkin you have no one to replace him in the system. I personally would love to see the top line as 14-87-18 because James Neal was originally planned to be as Sids winger but that never happened.

    Anyone who thinks that Niskanen deserves a raise/more years should be slapped. Niskanen will at best be a 5th defensemen on a great team. On a lousy team such as Florida he’d be a top 4 guy but not with the Pens unless your name is Dan Bylsma. Brooks Orpik tho he’s a lifer with the Pens I say. He’s been here through all of the rough times and it just makes sense to keep him. He’s veteran leadership in that locker room.

    Here’s my list of who stays/goes for the Pens between now and fall:

    Crosby: stays obviously
    Kunitz: stays
    Duper: stays but at a discount
    Cooke: GONE
    Iginla: GONE
    Morrow: GONE
    Sutter: stays
    Adams: stays
    Bennett: stays
    Neal: stays
    Malkin: GONE
    Letang: stays
    Orpik: stays
    Vitale: stays
    Kennedy: GONE
    Martin: stays
    Eaton: stays…maybe?
    Glass: GONE
    Jokinen: stays
    Fleury: GONE
    Vokoun: stays
    Hartzell: stays
    Murray: GONE
    Niskanen: GONE
    Despres: stays
    Engelland: stays
    Bylsma: GONE

    Whatever cap space is freed up you decide on how it gets spent.

    • rhodepop - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:17 PM

      My Stay/Gone list would be similar but Niskanen stays due to reasonable salary next year, Eaton goes, Adams goes, Dupuis is a tough call. Will he take a HT discount? Depends on who else is in the mix. The time to deal Malkin or Letang is now. Packaging MAF might be possible and avoid the buy out

      • pepper2011 - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:47 PM

        Dupius will get paid. 4+ million. Look at Whitney and Doan; even Clarkson.

        realistically this is his first real chance to bank. All the eggs are in Pitts basket this year and it’s not looking too promising right now, why stay with a worse team for half of what another team would offer you?

    • ibieiniid - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:21 PM

      after dupuis’ best 2 years ever, why do you think they could get him discounted? sure he’s 35ish, but he’s hitting his stride right now. he’ll be a 2mil player at least for a couple years.

      • pitpenguinsrulez - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:03 PM

        Duper is hitting his stride I agree but at 35 years old I don’t see him getting 4 million…3 to 3.5 million makes better sense. Duper is a by product of Crosby making players better around him. Sure Crosby only played in 22 games last season but even still Duper put up great numbers without Sid. Look at Kevin Stevens for example. Stevens had great success as a winger with Mario but after Patrick let him go in the summer of 1995, Stevens wasn’t the same player that he was with Pittsburgh…didn’t help that he hit rock bottom with drugs either. I just think that if Dupuis walks then he’ll have a similar fate much like Stevens but I could be wrong.

    • kantoria - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:30 PM

      I agree mostly, but I think either Ignila or Morrow will stay. Not sure of Adams’s status, but I wouldn’t pay to keep him. He hasn’t done anything in 2-3 years but be a 4th liner. They have to have someone in WB to bring up to replace him.

      • chanceoffleury1 - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:41 PM

        I’m not sure why people are so quick to get rid of Adams. He’s a huge reason the Pens PK has gone from duds to studs this postseason. The one constant on the Pens has been their great PK performance. They were the worst PK coming into the playoffs and have been fantastic thus far. That has been a huge overlooked achille’s heal of theirs the 3 years before this. Their PK would go from best to worst as soon as April rolled around. The opposite happened this year. When it comes to the guys pulling up the salary cabose I’d rather keep Adams around than Engelland or Glass, etc.

      • jpelle82 - Jun 7, 2013 at 10:18 AM

        adams is too cheap to let go. he’s too good at what he does to let go for 1-2 million a year

    • theageofquarrel - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:30 PM

      I think Malkin stays and Letang goes due to the defensive depth they have on the farm.

