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TSN coaches poll: Crosby a favorite for Hart Trophy

Apr 18, 2013, 6:00 AM EDT

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A poll of 25 National Hockey League head coaches recently completed by TSN hockey insider Bob McKenzie revealed Sidney Crosby as the top choice for the Hart Trophy as the player voted on to be the most valuable to his team.

That’s at least based on the opinion of the majority of Eastern Conference coaches who responded to the survey, McKenzie reported.

Crosby still leads the league in scoring with 56 points in 36 games, however he hasn’t played since suffering a broken jaw on March 30, when he took a puck in the mouth.

McKenzie also reported that Jonathan Toews of the Chicago Blackhawks was the “overwhelming choice for Hart Trophy MVP consideration in the Western Conference.”

The 24-year-old captain is having another solid year for the Blackhawks, currently the top team in the NHL with the end of the regular season in sight.

Toews has six points in his last four games and has 44 points in 42 games. More impressive, and perhaps a better indication of just how good Chicago has been, is Toews’ plus-minus rating. His plus-27 rating puts him third amongst all NHL players this season.

  1. canucks30 - Apr 18, 2013 at 6:09 AM

  2. canucks30 - Apr 18, 2013 at 6:12 AM

  3. eigglesnosuperbowls - Apr 18, 2013 at 6:26 AM

    I understand their reasoning ! If he’s not there they are really just an average team !

    • eigglesnosuperbowls - Apr 18, 2013 at 6:30 AM

      Iam refferring to Toews and the BLACKHAWKS in the above post just to make myself clear !

  4. cspsrbums - Apr 18, 2013 at 6:33 AM

    Ovie Ovie Ovie

  5. buffalomafia - Apr 18, 2013 at 6:44 AM

    How can that be when he is injured?

    What about Pat Kane or Ovechkin?

    • ucaneverscorenoughgoals - Apr 18, 2013 at 8:55 AM

      Because after 36 games Crosby’s work was basically done. That 15 game winning streak was driven by him. Malkin has been injured and subpar and Letang missed chunk’s of time.

      Kane is awesome but not as dominant and Sid, and Ovechkin has been blazing hot for a month but you can’t be MIA for the first 20-25 games and expect to get the same recognition as the guy who has missed almost three weeks and still leads the league in points.

      • jaguar0413 - Apr 18, 2013 at 1:04 PM

        Hasn’t Crosby been MIA for the last month?

        Also, MVP doesn’t equal best player. It equals “Most Valuable.” I don’t see how Ovechkin hasn’t been the most valuable player in the league to his team. His turnaround directly correlates to the turnaround of the Capitals. Pens have been winning since Sid went out.

      • 19inarow - Apr 18, 2013 at 3:16 PM

        I agree with jaguar. The Pens have been rolling right along without Crosby. The points award is called the Art Ross, not the Hart.

      • ucaneverscorenoughgoals - Apr 18, 2013 at 9:32 PM

        Jaguar,

        To be MIA you actually have to be in the action. Ovi was, the problem was that hardly anybody noticed for the first 20 to 25 games.

        Crosby has never been MIA. He hasn’t been available for three weeks when he’s in action nobody is ever wondering, “why is he just going through the motions”. Which people did with Ovi. For those first 36 games he was the clear Hart favorite and the reason the penguins went on that 15 game winning streak. It ended and the team only kept winning because FOUR guys…Iginla, Morrow, Jokinen, and Murray had been added to the lineup to pick up the slack.

  6. canucks30 - Apr 18, 2013 at 6:52 AM

  7. canucks30 - Apr 18, 2013 at 6:55 AM

    Sergei Bobrovsky

  8. csilojohnson - Apr 18, 2013 at 7:10 AM

    56 points in 36 games or 44 points in 42 games…… No question. Plus isn’t Kunitz and Dupuis 1 and 2 in plus minus?

