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Subban, Letang and Suter named Norris finalists

May 7, 2013, 10:51 AM EST

Eric Staal, P.K. Subban AP

Montreal’s PK Subban, Pittsburgh’s Kris Letang, and Minnesota’s Ryan Suter are the three finalists for the Norris Trophy, awarded “to the defense player who demonstrates throughout the season the greatest all-round ability in the position,” the NHL announced today.

After a prolonged contract negotiation, Subban had 38 points in 42 games. The 23-year-old’s 11 goals gave him the scoring title among defenseman, as his 11 were more than Letang’s five.

Letang, though, had 38 points in just 35 games, as the 26-year-old missed time with injuries.

Suter, meanwhile, finished with 32 points in 48 games, but nobody played more than the 28-year-old, who averaged 27:16 per contest.

Other defensemen that likely picked up votes include the usual suspects, Zdeno Chara, Drew Doughty, and Shea Weber.

Alex Pietrangelo, Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Francois Beauchemin, Duncan Keith, and Niklas Kronwall may have been on ballots, too.

Christian Ehrhoff was also getting some buzz in the advanced stats community.

  1. thesneakysalamander - May 7, 2013 at 10:58 AM

    Letang is a bit of a surprise due to how much time he missed. I wonder if this is foreshadowing Crosbys chances at being a Hart finalist?

    • Tyler - May 7, 2013 at 11:24 AM

      I’m a Pens fan. My vote goes to Suter. He had a rough start, but logged huge minutes down the stretch. Critics wanted to write him off since he wasn’t playing with Weber, but he proved them wrong.

      Letang had a good season, but he’s too much of a liability at times and also missed time due to injury.

      PK Subban is a punk with an attitude problem.

      OEL and Pietrangelo should have also been in the conversation. They had great years for their respective teams.

      • pdmjr - May 7, 2013 at 11:27 AM

        Suter plays on a team that holds and grabs

      • spiciercheez - May 7, 2013 at 11:36 AM

        Haha do you even watch hockey bud?

      • odj810 - May 7, 2013 at 12:02 PM

        How can you win the Norris trophy sporting a plus 2 on the season on a winning team? No way that can happen. I hate subban but i think he’s the choice for norris.

      • philly06 - May 7, 2013 at 3:29 PM

        Gotta say I agree with a pens fan for once. definately agree on all three and Suter definately showed everyone what he can do plus hes just the best overall defenseman. Thats what its about, not just points.

    • hockeywithdrawal - May 7, 2013 at 11:37 AM

      Not everything has to do with Crosby. Letang’s an excellent defenseman, and he’s got my vote. Suter is also more than deserving. Points aside (and if you take PP points away he’s not all that hot), if you’ve ever watched the Pens vs. Habs games, you notice the skill of Letang…you don’t notice Subban…those two d-men are not on the same level. Including PK is an insult to Beachemin.

      • greenmtnboy31 - May 7, 2013 at 1:32 PM

        The problem with that analysis is that it is just plain dumb to say you don’t notice Subban. When he’s on the ice, he’s practically the only player you do notice. Letang is a mediocre defenseman on a offensively loaded team, so he’s got an easy job and that’s really the only reason he’s even in this discussion. Letang does not have the skating, passing or puck handling skills that Subban dominates with.

      • jpelle82 - May 7, 2013 at 2:07 PM

        green is an adequate screenname if we are talking about your hockey knowledge….you havent ever watched letang before i guess. only karlsson rivals letang in skating and puck moving ability, subban isnt even close to their level. subban has a better slapshot and may play more physically but he also plays on the edge which tends to put him in the box more than karlsson or letang.

  2. pistolpete31 - May 7, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    Suter

    • ravenscaps48 - May 7, 2013 at 11:18 AM

      Agreed

  3. jakreidler - May 7, 2013 at 11:02 AM

    Suter.

  4. eigglesnosuperbowls - May 7, 2013 at 11:04 AM

    Its not even close subban in a landslide lock congrats pj

    • hockeywithdrawal - May 7, 2013 at 11:38 AM

      it’s pk, moron.

