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Discuss: Seabrook wins it for Blackhawks in OT

May 29, 2013, 11:09 PM EDT

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Aside from the Chicago Blackhawks and their fans, referee Stephen Walkom must be the happiest person in the United Center on Wednesday.

After blowing a play that lead to a go-ahead goal dead in the third period, Walkom got to wipe some sweat off his brow after Brent Seabrook scored the OT-winner to give the Blackhawks a 4-3 series win against the Detroit Red Wings. Let’s chat about it.

  • Does a Blackhawks win make that disallowed goal more of a footnote or will hockey fans point to it as one of the all-time blunders anyway?
  • The Red Wings might have given up a 3-1 series lead, but they still pushed the Blackhawks within a goal of being eliminated. Still, some wonder if Detroit is finally fading after all these years of dominance. Should GM Ken Holland rebuild in any form? If so, how much?
  • Are you impressed with Corey Crawford and/or Jimmy Howard after this second-round series? Neither netminder was a hockey household name, yet both acquitted themselves masterfully.
  • Seabrook has generated a lot of criticism lately. Will that huge goal get people off of his back?
  • Both conference finals feature top seed vs. fourth seed matchups with high-profile teams. Which series are you looking forward to the most?
  • So, who do you got: the Presidents’ Trophy-winning Blackhawks or the defending champion Los Angeles Kings?
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  1. bettmanistheworstever - May 29, 2013 at 11:11 PM

    Your network is the “pits all of all time” for hockey coverage of any kind. Too bad because it is a great sport ruined. Discuss! Ha!

    • govtminion - May 29, 2013 at 11:16 PM

      …What are you talking about?

      • ravenscaps48 - May 30, 2013 at 9:34 AM

        You know, I really didn’t care who won this game. But after the referee stole the game from Hjalmarson (first time spelling his name, so pardon if there are errors) I kinda wanted Detroit to win it in OT…. Not because of me being a heartless fellow, but I wanted to see how many of you would’ve hopped the glass and beaten the s**t out of the referees. All in all, Chicago deserved to win, and best of luck in your series against the Kings. Great season by Detroit as well.

    • mp1131211 - May 29, 2013 at 11:20 PM

      At least its coverage. If you’ve watched hockey (or tried to) for long, you’ll know that any coverage is good coverage for this sport. There were times when many a games were unwatchable. Not so now. Thanks to NBC

      • bettmanistheworstever - May 29, 2013 at 11:23 PM

        Any coverage is good coveratg – that says it all!

      • bettmanistheworstever - May 29, 2013 at 11:25 PM

        Coverage, and 42 years btw. How about you?

      • mp1131211 - May 29, 2013 at 11:28 PM

        Oh, sorry. I thought you were of sound mental health. My bad….

        Carry on.

    • hockeyflow33 - May 29, 2013 at 11:29 PM

      You get to watch basically every playoff game without having to pay for a separate cable package, how can you complain?

      • bettmanistheworstever - May 29, 2013 at 11:34 PM

        Because the commentators are so bad, and they perpetuate everything that is the worst about the game and “the product” Bettman wants to put out to buy, especially for kids. What’s so hard about this to understand – mp113whatever above aside (he’s “special”).

      • hockeyflow33 - May 29, 2013 at 11:36 PM

        So put the game on mute. Not sure why you think the game isn’t safe for kids but it’s a much tamer game than it was in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s

      • mp1131211 - May 30, 2013 at 1:26 AM

        What’s so hard about this to understand is that the NHL is doing great, there are more and more high quality hockey games being played and shown on TV, the league continually makes progressive moves to not only improve the game but to also be improve the hockey interest in the places that get teams, and frankly, no other sports league in the US or Canada has better, classier, or higher caliber athletes. The fact that you watched the REDWINGS play the BLACKHAWKS on national television in GAME 7 of playoff hockey that finished with an OT goal after an incredibly controversial call and all you can say to start the discussion off is that doc emrick ruins hockey for you by SAYING THINGS indicates that your more interested in complaining and moaning than anything else. That your screen name is a complaint in itself only further proves this.