  9. obnoxiousDCfan - Apr 18, 2013 at 7:22 AM

    When Tom Brady went down with his knee injury, the Pats went 12-4. Now, Tom Brady is a great QB, but he is not MVP(Most Valuable Player) when his team can do fine without him. Now, look at what happened to the Colts when Manning was out for a year. They went 2-14. I would say that Manning was very valuable to his team after that season.

    Having said all of that, the Pens are fine without Crosby, so how would that make him most VALUABLE player? Maybe “Best All Around Player”, sure, but he isn’t the most valuable to his team. He is a good leader, yes, and a great hockey player, but they don’t exactly suffer without him. I’m also not arguing for Ovi either, because while he is valuable to his team, he slept for the first month of the season, but I would definitely put him in the running, among others, above Crosby.

    Now, go a head and thumbs down me because I’m a Caps fan with a valid point.

    • steelhammer92 - Apr 18, 2013 at 7:37 AM

      My issue with that logic is it would basically eliminate great players on great teams. Using that logic and speaking hypothetically; if Peyton Manning played on the Patriots and had all that talent around him, he would never deserve MVP because the team is already stacked and would still have a solid season without him. Individual performances in a given season would be nullified if the team was stacked.

      Maybe the Caps go on the same run without Ovie in the lineup.. Even though I don’t believe that for a second, you can’t punish a guy for going down and having his team still playing well. Coaching, the system, and overall talent factor in.

      MVP in professional sports, despite the definition, is basically best single performing player in the game. Crosby has been the best hockey player all season, it’s not even debatable. Ovechkin recently went on a terror, but Crosby has been doing that all season long and has helped set his team up for a first place finish in the East.

    • hockeywithdrawal - Apr 18, 2013 at 8:08 AM

      Ovi could be the MVP if he started the season off acting like one. He started the season as a virus to his team. They clawed their way up to the top of a bad division, but it doesn’t mean he should be MVP.

      • flavadave10 - Apr 18, 2013 at 1:46 PM

        I’d say that helps Ovechkin’s MVP argument. Without him being great, the Caps can’t win. When he’s great, the Capitals are an entirely different team.

        I’d call moving to right wing, learning a brand new system pretty much on the fly, and playing with the likes of Jay Beagle and Joey Crabb for multiple games and not whining about any of it to be what an MVP does. Ovechkin is extremely valuable to the Capitals. To suggest otherwise is insanity.

      • hockeywithdrawal - Apr 18, 2013 at 3:31 PM

        I didn’t suggest that he’s not valuable to the Caps? I suggested that you don’t know that they can’t win without him. He’s a good shooter, a good tool for the team to have. They feed him the puck, he shoots it. Good deal. But an MVP after taking the first third of the season off? NOPE.

      • flavadave10 - Apr 18, 2013 at 3:51 PM

        MVP after missing 25% of the regular season? NOPE. And it wasn’t 1/3 of the season. More like the first 7-10 games. Huge difference.

      • hockeywithdrawal - Apr 18, 2013 at 4:09 PM

        It seems like such a short time ago that he was being absolutely ridiculed, and probably for good reason, for being lazy, diving, taking shifts off completely, not caring about his team, in general bad for hockey….and THAT was all from one of the guys that is really bad for hockey! I agree he turned it around…but MVP? And, in the same year he admitted to using Nope. He’s a great athlete and deserved his Hart trophies the year he won them…just not this year.

      • flavadave10 - Apr 19, 2013 at 8:38 AM

        Admitted to using what? And why do people even care what Mike Milbury says? Heck, how is he employed to talk about hockey?

    • steelpenbucs87 - Apr 18, 2013 at 9:15 AM

      You can’t penalize a good player just because he is on a good team. If such were the case the Hart Trophy would always go to the best player on a 6-8 seeded team who literally is the difference between playoffs and no playoffs.

      • flavadave10 - Apr 18, 2013 at 1:59 PM

        Not saying that at all. But if you can’t penalize a good player just because he’s on a good team, you also can’t blame a good player for being on a less good team.