      • eigglesnosuperbowls - May 7, 2013 at 11:52 AM

        I know it is the pk stands for penguin killer you fell right into a right hand now whos the moron hahaha stupid yinzer

      • hockeywithdrawal - May 7, 2013 at 11:57 AM

        Drunk already this morning, eh? Your mother is now the moron.

      • eigglesnosuperbowls - May 7, 2013 at 12:03 PM

        Dont be mad because you got dropped little man you stepped up in class and got tagged hahaha stupid yinzer

      • eigglesnosuperbowls - May 7, 2013 at 7:47 PM

        See that nice clearing play by your norris trophy candidate that led to the flylanders first goal ?

    • greenmtnboy31 - May 7, 2013 at 1:34 PM

      hockeywithdrawal must have been hit hard. He doesn’t even know enough to shut up when he’s been tagged repeatedly. I guess that’s the definition of punch drunk.

      • eigglesnosuperbowls - May 7, 2013 at 4:52 PM

        Then after hw staggered to put his mouth piece back in his next shift up ice PK came in on him with that patented hip check to the body against the boards and boom woman noises came out of his body !

  5. sjsharks66 - May 7, 2013 at 11:05 AM

    Letang should win. Because he has missed a lot more games then the other two and he is still a finalist.

    Plus no one likes PK.

    • phillyphanatic77 - May 7, 2013 at 11:22 AM

      How very surprising that you’d pick Letang lol. If it’s about “all-around ability” then Letang should certainly be above Subban, IMO, bc he’s much better in his own zone. But my pick would be Suter. I know it’s not the same qualifications as the Hart, but the Wild would collapse without Suter. He’s the best defender of the 3, and he plays outrageous minutes.

      • jpelle82 - May 7, 2013 at 11:45 AM

        i would agree if he didnt start the season so poorly. he singlehandedly lost them games he was so bad. letang was above a point per game as a defenseman, had more goals, was a +16 compared to suter’s +2. letang had more hits than suter and less games too.

      • phillyphanatic77 - May 7, 2013 at 11:52 AM

        Yeah but +\- gives me more or an indication of the supporting cast. Have you looked at the Wild blueline? I mean the Pens blueline isn’t great but it’s certainly better than the Wild. And think about all the “+” you’d get playing with Crosby, Malkin, Neal, Kunitz, etc, etc. Suter may have struggled to start the year but he was also settling into a new city and learning a new system. It takes time to adjust, but when he did it’s hard to argue that he wasn’t the best all-around dman. I respect Letang a lot. I’d love to have him but I think Suter wins it.

      • odj810 - May 7, 2013 at 12:04 PM

        lets not pretend suter played on this god awful team here.

    • prideonice - May 7, 2013 at 12:55 PM

      I wouldn’t penalize Suter because he showed up to work on time and stayed healthy.

      • jpelle82 - May 7, 2013 at 2:26 PM

        he “showed up” on the wrong end of the highlight reel too many times

      • greatminnesotasportsmind - May 7, 2013 at 5:07 PM

        Jpelle,

        That tends to happen when you lead the nhl in ice time.

  6. dropthepuckeh - May 7, 2013 at 11:09 AM

    Did I miss the memo that they changed the Norris from best defenseman to best forward who plays defense? Subban and Letang are hardly feared or respected shutdown defenseman. Neither is/was Karlsson. All great players but not my definition of great defenseman. When did this go off course?

    • steelpenbucs87 - May 7, 2013 at 11:20 AM

      When people got used to seeing Lidstrom win it with a ton of points (despite the fact that he was also the best defensive defensemen as well during that time most years).

      • dropthepuckeh - May 7, 2013 at 11:23 AM

        He scored a ton of points but his defensive abilities were never a question. Same with Bourque when he won it. Take care of your own end first. These guys are thinking offense first.

    • gsr1191 - May 7, 2013 at 11:21 AM

      as i pens fan i agree with this. Although it would be nice to see Letang win it, this award has seems to become the “best offensive defensmen” award over the last 10 years or so. I was having a conversation about this the other day with a friend of mine and we concluded that they almost need to separate this into two awards. one for the best offensive defensemen and one for the best defensive defensman. To not have a guy like Chara in here is ridiculous. It also go back to Mike Green being the favorite a few years back because he scored so many goals, didnt matter that he was/is a complete and utter liability in his own zone.

