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Now the Leafs and Bruins are arguing about faceoffs

May 7, 2013, 3:58 PM EDT


A predominant theme has emerged in the early part of the Stanley Cup playoffs:


More specifically, cheating on faceoffs.

The topic has already arisen in the Vancouver-San Jose and Chicago-Minnesota series and is now making waves in Toronto-Boston — the Bruins have dominated throughout the series, but Game 3 was their most dominant effort yet.

Boston won 60 percent of its draws and 71 percent in the defensive zone, results that Leafs head coach Randy Carlyle questioned.

“Specifically when you’re at home, you think that you would be afforded some of the staples of the opposition having to be down first and stop,” Carlyle told TSN, regarding the number of times his centers were waved out.

“In our review, there was some things that were going on out there that we don’t agree with.”

Boston head coach Claude Julien’s response?

“It’s going to be interesting to see whether the referees and the linesmen just do their job and not worry about who’s crying wolf.”

Faceoffs have been a major source of controversy not just this playoff, but during the regular season as well.

At the start of 2013, the NHL implemented a new rule preventing faceoff participants from batting the puck with their hand in an attempt to win the draw.

Any player caught doing so would be given a two-minute delay of game minor.

In the postseason, a new issue has arisen — players getting tossed out.

Toronto’s Tyler Bozak was booted from a number of draws during Game 3 (when he asked why, Bozak was told he wasn’t coming to a complete stop before the puck was dropped) and Minnesota captain Mikko Koivu got a “stern talking-to from linesmen a handful of times,” during Sunday’s win over Chicago.

“It seemed like just from watching, when Bozie was coming down [with his stick], they were starting to come up and he was trying to counteract that and he was getting tossed,” Toronto’s Jay McClement explained. “It’s tough when you’re getting tossed all the time.

“It’s tough to cheat the way you normally do and time it because then you just get tossed more and more.”

  1. hockeywithdrawal - May 7, 2013 at 4:01 PM

    “It’s going to be interesting to see whether the referees and the linesmen just do their job and not worry about who’s crying wolf.”

    hahahah because Julien ALWAYS follows that advice!

  2. sjsharks66 - May 7, 2013 at 4:11 PM

    So cheat back!

  3. Stiller43 - May 7, 2013 at 4:11 PM

    Arguing? By that picture, it looks like theyre kissing and making up.

  4. 19to77 - May 7, 2013 at 4:15 PM

    With so many coaches and players complaining about how faceoffs are handled, I’m starting to wonder if they might actually have a point. Are the linesmen doing things differently this postseason? I didn’t hear a peep of this last year, and this time it’s, what, five or six different teams bringing it up?

  5. The Hockey Fan - May 7, 2013 at 4:16 PM

    They’re just some of the best faceoff guys in the league.(bruins) It doesn’t win them the game though.

  6. mpops86 - May 7, 2013 at 4:22 PM

    Toronto accused Clay Buchholz of cheating, now they accuse the best faceoff team in the league of cheating.

    They know that professionals are on the ice whose job it is to decide who’s cheating, right? Carlyle should be more concerned with his team’s awful turnovers than faceoffs.

  7. dropthepuckeh - May 7, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    So Vancouver and Toronto are upset because they think the refs are unfair with the face-offs and Montreal just thinks every call against them is unfair and people hate them (they do). Is Ottawa the only team north of the border that has a pair?? Eliminate these jesters, the faster the better.

  8. stratomaticfan - May 7, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    B’s were best in league in faceoffs. Bergeron best in business. Leafs middle of road. why is it shocking that Bruins have had edge? And whining about getting tossed? Bergy got tossed 3 or 4 times himself. Much ado about nothing.

  9. nosefacekillah - May 7, 2013 at 4:43 PM

    If this is what Carlyle is worried about it will be a short postseason for the Leafs.

  10. drewsylvania - May 7, 2013 at 4:47 PM

    Serious question: Do Canadian NHL teams complain more than their U.S. counterparts? It’s sure been that way in these playoffs.

