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Video: Does injured Crosby still deserve the Hart?

Apr 10, 2013, 8:20 PM EST

The Pittsburgh Penguins have seen at least one of their star players fall behind in a trophy race because of health problems as Kris Letang‘s odds to take the Norris plummeted thanks to injuries. Sidney Crosby was well ahead in the points race when he suffered that freak puck to the face, sidelining him for what could be a month from a 99-day season.

So, the question is: should the Hart Trophy go to him anyway? Mike Milbury and Keith Jones ponder that question in the video below.

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  1. canucks30 - Apr 10, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    Ovechkin

    • eigglesnosuperbowls - Apr 10, 2013 at 8:51 PM

      How can you win the HART if your the TIN MAN ?

      • ravenscaps48 - Apr 11, 2013 at 9:26 AM

        Crosby IS the best player in the world and definitely deserves to be a finalist.

        Ovechkin has tied for the goal lead and deserves to be a finalist. (Had six days of training camp to learn a completely new system and he’s carried this team)

        Third is a tough choice. You have Patty Kane and Towes from Chicago. Tavares from Long Island. And Ryan Getzlaf from Disneyland. Any of those four would be well deserved

      • bgrillz - Apr 11, 2013 at 10:05 AM

        Tin Man? Seriously? Dude got blasted in the chops with a slap shot. There isn’t a player alive who would have got up, wiped himself off, and continued playing. Some of you people are absurd, and should have your internet taken away.

      • fbothharbaughs - Apr 11, 2013 at 12:13 PM

        Safe to say no Flyer will be winning the HEART trophy…

    • ucaneverscorenoughgoals - Apr 10, 2013 at 8:52 PM

      Ovechkin has cemented the fact that’s he’s still a great player………Crosby is the best player in the world and the MVP of the league. Pre concussion, post concussion…..broken jaw etc.

      Malkin has slumped all season for whatever reason. Letang has missed a chunk, others players have been in and out of the lineup…….That 15 game win streak was driven by Crosby.

      He basically turned Kris kunitz and Pascal Dupuis into Glen Anderson and Yari Kurri.

      • canucks30 - Apr 10, 2013 at 9:16 PM

        If your going to use various players names in making your argument, can you at least spell them correctly?

      • ucaneverscorenoughgoals - Apr 10, 2013 at 9:22 PM

        It’s a blog not a term paper. If you’re bothered because I spelled Jari incorrectly….oh well.

      • canucks30 - Apr 10, 2013 at 9:41 PM

        You also spelled Glenn (2 N’s) Anderson wrong and Chris (with a C) Kunitz

      • ucaneverscorenoughgoals - Apr 10, 2013 at 9:49 PM

        I’ll repeat……blog, not a term paper. If you’re going to grade the spelling………..”hahahahahahahahaha” is all I have to say.

      • therealjr - Apr 10, 2013 at 10:21 PM

        Kinda funny to hear a guy who starts his sentence off, “If Your” busting balls about grammar and spelling.

        Just sayin’.

      • canucks30 - Apr 11, 2013 at 1:31 AM

      • fbothharbaughs - Apr 11, 2013 at 12:14 PM

        @ canucks30, if “you’re” going to bust grammar balls, please use the correct version of “you’re”, thank you…

    • vbcaps - Apr 10, 2013 at 9:53 PM

      OV right now. If he is scoring caps are winning..if he is not scoring caps are loosing…that sounds like MVP to me.

      Bob in Columbus is a good choice if they make the playoffs

      • chanceoffleury1 - Apr 10, 2013 at 11:17 PM

        But does an MVP only show up for the second half of the season? Where was Ovi when the Caps were in the basement of the east? or when it took them 40 games to FINALLY beat a playoff team in regulation? Sidney Crosby has managed to turn 2 undrafted wingers into the most prolific and high scoring line in the league. Bob single handily took the laughing stock of the league after they lost their top player and put them in playoff talks. Sid and Bob play in significantly harder divisions, too. That matters even more in a season like this when half of your games are inter-divisional.

      • ravenscaps48 - Apr 11, 2013 at 9:18 AM

        Crosby hasn’t showed up in the second half either…… ZING

  2. eigglesnosuperbowls - Apr 10, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    Stamkos gets my vote

    • therealjr - Apr 10, 2013 at 8:53 PM

      Good luck sitting in 13th place. If you think that doesn’t matter, you’d be wrong.

  3. jdrew506 - Apr 10, 2013 at 8:29 PM

    Not much I agree with Dillbury on, however I agree that Taveres needs o be in consideration for the MVP. Not saying he will win but needs to be in the conversation.