    • hockeywithdrawal - May 7, 2013 at 11:56 AM

      I agree that this trophy shouldn’t turn into an Art Ross for D-men, but I think there’s two sides to that. Letang is very good defensively. He hits everything that moves. For the Pens, Orpik will scare the sh*t out of you, and is a shut down D-man…so is Murray…but I wouldn’t nominate either one of them.

      I think the defensive position just entails more than hitting and poke-checking. You can be the best at that, but if you can’t get the puck up-ice you’re screwed. There’s more to this award than points, but in today’s game you can’t overlook the offensive side of it when you look at “best all-around” defenseman.

      • greenmtnboy31 - May 7, 2013 at 1:37 PM

        And we all know that no one gets the puck up-ice like this year’s Norris Trophy winner – PK SUBBAN!!!!!!!!!!!! The best part is that he often does this after forcefully taking the puck from some guy he’s just crushed coming across the blueline.

    • JoeAvg - May 7, 2013 at 1:29 PM

      With a guy named Bobby Orr and I wouldn’t call him “off Course”.

  7. supercoop8 - May 7, 2013 at 11:12 AM

    Is there any site that records primary assists and secondary assists?

    • pdmjr - May 7, 2013 at 11:25 AM

      They are both assists so what?

      • supercoop8 - May 7, 2013 at 11:39 AM

        With all the the advanced stats being looked at for defenseman like time on ice against top lines versus other lines it would be interesting to see a better break down of offensive contributions for an award that trends toward celebrating points over solid defensive play. With Letang and Subban tied in points I would find it relevant in comparing the two though my vote for Norris would go to Suter.

  8. pitpenguinsrulez - May 7, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    Letang should win it but that’s because of my Pittsburgh bias but PK will probably win it because he has more goals. If Letang doesn’t miss time than he wins it pretty much same with Crosby for the Art Ross/MVP. This should be close I think

  9. steelpenbucs87 - May 7, 2013 at 11:19 AM

    It’s about time to have two awards – one for best offensive defensemen and one for best defensive defensemen (like a Selke for Defensemen).

    Guys like Letang and Subban could contend for, oh I don’t know, “The Bobby Orr Trophy” for “the Defenseman adjudged to bring the most offenisve prowess blah blah blah” and then have the Norris for guys like Suter and Beauchemin.

    In today’s game where “puck-moving” and “stay at home” defensemen are BOTH integral to a team’s success, its time that they both be recognized. Unfortunately the Norris has begun to turn into the best offensive defenseman.

    My Ballot: Sutter – Letang – Subban

    • 19to77 - May 7, 2013 at 11:28 AM

      Seems like it’s a necessary step for defensemen who actually play D to be recognized for their work these days.

      Anyway, on the grounds of actually doing the job a defenseman is supposed to do, Suter’s got the best claim by far. Letang’s solid all-around, but he isn’t logging 27+ minutes a night against everyone’s top lines. And Subban’s definitely not doing that.

      • hockeywithdrawal - May 7, 2013 at 12:36 PM

        He’s logging 25:38, though…and yeah, he is playing against everyone’s top lines. You also have to be careful to not look at ONE stat, like time on ice. That time on ice has led to a -2 rating. It’s what you do with that time.

        I think Suter can win it, I just see a lot of arguments that aren’t making sense to me.

    • hockeywithdrawal - May 7, 2013 at 12:32 PM

      Not sure that I agree that Letang and Suter are all that different. I wouldn’t be opposed to there being two different trophies, but I don’t think the “guys like”…makes much sense. If you are comparing Letang and Doughty, ok then.

      • steelpenbucs87 - May 7, 2013 at 12:46 PM

        Remember for over half the season Letang was not playing against the #1 units of the opposition consistently – that fell to the Orpik Martin pairing. Suter has been the top D-Line for Minny all year.

      • jpelle82 - May 7, 2013 at 2:31 PM

        and his +/- rating reflects that i guess

  10. btlpper68 - May 7, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    Yandle had a great yr either way subban will win

  11. pdmjr - May 7, 2013 at 11:29 AM

    Easily Letang, more points better +/- played in 13 fewer games or his stats would be off the charts.

