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Toews has beef with officiating after Game 2 loss

May 18, 2013, 4:50 PM EST

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Chicago captain Jonathan Toews isn’t happy about his team dropping Game 2 to Detroit 4-1. He’s also really not happy with how the game was officiated.

Toews told reporters after the game he wasn’t happy with how rough the Red Wings were with him and the rest of his team and that the calls should start being made because of it. Mark Lazerus of the Chicago Sun-Times provides the postgame airing of grievances via Twitter.

“There’s a lot of clutch and grab, lot of interference, and if they’re going to let that go, that’s something we need to know,” Toews said. “It’s just tough to understand sometimes why we get roughing and hooking penalties, [and] that doesn’t go both ways.”

“If that’s the way they’re going to play, we need to play the same way.”

Is Toews ticked about losing and venting? Probably. Is he politicking for more calls to be made? Absolutely.

Chicago took five penalties to Detroit’s three while the Red Wings finished the game going 0-4 on the power play. Chicago went 0-2 in Game 2 but were 1-3 on the man advantage in Game 1. You can bet he wants to see his team get more chances on the power play moving forward.

Game 3 is Monday night at Joe Louis Arena in Detroit.

  1. groleo45 - May 18, 2013 at 4:59 PM

    Not much leadership out of the Captain here. If I were him I’d be more concerned abou the Wings outskating, outhitting, and generally domination the Hawks in game 2 then some minor officiating stuff that surely was going on both ways.

    • stakex - May 18, 2013 at 5:35 PM

      Well some would argue he is doing the whole Captain thing here by trying to get more favor from the refs next game.

      Now I don’t agree with that, and I would like to think the refs wouldn’t reward this kind of whining after a game… but unfortunatlly I think they do far more then they should.

      • savardian - May 19, 2013 at 2:22 AM

        The refs should listen to their bosses in Toronto, who want to make more money by marketing their marquee skilled stars and showing the average fan the higher scoring games he and she want to watch. They should be saying, we want to see our stars from Datsuk to Toews and Kane making highlights, so protect them! Could you imagine the NFL allowing its top stars like Tom Brady and Peyton Manning to be beaten and abused outside the rules so they cannot perform and lesser-talented and less-marketable and less fun-to-watch players could advance?

    • 0ffsides - May 18, 2013 at 9:52 PM

      He wasn’t whining a couple years ago when the Hawks speared Lidstrom in the nuts on the way to their series win over the Wings and there was no call. Toews and Kane are worse whiners than Perry and Getzlaff. Man up and play hockey, don’t worry about the officiating.

      • captainloaded - May 18, 2013 at 10:21 PM

        I remember Hossa drawing a tripping penalty for falling over a piece of lint on the ice in game 1.

      • chanceoffleury1 - May 19, 2013 at 1:22 AM

        That was actually in 2009. (http://www.aolnews.com/2009/06/14/nicklas-lidstroms-uncomfortable-injury/)

        I specifically remember because Lidstrom just seemed off through the SCF series with the Pens and then a few days later after the Pens won they described his testicles as in a “nearly catastrophic” state and it finally made sense. So despite spearing Lidstrom in the testicles, they still couldn’t get out of that series with the win.

  2. nunan - May 18, 2013 at 4:59 PM

    Less penalties means better hockey.

    • savardian - May 19, 2013 at 2:30 AM

      Really? You must mean fewer penalties committed makes a better game. But fewer penalties called means the lesser players can infringe on the more talented players and the game becomes a frustrating exercise decided by random bounces. This is why Vancouver wins 50-staright regular season divisons including two Presidents Trophies and then goes down in the playoffs. Because the playoffs is a different game with different rules. The talent doesn’t matter as much. And that is a ridiculous. In the NFL, if a DB commits pass interference, it is called, whether it is week one or the SuperBowl. If they did it the NHL way, it wouldn’t matter who your quarterback was once the playoffs started. That is why the NFL is the most successful sports business in the world and my NHL is sixth-rate.