      • steelpenbucs87 - Apr 18, 2013 at 5:56 PM

        Agreed, but this is where things become shades of gray:

        – You’ve got good players on good teams (Sid on the Pens, Toews on the Hawks), who will always be argued against because “the team would be good without them”
        – You’ve got good players on okay teams (Tavares on the Isles, Bob on the Jackets), who get the acclaim of being THE reason these teams are in the playoffs, BUT who aren’t good enough to elevate their teams to the top of the table.
        -You’ve got good players on bad teams (Stamkos on the Lightning), who put up great numbers, but can’t even bring their teams to the middle.

        So all things being equal – I’m taking the best overall player.

      • flavadave10 - Apr 19, 2013 at 8:57 AM

        steelpenbucs87

        I tend to ignore the third type of player you listed as serious Hart Trophy candidates. Mostly because how valuable are you really to your team if your team isn’t one of the top 8 teams in your 15 team conference? There are rare exceptions, but that’s my humble opinion.

        I respect Crosby a lot. Dude’s probably the best player in the world if he’s healthy. But the Penguins are stacked. If Crosby isn’t there, oh well, you still have Malkin and a ton of other guys who I’m too lazy to mention. The pressure is eternally on the guys like Tavares, Bob, and Ovechkin to do well because they darn well know that if they don’t play well, their team is probably going to lose. That’s why I tend to favor the second type of player that you listed, unless the first type of player isn’t on a stacked team.

        I’m biased, you’re biased, let’s admit it and let bygones be bygones. Here’s to seeing a Penguins-Capitals playoff series, as I always thoroughly enjoy seeing Ovechkin and Crosby face each other. Usually winds up being an “I can do anything better than you” competition.

      • steelpenbucs87 - Apr 19, 2013 at 9:37 AM

        I’ll drink to that!

        Metaphorically speaking, of course since I’m at work and its 9:37am

    • JoeAvg - Apr 18, 2013 at 11:44 AM

      Enough already. We all know the definition of the award and we all know that’s not how it’s voted upon. Gretzky won the award almost every year and the Oilers were stacked with Hall of Fame players in their prime. What do you want to do give the award to Ilya Kovalchuk? It’s painfully obvious the Devils can’t win without him. He’s a great player, yes – but MVP? No. Crosby should win it because he deserves it, no matter how loud the haters whine.

      • flavadave10 - Apr 18, 2013 at 2:20 PM

        I wouldn’t say he deserves it (no stand out candidate this season IMO), but he’s certainly worthy of consideration. As are Ovechkin, Tavares, and Toews. Any four of those fine gentlemen deserve it.

      • flavadave10 - Apr 18, 2013 at 2:21 PM

        *Any one of those four gentlemen.

    • sjshark714 - Apr 18, 2013 at 3:52 PM

      Getting the semantics out of the way first… the Pats went 11-5 and it was the only year in the last 10 that they failed to make the playoffs.

      I agree with you though. Crosby is a great player, perhaps the best, but he’s not the most valuable to his team. That is just a fact.

      • flavadave10 - Apr 19, 2013 at 9:01 AM

        Exactly. Best player in the league and most valuable player to his team in the league are not the same thing. Then again, says who Hart voters think the same way we do?

  10. pone27 - Apr 18, 2013 at 7:27 AM

    Points don’t make an MVP. Overall contribution in all spectrums is what makes an MVP. The trophy you think Crosby deserves is called the Art Ross.

    Obviously losing a player like Crosby is huge, but clearly Pittsburgh can survive without him.

    If the Hawks lose Toews, as a Hawks fan, I can tell you there is no way the Hawks would stay afloat. Center depth is finished, leadership lost, etc. Crosby brings a lot of point value, but I don’t care what pens fans say, Toews is arguably one of the biggest leaders in the league. Not to mention Toews’ other key stats (+/-, faceoff%, takeaway ratio) it’s a no brainer he deserves it more than Crosby.

