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Discuss: Senators thump Habs in violent Game 3

May 5, 2013, 9:58 PM EDT

Game 3 between the Montreal Canadiens and Ottawa Senators series lived up to expectations by being a heated, physical affair. It didn’t really remain competitive to the end on Sunday, though, as the Habs unraveled and the Sens bombarded them to win 6-1 and take a 2-1 series lead.

Let’s get to the talking points.

  • The biggest winner of this series so far: area dentists. PG Pageau accomplished the rare feat of scoring a goal, losing a tooth and drawing a penalty. Should we call it a Pageau trick? (Note: He ended up with a standard hat trick, too, if you’re the picky type.)
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  • Should any suspensions result from that ridiculous wave of fights and violent moments. If so, who should sit? Is it a situation where the league has little choice but to wash its hands of it all (or maybe just fine a coach)?
  • It’s tough to place too much blame on Carey Price when everything basically unraveled, but how worried should the Habs be about their franchise goalie? He’s struggled mightily at times in the last few weeks.
  • Is Tuesday’s contest in Ottawa a “must-win” for Montreal? What kind of adjustments should Michel Therrien make after a strange start to this first-round skirmish?
  • Did P.K. Subban go “over the line” when he threw punches at Kyle Turris while the Senators forward was already on the ice?
  • What’s the No. 1 reason why the Senators are so successful?
  1. killerpgh - May 5, 2013 at 10:02 PM

    Fun game to watch.

    • drewsylvania - May 5, 2013 at 10:36 PM

      I hate seeing players try to injure others because they’re losing.

  2. jkulha86 - May 5, 2013 at 10:07 PM

    The league wants a safer game, but yet these playoffs have been filled with cheap shots and scrums after every freeze of the puck. You can’t have it both ways. There’s been more talk suspensions in this first round than there was the entire season. I know I’m not in the norm, but give me Olympic style hockey any day over what we’ve seen so far in the playoffs.

  3. bgord - May 5, 2013 at 10:07 PM

    Classless Canadians.. Nothing but stick swinging cheap shots.. You deserved to lose. And a great move by Ottawa coach, call a timeout with seconds left just to piss them off. Shooting the puck at a player? Loser. The Montreal Canadians are a total embarrassment to their city. NHL Playoffs are for real hockey players.. And what’s with keeping Price in all game?? Take him out when the game was out of reach and let him rest. Now you gave him his most goals allowed in a playoff game in his career. Cant imagine he is too happy. Can’t wait to see MTL take a first round exit.

    • sabatimus - May 5, 2013 at 10:17 PM

      Funniest part was when Ryan White got beat up after his ankle slash.

    • scalfor3 - May 6, 2013 at 11:37 AM

      Habs gonn hab

    • craigonthecob - May 6, 2013 at 4:13 PM

      Can I just point out that Canadians the people who live in Canada (like me), and the Canadiens are the team? Notice the difference – ians (the people) vs. iens (the team).
      Just sayin’, ’cause I thought from the first 2 words were a shot at all of us northerners…

  4. bgord - May 5, 2013 at 10:07 PM

    Classless MTL Canadians.. Nothing but stick swinging cheap shots.. You deserved to lose. And a great move by Ottawa coach, call a timeout with seconds left just to piss them off. Shooting the puck at a player? Loser. The Montreal Canadians are a total embarrassment to their city. NHL Playoffs are for real hockey players.. And what’s with keeping Price in all game?? Take him out when the game was out of reach and let him rest. Now you gave him his most goals allowed in a playoff game in his career. Cant imagine he is too happy. Can’t wait to see MTL take a first round exit.

  5. nunan - May 5, 2013 at 10:07 PM

    One of the best series right now. You know what stinks? People, like LeBrun, complaining about how it got out of hand with the nasty stuff. That doesn’t happen on a regular basis so when it does, I think it adds an incredible amount of fire to the game/series. Who isn’t going to watch game 4 now? LeBrun needs to pipe down.

    • manchestermiracle - May 6, 2013 at 9:19 PM

      That’s a NASCAR mentality. Watching for the wrecks doesn’t make you a fan any more than watching hockey for the fights. It makes you a puerile lover of mayhem.