    • therealjr - Apr 10, 2013 at 8:55 PM

      I salute you for watching. Right after “Mike Milbury and Keith Jones ponder…” it was straight to the comments for me.

    • stakex - Apr 10, 2013 at 11:34 PM

      People seem to forget that the Heart isn’t about stats, but who is most valuable to their team.

      By that standard, there is a very good argument that Taveres should win it. Without him, its likely the Islanders are bottom feeders right now. The Pens might not be as dangerous without Crosby, but hes far from the whole team… and they are still a well rounded, dangerous team without him.

    • steelpenbucs87 - Apr 11, 2013 at 9:04 AM

      I agree – Tavares definitely deserves consideration. It’s tough this year because the only guy who REALLY distinguished himself in the Hart race (not to say other guys aren’t having MVP seasons, but Crosby had pulled ahead of the pack) misses the final month of the season….

      I would want to see Tavares, Crosby, and Toews be the guys who are nominated, with Crosby taking home the hardware. He is the most valuable player to his team, by virtue of being the best player in the world. He put Chris Kunitz and Pascal Dupuis on 80 point paces (if this were a full season).

      My hunch is it will be Crosby, Ovechkin, and Stamkos with Ovechkin getting the nod, unless Crosby comes back early and manages to retain the points lead…

      Also – how do people view the Kane/Toews pair – while I think they have both been top 5 players in the league this year I wonder if they don’t split votes/consideration

    • jpelle82 - Apr 11, 2013 at 9:16 AM

      tavares has helped the islanders beat sub .500 teams. he hasnt done much against anyone thats competitive. mvp’s show up for big games, tavares doesnt. 3 goals total against toronto, boston, mtl, pitt, ottawa in 15 games. he has preyed on bottom dwellers buf, car, nj, philly. he is shook and shut down by top tier defensmen, is a career minus player with this year being no exception, and until he starts winning his team some important games then i wont consider him a candidate. i’m not hating on him, he is a good player and well deserving of the draft pick that was spent on him, but he hasnt “arrived” just yet IMO.

  4. eigglesnosuperbowls - Apr 10, 2013 at 8:33 PM

    I would even go that MarTAN SannnnnnnnLOOOOOOOOOOOOUIE !

  5. crosberries - Apr 10, 2013 at 8:36 PM

    Sid just did this to make the voting even remotely close

    • eigglesnosuperbowls - Apr 10, 2013 at 8:38 PM

      Did he really ??????????

  6. steelers88 - Apr 10, 2013 at 8:44 PM

    I say yes if he finishes with the most points he should defiantly win it but if Stamkos or Ovi then he doesn’t deserve to win it.

  7. btlpper68 - Apr 10, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    Well Crosby still leads the league in PTs and he Has not played in a week and a half look how well he has boosted the play of Kunitz and how consistent he has been if anyone STAMKOS will win it just because ovechkin has come on lately dosent make him mvp

  8. sampulls - Apr 10, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    Crosby will win….not even close.

    • therealjr - Apr 10, 2013 at 8:53 PM

      I hate the Penguins and can’t stand Crosby. And…you are right.

      • canucks30 - Apr 10, 2013 at 9:20 PM

    • canucks30 - Apr 10, 2013 at 9:44 PM

      ^^^ Crosby’s reaction upon Ovechkin winning the Hart Trophy

  9. rsl22 - Apr 10, 2013 at 8:49 PM

    The argument against Ovechkin is that he skipped the first 12 games of the season. If that’s why you wouldn’t vote for Ovechkin, then Crosby missing last 12 games should be similarly availing.

    • JoeAvg - Apr 10, 2013 at 9:18 PM

      Missing games when you’re on the IR is little bit different than missing them when you’re on the ice.

      • stakex - Apr 10, 2013 at 11:41 PM

        Thats a fair point. Its also fair to point out however that Ovechkin was dealing with a new coach, system, position, and sub-par linemates for the first half of the season. Once everything clicked, and he was put back together with a true number one center in Backstrom, hes been lights out.

        Is also worth pointing out that Ovechkins slump only serves to highlight his value to the Caps. Without him playing like he is right now, the Caps were in last place…. hes caught fire, and pretty much single handed has clawed the Caps back into the playoff picture. If hes not there, and not playing like he is right now, the Caps probably wouldn’t even be in the playoff discussion right now.

        Not saying hes going to win the Heart, but his early slump isn’t going to disqualify him from it.

      • steelpenbucs87 - Apr 11, 2013 at 9:08 AM

        Stakex I understand your logic on the linemates, but to provide a counter point – some (myself included) would argue that the ability to elevate the play of average and below average players is the hallmark of an MVP – the ability to make those around him, and by virtue the team, more successful.