    Another obvious note: Crosby isn’t playing! Awarding a player MVP when missing significant playing time I think is absurd. Any other player in the league out this long would not even be considered.

    • hockeywithdrawal - Apr 18, 2013 at 8:22 AM

      What is the Hawks record without Toews. I’ve heard Caps fans say how they’re screwed without Ovi, heard Hawks fans say how they’re screwed without Toews, but no one puts up the records without those guys in the line up (to be honest I think it’s just people stating opinions without any facts to back them up). One guy NEVER makes or breaks a line up, unless it’s the goalie. Crosby is every bit the leader that Toews is.

    • hockeywithdrawal - Apr 18, 2013 at 8:42 AM

      Just to drive that point home – the Hawks have clenched the conference already, with 70 points…that’s actually amazing. But you, sir, are saying that’s ALL because of Toews? If I has anyone else on that team (lots of great athletes..very well put together too), I’m about to slash you in the face with my stick.

      • hockeywithdrawal - Apr 18, 2013 at 10:21 AM

        I apologize – I meant “If I AM anyone else on that team”…. oh boy.

    • steelpenbucs87 - Apr 18, 2013 at 9:18 AM

      Just to play Devil’s Advocate to your point about Crosby not playing, the fact that the Pens essentially put a stranglehold on the East in such a short amount of time is even more of an indication of his value.

  11. sidgenotanger2944 - Apr 18, 2013 at 7:40 AM

    Sid deserves the award hands down. He’ll be back the final week of the season and still win the points race. Then to the Stanley Cup!!!! I hope the Pens meet Ovi-rated in the playoffs and watch him go into hiding and then dispose of toews in the finals. then you’ll see how valuable he is!!!!!!

    • brainoflindros - Apr 18, 2013 at 10:42 AM

      I hope Pens and Caps meet in the playoffs too. And I can’t wait to watch the Flower, flounder in net and Vokoun look like a fool.

  12. Stiller43 - Apr 18, 2013 at 7:53 AM

    Missing roughly 20 % of the season and STILL leading thee league in scoring, plus his team is the best in the east, and had the 2nd longest winning streak ever this year.

    ObnoxiousDCfan (what a perfect moniker),

    TB or PM didnt play but a quarter of football combined those seasons.,,the comparison is idiotic at best. Crosbys played all but a handful of games and leads the league in scoring despite that. He also continues to turn to average players (kunitz and duper) into 40 goal scorers (on pace in an 82 game season). Notice how theyve been so quiet since he’s been out?

  13. thehighcountrybear - Apr 18, 2013 at 8:38 AM

    I was all over Crosby for the Hart until he went down, then it became a maybe…?

    With TSN running a poll favouring Sid, I’m off the kid, but only because of TSN’s capacity for picking losers…they do have a knack!

    In spite of TSN’s near peerless excellence in broadcasters and various panels, their handicapping sucks large…they’re my favourite inverse barometer when compiling my own consensus picks for play when money matters!

    Viva las Vegas…

  14. kingsforever - Apr 18, 2013 at 8:44 AM

    If Lumbus makes the playoffs then it should be Bobrovsky

  15. mclovinhockey - Apr 18, 2013 at 8:48 AM

    Crosby is a great player, but is he the most valuable to his team?

    I would not say so.

    Fact is without Crosby the pens are still beasts, they would be right where they are now in the standings.

    The caps without ovie, or the jackets without Bob…. That’s a different story.

    If Sid wins this trophy for just being a great player it would take away from what the trophy means.

    • bildomatic - Apr 18, 2013 at 9:37 AM

      So you’re saying to win this trophy you can’t be on a great team? This trophy means the best player on an overachieving team then basically? Ok… Got it…

    • flavadave10 - Apr 18, 2013 at 2:01 PM

      Right, just like Gretzky winning it a bunch of times with a great team ruined it.