      • nunan - May 6, 2013 at 9:54 PM

        And that response makes you someone who can’t understand what he reads.

  6. Stiller43 - May 5, 2013 at 10:09 PM

    That was a wild 3rd period. Loved the shots of the benches when there were just 5 guys on each bench lol

    • bgord - May 5, 2013 at 10:20 PM

      No kidding! I’ve never seen benches that empty. what would have happened if 5 more fights broke out? There would have only been 5 guys left on each bench.. lol

  7. ryanw822 - May 5, 2013 at 10:09 PM

    The Canadiens are everything that is wrong with hockey. Bunch of classless little girl parts.

    If Shannahan doesnt take actions then he is nothing but a schill for the NHL.

    • nothanksimdriving123 - May 5, 2013 at 10:15 PM

      I agree that Shanny will need to get involved in the aftermath of this game, but, and not to sound judgmental, but bringing your gender confusion into this makes you sound like an idiot.

  8. whammy71 - May 5, 2013 at 10:09 PM

    Montreal playing like they are from Philadelphia. Caveman hockey is over! They’ll be joining the band of misfit gingers on the golf course soon enough.

    • phillyphanatic77 - May 5, 2013 at 10:34 PM

      Do all Pens fans have amnesia? Because I’d say the Habs disgraceful play was much more comparable to the Penguins meltdown last year.

      • whammy71 - May 5, 2013 at 11:22 PM

        Lets not forget that the flyers did a great job of getting under the skin of the Pens and instigating a lot of the stuff that went on. Habs were simply getting blown out.

  9. eaglesbest - May 5, 2013 at 10:10 PM

    Suspend that punk subban. The guy is a joke. Runs his mouth all the time and can’t back it up. Good job with Turris tough guy lol

    • windmiller4 - May 5, 2013 at 10:26 PM

      Subban may be talented but ive hated him since day one. The guy is classless and cheap.

      • drewsylvania - May 5, 2013 at 10:40 PM

        He’s all physical talent and no brains or hockey sense.

      • tycobbfromfangraphs - May 5, 2013 at 10:57 PM

        Exactly the description most people used with a young Chris Celios.

        I love to hate him

      • odj810 - May 6, 2013 at 8:42 AM

        only guys he’s fought are what marchand and turris. and he jumps them when they least expect it. disgusting to see him try to mount the guy and keep throwing. This isn’t UFC

  10. nothanksimdriving123 - May 5, 2013 at 10:11 PM

    Holy crap! Talk about old time, set the clock back hockey. As Jonesy said, Habs embarrassed themselves. Shooting the puck at an opponent? That should draw at least a fine. It will take an amazing feat for them to recover from this and avoid a shellacking in this series.

  11. manchestermiracle - May 5, 2013 at 10:13 PM

    Paying guys millions a year to punch each other senseless? Isn’t that what the UFC is for? The NHL will never be mainstream as long as an entire game is allowed to become a cheap-shot contest. It looked liked a well-dressed version of bumfights and a new low in playoff hockey.

    • nothanksimdriving123 - May 5, 2013 at 10:20 PM

      A new low in hockey? Wow, it would seem you were not around for the 1970s. This little episode didn’t stoop anywhere close to those Dark Ages. Didn’t see any players climbing into the crowd, throwing chairs from the penalty box, tossing the other goalie’s mask into the seats, etc etc etc.

      • manchestermiracle - May 6, 2013 at 9:24 PM

        nothanks: Started watching in the 70s, but I was referring to latter-day hockey. I thought the then-marginalized NHL had advanced after all these years, but obviously I was wrong.

    • windmiller4 - May 5, 2013 at 10:32 PM

      Sorry man but thats what makes the game fun! Its a tough game, and while montreal was more than cheap, nothing wrong seeing some good fights and a line brawl. Game 4 is gonna be a must see because of this.

      • nothanksimdriving123 - May 5, 2013 at 10:56 PM

        wind, I would be very surprised to see anything like this repeated in G4. The NHL will strongly discourage it, and the Habs have seen it was not a very successful approach and they need to win. Of course, I didn’t expect it tonight either, LOL.