      • savardian - May 19, 2013 at 2:33 AM

        TYPO ABOVE That should be FIVE, not 50, 5-straight divisions for Vancouver

  3. groleo45 - May 18, 2013 at 4:59 PM

    Not much leadership out of the Captain here. If I were him I’d be more concerned abou the Wings outskating, outhitting, and generally dominating the Hawks in game 2 then some minor officiating stuff that surely was going on both ways.

  4. hockinj25 - May 18, 2013 at 5:04 PM

    Poor baby.

  5. datsyukiandeke9 - May 18, 2013 at 5:05 PM

    Man up and admit you were outplayed. Should have been another wings pp when you chopped zetterberg on his way to the bench after he owned you on another shift.

  6. steverolley - May 18, 2013 at 5:14 PM

    Maybe the refs put the whistles away after Hossa’s second dive in the past two games.

    • dtownbeatdown - May 18, 2013 at 5:17 PM

      ZIng!

    • savardian - May 19, 2013 at 2:31 AM

      If you have watched as much as I have you will see Detroit is so good at systematically doing little obstructive things like hooks and grabs off the puck to negate their opponents speed. I believe Hossa knows how this is done and coached from the year he spent there. This is why Hossa takes dives against Detroit but not other opponents, but yes, he IS HOOKED! And since the 2005 lockout it is supposed to be zero tolerance.

      • savardian - May 21, 2013 at 12:14 AM

        Well you Motorheads may not like this but tonight’s refs corrected from game two. And NBCSN commentator former Pittsburgh coach Eddie Olczyk agrees. After Detroit got its third obstruction penalty late in the second period Olczyk said Detroit for years has been the best in the league at setting picks. This is why the “Hawks were better, firing 40 shots.

  7. dtownbeatdown - May 18, 2013 at 5:17 PM

    This is weak, really weak, especially from their captain. So I didn’t know getting rough in hockey was against the rules now? This is the playoffs does he expect everyone to play nice? Had a lot of respect for Toews until this comment. You got out skated, and out played, out worked. If you think roughing should be called, then so should diving if you want to complain.

    • chanceoffleury1 - May 19, 2013 at 1:38 AM

      Completely agree. He’s only 2 years older than me so I have always had a lot of respect for Toews since despite coming from this new generation of what seems like whinier stars in general, he always seemed pretty old school and just let his talent do the talking. Just always came off as far more mature than a lot of players his age. Complaining about something like this just makes me throw him in with the rest of his generational cohort. I think he’s spoiled everyone to expect a little more class than sinking to playing the ref card. Doesn’t help much that he’s been under-producing since the playoffs started, either. Right now he sounds a little too much like a certain eastern player that also dawns a red jersey. He’s better than that. As a Pens fan I can definitely empathize and realize this was probably just his 25 year old showing. Sometimes you get those lapses from a young captain. Happens to the best of them.

  8. Stiller43 - May 18, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    “There’s a lot of clutch and grab, lot of interference, and if they’re going to let that go, that’s something we need to know,” Toews said. “It’s just tough to understand sometimes why we get roughing and hooking penalties, [and] that doesn’t go both ways.”

    To the first point…i dont think the refs go to each teams locker room before the game and let them know it will be a tight or loosely called game. Also, any player naturally picks up on how the reffing is just by the calls that are happening. So THATS now you know.

    The second statement, thats just complaining. I expect more from Toews. Calls are going to go for AND against you sometimes. The game was 4-1. The refs didnt decide it, your teams play did.

  9. 19to77 - May 18, 2013 at 5:33 PM

    Is it just me, or has a player or coach come out after every loss this postseason and whined about the refs and calls? Seriously, what the hell’s with all the complaining? They call too much, they don’t call enough, the faceoffs aren’t fair, the suspensions aren’t fair, nothing is fair because our team lost tonight. What, did the Coyotes set a precedent last year when they lost to the Kings? This is getting pathetic.