  18. jernster21 - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:10 PM

    I think it would be unlikely but you never know what goes on in the head of certain players. What I do know is that Malkin is a better/different player when Crosby isn’t playing. He takes things over as if it is his team, not Sidney Crosby’s team. When Crosby plays, he’s always “2nd best”.

    At the same time – don’t discount the fact that Pittsburgh is the only place Malkin has ever played…you have to imagine he’s super comfortable playing there and the fact that he knows 5 words of english isn’t a problem because he’s in comfortable surroundings among people he’s spent his NHL career around.

  19. dtownbeatdown - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    He is coming to the wings. We are the only elite team under the salary cap next year. Franzen and fillpula should be gone, I doubt they resign filp. Malkin would be a perfect fit for the wings.

    I’m just messing, a man can wish though.

    Pittsburgh will just drop their rental players.

    • rhodepop - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:20 PM

      Dropping rental players is not enough for the cap. Malkin, Letang and MAF are $16M; the first two with one year left. Throw them all to Toronto for 2 forwards and a goalie or Winnipeg for a forward and a Dman

  20. jacketsfan7 - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:24 PM

    Him to buffalo for miller , grigorenko , foligno and a 3rd round pick
    Letang to San Jose for pavelski and 2nd and 4th round picks
    Fleury to St. Louis for Vladmir sobotka and a 1st and 3rd round pick
    Am I crazy or are my trade ideas good? ( I’m not really sure lol )

    • penguins2946 - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:31 PM

      You’re just crazy. Pens will not trade all 3 of Malkin, Fleury and Letang. MAYBE 1.

    • ibieiniid - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:32 PM

      eh. think defense.

    • 19to77 - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:49 PM

      I like some version of Letang for Pavelski and picks. Boyle’s getting older and Burns isn’t going back to D anytime soon. Some offensive D would look good there, and they’ve got centre depth for days with Thornton, Couture, and Marleau all 60+ point guys who can play centre or wing as needed. Meanwhile Pitt gets a fast, skilled, defensively responsible winger/centre who can fill in for a top six centre injury and is talented enough to play RW to either Malkin or Crosby. It’s a solid deal in theory, but I doubt the Sharks would want to give up Little Joe. He’s a core player for them.

    • pepper2011 - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:53 PM

      why would st. louis want Fleury? they have two goalies who are better

      why would anyone want Fleury? He will be bought out cause he is not very good. Save% and GAA are average at best. He wins cause Pitt can score.

  21. kantoria - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:26 PM

    Remember the “value” that the Penguins received when they traded Jagr to the Washington Capitals. Jagr wasn’t as young Malkin is now, but was still a dominate player at the time of the trade.

  22. penguins2946 - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:29 PM

    Malkin for Eberle, RNH and the 7th pick

    Reasoning- It gives the Oilers a top-tier center, which would make their wingers (Hall and Yak, I’m assuming) better. It also makes the Oilers a more attractive destination for free agents, because whenever Malkin is on a team, it’s good. Pens get a young replacement 2C, a young 30+ goal scorer and a top-10 draft pick. Seems fair on both sides.

    Malkin for Kane, Bogosian, Burmistrov and a 1st

    Reasoning- As with the Oilers, this gives the Jets a top-tier center, which would make their wingers (Ladd and Wheeler, I’m assuming) better. It gives them a good 1-2 punch of Malkin-Little, and it would give a spot to Trouba to make the team next year. They also rid themselves of a player that has demanded a trade (Burmistrov). Pens get a young top-4 D, a scoring top-6 W, a replacement 2C and a high pick

    Malkin for Markstrom, Huberdeau/Gudbranson and the 2nd overall pick

    Reasoning- More than anything else, Malkin gives the Panthers someone who can put butts in the seats. Do you know how relevant hockey would become in Florida if one of the biggest names in the league goes there? This would also let Florida trade for Luongo, because there seems to be mutual interest there. Pens get a replacement 2C/top-4 D, a future starting goalie, so they can ditch Fleury, and any one of a top W, C or D prospect. Huberdeau or Gudbranson depends on who is picked 1st overall (if Jones, Gudbranson will be coming, and if MacKinnon, Huberdeau will be coming).

