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Torres will have disciplinary hearing for Stoll hit (Updated)

May 15, 2013, 12:56 PM EDT

San Jose Sharks forward Raffi Torres will be hearing from the NHL’s Department of Player Safety about his hit on Los Angeles’ Jarret Stoll, Sportsnet’s John Shannon reports.

UPDATE:

Torres is suspended pending the outcome of his in-person hearing, and is being considered for supplemental discipline for “an illegal check to the head.”

The hit, which occurred with less than a minute remaining in the second period of Game 1 between the Sharks and Kings, netted Torres a two-minute charging minor:

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After the game, San Jose head coach Todd McLellan disagreed with the call, saying Torres’ hit wasn’t illegal.

“Clean hit,” McLellan told ESPN’s Pierre LeBrun. “Wasn’t even a charging penalty, in my opinion.”

Stoll left the game after the hit and didn’t return for the third period.

Kings head coach Darryl Sutter offered no update on his condition following the contest — though by not saying what the issue was, he shed some light on the situation.

“You know what? I didn’t play Jarret in the third period, and he wasn’t resting, so that pretty well tells you, doesn’t it?” Sutter told LA Kings Insider.

As for Torres, he was of the same mindset as McLellan.

“I didn’t really think it was even going to be a penalty,” he said to CSN Bay Area. “They called it charging, I don’t think I launched myself. I took a step and a half, and glided into him.

“Obviously he was leaning over, and I still feel like I got a shoulder to his shoulder, and then it kind of looked because he was leaning over that I came up a little high. I didn’t even think it was going to be a penalty, but I hope he’s alright.”

Torres’ disciplinary history is well documented.

He was suspended 25 games (reduced to 21) for hitting Chicago’s Marian Hossa during last year’s playoffs and, prior to that, suspended for charging Minnesota’s Nate Prosser (two games) and elbowing Edmonton’s Jordan Eberle (four games).

UPDATE: TSN’s Darren Dreger reports Torres has been offered an in-person hearing, which traditionally means the suspension will be for five or more games — though, as Dreger notes, it doesn’t have to be more than five.

  1. jjregan21 - May 15, 2013 at 1:06 PM

    So with Shanahan’s consistency, it will be somewhere between no supplemental discipline and a 30 games?

    • bleedbluebaby - May 15, 2013 at 2:07 PM

      hahaha. You hit it right on the mark!

      • rudyromo - May 15, 2013 at 4:49 PM

        Shanahan???? What a clown. Take that ineffective, useless, classless NHL employee out of such a critical and important role. He might have been a decent player but he is a joke at this job.

      • badintent - May 16, 2013 at 3:44 AM

        @ rudyromo
        Shanahan =Stu Jackson of NBA . brutal duo. total IQ is 44.

  2. ironyisadeadscene - May 15, 2013 at 1:07 PM

    Sounds about right. Bourque got no meeting for a blatant elbow to the head of Conacher but this questionable hit deserves a meeting? (shoulder-to-shoulder or head-to-shoulder depending on who you cheer for) Shanahan sucks at his job.

    • freestyle1022 - May 15, 2013 at 1:33 PM

      No rooting interest here. That was a hockey play. Even given Torres’ history, you can still see he was just playing tough, and there was no intent of anything but shoulder to shoulder.

      As a Bruins fan, should Dion Phaneuf been suspended for his hit on Paille (he wasnt)? No. But was his high follow through worth a penalty. Probably.

      Same goes here.

      • ironyisadeadscene - May 15, 2013 at 1:56 PM

        Agree on both accounts

      • atwatercrushesokoye - May 15, 2013 at 4:57 PM

        This is low hanging fruit for Shanahan, Torres has a history so he can suspend him at will (even though this play wasnt that bad) without anyone getting that upset and look to the outside world like he’s being tough on questionable plays, meanwhile he ignores blatant stuff such as Letang cross checking a linesman after he clearly looks at him and identifies that it’s a linesman, the rule book is clear contacting an official is a 10 game suspension, but they had just announced Letang as a Norris finalist that day and probably didn’t want the media pointing that out, so instead they ignore it.

        Get rid of the NHL employee making these decisions and instead hire an impartial third party who GM’s aren’t allowed to call to plead their players case.

