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Video: PHT Extra – What can Penguins do to survive?

Jun 5, 2013, 7:44 AM EDT

When you get outscored 9-1 in two games, there’s no one player at fault. The Penguins as a team have failed in this series and conversely, the Boston Bruins are looking like a squad that can win the Stanley Cup for the second time in just three years.

Mike Halford and Jason Brough looked at each team’s goaltending situation and analyzed what has gone right and wrong for these clubs as we get ready for Game 3 tonight:

  1. spitfisher - Jun 5, 2013 at 8:14 AM

    I don’t believe the penquins are doing anything wrong perse, yes they are losing a high % of face offs, but as Mr Jullian pointed out yesterday the Bs have multiple layers of defense thats focused, if that isn’t enough the Bs are doing an excellent job at poke, sweep and stick checking. Cindy has to battle Bergeron, tanacious checking & a Selke finalist ( defensive forward) , once thru he has Chara with his long stick and presense. If you asked any NHL high profile scorer who they fear most defensively its Chara, once thru Chara Cindy has Rask, who stays deep in the goal, rarely out of position and always square to the shooter.

    Next the arrogance, whining, finger pointing and the feeling of entitlement projected from the owner on down to Cindy- the league as a whole I believe thinks of them as a bunch of spoiled brats and steps up there game. Much like Vancouver in 2011 the bruins were very much the underdog, but their desire to overwhelm, outsmart, play tough and gel as a team overwhelmed essentially a one line team and suspected overrated goal tending.

    The birds, played the the islanders and the senators two teams that although young show some some grit, speed and offense but lacked experience in composure to the playoffs. The Islanders were also riding a hot goalie.

    The Birds are built on offense first and defense second, their offensive guys play the most and are top heavy- score 4-5 goals and you’ll likely win a large precentage of games. The Bs are four lines of defense first- with the exception of Jagr and a balance 4 lines of offense. Am I surprised at the lopsidedness of 9 goals to 1, yeah but then again the defensive layers have prevented the birds from mounting much of an attack, only 28 shots per game. Rask can handle that.

    Matt Cooke has more points than Cindy,Malkin, Neal, & Iginla combined…….Thats a problem.

    • valoisjoeybfeld69 - Jun 5, 2013 at 8:50 AM

      Lost all interest in your post when you went from what seemed like an intelligent post to disparaging remarks about one individual. Your point up until then was focused on the problem. Fortunately there are some commenters that write, all be it not many, without attacking anyone.

      • bakedbees - Jun 5, 2013 at 9:15 AM

        thanks troll cop

      • spitfisher - Jun 5, 2013 at 9:31 AM

        @ valoisjoeybfeld69

        My disparging remark, the whining, finger pointing and feeling of entitlement is an opinion based on events on the ice and press conferences. The view is also shared by the national media and NHL fans around the country-not all of them, but certainly plenty not to be ignored. I was not insinuating one person but rather Lemiuex all the way down to players. Take your blinders off….

    • valoisjoeybfeld69 - Jun 5, 2013 at 12:47 PM

      spitfisher, I see very clearly what’s happening. I know that Crosby complains, and he’s not the only one. Have you seen Toews vs Detroit? Have you read what Babcock said about the officiating? I lost interest not by your comment, but as soon as I read Cindy. Calling Crosby names or anybody else for that matter adds no value to what could be interesting posts It’s real old and pointless. I thought name calling was for kids.

      • 19to77 - Jun 5, 2013 at 3:56 PM

        Oh, get off your pulpit. Whether or not calling him “Cindy” accomplishes anything, Crosby’s ridiculous antics and victim complex make his reputation well-earned. You have to admit, he’s a hard man to like when he’s bleating at the refs for having the nerve to call penalties against him.

      • valoisjoeybfeld69 - Jun 5, 2013 at 5:17 PM

        Agreed! And you (sarcasm alert) got up on the pulpit and called him Crosby. :-)

  2. valoisjoeybfeld69 - Jun 5, 2013 at 9:04 AM

    Line matching could be a good strategy but Pens lost that advantage. Go with Fleury in nets, make short passes from their zone to Bs side of the ice, dump and chase, first player in the zone to play the instead of hitting. This way if you lose the foot race you don’t take yourself out of the play. Second man in should be about 15 feet away behind the first player fore checking prepared to take a pass or peel back. Third man in should be high slot same side of the ice as the puck. If the Pens gain position then they have options without being caught too deep risking odd man rushes. Third man can go for the net which could draw a checker opening up te points. No pinching for d men to start the game. Crosby and Malkin have been terrible without the puck when in the d and neutral zones. Don’t lea e the zone to quickly on the transition. I’ve always said the odd numbered games are the most important ones. Tonight is do die for the Pens. They need a near perfect game to beat te Bs who are playing very well. I hope we get to watch a good game.