      • windmiller4 - May 5, 2013 at 11:17 PM

        Nothanks, While its true that it likely wont happen to this magnitude in G4, it’s still a very compelling series, with the jabs the coaches have been throwing, to the players jumping in on the post game chirping, plus the potential for a game to either be wide open and high scoring, or very tight and defensive. A great series, todays game will only add fuel to the fire, and viewers to the tv.

  12. dutchman1350 - May 5, 2013 at 10:14 PM

    Shanahan will prove his incompetence by not suspending anyone. Most of the antics are worse than previous suspensions. Chopping on the face off, or shooting the puck at an opponent?

    Does it only matter if someone gets hurt?

  13. drewsylvania - May 5, 2013 at 10:20 PM

    If the league is consistent, we should see at least three hearings out of this game (Subban, Bourque, Gallagher).

    But it isn’t, so we won’t.

    • packerswin96 - May 5, 2013 at 10:25 PM

      I agree Bourque will get a call from Shanny, but WTF r u talking about with Subban and Gallagher? I see all 9 Sens fans are out tonight!

      • bspray - May 5, 2013 at 10:29 PM

        You don’t think Subban needs a call from the league after punching Turris who was not only down on the ice, but also being held down by the linesman? That doesn’t even deserve a call from the league? Seriously?

      • drewsylvania - May 5, 2013 at 10:33 PM

        And the cheap shot near the end of the game by Gallagher.

      • tycobbfromfangraphs - May 5, 2013 at 11:01 PM

        Subban will not get a call
        He’s doesn’t need a call for breaking an unwritten rule, he’s a goof for it, but he’s not actually getting a call about it.
        It would be the first time ever if he did

        Bourque totally is getting another call form the league, he tagged Backstrom and got 5 games I think already.

        So ya, seriously, he doesn’t and won’t if they Habs have a problem with it they should have someone force him to turtle again.

    • drewzducks - May 5, 2013 at 10:58 PM

      Don’t forget Proust spearing Silfverberg in the nads. The Montreal Cowardiens showed their true colors tonight. Probably the most gutless, pathetic display I’ve ever seen in a hockey game. Georges’ slapper, Gallagher throwing before the guy can drop his gloves? And of course PK up to his usual antics. He set the tone for the Habs play when he stayed down for an eternity on that little bump he took in the first few minutes of the game.

  14. z3sh8rain - May 5, 2013 at 10:23 PM

    This series is relevant to non-hockey fans – it will be on ESPN in the morning and folks will talk about how great hockey is because of the NASCAR style violence – great for the Nashville market, sad for the Montreal market – what were the Habs doing on the ice tonight? An embarrassment is too light of a comment – P.K. Suban started a fight because he was upset that his teammates called him out for not giving 100% – how is that a good scrum that encourages your team to push to win? Suban deserves the negative attention he gets – as do all kids that just don’t see the bigger picture. To say that they’re a horrible team because of what transpired on the ice is making the spirit of competition quite simplistic – if you’ve ever played sports, you’ve done something you’re not particularly proud of – “hating” another team or player only based on the events that happen on a field or rink is silly in the grand scheme of things, but the Habs had a chance to take the loss and walk away without breeding the attitude that is certainly going to come of this series – ‘Hate the Habs’ because they are passionate, because of how they play, because of the violence we need in the sport – the game and series will improve ratings, no matter how much the NHL wants to deny it, but understanding that this type of game is a necessary evil to promote our sport but at the same time we have to realize that the game can be promoted without the silliness of this game.

    • drewsylvania - May 5, 2013 at 10:44 PM

      Necessary evil my ass. The Habs couldn’t win, so they started throwing temper tantrums. The only “necessary” thing is to suspend for this kind of behavior.

    • nothanksimdriving123 - May 5, 2013 at 10:59 PM

      NASCAR? UFC or WWF or whatever that crap is, but this did not resemble folks driving in circles to me.

      • manchestermiracle - May 6, 2013 at 9:26 PM

        NASCAR drivers crash each other on purpose, talk smack and fight in the pits. This game makes the NHL look just like other staged “sports” of the kinds you mentioned.