    Subban is brutal but dirty

    Suter?? Why is he even a finalist? -2

    • steelpenbucs87 - May 7, 2013 at 11:36 AM

      I’ve said this on these boards before and I’m going to continue to do it – be very careful about using the +/- statistic. More often than not it is not indicative of the actual play of a player.

      So much goes into whether or not you get +’s and -‘s: starting ice zone (are you starting most of your shifts in the offensive or defensive zones?), quality of competition (do you HAVE to match up against the opponents best lines night in and night out), quality of teammates (Suter was playing with a 19 year old this year for goodness sake), time on the powerplay and the PK, etc. etc.

      Suter started a little slow, but had a phenomenal year – deserves to be a finalist and possibly win the darn thing.

      • jpelle82 - May 7, 2013 at 3:00 PM

        those things are subjective arguments that i’ve heard forever but the stat is still around and its still a good barometer for how players play. of course the best will play against the best – thats what they are paid to do. everyone plays everyone throughout the year, some fare better than others. it isnt a competition for who can make up the most excuses, its a trophy for elite players who are in these matchups night in and night out and excel. +/- is the best stat to gauge defensemen. the numbers level out, if you’re playing a weak team you should walk out of there with at least an even rating as a defensman, if you’re facing a tougher team you should be glad to come away even. the next night it might even it out again. the pp and pk have nothing to do with +/- too by the way. when you have a good +/- it means you are winning games and contributing the way you should in games you should. if you are getting a -3 in any game, its gut check time if you are on the top pairing. granted +17 is inflated and indicates an offensive minded defenseman but no finalist should be minus if they want to win this trophy.

      • steelpenbucs87 - May 7, 2013 at 3:15 PM

        You are out of your mind if you think that a guy like Letang’s +/- rating was not significantly inflated by playing on a team with the forwards that the Pens had night-in and night-out. If you put Suter behind that line up for a season his +/- would soar as well.

        I didn’t say that any of these guys were undeserving – quite the contrary actually. I just think that the +/- statistic tends to be misleading when trying to discern the “overall” play of a single player.

    • wowzer55 - May 7, 2013 at 3:04 PM

      I’ll probably get savaged for pointing this out but I’ll do it anyway, Suter finished +2. Like steelpen pointed out, it’s not the best stat to base anything off of. Since you are using +/- though, Suter finished +2 on a team that finished -7. Letang and Subban finished +16 & +12 on teams that finished +23 & +22, respectively. Suter should win it but he won’t. My guess is Subban will take it though.

      • greatminnesotasportsmind - May 7, 2013 at 5:11 PM

        Suter was also a -16 at the beginning of the season if I remember

  12. bgrillz - May 7, 2013 at 11:34 AM

    Letang is solid, and had he played a few more games I would give it to him. But I would give this to Suter. His production in anemic scoring team, as well as ice time is what sells it for me.

  13. Stiller43 - May 7, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    Im not going to pretend to know how they all stack up as strictly defensive players, but it would seem to be 38 points in 35 games beats 38 in 42 and whatever suter had (im on the app and its annoying to go back).

    Of course i will be wearing my #58 tonight, so I may be a bit biased towards Letang…

  14. tfaltin - May 7, 2013 at 11:39 AM

    I’m torn between Suter and Letang, but I think I’ll lean Suter because he was the one constant on the backend for the Wild, and was an absolute workhorse to get them into the playoffs. When PK stops being an acronym for Punk Kid maybe he’ll warrant a bit more consideration.

  15. nakrohtap - May 7, 2013 at 11:40 AM

    Kronwall may have been on ballots? Why? I’m a Wings fan, but he is not even the best defenseman on the team, let alone in discussion for best in the league. I’ve seen way too many bad passes to the other team in our zone, never mind the fact that he has shot many opportunities in the foot by failing to keep the puck in the offensive zone at the point.

  16. mclovinhockey - May 7, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    @dropthepuck, agreed. These are 3 great D, but the award is actually for best defensive player.
    If I am not mistaken, back in the day it was even given to forwards if they were the best defensive player in the league.