  16. jaybaileys - Apr 18, 2013 at 8:54 AM

    Do you guys really think the Pens would win the Stanley Cup without Crosby? No chance. I don’t care how good they look now. With that porous Penalty Kill, they run into one hot goalie and see ya bye. They need him plain and simple to have a chance to win it all. Does that make the MVP maybe not, but I don’t think get past the 2nd round without him.

  17. mclovinhockey - Apr 18, 2013 at 9:22 AM

    Morrow, iginla, letang, Malkin, Neal, MAF, voko…

    Yup this team without Crosby is still the most stacked team in the league…. Even without Malkin and Crosby for the playoffs I would say they still have a high chance at the cup.
    Then again if they had a healthy team they could still get swept in round 1.

    Leading a team who has more all stars on it currently than some franchises have ever had is not exactly shocking to see what they have done this season.

    • pone27 - Apr 18, 2013 at 9:58 AM

      Ill reiterate this sentence again:
      Not to mention Toews’ other key stats (+/-, faceoff%, takeaway ratio) it’s a no brainer he deserves it more than Crosby.

      I am pretty sure that should the Hawks not have Toews, they would not be where they are in the West. Ask any NHL analyst, fan, etc.

      Question: Who are the Pens Centers without Crosby? No name the Hawks centers without Toews.

      Yup, pretty sure Saads season has a lot to do with Toews. I don’t bother play numbers games, but if you want I will:

      Toews: 2nd in FO%(60.1) 3rd in +/-, 9th in points, more goals with a better shooting %, 1st in takeaways (+36 differential). So where are Crosbys stats on top not on pace of playing a whole season? Theres my backing of stats.

      • bhunter47 - Apr 18, 2013 at 1:12 PM

        Let’s not use +/- as a stat to support Toews over Crosby.

        Toews is +27, Crosby is +26, and Crosby has played 6 fewer games. After 36 games, Toews was a +21, Crosby +26. Based on the track record, you can say that Crosby has been better in that category. But Toews does have him beat in the others you mention.

      • flavadave10 - Apr 18, 2013 at 2:03 PM

        It’s 2013, why are people still using +/- in an MVP argument?

  18. modellforprez - Apr 18, 2013 at 9:38 AM

    hope no one ran this by Mr. soiled oatsey.

    • flavadave10 - Apr 18, 2013 at 2:05 PM

      Are you honestly shocked that Adam Oates (the CAPITALS head coach) thinks that Alex Ovechkin (HIS STAR PLAYER) is the MVP? That’s like being shocked that Mike Milbury said something stupid.

  19. abizzle03 - Apr 18, 2013 at 10:25 AM

    I really don’t understand how this is even a debate. For 36 games, Crosby was, hands down, the best player in the league and had led the Pens to the top of the Eastern Conference proving to be the engine that made them go. He suffers an injury which, at most, will cause him to miss the 12 remaining regular season games and now he somehow hasn’t done enough? Is there a rule regarding how many games someone must play to prove he is most valuable? No.

    Crosby still leads the league in points, assists, and is top 5 in plus/minus. Kunitz was 2nd in the league in scoring while Sid was healthy (still top 5 given the cushion Crosby helped him build) and Dupuis has put up 20 goals in a shortened season, better than any rate previously in his career. Plus, the two of them are still 1 and 2 in the league in plus/minus. When the Pens were rolling, that line was carrying the load, night after night after night.

    Once Crosby went down, the Pens immediately dropped two games to the Sabres and Rangers in ugly fashion. Since then, they’ve won 5 in a row, but look at who they’ve beaten. The 2-1 Rangers game was stolen by Fleury as the Pens were badly outplayed. Then they beat the Hurricanes, Lightning and Panthers, the three WORST teams in the Eastern Conference. Last night they beat the Canadiens who have suddenly started giving up goals by the half dozen. I’m glad they are still picking up points, but don’t pretend like they are still rolling along like before.