        But whatever. Yeah I am special, thanks.

    • thebigwhitecat - May 29, 2013 at 11:39 PM

      Better NBC than ESPN.

    • natej725 - May 30, 2013 at 2:19 AM

      I don’t get u why is nbc coverage garbage did u prefer when the playoffs were stuck on vs network atleast now they have more coverage than they had right after the lockout in 03 and why was the hockey ruined it was fantastic and mike emrick the lead nbc hockey broadcaster is a phenomenal hockey broadcaster, ur statements are baseless dude do us all a favor and shut up

  2. 1943mrmojorisin1971 - May 29, 2013 at 11:12 PM

    Poetic justice. Walkom is the best in the business, why he was calling that in the last minutes of Game 7 is beyond me.

    • stakex - May 29, 2013 at 11:13 PM

      Well the joust between the two was a little bit above and beyond. Probably wanted to keep things from getting out of hand, as they so often do late in games like this. Still a strange call, but on at least some level its understandable.

    • tycobbfromfangraphs - May 29, 2013 at 11:14 PM

      Because the whistle blew before it went in? What are people expecting? “Oh you scored, nevermind that the play was being stopped”?

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - May 29, 2013 at 11:21 PM

        There’s not going to be a brawl 90 seconds before OT, send them to the bench.

      • tycobbfromfangraphs - May 29, 2013 at 11:28 PM

        He’s calling double minors and already made the decision before Chicago scores. Again, I guess you want refs to change their mind after a goal is scored seconds later.

      • jasndc75 - May 29, 2013 at 11:29 PM

        obviously they cant allow the goal because of the whistle. the point is there was no reason to blow the whistle – that was the bad call

      • tycobbfromfangraphs - May 29, 2013 at 11:31 PM

        Cool story, I live in a world where he DID blow the whistle.

      • hockeyflow33 - May 29, 2013 at 11:34 PM

        No one is having issue with the waving off, it’s the terrible calls that facilitated the waving off

  3. stakex - May 29, 2013 at 11:12 PM

    Happiest man in Chicago: Stephen Walkom.

  4. tycobbfromfangraphs - May 29, 2013 at 11:12 PM

    Is Kronwall still backing up allowing Seabrook a perfect shooting position?
    Massively overrated

    Ya so, Wings provided a great finish making the playoffs and winning a round. Wish they coulda stole this game but they couldn’t, I hate you Hawks.

    • natej725 - May 30, 2013 at 2:37 AM

      kronwall is a top 10 nhl defenseman tycobb idiot yes he made a crucial mistake by not attacking seabrook but the he did have the where with all to slightly move out from in front so as not to screen howard the puck just unluckily richochet into the top corner over howards glove if that doesn’t happen howard eats that puck up and they are still playing not to mention he just averaged nearly 30 minutes a game for consecutive 7 game series against excellent opponents please do us a favor and don’t comment when you don’t know what you are talking about

  5. hammerhead5573 - May 29, 2013 at 11:15 PM

    No sense in taking smack here. The wings gave Chicago all they could handle and I suspected that would be the case from game 1. There is nothing better and I assure you I have seem a ton of these games. Nothing better than a Detroit vs Chicago series. To some of you Wings fans. It was fun reading comments from you and seeing the bickering going back and forth. To Hawks fans:

    Light em up, up, up, up ,they’re on fire.

  6. caniac4ever - May 29, 2013 at 11:16 PM

    A world where Pierre McGuire does not exist is the world I want to some day live in. Oh yeah, congrats Hawks!

    • nothanksimdriving123 - May 29, 2013 at 11:52 PM

      He’s actually one of the best rink-side interviewers around these days, generally good short questions to get good thoughtful answers. BUT… could someone please, please tell him to stop directing his comments to his buddies (isn’t that right Eddie and Doc?) and remember that his audience is us, out here in TV land. And he can also cease and desist offering his approval of his buddies’ comments (oh, good eye by you), as I would hope their self-esteem does not rely on him and we don’t care if he likes what they say.