  3. burgh916 - May 15, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    The department of player safety is a sham. Shan the Sham. Ba-Dum-Tss.
    Anyways, this is such a joke anymore. It’s become quite clear that their entire disciplinary structure is based solely on injury. So many players have gotten away with malicious intent/contact (Hall for example,) all because the recipient wasn’t injured.
    What’s that showing the players? It’s going to get to the point that they’re better off making a big deal about possibly a small injury just to justify an “illegal play.” Hockey players are tough so I doubt that would happen, yet one could most definitely wonder.

    Also, fire Shanny. There needs to be a “round table” of multiple deciding factors for this, and not just one guy dishing out punishment. I swear there’s times where he doesn’t feel like working, so he does nothing about it.

    • rushfan3 - May 15, 2013 at 2:55 PM

      Shanny is a joke. He has his golden boys that he lets slide with disciplinary actions, and then he has his whipping boys. I haven’t really heard much of Raffi’s name this year aside from the Hossa hit, so I have to believe he pulled his act together to stop acting like he was the end all to be all.
      I have said to fire Shanny many of times, and this is no exception. He’s corrupted, and holds grudges from his own playing days. Bring someone in who has nothing to do with the sport and school them in what’s offensive and what isn’t. That’s the only way PSB is going to make themselves legit again.

      Or better still, bring in Dave “The Hammer” Schultz.

  4. lostpuppysyndrome - May 15, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    Wow, disciplinary hearing for a clean hit, eh? Bad calls get made every now and then by everybody but they seem to be the rule rather than the exception when it comes to suspensions and hearings. That includes missed calls as well. How did everyone miss the elbow AND kneeing attempt Brown made on Schwartz?

  5. ilikejay - May 15, 2013 at 1:20 PM

    Torres is a goon! He needs his head lopped when he is not looking, like he does to everyone else. Please LA have the honors! I hated him in Vancouver, hated him in Phoenix, hate him in San Jose. He’s a bum with an attitude that wears out his welcome at every stay. Notice his history of short stays. Hockey would be better off without him. I am sure every team out there cringes at the thought of playing him, knowing their star players are targets of season ending shots from him.

    • wingsdjy - May 15, 2013 at 2:10 PM

      After watching the first round, I tend to lean toward the argument that Torres has been reformed a la Matt Cooke. Yeah, he’s made some downright terrible decisions in the past, but his first round play this year showed a lot of promise. Hard play, clean hits, and surprising offensive output.

      In this case, I think he’s being punished (or at least investigated) based on past actions, not this particular incident. It looked brutal but clean to me.

      • alexbaymac - May 15, 2013 at 5:38 PM

        Raffi Torres Hits Jeret Stoll Reverse Angle -Western Conf. Semifinal 5.14.2013 - Created at yt2gif.com

        Here it’s pretty clear Torres may be gliding but straightens up to hit higher. Maybe he was aiming for the shoulder….maybe. Maybe not. Looks to me like intent to take someone out.

        Maybe he’s not a bad guy; maybe he just needs glasses!

    • ras1tafari - May 15, 2013 at 10:10 PM

      Agreed.

      Rafi Torres is a disgrace to the game of hockey. He is nothing more than a dirty piece of s–t. The sooner he his thrown out of the NHL, the better.

  6. sabatimus - May 15, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    Stoll had his head down, and Torres didn’t leave his feet as Torres’ shoulder hit him. I don’t think Torres did anything wrong, as loth as I am to say that. But, given Torres’ history, Shanahan will do….what, exactly? I have no idea, particularly given his absolute hypocrisy this postseason.

    • alexbaymac - May 15, 2013 at 5:42 PM

      Per the video posted in another related story here, the reverse angle shows clearly that Torres comes out of a partial crouch to full height before the hit. That’s why the hit was high. Intent? Who knows. But the ‘I was only gliding’ completely & deliberately understates his culpability.

  7. aldog83 - May 15, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    Sorry Torrez.

    Since you have a reputation for dirty hits you probably will get
    Suspended .

    No lady byng for you.

    Anyways at least its just sports.

    You get to go rest in your comfortable life. Not like your going to jail!

    Throw the book at him Shanny!

  8. spavs412 - May 15, 2013 at 1:25 PM

    How is this a charge/hearing and the ovi hit in gm 7 this week is nothing! What a joke

    • elvispocomo - May 15, 2013 at 2:59 PM

      I agree, that Ovi hit was not good at all, but then neither was the Brown elbow/knee and older hits like the Weber turnbuckle on Zetterberg. I’d like to see more consistency (in suspensions and officiating) regardless of injury, but that’s just not the case. It’s not limited to any specific teams, but we’ve definitely seen some major slants to go along with all the questionable calls (or lack thereof) that make it all the more apparent things need to be fixed.

