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Sharks coach: It’s not going to help to ‘whine and moan’ about referees

May 17, 2013, 9:02 AM EDT

Todd McLellan

San Jose was up 3-2 and trying to kill a penalty with less than three minutes left in regulation time when Sharks defenseman Marc-Edouard Vlasic was charged with a delay of game penalty.

Vlasic and his teammates thought the puck hit Kings forward Jeff Carter before going into the stands, but the referees obviously disagreed.

That was the turning point of this contest and two power-play goals later, the Kings were the victors.

After the game, Sharks coach Todd McLellan was asked if he thought Vlasic’s penalty was the right call.

“You go back and look at it, it looks like it changed direction,” McLellan said in a CSN Bay Area report. “The one thing that I’ve learned, certainly through this playoffs, is it’s not going to do me any good to whine and moan and bitch about the referees.

“It’s not going to get us anywhere. We took some penalties, we needed to kill them, and we move on.”

The Sharks are down 2-0 in the series, but now they get to go back home where they were 17-2-5 in the regular season. Winning Game 3 will obviously be critic for the Sharks, but they seem upbeat under the circumstances.

“The one thing I like about our team, is maybe in the past this would have probably bothered our team a little more,” McLellan said. “But, with the group of guys we have, I think we can recover from this.”

If you want to see footage of Vlasic’s actions, here it is:

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  1. tfaltin - May 17, 2013 at 9:24 AM

    Take a note, Washington.

    • lostpuppysyndrome - May 17, 2013 at 1:48 PM

      You must be a Tortorella fan. Who was whining besides an emotional Ovechkin after a game 7 loss?

      • 19to77 - May 17, 2013 at 2:12 PM

        Ted Leonsis and George McPhee come readily to mind.

  2. sjsharks66 - May 17, 2013 at 9:52 AM

    It is true. It wont fix anything. In the heat of the moment though it really hurts us loyal fans to see that crap happen.

    Move on. Hope they make it 2-2 after the home games.

    • 22lakings22 - May 17, 2013 at 12:03 PM

      It should really hurt you” loyal fans” more that your team didn’t kill the penalties. Then, maybe that “crap” wouldn’t happen.

    • elvispocomo - May 17, 2013 at 2:01 PM

      Give it a game or two more on the losing end and see how you feel (and how some of the Sharks feel and react) about the calls then. In any event, leading coming into the final minutes and then having a penalty called you don’t like sounds familiar – except instead of just one goal to tie the game, the Sharks let two goals in and lost the game before it could even get to OT.

  3. surfoside4life - May 17, 2013 at 9:53 AM

    Oh god here we go again. Another bunch of complainers because they’re getting their asses handed to them by the Kings. Sounds all too familiar to last years playoffs where every team that played the Kings complained about the refs. NHL refs are probably the best refs in any sport. Just cause you guys suck doesn’t mean you can blame the refs.

    • dolanster - May 17, 2013 at 10:06 AM

      “NHL refs are probably the best refs in any sport.”

      I’m a Kings fan, but you just lost all cred with that statement.

      • surfoside4life - May 17, 2013 at 10:40 AM

        Please, enlighten me on a sport where you think the refs are better???

      • surfoside4life - May 17, 2013 at 10:41 AM

        You’ve probably been a kings fan since they won it last year. Come talk to me when you’ve been a hockey fan for 26 years

      • dolanster - May 17, 2013 at 11:26 AM

        I’ve lived in LA and been a Kings fan since 1980. I’m from Boston and grew up a Bruins fan after watching Orr play in person, so spare me. I’ve been a fan for 40+ years. You’re a baby in my world.

        Example: In the NFL there’s very little ego to officiating. They often pick up a flag when one ref throws it after they conference and another says, “I saw that cleanly, it was no foul.” This *never* happens in the NHL, and where one ref makes a poor call, the other seeks to ‘even it up’ and look for the next borderline call to make on the team with the powerplay — and this is not even secret, refs talk about it openly. This simply doesn’t happen in the NFL, and they’ll call 15 penalties in a row on a team committing them, without worrying about the crowd or the TV talking heads. In the NHL it’s somehow the refs job to keep it ‘even’ — regardless of whether that reflects what is happening on the ice or not.

        I’m glad the Kings won last night, but if I was a Sharks’ fan I’d feel jobbed.

      • imleftcoast - May 17, 2013 at 12:11 PM

        I’d agree that NFL officiating is better, and they do seem to need to be deciding games. First, that obviously was deflected and not a penalty. Second, the intent of the rule was to stop D-men from intentionally shooting it over the glass to stop play. Because the rule doesn’t allow for discretion, it’s now more about luck and a windfall for the team getting the powerplay. The rule as written is too far from its original purpose, and now just game deciding with luck, which seems bad for the game.

      • elvispocomo - May 17, 2013 at 2:06 PM

        No kidding, the officiating has been terrible all around this year, compounded by the supplemental discipline also raising a lot of questions. This call, whether tipped or not wasn’t the reason they lost though – and I think the angle was high enough that it’d have gone straight out regardless.

    • ron05342 - May 17, 2013 at 10:14 AM

      It doesn’t appear that the Sharks themselves are going to complain about the refs, but the fans are having a field day.

      It’s always the same from NoCal. Some big, bad team from L.A. steals their thunder and they feel like the neglected step-child. There is so much hate spewing from up there they can’t seem to see through their blind hatred that the Giants actually have won two World Series in the past three years and the Warriors went farther than both L.A. teams this year.


    • btlpper68 - May 17, 2013 at 10:47 AM

      Correction Jonathan qui I KICKIN our asses we have outshot u almost 2-1 created way more scoring chances and swiped u guys in the circle but u have to get the wins so it means nothing

  4. doubles22 - May 17, 2013 at 10:38 AM

    “It doesn’t do me any good to whine about the refs…” is right up there with these gems of statements these days:

    “To be honest with you…” You can be pretty sure what follows this statement is probably less than truthful.