    • nothanksimdriving123 - May 18, 2013 at 5:51 PM

      Fantasy: Coach/captain after losing, “The refs? Oh they may have missed something here or there, but we got away with as much crap as the other team did. I’m not sure I’d agree with all their calls, but at least they were moving their feet. We weren’t. We didn’t play with the intensity you need this time of year. Which calls? Well, we got a power play in the first period that we obviously didn’t deserve. …”

    • jpelle82 - May 18, 2013 at 5:59 PM

      not everyone is doing it. you dont hear it from the wings or kings. you dont hear it from the pens either. this surprises me from toews…not as bad as ovechkin with his conspiracy theories but still surprising.

      • 19to77 - May 18, 2013 at 6:34 PM

        Yeah. Seems pretty out of character for him. Always pegged him as one of the classier guys in the League.

      • blackfoot11 - May 19, 2013 at 1:53 PM

        J, You can add the Kings to the list. J Quick got a game misconduct for complaining to the refs. Its like I said before, the officiating has been below average all year and every team has to deal and cope. However, we are dealing with entitled superstars in some instances and this is what you get. Ovi, Teows, Quick, etc.

    • savardian - May 19, 2013 at 2:39 AM

      Why is everyone complaining? MAYBE BECAUSE IT IS A FAIR COP! Why is a team that is barely able to make the 8th seed able to win the Cup. Why is a team that always wins its division and two Presidents Trophies unable to advance in the playoffs? Because the playoffs is a different game with totally different rules. This is why everyone is confused and complaining. It is a ridiculous shame.

  10. bigoldorcafromvan - May 18, 2013 at 5:39 PM

    Toew’s whinning to the refs usually gets 3 or 4 PP for the Hawks each game. Refs didn.t listen to Toews today and now he is upset. To Bad So Sad Toews. Congrats on the win Wings.

    • comeonnowguys - May 20, 2013 at 9:00 AM

      Enjoying your golfing?

  11. twesty85 - May 18, 2013 at 5:40 PM

    I MustHave Been Watching A Different Game Because ThereWere MultipleTTimes H Was Held On The GroundAfter Hit And The PUck Was CloseR ToThe Blue Line. He’s Still The Best Captain In The League.

    • nothanksimdriving123 - May 18, 2013 at 5:53 PM

      twesty, if you turn in your term paper looking like that, you will likely fail the class. Just sayin’.

      • jcmeyer10 - May 18, 2013 at 6:30 PM

        If he had to capitalize manually, I must give him credit for the effort. To your point, the execution was indeed clearly lacking.

    • handsofsweed - May 18, 2013 at 7:03 PM

      Can you do us all a favor and just turn that huge mess into an acronym?

      Oh, what the hell:

      IMHBWADGBTWMTWHOTGAHATPWCTTBLHSTBCITL.

      • hockeydon10 - May 19, 2013 at 7:37 AM

        I loled

  12. blackhawksdynasty - May 18, 2013 at 5:46 PM

    I can’t stand these guys crying about officiating after a game. I don’t care what team they play for. Shut up and double the effort.

  13. stakex - May 18, 2013 at 5:50 PM

    No matter how you look at it… the power players were 4-2 and neither team scored on them. The Wings out played the Hawks by a score of 4-1 at even strength. You don’t deserve to win a game when you are out played that bad at even strength… end of story.

    Also, if the refs really were favoring the Wings in this game (they weren’t btw), perhaps it had something to do with yet another laughable Hossa dive. Two games, two terrible acting jobs by Hossa that both draw penelties. Perhaps the refs saw the replay afterwards and decided to no longer give Chicago the benefit of the doubt the rest of the game.

  14. bigoldorcafromvan - May 18, 2013 at 6:04 PM

    I am hoping the refs no longer give Chicago the benefit of the doubt for the rest of the playoffs.

  15. rebekah319 - May 18, 2013 at 6:07 PM

    Toews its Hockey seriously take the hits and checks and move on! Its a game! I am by no means a fan of either team but everyone needs to stop complaining about the refs.. and Blackhawks needs to deal with losing once in a blue moon better get over it and focus on the next game!

  16. manchestermiracle - May 18, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    At least the league knows which locker room to send the wambulance after every game these playoffs. Well, except I haven’t heard the Kings or Wings crying after losses.