  9. sjsharks66 - May 15, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    This is BS. The sharks bring torres in to add toughness and when he lays a clean hit, he might be suspended.

    • elvispocomo - May 15, 2013 at 2:26 PM

      What’s this, San Jose fans complaining about officiating and suspension talk?

      • sabatimus - May 15, 2013 at 4:40 PM

        This time, he’s actually correct.

      • elvispocomo - May 16, 2013 at 11:55 AM

        Oh, so thinking you have a valid point makes it ok to cry about it? Love the hypocrisy.

  10. sanjosecupcrazy - May 15, 2013 at 2:33 PM

    Hmmmmm….. large market LA team, small market San Jose team…..

    Guess who the NHL would like to see advance? Their credibility sucks.

    • elvispocomo - May 15, 2013 at 3:03 PM

      Because Torres did nothing (or at least very little) wrong and his absence is going to make or break that for you? Try having to kill off over 20 minutes more PP time for the opposition over 4 games and having to deal with the longest playoff suspension ever in the SCF and get back to us on how you feel slighted.

      • elvispocomo - May 15, 2013 at 3:46 PM

        Oh, sorry about that. I forgot San Jose has never been to the SCF. Must be a conspiracy so glad to see you guys are bringing it up.

    • sanjosecupcrazy - May 15, 2013 at 11:02 PM

      Elvis, you mad bro? Let me guess: you’re a douchebag Canucks fan. Just so you know, loser, I’m still enjoying the fact that we put the final dagger in your flaming carcas — that they’re going to blow your team up after we stuck it in you.

      You have a lot of time to be bitter right now, being that the Sedin sisters have been on the golf course for over a week. BOHICA: Bend over, here it comes again!

      • elvispocomo - May 16, 2013 at 12:02 PM

        Actually, if you were paying attention to any international news (I hate to say typical American so maybe I should limit it to the idiotic subsection of San Jose fans) but the Sedins are playing in the Worlds right now.

        And once again, San Jose – one of the worst teams around for choking, diving, and in general playoff losing – tries to call someone out for being a loser. I’m aware of the faults my team has, but clearly you aren’t when it comes to your own.

        Have fun with LA, at least the drive home will be short.

      • sanjosecupcrazy - May 16, 2013 at 9:35 PM

        Wow, the Worlds…. which are important in….. CANADA.

        Hey Canadian, am I supposed to think Moose Porn is cool too, just because you do? I’m sure the Sedin sisters would much rather be playing in the Worlds than playing in the second round. GREAT point on your part.

        And I continued to be AMAZED by the Vanloser Cannot fans calling the Sharks out for flopping. Do a search on YouTube for flopping and you get 10 million results, all of them of the Canucks and Vlade Divacs (he’s a basketball player, Canadian. Basketball is a sport where…. nevermind)

        Hey, I have to give you props though — at least you guys didn’t burn your city down this year. Can’t wait to see the dissection of your team over the summer. It’s going to be a longggggggggg road back, Cannot fan. Cannot wait to bend you over year after year in the new divisional format!

    • steeltuff - May 16, 2013 at 12:45 AM

      You sound a lot like Ovie. BTW, while San Jose is indeed a smaller market than L.A., it is the second largest city in the state . . . hardly a small market. It actually encompasses the entire Bay Area which includes over 8 million residents.

      • elvispocomo - May 16, 2013 at 11:59 AM

        Yup, and the San Jose fans are some of the best – at pointing out things they themselves are at least equally if not more guilty of.

  11. r4n6er - May 15, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    Sorry Torres, If Hansen can get suspended to jumping up to grab a puck your playoffs are done…

    • r4n6er - May 15, 2013 at 2:49 PM

      **for**

    • elvispocomo - May 15, 2013 at 3:05 PM

      Executions a little off, but I get your point.

  12. northstarnic - May 15, 2013 at 3:00 PM

    Haven’t seen the hit, but it’s Torres. That fact alone warrants a lengthy suspension. Serves the sharks right. Bring in a goon to try to avoid your annual playoff meltdown, suffer the consequences. (Pulling for LA only because they are facing Torres and the Snarks)

    • jjregan21 - May 15, 2013 at 3:50 PM

      You comment before seeing the hit? You’re opinion must be really valid!

    • sabatimus - May 15, 2013 at 4:44 PM

      This must be exactly the “logic” Shanahan is using: oh, it’s Torres again; it was a blow to the head; Torres has a long history; don’t care if the head contact was actually Stoll’s fault and Torres did nothing wrong. The idiot will probably suspend Torres for the rest of the semis.