        The fact that it took him being paired with better players to even come into the discussion I think hurts his consideration.

      • jpelle82 - Apr 11, 2013 at 9:38 AM

        mvp’s dont let circumstances dictate their play on the ice. you making these excuses for ovechkin like new coach, new system is garbage. starting the conversation for his candidacy but first making excuses for poor play doesnt bode well for his chances. just because ovechkin has the IQ of a gnat and needed time to learn something other than shoot through a defender’s legs from the top of the left circle doesnt give him an excuse for playing poorly when he is out there, he had all summer and a lockout to make himself better. backstrom’s neck was stiff and he was playing like crap to start the year too, you wanna add that to your list of excuses for why ovechkin should win the hart too?

      • blackfoot11 - Apr 11, 2013 at 11:43 AM

        @jpelle… Overcoming circumstances is the one of many attributes of an MVP. I understand you have your qualms with Ovi, but he has overcome adversity and is playing damn well right now. There is no excuses for his early lack of production, but as the Caps, grasped Oates system better, they began putting wins together and Ovi is leading the way. Ovi has incorporated new moves/ice positions and has defenses guessing all over again. Watch the games and you will see. He is scoring from different spots on the ice. Hell, Oates needs to be in the discussion for the Jack Adams, for what he has done with the Caps, mainly getting Ovi back on track.

      • jpelle82 - Apr 11, 2013 at 12:36 PM

        blackfoot, you are making my point for me. it only took him 2 1/2 years to start doing things differently and start scoring from other places on the ice. i watch the games when the pens arent on and i still catch up with nhl on the fly every night. i do aknowledge he is scoring from other places on the ice though. if he keeps it up, he will be a shoo-in for the hart next year with this kind of production, i just cant justify him earning it for what is effectively a hot streak in the second half of a 48 game season. its an impressive run he is on, but a hot streak does not make an mvp. he isnt even the mvp on his own team IMO, ribeiro has been the best cap from day 1, he was playing with a new coach, new team and team mates, new system and it didnt hamper him one bit despite the fact that seems to be the leading argument for ovechkin’s struggles – he is on a career high pace. ovechkin cant say the same, he would be on pace for 90 pts if it were 82 games which would be his 3rd lowest total in 8 seasons.

      • blackfoot11 - Apr 11, 2013 at 1:29 PM

        jpelle, I can understand your perspective about Ovi’s past production in relationship to how this season has played out. I think Ovi revealed a key component to his improved play and relationship with Oates in an earlier article, “Trust”. This is something he lost with Boudreau and never established with Hunter in the past 2 years. Oates is a big reason why Ovi is a points machine again. In all seriousness, forget the damn Hart trophy, I just want a Cup.

    • fbothharbaughs - Apr 11, 2013 at 12:21 PM

      dxcept for the fact that Ovechkin skipped the first 12 games of the season because he was trying to see if Oates deserved his “trust”. Hard to give an MVP award to a one-way player…

    • fbothharbaughs - Apr 11, 2013 at 12:23 PM

      except for the fact that Ovi skipped the first half of the season because he was trying to ascertain whether Oates deserved his “trust”. Hard to award an MVP to a one-way player…

  10. JoeAvg - Apr 10, 2013 at 8:54 PM

    The time missed is a factor but he’s been head and shoulders above everybody from day one. Ovi has come on lately but spent half the season in nowhere land. Tavares & Bobrovsky may fit the definition of the award itself the best, most valuable to his team, but we all know that’s not how the award is voted on. Stamkos is the only other real consideration.

  11. wisdomnfl - Apr 10, 2013 at 9:04 PM

    Why are fans of irrelevant teams like Philly so interested in this? Sounds like a crush to me.

  12. thehighcountrybear - Apr 10, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    No

  13. kcprof926 - Apr 10, 2013 at 9:23 PM

    I like Tavares but is anyone watching what Patrick Kane has done to the Hawks? There is the MVP

    • canucks30 - Apr 10, 2013 at 9:53 PM

    • chanceoffleury1 - Apr 10, 2013 at 11:20 PM

      He’s not even the MVP on his own team. Two words: Jonathan. Toews.

  14. steelers88 - Apr 10, 2013 at 9:46 PM

    Wait will Crosby even be ready or play in the playoffs?

    • blackfoot11 - Apr 11, 2013 at 11:47 AM

      NHL Live pre-game last night reported that Crosby’s return will likely be at the start of the playoffs with a jaw shield. Although there is speculation of a face cage, but that depends on the doctors.

  15. rushledger - Apr 10, 2013 at 10:07 PM

    Yeah still Crosby, hoping he plays a few more to keep the rest at bay.