    • 19to77 - May 7, 2013 at 5:34 PM

      It has nothing to do with nationality. As usual, it’s just the occasional whiner on any team. Most of the Bruins’ best players (Chara excepted) are Canadian – as is their coach.

      • drewsylvania - May 7, 2013 at 5:47 PM

        I mean NHL teams based in Canada. Not Canadians.

      • 19to77 - May 7, 2013 at 6:12 PM

        It’s an irrelevant distinction. The Canadian teams are as mixed as the American ones. Nationality can’t be played into this, no matter how hard anyone tries.

      • drewsylvania - May 7, 2013 at 6:27 PM

        Do me a favor and read what I’m saying, please.



      • 19to77 - May 7, 2013 at 7:06 PM

        Scroll down before you have your next tantrum, dear.

    • 19to77 - May 7, 2013 at 6:15 PM

      I should clarify: I mean that a team’s location doesn’t play into things. With the membership as mixed as it tends to be on all rosters, it doesn’t make sense that where a team is geographically would factor into how they comment on the game.

      • drewsylvania - May 7, 2013 at 6:28 PM

        I didn’t ask whether it made sense, I asked whether it happens more often.

    • mp1131211 - May 7, 2013 at 6:28 PM

      This is a great point because clearly the Habs haven’t been whining at all.

      • chicagobtech - May 7, 2013 at 9:21 PM

        Habs are quiet because they’re winning. It’s probably as simple as that.

      • mp1131211 - May 7, 2013 at 11:04 PM


  11. scalfor3 - May 7, 2013 at 4:59 PM

    Bergeron and Krejci are both beasts on the faceoffs. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Toronto

  12. valoisjoeybfeld69 - May 7, 2013 at 5:01 PM

    Another whiner.

  13. thehighcountrybear - May 7, 2013 at 5:25 PM


    Whining has long been a cherished Canadian institution…

    It’s starts with question period in the House of Commons as we hear pasty-faced pencil-neck sons of the great American republican whore attempt to lie and slime their way out of massive multi-billion dollar pork-barreling government boondoggles [ this while calling anyone who exposes their fraud-ridden mess aTrotskyite ]…

    Then it continues in the evening when we have to suffer through what passes for the loftiest of American culture values represented in imported American television programming featuring the soul-polluting reality shlock and brain-dead violence piloting America’s youth into its pre-ordained and bloody future…

    Then it ends while watching the remarkably civilized and journalistically pure CBC describe how a band of Wall Street bandits systematically pillaged personal, corporate and national treasuries while being neatly excused by a weak-kneed president more bent on assassinating people around the world using drones and goose-stepping into the role as the world’s global policeman [ manifest destiny riding the shoulders of the continuing decline of the American Empire, wot ]…

    Yeah, so we whine, what of it…

    • 19to77 - May 7, 2013 at 5:35 PM

      Can I buy some of whatever you trip on before posting here?

  14. giantssb42champs - May 7, 2013 at 5:33 PM

    A team from New England cheat? Why, I never!

    • drewsylvania - May 7, 2013 at 6:29 PM

      It’s 2013–how come we’re getting old posts?

  15. sabatimus - May 7, 2013 at 5:48 PM

    I’d say that Bozak encroached well over the red dot on at least 75% of his faceoffs. And he wonders why he’s getting tossed out.

  16. 8man - May 7, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    At least they’ve stopped talking about the signs in the stands. Sounds like Carlyle is working the league and the refs for any edge he can get. Wednesday night is probably a must win for the Leafs given their recent history against the Bruins. I don’t think they want to be down 3-1 with two of three left to play in Boston.

    And speaking of 3-1, by tomorrow night the Habs could be in a big hole and Eastern Conference Playoffs looking very different than anticipated.

  17. thehighcountrybear - May 7, 2013 at 9:14 PM


    Have to give you credit girl…your knack for the pedantic, the unoriginal, and the repetitive is worthy of recognition?

    Are you the same mindless bore away from your keyboard one is left to ask…

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