  17. hockeydon10 - May 18, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    This is one of the things you encounter when a young guy is given the Captaincy of a team. I know it’s a trend recently, but I feel it’s not a trend that typically helps their team out. You can mark off quite a few young captains that have engaged in this whining-through-the-press.

    Toews is a seriously competitive person, as all players must be to achieve an NHL career. But that doesn’t mean he’s grown past whining a bit here and there when losing a game. As was mentioned, nobody scored on the power play. The Wings managed to hang four goals on his team in 5-on-5 play, so the penalties weren’t a factor beyond less time spent in the offensive zone. Which the Hawks seemed to have less of anyway during even strength play.

    The Wings are now rested and were able to counter the up-tempo forecheck that served Chicago so well against the Wild, and again during game one of this series.

    In short, he needs to shut-up and nut-up. Out play your opponents during 5-on-5 and during your power plays. Or don’t.

    (Hopefully don’t. LGRW!)

  18. dumbassgreg - May 18, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    only the redwings seem to not cry about something after a loss. toews like most of his age group. always got a medal just for showing up. never learned how to lose because they never did. mommy daddy always pumping up their fragile egos.

  19. johnnycash19 - May 18, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    It’s hard to draw penalties when you don’t control the puck. Who’s fault is that? The refs didn’t let Detroit control the game.

  20. jburrell4 - May 18, 2013 at 7:39 PM

    Hossa was a disgrace for the second game in a row. After the game 1 dive, he throws up his hands and snaps his neck back while being ‘hooked’ and gets the call from the ref at the blue line. Toews needs to keep his mouth shut to the media and address his team’s theatrics and lack of grit behind closed doors. Most have already handed the series to the ‘Hawks, but these guys need to be careful with an underdog Wings team that plays with a lot of guts. They are seriously flawed on the back end, but the more whining Chicago does, the better off the Wings are…

  21. hockeyflow33 - May 18, 2013 at 7:45 PM

    The refs get yelled at when they don’t call penalties, they get yelled at when they call too many. Just worry about playing your own game and stop blaming the officiating.

  22. girouxed - May 18, 2013 at 7:50 PM

    After they won a million games in regular season. Lol

    How’s it feel to not get calls el capitan

  23. jpat2424 - May 18, 2013 at 8:11 PM

    Only call I had a problem with was Carcillos. Other then that, just normal playoff stuff. Hawks fan here.

  24. prd797 - May 18, 2013 at 8:18 PM

    Pretty pathetic from Toews there. As a Hawks fan, I’d be very quick to say that the Blackhawks were outplayed in every facet in Game 2. It would be far more mature to admit you laid a big fat goose egg (and didn’t get up to play Detroit today) than to complain about officiating.

    Detroit didn’t score on the power play and the Blackhawks didn’t (per the usual) score either, and that shows that the officiating was the least of Chicago’s problems. Toews has zero goals in 7 games, I’d at least hope he comes ready to score and make a greater contribution on Monday.

  25. cspuck7 - May 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM

    Uh oh…Somebody call the Whambulance…

  26. mnhockey24 - May 18, 2013 at 9:26 PM

    its hockey shut up and play

  27. mikemj - May 18, 2013 at 10:32 PM

    I’m not too happy to hear this type of complaining from my favorite NHL player. Hopefully he was just venting some frustration and this doesn’t become a habit.
    It’s true that the Red Wings do a lot of clutching and grabbing, it was very noticeable in game one, but I don’t see how you can fault them for that. They’ve been doing as much as they can get away with for years now and why shouldn’t they? If that’s how the refs are calling it it’s up to Toews and company to adjust their game.

  28. mj1818 - May 18, 2013 at 10:47 PM

    Ratings go up when Detroit does well. Jus sayin..

    • savardian - May 19, 2013 at 2:17 AM

      uh, No. Not really.Jus sayin.. Chicago is in the top 4 of every TV rating category, same as Pittsburgh. It seems the market loves teams with star players who skate and fill the net. Hmm? Detroit is a skilled team too, but their TV ratings are middle of the pack. How about those boring, defensive, sluggish teams, the Devils and Kings are in the bottom five of TV ratings- AND THEY played for the Cup last year. Sad. That is why the NHL is sixth-rate, behind even bicycle races in the ratings.