    “With all due respect…”, which pretty much means, “Are you outside your mind? Here’s how it is…”

    “No offense, but…” Get your gloves up, here comes the right hook.

  5. finfan88shark - May 17, 2013 at 10:50 AM

    Lol, whining has always begun and ended in the drama capital of the world LA. The same clowns who whinnied whined about Ryane Clowe touching a puck from the bench. The same group of fair weathered clown fans who whined about getting jobbed in their previous Stanley cup appearance with the Great Gatsby? Only So Cal who could not even support an NFL team could state that about Giant and Shark fans. Those classy SoCa fans who beat up Bryan Stow and who arrive late and leave early yeah u keep talking. Lol

    • surfoside4life - May 17, 2013 at 10:52 AM

      you mad bro?? hahahaha get over it you nor cal loser.

    • surfoside4life - May 17, 2013 at 10:54 AM

      “The same clowns who whinnied whined about Ryane Clowe touching a puck from the bench.”
      Yes, because the Kings are the only team in the league that would complain about someone on the bench intentionally touching the puck. I question your intelligence level after reading your entire post

    • ron05342 - May 17, 2013 at 10:59 AM

      You literally sound like an incredibly immature 14-year-old boy who never leaves his bedroom.

      What an absolutely moronic post.

    • elvispocomo - May 17, 2013 at 2:12 PM

      I can’t believe I’m taking LA’s side here, but at least they’ve been to the finals (not to mention more than once and they’ve won as well). And the Clowe play? Jesus, that’s as bad a call as the Colorado offside by a mile that wasn’t called and resulted in a goal.

      But keep showing just how classy Sharks fans are (you and the others here are great representatives of your total fan base, way to be louder when you can’t be smarter) and deflect from yourselves while attacking others, and whining quite nicely in the process about how you aren’t going to whine.

  6. stefet - May 17, 2013 at 10:56 AM

    The refs clearly got it wrong! Coach Mclelland got it right with his statements post game! All these king fans shake their head at shark fans that are pissed..l what a bunch of self righteous punks! You d do the same damn thing if that call was reversed… If you say no, you’re lying to yourself! I don’t have a horse in this race, but these SoCal fans are even driving me nuts! Everyone from there thinks the rest of North America is jealous of SOcal? Not a chance…you can have your plastic , Botox women, smog and traffic all to yourself..thx

    • ron05342 - May 17, 2013 at 11:01 AM

      We don’t think you are jealous, we just believe you have self-esteem issues.

    • elvispocomo - May 17, 2013 at 2:18 PM

      You don’t have to look that far back to see how Canucks fans can be equally, if not more pissed. This probably would have gone out on it’s own, and I’m not even completely convinced it was deflected. But Sharks fans have short memories, so I shouldn’t be surprised they forget so easily how often they’ve choked in the playoffs or dove or had bad calls against them.

  7. surfoside4life - May 17, 2013 at 11:17 AM

    vlasic had the entire ice to clear the puck but for some reason he aims right at the crowd… its all on him. don’t complain anymore guppie fans

  8. stefet - May 17, 2013 at 11:22 AM

    Surfoside4life no offence here… As any fans opinion is as valid as the next….but having played the game at a high level, it’s a split second reactionary play. He’s a left handed shot, and carter is right infront of him. And the fact that even in video replay shows its a close call, the ref shouldn’t have put a team down 2 men when there was no way that the naked eye could’ve conclusively known for sure that the puck went directly out of play. These players on both sides battle too hard to have the refs have such a direct impact on the game. The first penalty, absolute valid call, but def not the 2nd. Let the players decide the outcome. And again this comes from a guy that played major junior in Canada, and has friends that currently play in NHL.

    • elvispocomo - May 17, 2013 at 2:23 PM

      Sure, and if you have to reach for it and it goes over the glass, you live with the call. Carter doesn’t help with some contact to his stick prior to Vlasic getting to it, but I’ve already said I’m not completely convinced it did deflect off of Carter. They can’t review it, so they have to go by their instinct at the time.

      The ref at center certainly did that for the boarding call on Sedin in the Canucks/Sharks series, and I think that was less cut and dry than this call. It ends up over the glass so the only question is was it tipped. They decided it wasn’t, so that means it’s a penalty.

  9. georgeeledan - May 17, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    Reblogged this on georgeeledan.

  10. dolanster - May 17, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    About 3000 words I pretty much agree with on the sorry state of NHL officiating and league discipline:

    • imleftcoast - May 17, 2013 at 12:20 PM

      Puck Daddy article is right on the mark. Lack of transparency and consistently inconsistent. It just gives real hockey fans (who get beyond the whining accusation) the impression that there is something unfair in the officiating. I don’t care what team is getting the bad call. I care about the integrity of the game, which means the best team wins – not on a technicality (deflected puck over the boards) or with the help of the officials.

  11. stefet - May 17, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    I agree leftcoast!

  12. sharksman - May 17, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    Bad call maybe but if you kill the 2nd pp it goes to ot and who knows what happens
    remember the last series bad call sharks score win series
    refs make bad calls and you have to kill the penalties end of story
    if couture clears the puck maybe things would have been different
    going back to the tank so take care of business at home and move on
    remember dan boyle putting one in his own net against the av’s ?
    sharks won that series after being down 2-1
    yes kings are better but the series isn’t over
    GO SHARKS !!

    • sharksman - May 17, 2013 at 2:34 PM

      kings are better than the Av’s , just thought I would clear that up so there is no confusion :)
      How many games were the kings down to the blues ?

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