    • stoopidfool - Jun 5, 2013 at 9:29 AM

      if they weren’t a dump and chase team all year, it is not going to work against a team who does that with regularity.

      the real problem is that the pens are built for speed, and if the speed ain’t working, then size becomes one hell of a problem that can’t be solved

      chara,lucic,horton,jagr,thornton,mcquaid are all bigger than anyone the pens have….there simply is no answer if the pens can’t make speed an advantage

      • spitfisher - Jun 5, 2013 at 9:33 AM

        actaully those players are big, but on average the Birds are a much larger team, taller and heavier…on average.

      • stoopidfool - Jun 5, 2013 at 9:35 AM

        look at the rosters…..that is simply not true

      • supercoop8 - Jun 5, 2013 at 11:29 AM

        As a Bruins fan I haven’t watched a ton of Pens game but even I can tell you that they roll four lines and that the 3rd and 4th line play a good amount of dump and chase. Also Spitfisher was correct they released the average height and weights earlier in the series and the Pens are bigger. The biggest problem for the Pens is the terrible decision making by Letang and Orpik. Letang pinching at inopportune times and Orpik throwing hits stead of playing the puck.
        Your right about their reliance on team speed but it starts with their D and crisp passes in to the neutral zone, which they couldn’t get done in Game 2. Go B’s

      • jpelle82 - Jun 5, 2013 at 11:43 AM

        it is true, pens actually outsize them on average – they said it during the broadcast last game

      • stoopidfool - Jun 5, 2013 at 2:28 PM

        not at the top of the roster, anyway…..when it comes to the primaries on both teams, the B’s are much bigger

        maybe by the time you get to the 4th line and the end of the bench.

    • kovodisc - Jun 5, 2013 at 10:30 AM

      Your theory is all well and good coach V, but you forgot one major component – the fact that the bruins defense is on the ice and won’t let any of that happen.

    • valoisjoeybfeld69 - Jun 5, 2013 at 12:51 PM

      Hey! I applaud each of you for your insightful comments. Very interesting read.

  3. ballistictrajectory - Jun 5, 2013 at 9:10 AM

    First, I (a Bruin fan back to the days of Orr) am not yet ready to label that expansion team from Pittsburgh dead and buried. I’ve seen the B’s rise to disappoint too many times.

    Second, I find it difficult to believe that the Penguins players and staff are so unoriginal that they can’t figure out what to do.

    Boston sets the bar high for it’s teams and the B’s have only risen to touch that bar in this series. We expect them to play this way EVERY game, and this season they’ve fallen short of that expectation in several areas.

    Allofthatsaid, if the Penguins can’t raise the specter of an offense tonight they should probably just fold the franchise and move everyone to Wilkes-Barre.

    • jpelle82 - Jun 5, 2013 at 11:48 AM

      i dont know if its unoriginal or just unwilling or stubborn. they didnt change anything last year and philly beat them. this year however they seemed to do what they needed to to get past the islanders (goalie change, roster juggling, got by the left wing lock/neutral zone trap). dont know what will happen but i get frustrated as a fan when i can see it clear as day and bylsma doesnt during the games. makes me think the old mantra of “we just need to execute” or “we gotta get back to playing our game” is a little worn out by now.

  4. habssuck - Jun 5, 2013 at 9:13 AM

    Congrats to all the Pens fans. You all have just as many goals as Sidney Crosby against the Bruins AND you have a better +\-! And they say PA is not a hockey state…

  5. blackfoot11 - Jun 5, 2013 at 10:48 AM

    What can they do to survive?….Simple, stop turning the puck over, getting out of position, and take what the Bruins are giving to create scoring chances. Too much talent in the line-up to yield the lack of production thus far.

    • whiskytango333 - Jun 5, 2013 at 11:22 AM

      Nice post, agreed on all points. I’d also add for the Penguins not to come unglued if things arent going to plan. Muck, grind, cycle, and play responsible defense. Also, the stretch passes arent working, and leading to some very costly turnovers.

      • jpelle82 - Jun 5, 2013 at 11:57 AM

        they abandoned the stretch pass during the islanders series once they figured out the trap they were running. problem i’ve seen now is the defensemen are carrying it to the redline but making bad dumps, carrying it too deep and getting out of position, making bad passes/turnovers, and then forwards are panicking with the puck when it does get deep and not establishing anything. testament to the bruins but…even if they abandon it, they still need to find a way to stop making the mistakes.

  6. 19to77 - Jun 5, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    Tell James Neal and Jarome Iginla to park their asses in front of the net and stay there come hell or high water. Rask has excellent rebound control and when he does bobble the puck the Bruins swarm immediately and the chance disappears behind a wall of sticks and bodies. The Pens need to create a much stronger net-front presence to spark the offense and create distractions and screens for their snipers to exploit.

    And someone tell Letang he’s not a forward for God’s sake.

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