      • bettmanistheworstever - May 29, 2013 at 11:57 PM

        This is a joke, right? “Eddie, do you like what I said? Am I cool? Can I sit at your Iunch table?”

      • caniac4ever - May 29, 2013 at 11:59 PM

        You basically just agreed with me and also denounced your first sentence, but hey, whatever bruh.

      • bettmanistheworstever - May 30, 2013 at 12:12 AM

        Um, no. I clearly don’t think he is one of the “best rink-side commentators ever”, but rather one of, and probably the worst. Go back and read your own post.

      • nothanksimdriving123 - May 30, 2013 at 4:09 AM

        It might help if y’all would learn to read. I never said best commentator, I said interviewer, and then was quite critical of his commentating. Sorry if you don’t understand the difference.

    • caniac4ever - May 30, 2013 at 12:20 AM

      It was meant for the first reply to my comment from “nothanksimdriving123”. When you add a reply to address a reply to your original comment, it posts under all previous replies.

  7. dtownbeatdown - May 29, 2013 at 11:17 PM

    This one is going to hurt for a while. But that was an awesome series and regardless of bad calls on both sides, could not ask for a more entertaining series. I hate Chicago but ill be pulling for them now. Talented team and I think they will run with it now.

    • hammerhead5573 - May 29, 2013 at 11:21 PM

      Hey bro, not for nothing but since this series started I read many of your comments as well as others and it was good to see you and other wings/hawks fans very level headed about this series. In the end it’s just a game and we are just fans.

      • dtownbeatdown - May 29, 2013 at 11:36 PM

        Much appreciated. When most of us “hate” teams, just means I respect them more in a weird way if saying it. Nobody hates a team that sucks lol. It was nice to see some excellent hockey, and see an awesome battle one last time. I wouldn’t doubt we see each other in the cup finals in the next 5 years. Hope to see you guys there. Good luck with the kings.

  8. joeandcambria - May 29, 2013 at 11:20 PM

    “Should Holland rebuild in any form?”

    What do you think this season was? A majority of our team were either rookies or second year players. They proved they deserve to be on this team, and our young core was fantastic. With Brunner, Nyquist, DeKeyser, Kindl, Lashoff, Tatar, and Smith, I’m pretty optimistic about our future.

    • hockeyflow33 - May 29, 2013 at 11:31 PM

      I think it’s always odd when the question of rebuilding comes up for a team that was a bounce away from going to the conference finals

  9. bettmanistheworstever - May 29, 2013 at 11:22 PM

    Walkom will be happy if nobody talks about anything at all related to him in this series: a kind of Nuremburg defense. What should young hockey players take from watching the NHL? Seriously, NHL and your loyal-ackey, but few, networks, please post an open thread. I will get lots of young hockey players responding in one of Bettman’s expansion markets, Dallas, to respond. Hint: Most are confused and upset. A very few think it would be cool to slew foot or elbow someone in the head, or kick a goalie in the head with their skate, to injure the other team’s best players as Bickell said. Congrats on building a model sport and model citizens. Y’all should go into politics or big business, … oh, never mind.

    • hockeyflow33 - May 29, 2013 at 11:32 PM

      How many trolling names on here do you have?

      • bettmanistheworstever - May 29, 2013 at 11:37 PM


      • hockeyflow33 - May 29, 2013 at 11:38 PM

        Well we know of 1 and people like you tend to have multiple handles. I challenge you to once bring something intelligent and worthwhile to a conversation.

      • bettmanistheworstever - May 29, 2013 at 11:51 PM

        Oh, you’re kind of sad and pathetic and way off. And haven’t shown a quantum particle of contribution. Aim lower, and you won’t be so frustrated in life. How long have you been watching and playing?

      • bettmanistheworstever - May 30, 2013 at 12:22 AM

        R U a racist and/or xenophobe? Just wondering. There is help if you ask.