    How are those? Just some ideas. These are all under the assumption of a sign-and-trade deal, so Malkin will be locked up for 8 years at around $9.5 million

    • jaguar0413 - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:42 PM

      I have to believe that Eberle and RNH are untouchable from the Oilers’ perspective. Tough to give up two potential superstars for Malkin (as good as he is).

      Winnipeg one is the most interesting. I’m not sure if they would be willing to throw the 1st round pick in though. Like you said, it would take care of the Burmistrov.

      Florida is just crazy enough to jump the gun and make that last deal. It’s intriguing for Pitt because it solves both the MAF and Malkin contract issues in one trade. The draw of Malkin could be enough to make it happen. For Pitt, they would get some awesome young talent to build around at three core positions.

      • penguins2946 - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:47 PM

        I can understand that on the Oilers thing. It was actually a Oilers fan who said that, and even though some said that they wouldn’t be moved, they did agree it was fair value. I think they should just wait and let their players grow.

        I didn’t like it when it was just Kane, Burmistrov and Bogosian. It wouldn’t be a 1st, but I could see a 2nd or a 3rd.

        Malkin to Florida makes sense, because they have a bunch of good NHL ready prospects that will help the Pens and their cap situation, Florida really needs a player to garner attention, and Florida has a deep enough prospect pool to stomach losing a 2nd overall pick and 2 excellent prospects. They also can re-acquire Luongo, since the feeling is mutual. Also, if money’s an issue for Malkin, Florida would probably be the best bet, because there’s no income tax there. It makes a lot of sense.

    • pepper2011 - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:57 PM

      WAY, WAY TOO much.

      Kane, Bogosian, Burmistrov and a 1st?

      maybe Kane and Bogosion. Maybe.

      RNH and Eberle and a pick? You are talking about 2 guys who will clearly be point a game guys for the next 10+ years and a top 10 pick in decent draft.

      • penguins2946 - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:11 PM

        First point, Kane and Bogosian for Malkin is almost insulting. Both are good, but Malkin is arguably the best player in the game. Burmistrov has demanded a trade, which hurts his value, and makes him a good player to be included in a deal. And I don’t think we’d get a 1st as well, I think a 3rd is much more realistic. I just didn’t like only Burmistrov, Bogosian and Kane.

        Also, on the topic of RNH and Eberle, they WILL, not will, they MAY be a PPG producer in the future. Malkin already is. That’s like saying that Forsberg shouldn’t have been moved for Erat, because Forsberg will be a PPG player in the future. Malkin is already at a higher level than even the max potential of RNH or Eberle. Players that are already at their potential are much more valuable than players who aren’t at their potential. That’s why Erat, a 2nd line winger, was able to get Forsberg, who has the potential to be a good 1st line winger. And, BTW, that was a proposal from an Oilers fan, not me.

      • pepper2011 - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:28 PM

        Forsberg should not have been moved for Erat.

        I just don’t know why Winnipeg would do that.

        Kane is proven he can and will be a 30 goal scorer; Bogosian is a Stud. He is only 22 and has 4 full years of NHL experience. You don’t find that often. He’s big, he’s physical, has some offense.

        I feel like the don’t need any help filling their seats, they would get the best player, but their team would get worse.

        That is without Burmistrov who will also be a stud and another 1st rounder.

      • pepper2011 - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:32 PM

        If the penguins could trade Malkin for a 22 year old 30 goal scorer who is tough as nails, a defenseman that is better than anyone they currently have AND one of the top young players in the game, good for them. Winnipeg would be foolish to make that deal.

      • penguins2946 - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:32 PM

        Burmistrov has also demanded a trade, so his value is shot. Also, Bogosian is a RFA, so he could easily hold-out and refuse to sign. Both of their values are hurt for 1 reason or another. Also remember this is Malkin we are talking about, not some random good offensive player.