      • manchestermiracle - May 16, 2013 at 12:29 PM

        Yeah, ’cause we all know Stoll threw his head at Torres’ shoulder and knocked himself out. Ignore those videos! They’re just trying to confuse you! Well, in your case it certainly worked…

  13. aventador12 - May 15, 2013 at 3:17 PM

    Not a fan of either team but I agree that was a good hit and a bad call. Unfortunately, they way they hand out punishments is sOOO inconsistent, I won’t be surprised if it goes against Torres.

  14. sjsharks66 - May 15, 2013 at 3:19 PM

    @elvis

    Yeah but your team earned all that. That was a cheap hit on Horton. Your team was given multiple 5 on 3 power plays in the WCF. This year they played undisciplined.

    I have no idea why you are here. No one likes the canucks and no one feels bad for the them. You just have a sour taste in your mouth that NBC Golf network cant get rid of.

    • elvispocomo - May 15, 2013 at 3:52 PM

      Haha, trying to hide your comments by not using the direct reply button. Nice try, and unfortunately for you it’ll be about the same result as every other spring in Sharks land – not being able to make it out of the West.

      Seriously, I’m all for you supporting your team, but making bipolar comments on two similar plays (one’s should be suspended but the league didn’t agree, one was clean when the league – again – didn’t agree) and saying no one likes a certain team nor feels bad for them isn’t really making you look great.

      But keep up the jokes about golf, diving, complaining and choking since their something you as a Sharks fan should be intimately aware of.

      • joelwrobinson - May 15, 2013 at 7:00 PM

        I’m a sharks fan 110% but sjsharks66 is a complete clown. Everything this guy says is stupid.

      • elvispocomo - May 16, 2013 at 12:10 PM

        Agreed, when he can’t even get his insults right (NBC Golf network? in Canada?!). But it sure is fun to give him a hard time when he clearly doesn’t have a clue.

        No worries, I’ve said in the past that I’m sure not all Sharks fans are this bad. Maybe even 110% sure.

    • chicagohawksfan66 - May 15, 2013 at 10:24 PM

      I think you have taken a few to many shots to your head buddy guy. You are proof that evolution CAN go in reverse. Bohica.

  15. 2qswing - May 15, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    just saw it for the first time. absolutely a clean hit with the shoulder. didn’t launch, didn’t hit the head, stick down. he was gliding not striding when he hit him. BUT his name is not Dustin Brown so we are looking a suspension

    • sabatimus - May 15, 2013 at 4:46 PM

      Torres did hit Stoll’s head. Too bad Stoll’s head was down around Torres’ arms.

      • manchestermiracle - May 16, 2013 at 12:33 PM

        Remind me never to ask either of you guys to act as witnesses to anything. Stoll was standing nearly straight up when Torres’ shoulder brushes his own and clocks him in the jaw. And what kind of a body check are you trying to deliver if you twist your body through the player you’re trying to hit? It looks just like a punch without any arm extension.

  16. buckeye044 - May 15, 2013 at 4:32 PM

    Incredible. Then again, LA is a bigger revenue generating market than SJ.

  17. pennerismyhomeboy - May 15, 2013 at 4:32 PM

    Torres does not belong on the ice. He is a dangerous douche.

    • yotesfan61 - May 15, 2013 at 4:48 PM

      Yea….And Dustin Brown is so much more of a “clean” player. GTFO

      • pennerismyhomeboy - May 15, 2013 at 5:59 PM

        yotes fan? ahhh it all comes together. tell me again how your team is doing in playoffs? have any fans this year?

  18. rrino - May 15, 2013 at 4:40 PM

    This was a good hard hockey play but unfortunately for Torres, his reputation is what made the call and possible suspension. I have no tolerance for the blatantly dirty/cheap hits that we see all too often.

  19. sprtsfan1 - May 15, 2013 at 7:53 PM

    I never would have said a SJ Sharks fan was as bad as a Coyote fan, but wow, I’m surprised. Torres is a piece if garbage and anyone who bring him on their team (Doug Wilson) knows exactly what they’re in for. There you have it, another bad hit, and get real, it was a bad hit with intent to injure just like he did against Hossa last year. Anyone who says different is a homer, and doesn’t have much respect for the game nor the players on the ice.

  20. sprtsfan1 - May 15, 2013 at 7:54 PM

    The guy obviously didn’t learn his lesson. Give him a year.

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