  17. hockeywithdrawal - May 7, 2013 at 11:46 AM

    I’m going with Letang, but I’m actually surprised he was nominated – part of that is my bias from watching him play game after game. He’s an outstanding defenseman – not only offensively, but defensively as well. Take away PK’s points on the PP, he’s got squat. And this isn’t a point race. He isn’t bad defensively, but not an award winner. He’s also a dirty, spastic idiot.

    Suter is an obvious choice also…amazing year, amazing minutes, and a lot of the Letang/Suter comparison comes down to team. Can’t go by +/-, that’s for sure, and it’s hard to compare even points when Letang’s passing the puck up to Crosby and Malkin and Suter, well…isn’t. But both are on playoff teams, the Wild aren’t horrible either.

    Very surprised Beauchemin wasn’t in. But I’d rather see him, Letang, and Suter, and that wasn’t going to happen with PK winning the scoring.

  18. greatminnesotasportsmind - May 7, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    To think everyone was tripping out the first part of the season because Suter got off to a bad start.

    #suter4norris

    • lostpuppysyndrome - May 7, 2013 at 12:20 PM

      #SUTERFORNORRIS YEEEEAAAH BABY.

  19. thickbroth - May 7, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    suters overrated

  20. myroncopesflask - May 7, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    I would give it to Letang or Suter as they are the only finalists that actually can play defense. I’m biased as a Pens fan and think Letang should get it. I don’t care what any of the talking heads say about Sid and Geno but Letang is without a doubt the most important player on the Pens. You take Crosby, Malkin, or any other player away the Pens keep playing lights out. When Letang is out of the lineup( which is often this year) the Pens are a completely different team. Suter is a stud shut down D-man and would not have a problem with him winning the award as it is for best defenseive player.

  21. nykingsfan1963 - May 7, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    Drew Doughty is the best all around defenseman in the NHL. He gets no press because he plays out west, but if you watch him every night, you realize just how amazing he is. The only time people get to hear is name or watch him is when he’s playing in the finals. that’s too bad because you don’t know what you’re missing.
    He is a special kind of player.

  22. shoobiedoobin - May 7, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    I miss the days when you had to be at least positionally sound before winning this award. Points were once secondary. The day Erik Karlsson won the Norris while being protected from critical by his own coach (who admitted it), is the day the Norris died. Pronger, Lidstrom, Neidermayer, Blake, Chelios, Bourque, they all were DEFENSEMEN first, point scorers second. None of these nominees can hold a candle to guys like them in their own zone.

    Replace Suter with Weber first off. Suter is way too prone to losing his assignment. He got lazy quite a bit and let his man go to the net while he got caught gawking at the puck carrier. And he was a minus until Colorado laid down and gift wrapped him a +2 to go to +2 on the year. And this isn’t the same as the year Lidstrom won when he was amazing and his team around him killed him. Suter just loses his guy way too much. Weber, even though I think he’s a little overrated, was way better with less talent.

    Replace Letang with Chara. Chara had a point every other game, a +14 and didn’t have the luxury of picking up secondary assists by passing to a stacked offense. He can also, you know, play amazing defense while Letang is good but not great. Put it this way-if Letang scored 19 points would he even sniff this award? Think about it.

    Subban I can agree with. He’s a liability in some ways (assignments, quick decisions) but great in others (retrieving pucks in corners and finding open guys, an incredibly hard thing to do). But someone like Duncan Keith is almost as good offensively, but way better defensively. Doughty too. Even Nik Kronwall or Ekman-Larsson. It’s sad that a little bit of a bigger point total will outshine a little bit more defensive skill.

    • shoobiedoobin - May 7, 2013 at 12:25 PM

      Critical situations*

    • lostpuppysyndrome - May 7, 2013 at 12:38 PM

      I love Suter and think he was worth every penny, but he didn’t start to shine until Brodin came into his own. Yet another reason Brodin was snubbed for the Calder.

    • hockeywithdrawal - May 7, 2013 at 12:43 PM

      I disagree with pretty much everything you said. Chara’s Bruins aren’t doing too bad are they? But Letang should be out….because Chara isn’t passing to anyone good on offense. Laughable.