  15. bspray - May 5, 2013 at 10:23 PM

    They should just change their name to the Montreal Lumberjacks. White looking for trouble then getting pounded was the highlight for me.

  16. drewsylvania - May 5, 2013 at 10:25 PM

    Typical Habs acting like children breaking their toys because their friends won’t play nice.

  17. hockinj25 - May 5, 2013 at 10:26 PM

    Stay classy Montreal.

    • maalea - May 5, 2013 at 10:39 PM

      Anyone who uses this tired cliché should have their internet access terminated.

  18. graymalkin26 - May 5, 2013 at 10:32 PM

    A new low in hockey, yeah whatever, shut yer yap u cry baby’s, good ole hockey the Canadian way.

  19. luciddream7 - May 5, 2013 at 10:32 PM

    I can’t believe so many people disapprove of this style of game. It gets my blood flowing with excitement. I love all aspects of hockey But as long as games don’t spiral out of control constantly I’ll take a game like this once in a while. Too many pacifists. Not a fan of either of these teams but have enjoyed this series the most.

  20. graymalkin26 - May 5, 2013 at 10:34 PM

    Btw goof balls, takes 4 wins to take a series last time I checked, bunch of American pansies.

    • windmiller4 - May 5, 2013 at 10:36 PM

      Thats cute, are you gonna go punch me when im down like the rest of your classy canadiens?

      • craigonthecob - May 6, 2013 at 4:47 PM

        nice, you even spelled canadiens right so as not to offend an entire country, which is more than my compatriot graymalkin26 can say…

    • drewsylvania - May 5, 2013 at 10:42 PM

      Last I checked, the Habs had like ONE Canadian-born player.

      • windmiller4 - May 5, 2013 at 10:47 PM

        Then im gonna guess you dont know too much about hockey… By my count they have 17

        http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/roster.htm

      • drewsylvania - May 5, 2013 at 10:48 PM

        Okay fine, it’s like 15, but it’s still a lot less than most other teams.

      • drewsylvania - May 5, 2013 at 10:55 PM

        See, there’s this little device called hyperbole…

      • windmiller4 - May 5, 2013 at 11:19 PM

        See theres also this little thing called F off..

  21. luvusa1 - May 5, 2013 at 10:42 PM

    @whammy…shut up you pathetic loser…still 40 and living in mommies basement and obsessed with Flyer fans? Moron

    • whammy71 - May 6, 2013 at 1:01 AM

      Ruffle some feathers bro? Hate to tell you, but caveman hockey is over…..not to mention, given what went on tonight in Ottawa….my comment was on topic.

      Now go shove a Geno’s wit’out up your ass!

  22. phillyphanatic77 - May 5, 2013 at 11:02 PM

    Nobody instigates and fails to back it up like the Habs. Therrien calls the Sens timeout classless but I’d say the Canadiens play up to that point was classless. They were getting destroyed so they took it upon themselves to pull Ottawa down to their level. For the most part, the game was entertaining, but Montreal really embarrassed itself. Should be plenty more fireworks in game 4.

  23. ducksk - May 5, 2013 at 11:04 PM

    Goon hockey at its finest. No wonder no cup in oh Canada for nearly 20 years! If you can’t control your emotions your a looser on and off the ice. Sad to watch this goonery going on in the league. Cheered on by a bunch of blood thirsty idiots. It will not be good for the sport in the long run. I am a life long fan and cheer skill and not thugs. Hope it ends sometime.

  24. shortsxit34 - May 5, 2013 at 11:10 PM

    Where’s habsman to turn this into a “Bruins are classless” thread?

    • sabatimus - May 5, 2013 at 11:25 PM

      I assume he was at the game wetting his pants and crying.

  25. dumbassgreg - May 5, 2013 at 11:45 PM

    yes georges did shoot at turris. loved bob mckenzie showed alfredson shooting neidermayer. no surprise sens fans were fine with that.. speaking of class neidermayer has more class in his little finger then anyone presently coaching or playing for ottawa,montreal ,vancouver,boston or chicago. no surprise players don;t know how to lose. they have been given medals for just showing up by their weak daddy’s in their houses in the suburbs who all look the same,lmao. when mom makes dad leave his mancave to go their games . all the time praying the game ends quickly so they can get back to their mancave hide from their wives,kids lmao.