  10. rgledz - May 29, 2013 at 11:23 PM

    The play shouldn’t have been stopped tycobb. That’s the point. Get it???

    • tycobbfromfangraphs - May 29, 2013 at 11:30 PM

      Yawn, again, I guess you people think refs are supposed to take back their whistle and intent of stopping play to call double minors because someone just scored.

      “Dur the play shouldn’t have been dur ah stopped because the refs are not supposed to call anything late in the dur game.” is what you’re saying

      • hockeyflow33 - May 29, 2013 at 11:33 PM

        No, penalties like this behind the play that have no impact on the game should never be called.

      • comeonnowguys - May 30, 2013 at 9:50 AM

        No. Body. Is. Arguing. About. The. Whistle.

        The point that anyone here has tried to make is that the calls that made the whistle necessary should never have been made.

        If you disagree about the penalties, fine. But if you don’t understand this basic point, you need to see a doctor about sterilization. For the good of mankind.

  11. mp1131211 - May 29, 2013 at 11:26 PM

    suck it, chicago……

    OK, I’m over it.

    Go Chicago! Crush the Kings!!!!!!!

  12. hockeyfan64 - May 29, 2013 at 11:30 PM

    You may not like the no goal call, but wow, the hit that started the winning goal play was a clear boarding call. Apparently the “great” NBC announcers can’t be bothered with that. As the interviewed hawks player said, he heard the whistle before the waived off goal – and knew it was not going to count. It happens…

    • bettmanistheworstever - May 29, 2013 at 11:39 PM

      Not even mentioned, was it? I nominate hockeyflu33 above for league commissioner! He has everything they want!

    • speedstickmusk - May 29, 2013 at 11:47 PM

      Thought the hit on Nyqvist from Bolland was a hit to the head at least but no call… seen hits like that called all year. Poetic justice for Chicago to win but once again, no consistency in this league…

      • jrhawk - May 30, 2013 at 10:08 AM

        Hit to the head? Riiiiiight…

  13. championsleaguer - May 29, 2013 at 11:32 PM

    Loco. Kings are going to have the WORST time with these dynamic forwards. Lack of speed on defense (cough-cough Regehr). As high-flying a Western Conference Final as you will see. I have no idea who wins. In the East, it’s Pittsburgh, somewhat easily – Rask will be exposed big time.

  14. tdrusher225 - May 29, 2013 at 11:34 PM

    Detroit seemed to deserve the win up until the waved-off goal. If Detroit had won with the benefit of an awful call like that, it would’ve been a hollow victory filled with controversy. The right team won, which seems to be the way these games kinds of games work out.

    • dman1111 - May 30, 2013 at 12:33 AM

      ‘The right team won…’ that is hysterical…why play the games, should’ve just handed the Hawks the Cup with the President’s Trophy after such an awesome 82 game regular season….oh wait!

      • tdrusher225 - May 30, 2013 at 6:49 AM

        I meant in the context of that game. That’s why I said Detroit deserved the win up until the disallowed goal.

    • natej725 - May 30, 2013 at 2:44 AM

      lol would have been a hollow victory its the playoffs I would have taken that in a second and not felt bad about Chicago luck for one second

  15. dt58 - May 29, 2013 at 11:34 PM

    Congrats Wings on a great series. I’ll miss the rivalry but you have a lot of young talent there and I have a feeling that it’ll be nice not having you in our division. OT was a fitting ending.

    • bensawesomeness - May 30, 2013 at 12:39 AM

      Well said

  16. elwaysmilehighdenver - May 29, 2013 at 11:37 PM

    Bettman……..Climb down from the ledge.
    The sun will come up tomorrow. And oh yeh, it’s only a game! The refs had many questionable whistles throughout this entire series. They did not decide the outcome however. I hate Chicago but will tip my cap. They scored 1 more goal than Detroit. Time to drop it and get over yourself. Your hatred is getting old.

    • bettmanistheworstever - May 29, 2013 at 11:41 PM

      I’m REALLY just fine. Thanks for your well wishes! Bettman’s NHL still stinks, and has for a long time. Cheers!