  29. Jackson Scofield - May 19, 2013 at 12:03 AM

    Think he’s just mad about being cross checked three times in from of the net so he could get back up after being taken down, plus every single game this happens, though it usually isn’t from the Hawks any more than any other team, probably too much attention being given to this.

  30. Jackson Scofield - May 19, 2013 at 12:05 AM

    Who says Toews didn’t mention being outplayed? This article just singles out this set of comments, it’s not about covering absolutely everything he said…

  31. bringbackthevipers - May 19, 2013 at 12:09 AM

    Ok Ovechkin. Did you not watch the game. Detroit got stomped in game one. Chicago got stomped in game two. Only difference is the Wings weren’t butt hurt. Hopefully this is a one time thing for Toews, I’ve had nothing but respect for him in the past. This has been a great series and a great postseason, but if I heard any more whining I’d think I was watching basketball.

  32. cspsrbums - May 19, 2013 at 1:56 AM

    Now all the other teams are combining about the Refs effecting the Playoffs, but when the Caps got screwed in games 3,4,and 6 that gave everything to the Rangers it’s the fans whining .

  33. savardian - May 19, 2013 at 2:07 AM

    1. Yes. Chicago got out-played at home. It happened in Game1 vs Vancouver in 2010 (5-0) yet the Hawks won the series and the Cup. It happens.
    2. Yes. Toews (Captain Serious) is widely and greatly respected and deservedly so. THAT IS WHY you should listen to him. Why is everyone sore about officiating? Maybe BECAUSE IT IS A FAIR COP?!?
    3. If you have watched as much as I have you will see Detroit is so good at systematically doing little obstructive things like hooks and grabs off the puck to negate their opponents speed. I believe Hossa knows how this is done and coached from the year he spent there. This is why Hossa takes dives against Detroit but not other opponents, but yes, he IS HOOKED! And since the 2005 lockout it is supposed to be zero tolerance.
    4. All this obstruction aids the slower, less-skilled team. (Detroit should know! Nashville is so good at doing it to them.) This makes the outcome more random so the best team, now frustrated and unused to this style, is less-likely to win.
    5. AND ALL THAT is why we friends are such a minority. Our game is frustrating and boring to the average fan. Last year (in the USA) the average NBA TV ratings were 4.2. Our NHL wasn’t even at a third of that at 1.37. Letting these hack teams obstruct the skilled teams isnt going to help that. I guess the idiots in Toronto are not interested in making more money. Or are they? WTF was that lockout all about?!?! Think about it.

  34. jpat2424 - May 19, 2013 at 9:46 AM

    We got outplayed and out hustled. Shut up a play. Jesus it’s like a bunch of whiny basketball players. Thought this was hockey.

  35. csilojohnson - May 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM

    Has anyone watched a football game in the last couple years? Ratings dont justify the garbage thats hit the field recently.
    One small.step.back from WWE.
    Put your money on the team with the most touching storyline going into Sunday. The NFL is very fortunate they are so trendy right now. They will learn when ratings plummet due to lack of competition on the field. No RB, no defense, no line play.
    I just hope they tank soon enough so the NHL realizes the error in trying to mock another leagues success.

    • savardian - May 20, 2013 at 1:19 AM

      Really? I’d like to see you present those ideas to the NHL businessmen in Toronto. I would respond to you with the FACTS: that 95% of NHL TV revenue is US based. And the NFL receive $20 Billion annually, $1.1 Billion (with a B) in TV revenue just from its 12 Thursday night TV games. That is not an example to follow? How about hockey? Last Sunday, an NHL playoff game featuring one their marquee players (Ovechkin) and the #1 media market in the USA (New York) was buried on CNBC while NBC put golf on its main network and a bicycle race (for Pete’s sake!) on its #2 NBCSN.

  36. soarl - May 19, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    The way I see it is that good teams win or lose by calls. Great teams win despite the calls.

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