      There’s an underlying bias. You want big, rough, hitters. I don’t disagree that a team needs that. And Chara has had some good seasons. Best all around? No. Biggest does not equal best. Not all that proficient at getting the puck up the ice, and slower and slower as he gets older.

      Weber for Suter? You might be the only one that missed the struggles of Weber when Suter left. The similarity to Chara…Weber’s bigger, and hits harder. Not to be awarded with a trophy.

      Won’t even comment on Subban, you’ve gone against your own point. You’re claiming he’s a liability, but sure let’s give him an award as best d-man. Sure.

      • shoobiedoobin - May 7, 2013 at 1:03 PM

        Why is it laughable? It’s a fact. Letang grabs easy assists from Crosby, Malkin, Neal, Kunitz, Dupuis, etc. Chara has a team where the best forwards were what, Marchand and Krejci? LOL. I’m just saying that should negate this magical point tital BS. Chara plays lock down D. Letang exists in his own end and…..that’s about it. But he scores! Psshh gimme a break. THAT’S laughable.

        When did I say I wanted big rough hitters? Quote me please. You based your whole post on that and I never said it. In fact I brought up players who didn’t hit as much as others including the best defenseman you’ve ever seen, who never hit anyone.

        And Subban, in some ways is a liability (don’t cherry pick kid, quote me fully), but compared to the other two, he should win. But if we’re nominating Chara or Doughty or Keith or Weber, Subban wins nothing.

        Less straw men next time.

      • greenmtnboy31 - May 7, 2013 at 1:06 PM

        Chara sucks. He’s slow and can’t keep up with the speed. End of story, period.

      • jpelle82 - May 7, 2013 at 3:12 PM

        chara plays with marchand, bergeron, seguin – and sometimes a guy that has over 600 goals too. chara plays with bergeron is enough said, bergeron can carry chara to a +1 any night with his defensive ability making up for chara’s lack of speed.

    • greatminnesotasportsmind - May 7, 2013 at 5:23 PM

      Replace Suter with Weber?

      Suter plays in a big game 4 tonight, meanwhile, Weber has dropped his handicap in golf by one shot in the past week or so.

      Suter has more assists and more points than Weber did in the regular season

      Suter had a better +/- than Weber did

      Suter also took less PIM than Weber did

      Suter scored just as many PP goals as Weber did

      Suter lead the nhl in ice time, Weber did not

      • shoobiedoobin - May 7, 2013 at 5:40 PM

        I don’t care that Suter played deeper. His TEAM played deeper. This point is 100% completely indisputably irrelevant. Playoffs don’t factor in, and Weber outplayed Suter.

        4 points difference is also completely irrelevant. It just means that Suter picked up a mere extra point every 12 games.

        A 2 different in +/- also means absolutely nothing especially considering the teams they both had to play with, and the fact that Suter had a -2 until Colorado gift wrapped a +2 the last 40 min of the season.

        No one’s ever cared about PIM when voting. Not unless it was with Lidstrom and something relevant to talk about.

        Minutes is relevant, kinda sorta (plenty of mediocre defenders play big minutes). Minutes is a coaching thing, I’m not going to applaud too hard when a guy plays an extra 90 seconds a game over the course of 60 minutes because someone told him to. What’s that, a couple of shifts? Again, nothing to consider relevant. If the difference was 3-4 min maybe, but 90 seconds? Quit reaching man.

        Weber’s defensive play, his assignment coverage, his puck retrieval, his range, physicality and lock down defense negates a laughable +2 difference or 4 point differential. The only thing up for debate is exactly to what degree you internet generation fans have taken stat pages as opposed to using your eyes.

        Suter routinely lost his assignments, got caught out of position and needed a map in his own end 3/4 of the season. Weber was a one man island much of the year and looked great. He had less points but who wouldn’t with that team? The fact he came within 4 is amazing considering who Suter had to pass to.

  23. ironyisadeadscene - May 7, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    I hate Subban with a passion but he should win since the Norris is more about offensive stats than defensive (see Karlsson)

  24. govtminion - May 7, 2013 at 1:05 PM

    Between last year and this year, I apparently just don’t see ‘best defenseman’ the way the NHL does. Because it sure wouldn’t have been Karlsson last year, and it wouldn’t be any of these guys this year. Best defenseman, to me, means best at playing defense, not ‘best guy on the blue line who thinks he’s an extra winger’.