    It’s good for the NHL that Ovechkin is back playing at a level that we haven’t seen from him for a couple of years. But, he’s really only been relevant for the last 16 games. 16. You’re honestly going to argue that those 16 games are enough to make him the MVP, but 36 games for Crosby weren’t enough? There’s a good chance Crosby will still finish the year with more points than Ovechkin while playing 12 fewer games. Also, consider the fact that of Ovechkin’s 28 goals, 15 have come against the Southeast Division, the worst division in the league by far. As I mentioned earlier, TB, CAR, and FLA occupy the last three spots in the whole conference. If the Caps were in any other division, east or west, they would be desperately fighting for a 6, 7, 8 seed, not the division title. I understand that the Caps don’t choose who they play, but seriously, how can you not consider that? Your division leaders hover around .500 all year and when you overtake them, it’s some great comeback?

    I love Toews’s game. Think he doesn’t get enough credit for what he brings every night. But, if you cite the fact that his +27 is something in his favor for the Hart, how do you ignore Crosby’s +26 in fewer games? Plus, the Blackhawks are one of the deepest teams in the league. Losing Toews would certainly result in a drop off, but don’t pretend like he’s playing with a bunch of AHL’ers.

    If this season were only 16 games, then yes, you’d have to say Ovechkin has been the MVP. But it’s not. It’s a 48 game season, and when it’s all said and done, what Crosby accomplished in 36 will still be more significant than what anyone else has done in 48.

    • thehighcountrybear - Apr 18, 2013 at 10:43 AM

      I’m sorry abizzle03, your post is lacking in detail, back ground material, and a general understanding of the game…perhaps a little brief as well?

      Your graded down to A++ where an A+++ may have been won with more effort?

      Kidding aside, I’m in awe of your excellent article…among the best this season!

    • flavadave10 - Apr 18, 2013 at 2:07 PM

      If you want to hold Ovechkin’s month of January against him, that’s fine. But why not hold Crosby’s absence in the month of April against him?

      • abizzle03 - Apr 18, 2013 at 3:30 PM

        Fine, hold Crosby’s month of April against him. I’ll hold the month of January and February and the beginning of March against Ovechkin. Also, how can you say there isn’t a difference between an absence because of injury and an absence because of pitiful, uninspired, lackluster play?

        Saw something else today. In 17 games against playoff level competition (i.e. teams in the playoffs today), Ovechkin has logged 13 points. In 26 against non-playoff teams, 35 points. In 20 games against playoff teams for Crosby, 32 points. In 16 against non-playoff teams, 24 points. You can figure that out, right?

      • flavadave10 - Apr 18, 2013 at 3:52 PM

        So it’s Ovechkin’s fault that the Southeast Division sucks? OK.

      • flavadave10 - Apr 18, 2013 at 3:56 PM

        Has Sidney Crosby had to play with the likes of Jay Beagle, Wolsi, and Joey Crabb, all while trying to switch positions and learn a brand new offensive system? Maybe THAT had something to do with his slow start? But no, it’s because Ovechkin sucks. Got it.

      • abizzle03 - Apr 18, 2013 at 11:13 PM

        Your reading comprehension is poor. Never said Ovechkin sucks, but keep pretending I did. In fact, I said if this were a 16 game season, he’d deserve MVP, which is quite the opposite of sucking. I also said the Caps don’t get to choose who they play, so you’re wrong again trying to say I’m blaming that on Ovechkin.

        And since you clearly don’t get it, the whole point of those numbers against playoff and non-playoff teams was to look at performance against opponents of a similar caliber. Against the same playoff level opponents, Crosby put up significantly better numbers against that tougher competition than Ovechkin.

        Nice attempt with the Beagle/Crabb argument. Show me the last time Chris Kunitz was a top 5 scorer in the NHL or that Pascal Dupuis was on pace for a 40 goal season. Crosby makes the people around him better.