      • pepper2011 - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:39 PM

        I don’t think those reasons really hurt their value. If a team makes an offer to Bogosian they get a haul in picks cause he will around 5m a year.

        who cares if Burmistrov wants a trade; doesn’t really hurt his value. Jeff Carter wanted a trade, Kessel wanted a trade.

        I know it’s Malkin, but I just think you are way undervaluing talent on other teams. The only teams that would give up way too much for him are teams that need to put people in seats. Winnipeg has a fantastic fan base.

        they would also be better off trading Burmistrov for a top 10 pick and keeping Kane and Bogosian. Basically just hit the reset button on Burmistrov

      • pepper2011 - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:43 PM

        just curious if the B’s offered Bergeron and Seidenburg for Malkin would you take that deal?

      • pepper2011 - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:50 PM

        Cause as a B’s fan I would be destroyed.

        It just seems to me that you value offense only, or flash. Yes, Malkin is a great player, but I could put up an argument that Bergeron is a better all around player.

      • penguins2946 - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:52 PM

        Burmistrov won’t get a top-10 pick. Sorry, it’s just not going to happen. He has the value of a B level prospect or a low 1st. Also, the difference between Carter or Kessel and Burmistrov is that they were really good players when they got traded. Kessel was coming off of a 36 goal season, and Carter was also coming off of a 36 goal season. Carter also had a 46 goal season, and was established as a legit sniper. The comparison just isn’t even there. Hell, Burmistrov still hasn’t gotten 46 POINTS in a season. In fact, he hasn’t even hit 30 points yet. It’s not going to happen.

      • penguins2946 - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:55 PM

        I’d say no to that deal. I’m looking for younger players for Malkin.

      • pepper2011 - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:58 PM

        Malkin has put up 3 100+ point seasons and and is well over a point per game player
        Bergeron is has zero 100 pt seasons, and is not a ppg player

        Bergeron career +/- +70
        Malkin +/- +48

        No +/- isn’t everything but it tells me despite Malkin scoring a bunch he is also on the ice for ton of goals against.

        This isn’t fantasy hockey we are talking about. Points are nice, but there is far more than points.

      • pepper2011 - Jun 6, 2013 at 5:04 PM

        and… I think Burmistrov is better than you are giving him credit for. They rushed him a bit but he’ll be a good player. I bet they could get top half of 1st rd. -worse case. I’d rather know what I am getting in Burmistrov – he’ll net 15-20 next year opposed to NJ or Dallas picking at 9 and 10

        mock draft I looked at:
        Sean Monahan
        Bo Horvat

        I mean both players may turn out to be better but it wouldn’t be until 2016-17 season and they both need player now.

        just my view….

      • pepper2011 - Jun 6, 2013 at 5:06 PM

        Also Bergeron is one year older than Malkin. He’s just been in the league forever.

      • penguins2946 - Jun 6, 2013 at 5:10 PM

        First of all, Bergeron is an amazing player, and I’d love to have him. However, I’m looking for a much younger player. If the Bruins came to me and offered Seguin and Bergeron for Malkin (even though they wouldn’t), I’d do it 10/10 times. Personally, I’d ask for Seguin before Bergeron. I don’t think their is a deal here though, Bruins just don’t have the prospects to interest the Pens.

        On the topic of Burmistrov, I think he could get a 15-20 pick. However, he would have more value in a package than by himself.

      • pepper2011 - Jun 7, 2013 at 9:59 AM

        I wouldn’t want Malkin. He is talented, but not a Bruin. – also you would take Seguin over Bergeron? don’t get me wrong Seguin has all the talent in the world and is a good player, but players like Bergeron don’t come around very often; there are 10 other Seguins in the league. Also FYI – The Bruins have a ton of high end prospects that would most certainly interest the Pens; Bartwoski, Krug, Hamilton, khokhlachev, Camara, Subban, Svedberg, Spooner and Knight.