    Letang missed a ton of time, Suter was awful the first half of the season, and PK seems to spend more time diving and jawing than actually playing his position (Ottawa would probably agree right now!). Do I have to pick one of these people over someone like Keith Yandle? Very disappointing.

    • shoobiedoobin - May 7, 2013 at 1:09 PM

      Exactly man, exactly.

      It’s more about points now. You literally don’t have to be good at defense anymore, at all (Karlsson, Letang, Green).

    • greenmtnboy31 - May 7, 2013 at 1:28 PM

      Keith Yandle would be a good pick for you. You could talk about it on the short bus on the way to school.

    • greenmtnboy31 - May 8, 2013 at 9:36 AM

      Govt, are you suggesting that Orr hand back his Norris trophies? He wasn’t always the best defenseman, but he definitely thought he was an extra winger. All this yapping about how it’s suddenly all about offense makes it pretty clear that those people have no clue what they are yapping about.

  25. greenmtnboy31 - May 7, 2013 at 1:05 PM

    It really doesn’t appear to be much of a contest this year. The only question is whether it will be unanimous for Subban or whether Suter will grab a few votes. Neither of the other two can skate at the level Subban has shown and his bone crunching hits are way beyond these other guys from a defensive perspective. Marchand, Neil and a few others will NEVER skate into the Montreal zone with their head down again, unless they like being hit by a train. Neither Letang or Suter have the physical defensive game that Subban possesses.

    The nice surprise from PK this year has been his scoring touch. An added bonus. His outstanding D creates his offensive punch. He has really risen to the top this year and this award will be a nice recognition for that progress.

  26. cspsrbums - May 7, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    The best Offensive defensive player would be Green I may be wrong but isn’t he leading in goals for a defensmen

    • greenmtnboy31 - May 7, 2013 at 4:07 PM

      You are wrong. The best offensive defensive player would be the guy leading in points, not just goals. Assists are huge for a defenseman setting up the clear or the rush up the ice with great passes such as Subban makes constantly. The guy who consistently shuts the other team down at the blueline with crushing hits…

      …and then turns the puck up ice with a great breakout pass and picking up an assist on the play.

      It is often said the best offense is a good defense and when you have someone as obviously dominant as one of these guys; it becomes an easy choice.

      PK Subban leads all defensemen in points, power play goals and takeaways. I imagine he leads all defensemen with crushing hits on opponents as well. His plus/minus is very respectable when you consider he doesn’t benefit from playing on a team with a lot of firepower like Pittsburgh who led the league in goals scored. Letang benefits from something he hardly contributes to.

  27. colossal87 - May 7, 2013 at 3:11 PM

    Everyone knos that handsome Letang will win, nobody wants to see the Norris dripping with bbq sauce…

  28. letsgopens8771 - May 7, 2013 at 4:59 PM

    YEAH!!! TANGER!!! They will need a separate trophy for his hair if he wins. Best of luck, Letang!

    GO PENS!!!

  29. spavs412 - May 7, 2013 at 5:05 PM

    So many ppl on here have no clue about the min letang plays against the oppositions top line. He’s solid on the backend and really great for the breakout.. Not to mention how many times he comes flying back to break up a breakaway or 2 on 1…

  30. yondo123 - May 7, 2013 at 5:10 PM

    Karlsson still gets my vote.

  31. thedavesiknowiknow - May 7, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    Subban. Not even debatable.

  32. thedudeabides422 - May 7, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    Dropthepuck didn’t miss a memo… You missed two decades of hockey. Did ya ever hear of Coffee, Leetch, or McInnis?

  33. greenmtnboy31 - May 8, 2013 at 9:30 AM

    I imagine that all you racists and haters took note of the beautiful play and goal scored by this year’s Norris Trophy winner, PK Subban, last night. That’s not a goal you’ll see coming off of Letang or Suter’s stick. Sorry, it’s just the way it is. Subban has it hands down; not much of a contest for Norris this year.

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