  26. ducksk - May 6, 2013 at 12:06 AM

    Dear tough guys, you want to cheer blood and guts go back to the mid ages or continue to tune into the UFC. You want to feel like your a man thru goons not playing a game? I love the game, big hits, and battles infront of the net and the corners. I was there for the B.S. bully days. You heard about it. F u you wannabe tough guys. Go back to your cubicle and pocket protector. There are so many great players in the NHL we don’t need assaults to please you bloodthirsty idiots cheering for more.

  27. malcolmsbeard - May 6, 2013 at 12:13 AM

    Canadiens = Punks

    • mgp1219 - May 6, 2013 at 12:37 PM

      Correction:
      Canadiens = Cannucks = Pussies!

  28. boisehockeyref - May 6, 2013 at 12:24 AM

    I’m putting my ref sweater on this one…In the case of Subban, a fine and/or 1 game suspension is in order. Unfortunately the Linesman did what we should never do; get involved in a fight by themselves. But, it happens. As a linesman working Jr. A I have had to make a choice to either join my partner or help out another cause. In this case, Subban disregarded the linesmans orders to stop, and continued throwing, putting the Sens player and the linesman at risk. Definitely should be some supplementary discipline dished out.

    • windmiller4 - May 6, 2013 at 1:04 AM

      Jr A and your tag is Boise hockey ref? you wouldnt by any chance have reffed some WSHL games?

  29. thehighcountrybear - May 6, 2013 at 1:57 AM

    Check this out…soccer yes, but insane all the same:

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/05/us/utah-soccer-death/

  30. boisehockeyref - May 6, 2013 at 4:55 AM

    Why yes windmiller…lol. I did for 2 solid years but didn’t this past year. Hope to get back into it next season. Yes I worked mostly in McCall for the Jr. Steelheads…and worked a couple in Ogden last year as well.

    • windmiller4 - May 6, 2013 at 9:39 PM

      I played in salt lake last year. You might want to consider moving down there, our refs were frickin brutal. Between that and the fact that we sucked it was a long year haha

  31. buffalo65 - May 6, 2013 at 6:23 AM

    Hockey, the one sport that when you are losing you have the option to beat up your opponent without punishment. What a joke. A great game ruined by thugs. Who wants their kid playing when this is an accepted result of winning a game. Changes needed.

  32. pensman29 - May 6, 2013 at 6:28 AM

    Subban went way over the line in his fight and I wouldn’t be surprised if he hears it from the league.

  33. buffalo65 - May 6, 2013 at 6:34 AM

    What happens if the puck shot at a player hits him like it did Crosby? What if Subban punches a guy while he’s down and his head rattles off the ice? It’s only a matter of time. Automatic one game suspensions for goonery.

  34. istallion - May 6, 2013 at 6:41 AM

    I’m a Habs fan and yes both Gallagher and PK crossed a line, but I think out if frustration and still seething about Ellers injury.

    • phillyphanatic77 - May 6, 2013 at 11:26 AM

      A two-game suspension (for a clean hit, I might add) isn’t enough? The
      Habs are a bunch of midgets that try to assert physical dominance because they all have Napoleon syndrome. No one instigates as much as they do, but normally they skate away. They see themselves as hockey royalty but they were an embarrassment last night. If they want revenge for the Eller hit then the best way to do that is to win on the scoreboard. Doesn’t matter how frustrated they were.

  35. augsburg12 - May 6, 2013 at 9:22 AM

    Ottawa sucks. The show boating after the line brawl as it being called was classless. Montreal classless. This game was a joke to all hockey fans. Just enforce the rules. All the rules every game period. The cheap shots that are in these playoffs are not hockey. And frankly are turning away fans in droves. Shanagan do your job and get control before someone is crippled or killed. If you can’t handle the pressure from the owners and player association step aside

  36. buffalomafia - May 6, 2013 at 10:34 AM

    Now that was a hockey game!

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