  23. jaguar0413 - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:33 PM

    To Van:
    MAF ($5 million)
    Martin ($5 million)
    Jussi Jokinen ($2.1 million)

    To Pit:
    Luongo ($5.3 million)
    Keith Ballard ($4.2 million)
    Christopher Higgins ($2.5 million)
    1st Round Draft Pick

    Pittsburgh gets a huge upgrade in goal and shaves 1.6 million over the next two years from their D corps. They could even immediately buy out Higgins to cut more cap space. Plus, they get a draft pick to build around.

    Vancouver dumps Luongo and gets a top 4 D-man. They could use the compliance buyout they would used on Luongo for MAF and give themselves the cap space they desperately need.

    Maybe it’s not enough for Van to pull the trigger and they look to NY Islanders for a Luongo trade, but it’s an interesting idea nonetheless.

    • penguins2946 - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:37 PM

      Pens aren’t going to trade Martin, especially not for Luongo and Ballard. He’s been one of the only good D on the Pens this year. If you want Martin, it’s going to take a lot more than 2 buyout candidates, a player who hasn’t hit 50 points in 5 years and a late 1st. And adding Fleury (who’s not valueless) and Jokinen (who has been amazing on the Pens), it’s bad. Real bad.

      • jaguar0413 - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:59 PM

        MAF is about as close to valueless as can be. Maybe Bryz has underperformed more, but nobody else. Luongo would be a SIGNIFICANT upgrade over the Fleury/Vokoun platoon.

      • penguins2946 - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:12 PM

        He would be better, but because of his contract, he isn’t. If we were to make a deal with Vancouver, I’d rather it be Malkin for Schneider and Kesler+, then buying out Fleury ourselves.

      • rhodepop - Jun 6, 2013 at 5:18 PM

        Luongo at $5.3M for many years makes him hard to move and not worth the risk for the Pens. What teams NEED a goalie? Toronto? Montreal? Not Vancouver.

    • pepper2011 - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:03 PM

      why would vancouver do this? They get Martin, that is it really. They had a ton of injuries so thye don’t know what they have. Martin is better than Ballard but not for giving away Luongo who is substantially better than Fleury.

      I don’t think Pens fans realize how useless other fan bases (and I assume teams) think MAF is. he is not good. Nothing about him is desirable. Too much money. A high GAA. low save % and he’s not even young anymore.

      Vancouver is trying to get away from having two starting salaries at the goalie position. Adding a guy who is worse than what you have at a similar number while giving up the a pick is not a good move.

      • jaguar0413 - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:36 PM

        They get Martin and a significantly lower compliance buyout option in Fleury. That’s $5 million off of the cap and an upgrade to Martin versus just buying out Luongo. Like I said, Van might not do this deal because somebody like NY Islanders or FLA offers them more. Considering they haven’t been able to trade Luongo for over a year, I’m not sure if that will get more on the market.

      • pepper2011 - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:41 PM

        think not being able to and not trading him are two entirely different things.

        They gambled and lost. He also seems to care less about where he is going now as long as he is going.

  24. akashenk - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:54 PM

    As a Bruins fan, I have watched this series closely. I can say that Malkin has been the best offensive player on the ice the whole series. Some of the things he does on the offensive side of the rink are amazing. The fact that he hasn’t scored I think is more a combination of luck and incredible play by Rask than an indication of the level of Malkin’s play. I am sure when he becomes a free agent, some team will make him one of, if not the highest paid players in the game. I hope its not the Bruins.

    The problem with paying a player like Malkin the very top dollar is that he is pretty much a one-dimensional player. That doesn’t mean his one dimension isn’t important. It only means he isn’t a complete player. A complete player is someone who is good on offense and defense… a player that plays in all sorts of situations.. 5 on 5, power play, penalty kill, etc, and a player who is a leader in the clubhouse. There are very few players like that in the NHL. The Bruins’ Bergeron is one, though even he isn’t worth 10 million per year in a salary cap environment. There’s just no way any player is worth the kind of money that Malkin will get if a team is trying to build a championship squad. It will be interesting to see if NHL GMs catch on to that, but I doubt it. Some GM and his fan-base will be mesmerized by the start power and slick offensive skills Malkin brings, and back up the Brinks truck at his front door.