      • dt58 - May 29, 2013 at 11:49 PM

        If it’s that bad, why do you you waste your valuable time that, with your obvious knowledge, you could be doing so much more with?

      • mp1131211 - May 30, 2013 at 1:45 AM

        If you don’t like the NHL, do us all a favor and stop commenting on NHL games. There are other hockey leagues.

    • bettmanistheworstever - May 29, 2013 at 11:53 PM

      I do, dude. Trust me. It’s just a real shame about hockey. I play and follow a lot of sports. Hardly ever post or blog at all. If you only new.

      • bettmanistheworstever - May 30, 2013 at 12:01 AM


  17. joeyg88 - May 29, 2013 at 11:37 PM

    Final score: Chicago 3
    Detroit 1

    • bhawksrule - May 30, 2013 at 12:29 AM

      For sure man, had to beat the Wings twice and their fans are still whining!

  18. coop1219 - May 29, 2013 at 11:43 PM

    If Chicago doesn’t score on that play, no one says anything about that being a bad call.

    Everyone at NBC should be ashamed at crying for Chicago on a play like that, then head into overtime and completely overlook that hit on Nyquist where he is hit from the blindside, 4 feet from the boards, having his head driven into the dasher and there is no call.

    That being said, I couldn’t even put into word how proud I am of the Red Wings this year. Most people had them written off before the season even started, let alone after the playoffs started. They played hard, and a lot of our young players got great experience that will just make us better headed into the future. They beat a number two seed and pushed the number one to the brink with half of the Grand Rapids Griffins playing in the NHL.

    I’d say our future looks pretty damn bright.

    • bhawksrule - May 30, 2013 at 12:31 AM

      LOL I love the Detroit tears! We beat you twice tonight, even after you were given a golden opportunity after failing two times to put us away. The better team wins games despite the bad calls, and that’s what you saw tonight.

      • natej725 - May 30, 2013 at 3:11 AM

        I love that it took your dominating blackhawks 7 games to put us away u only won the presidents trophy and it took overtime in a game 7 to do it the officiating was for the most part equal for both teams, babcock outcoached quinnville throughout most of the series, the blackhawks struggled to play without space as they had been accustomed to, and must have been hard being a blackhawks fan when they were putrid for a long time just be happy your team has good front office people now, the red wings are the class of the nhl and have been for a a good 24 years now

    • pwt3 - May 30, 2013 at 12:43 AM

      And if you have a brain, no one says anything about you being a moron.

      • coop1219 - May 30, 2013 at 8:08 AM

        What does your pointless comment have to do with a discussion on hockey? I’m sure it was hard enough for you to put that entire sentence together on your own… or did your mommy help you?

        Maybe you should have just got your pull-up on, got back in bed, and let the grown-ups talk. It was really WAY past your bed time.

      • pwt3 - May 31, 2013 at 9:36 AM


  19. indianhead1992 - May 29, 2013 at 11:44 PM

    that call was awful, and he should be done for the playoffs after that one. 90 seconds left in game 7 and you call off a play on a few guys jabbing each others face? there were worse confrontations going on during the game that didnt end the play but that one did? just embarrassing on the NHLs be half.
    the counter… what a series! wings hawks game 7 couldn’t ask for a better setting to end this division rivalry. to all the wings fans it was funny arguing, smack talk, and complimenting each other over these last week. once again good luck to the wings next year, show those basterds how to play hockey. hopefully in the near future we will have another game 7 to bicker about!
    Go Hawks!

    p.s now we have to deal with stupid south cali bandwagoners for a week, its going to be awful! :)

    • bettmanistheworstever - May 30, 2013 at 12:04 AM

      Good luck with one of Gary’s most important expansion markets. Me thinks those Hawks and long time hockey fans who follow might be in for some sad revelations, but nothing against the Hawks themselves at all. At least they have skill and play a style that is mostly fun to watch.