        Don’t fret though, you won’t have to worry about Ovechkin adjusting to Oates’s new style and his new position next year, so I’m sure he’ll run away with every offensive award and people will start wondering if he is better than Gretzky and Lemieux. In fact, everyone should just accept that as a fact now. Speaking of adjustments, I read that Carey Price just started using some new goalie pads. Maybe the Vezina voters can take that into account when they look at how he’s struggled lately and just ignore it since he was “going through an adjustment” but prior to that, was playing lights out. In case you didn’t get it, given your prior display of poor comprehension, that was sarcasm.

      • mdnjdevil - Apr 24, 2013 at 4:07 PM

        You clowns are so ready to attribute Ovechkin’s slow start to being lazy. I understand. It is easy to take the uninformed way out.

        He switched to LW this year and was under yet another new system lead by Adam Oates.

        Derp… you think that getting used to LW and the new system could have something to do with him finally breaking out?

  20. haterrus - Apr 18, 2013 at 10:47 AM

    i hope the penguins get manhandled in playoff like what the flyers did last year …That was truly the best thing about the playoff last year .

  21. cspsrbums - Apr 18, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    You Pen fans are clowns Ovie and the caps had another new coach new system and took a little to get going they keep talking about an easy division .They beat Boson Monteal , Toronto and others . They have the system down now and just need to tighten the D up like they did Toronto game on a regular basis. Nothing would look better then Pitt getting knock out in the 1st round again. So yes Ovie an the team struggled at the start but have found there way so why shouldn’t he be the Hart winner.he even fight for his guys not like Crosby who runs

  22. cspsrbums - Apr 18, 2013 at 12:42 PM

    I wouldn’t call people Haters Crosby is a great Player but just because he plays for Pitt doesn’t mean he automatically wins it. He didn’t play a full year and yes he does block shots well with his face and yes the team can an has won without him so he should not be considered The MVP .

    • tsi431 - Apr 18, 2013 at 1:38 PM

      Ray Shero is the Hart Trophy Winner. He put together a team of winners. Poor Capitals have a crappy team due to a crappy job by the GM. They only have one good player, whom spends practically the whole game in one spot.

  23. theageofquarrel - Apr 18, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    If Sid does win the Hart, will people go postal? Could you imagine all the chaos that would ensue if the Penguins won it all? Tears from all the bitter fans would flood the streets, tantrums would be thrown and players would be cursed for all eternity. Hahahaha it would be a sight to be seen. Let’s sit back and hope it happens!!!!

    • pone27 - Apr 18, 2013 at 1:11 PM

      We have already seen it…. Ask canucks fans.

    • flavadave10 - Apr 18, 2013 at 2:30 PM

      “CHALLENGE ACCEPTED”- Vancouver.

  24. flavadave10 - Apr 18, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    Caps fan here. I have a ton of respect for Crosby- best player in the world when he’s healthy. But this year, he hasn’t been the most valuable player in the league IMO. Penguins have fared pretty well without him. Show some respect to Alex Ovechkin. He’s had to raise his level of play the past month and a half, and he has. Not saying he should be the winner hands-down, but you can’t deny he has to be in the conversation. Hate him if you want, but at least respect his game. Most Caps fans do the same with Crosby.

  25. obnoxiousDCfan - Apr 18, 2013 at 2:19 PM

    The problem is that everybody has a different idea of what “MVP” is. Some people say it’s best player, some say it’s “without him, we lose”. Judging from the past, the voting has always gone to the best player, which, this season, will proably be Crosby. Ovi can do what he wants for the remainder of this year, but he won’t escape the horrid play from the beginning of the season.

  26. obnoxiousDCfan - Apr 18, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    @Stiller43

    The “idiotic” comment was an NFL reference because I do not want to have the Crosby/Ovechkin argument around homers like you, so I picked what I thought was an obvious reference from another sport. I’m well aware how much time Brady and Manning missed and how much time Ovi took off this season and how many games Sid has missed, so no need to point it out. Thanks.

    I respect Crosby as a player(which is more than a lot of people who LIKE watching him get hurt) and I could honestly give a sh!t who wins the Hart. As a Caps fan, at this point, there’s only one thing I care about my team(or it’s players) winning, and we all know what that is.

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