  25. malkinrulez - Jun 6, 2013 at 3:59 PM

    Malkin and Crosby are the faces of the franchise . Both retire as Pens . I have a feeling Tanger will be gone to free agency

  26. c1md6 - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    Lundqvist, Girardi and a pick for Malkin and Neal

  27. c1md6 - Jun 6, 2013 at 4:03 PM

    Lundqvist, Girardi, and a pick for Malkin and Neal

  28. slysipops - Jun 6, 2013 at 5:13 PM

    whether the PENS fans want to admit it or not PITT tried to buy a cup with some aging experience. the team would have changed dramatically next season no matter what the outcome this seasons playoff .as for MALKIN….he plays a lot like KANE ( blackhawks) when he’s on it’s great but when he’s not it’s bad on both ends of the ice. those two could do a race as to who makes more defensive errors or is slower coming back into their teams D zone on certain nights.MALKIN is braver than KANE ( size maybe ) but i have seen him dog getting back on the forecheck a lot! it would be interesting to see what other teams see as his worth. look what happened with the RANGERS and RICK NASH . also look at what happened to the BLACKHAWKS the year after they won stanley’s cup. HOCKEY IS A TEAM GAME. superstars only stretch so far !

  29. aldog83 - Jun 6, 2013 at 5:31 PM

    Anze Kopitar and Jonathan Bernier


    Evgeny Malkin and Brandon Sutter

  30. joewilliesshnoz - Jun 6, 2013 at 5:39 PM

    Mario should be used to hanging For Sale signs. Now he can hang one on the locker room door.

  31. steelers88 - Jun 6, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    HA HA HA! NO! The Penguins aren’t going to trade Malkin I think they will trade Letang before Malkin.

  32. taintedlombardis - Jun 6, 2013 at 7:48 PM

    He should demand a trade to play with the actual greatest player in the world. Malkin and the Great 8 would terrorize the NHL.

  33. jakreidler - Jun 6, 2013 at 8:09 PM

    Malkin/Letang for Bernier/Doughty/Pick. Probably won’t happen but it’s what I’d do in Be a GM mode haha!

  34. thebigtim2012 - Jun 6, 2013 at 8:30 PM

    The best graphic NBC put up last night was a head to head of letang and chara. Chara had 7 hits and one shot while letang had 0 hits and 8 shots. Letang might be listed as a defensive player but that’s a joke. Until someone keys him into the fact that he’s paid to stop plays not score goals I would never want him on my team at any price. Wellaybe if we could convert him to a defensive minded winger. And ill stick with Bergeron over Crosby and Malkin every day of the week. His plus minus might not be as good as those two but his team intangibles make him a far superior player as far as I’m concerned.

  35. spitfisher - Jun 6, 2013 at 9:21 PM

    Some you are spending money like a drunken sailor, there is a cap, a cap that is going down next year and if you want to see a sorry sight regarding the birds…….This was going to be the year, they have shot their load, they have double downed, they are all in.

    Look at this site below, you will see that the Pens will have to make major wholesale changes to a lot of their players, a majority of their players are not signed contractually for next year. Do you think a majority of them are going to take a pay cut???? The pens will likely move malkin at 8.7 mill, hes as good as gone, If they don’t they’ll have to use a bunch of Hershey players with 2 way contracts, especially on defense. My guess is your cup contention days will be limited to 1-2 round playoffs at best. almost 1/2 the cap in 2014 is with 5 players only they have maxed out their credit card and now the bill is due. compar this to the Bruins for example.

  36. tizzy412 - Jun 7, 2013 at 6:32 PM

    They will trade letang and sign malkin if letang wins norris award for top dman they will get atleast what they got for stall if not more a top 4 dman top prospect and first round pick am i the only one thinking the oens been drafting all these dmen cause they knew they would not be able to sign letang i don’t know what they will do with flower but i really think they trade letang don’t be suprised on draft day if pittsburgh makes a splash again

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