  20. mikemj - May 29, 2013 at 11:48 PM

    As a Hawks fan I have to say I’m really impressed with Howard, I think he’s established himself among the top goaltenders in the league this postseason. I’m not sure what to make of Crawford, though. He let in several bad goals this season and almost always played great after each bad goal.

    • dt58 - May 29, 2013 at 11:54 PM

      Howard was amazing. Was impressed with Crawford too, battled through a couple iffy goals and made some really big saves in key times

  21. centraldutch - May 29, 2013 at 11:52 PM

    Too bad this rivalry will be diminished so much next year. Half the tension was related to 805 previous games being played.

    • nothanksimdriving123 - May 30, 2013 at 12:05 AM

      I’m guessing that the history going back decades is of greater importance to the fans than to the players, many of whom are from Europe and don’t grow up hearing all about Mikita and Hull and Howe and Sawchuk, let alone the real old-timers such as Mike Karakas or Syd Howe.

  22. andyreidisfat - May 30, 2013 at 12:24 AM

    It’s to bad after a good series that in the end it doesn’t matter. The kings have one if the best playoff goalies I have ever seen. Once again a superstar goalie will take his average at best team to a second straight cup.

    Would love to see the hawks find a way to beat quick, but I don’t see it.

    I think the kings win in 5-6 and the b’s win in 7 then the kings will sweep for the title

    • bhawksrule - May 30, 2013 at 12:34 AM

      The Kings cannot skate with the Blackhawks. With back to back home games , the Hawks take a commanding 2-0 series lead and never look back. Quick won’t be “quick enough” for these high flying Hawks! Yessir I did it.

      • natej725 - May 30, 2013 at 3:19 AM

        lol u did what make homer comment for your blackhawks nice analysis by the way haha good pun, im pretty sure they can watch game film of how the severely less talented wings nearly beat the hawks by not giving them any room to skate in space its a farely easy concept to grasp and quick is better than howard and he was amazing against the hawks

  23. andyreidisfat - May 30, 2013 at 12:24 AM

    It’s to bad after a good series that in the end it doesn’t matter. The kings have one if the best playoff goalies I have ever seen. Once again a superstar goalie will take his average at best team to a second straight cup.

    Would love to see the hawks find a way to beat quick, but I don’t see it.

    I think the kings win in 5-6 and the b’s win in 7 then the kings will sweep for the title

  24. rgledz - May 30, 2013 at 12:51 AM

    Dur….tycobb you’re an idiot if you think Saad deserved a fricking penalty in that situation. That’s why it was a bad call…..can you wrap your tiny little brain around that??? It should have just been a Detroit penalty and play continues. Just stop typing please, you look more and more moronic after each comment.

  25. squatch9 - May 30, 2013 at 1:14 AM

    Hmm. As much as I want to feel bad for Red Wings fans in general… as much as I want to commiserate and wish them good luck in the Eastern Conference… I keep running in to the a-h0le fans. They’re like Yankees fans, never stopping their sh*t talk, never stopping their arrogance. Run into them on the internet, run into them in the Coyotes arena, or United Center… Same loudmouth drunks.

    I’m glad the Blackhawks beat you, and I’m glad they beat you in a way that feels like a stomach punch. Not all Wings fans are bad, but the ones on this board are, for the most part, pretty awful.

    So shove the seafood elsewhere. Go Blackhawks.

    (P.S. There’s a reason why fans will spontaneously break out in chants of, “RED WINGS SUCK!”, at games the Wings are not even participating in, all across the Western Conference…

    • natej725 - May 30, 2013 at 3:24 AM

      yea its because all other fans are jealous of us u moron easy concept the wings are deservedly the best organization in sports only challenged by the spurs and cardinals and patriots

  26. nkings - May 30, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    Not to nitpick but Kings Hawks is a 1 vs 5 matchup and not 1 vs 4. Want to point that out so our sweep over the Hawks is even more impressive!

  27. florida727 - May 31, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    My only criticism of the TV coverage is this: why in the heck would you put BOTH games on Saturday instead of one Saturday and the other on Sunday, each in prime time obviously?

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