  16. nyrnashty - Apr 10, 2013 at 10:29 PM

    Crosby is the assist man. I don’t mind him, I really don’t but he only has one 50 goal season in the NHL to date. He’s a great playmaker, but everyone remembers great goal scorers. Everyone remembers Brett Hull not so much Adam Oates. I’d have to pick Ovechkin this year. Look where his team is since he picked his game up and he doesn’t have the supporting cast that Crosby does. Lundqvist is my second choice and I don’t have to explain why! All hail the King!!!!!

    • chanceoffleury1 - Apr 10, 2013 at 11:42 PM

      I guess it’s a good thing you don’t vote for the Hart trophy then. Why would Sid shoot the puck when he has 3 of the top 10 goal scorers in the league on his team? Kunitz, Dupuis, and Neal are all fantastic finishers. He is with at least 2 of those guys at any given time on the power play or even strength.

    • therealjr - Apr 11, 2013 at 12:35 AM

      It pains me to have to keep defending Crosby but you have no idea what you are talking about.

      1) He was on a 34 goal pace this season. That’s easily top 20 and near top 10 in most seasons.

      2) His career G/g is .506. His 50 goal was an outlier but that doesn’t mean he isn’t 30-40 goal material annually. He has the 11th most goals in the NHL since entering the league. He is 5th in G/g since entering the league.

      3) Oates had 371 goals in 1337 regular season games. Crosby has 238 goals in 478 games. He will likely surpass Oates goal total in just over half as many games, so that analogy is baseless.

      I guess the blind love for Lundqvist should have tipped me off.

    • hockeywithdrawal - Apr 11, 2013 at 8:03 AM

      Key words….”since he picked his game up”. Ovi’s an amazing athlete when he feels like being an amazing athlete. He’s definitely the MVP of his team when he feels like being that. He’s also a virus to his team when he feels like being one. Goes with the territory of being as gifted as he is.

      He’s been both an MVP and a virus this year – if he keeps scoring he’ll win the Rachard, and that’s that.

    • itripledogdareyou - Apr 11, 2013 at 1:43 PM

      nyrnashty – Considering the discussion is about the MVP award, I would think pure goal scoring vs. points leader/playmaker would actually make Crosby a stronger candidate. It certainly makes him more valuable to his team. Also, I don’t think Crosby is worried about not being remembered as a goal scorer when his career is over.

  17. csilojohnson - Apr 10, 2013 at 10:54 PM

    Big difference in games missed. Ovi was on the ice and just as invisible as Sid not being in the building. Stamkos wins IF he passes in points. If not it has to go to Crosby. Proves the point more if he still leads. Plus its the Hart not the Rocket. Stamkos scores a lot but look at their record. (You can’t say its a lack of talent on the team) Sid makes everyone he playsbwith better. WAY better. Like top five scoring better. (Undrafted wingers no less) Id say Tavares over Stampkos. He has been carrying the Islanders.

    • stakex - Apr 10, 2013 at 11:36 PM

      The Heart has nothing what so ever to do with points. Its about what player has the most value to their team.

      …and Stamkos will never win it with his team in the basement.

      • chanceoffleury1 - Apr 11, 2013 at 12:00 AM

        But the leading scorers of the league are usually pretty important to their team even if the rest of the team is pretty good. Just ask the Pens or Ducks who have each only won 1 of their last 4 in regulation since losing Crosby and Getzlaf, respectively.

  18. bobhpine - Apr 11, 2013 at 12:14 AM

    It’s crosby or stamkos and the lightning aren’t even making the playoffs…the pens are fighting for the presidents trophy because of Sid.

    This is easy.

  19. orangandblack - Apr 11, 2013 at 12:21 AM

    My opinion, Tavares should win it. He is doing more for a team with much less talent than Stamkos is. But if Sid was healthy, it would just be race for second place. And yes, it did hurt to say that.

    • hockeywithdrawal - Apr 11, 2013 at 8:04 AM

      JT’s been amazing. Agreed -

  20. ironcity6pak - Apr 11, 2013 at 9:06 AM

    87 by a landslide.

  21. mclovinhockey - Apr 11, 2013 at 9:32 AM

    Not like the pens wouldn’t be where they are now without Sid… Also not like he couldn’t toss on a cage and keep playing like every other player who breaks his jaw.

    • yankeehawk - Apr 11, 2013 at 10:22 AM

      Probably should be Crosby…..but if not,and you’re talking about team MVP……I say Jonathan Toews….he does it all for the “Hawks…

  22. 19to77 - Apr 11, 2013 at 10:38 AM

    I’ll throw it out there since no goalies have been mentioned… without Bobrovsky, the Jackets are dead-last in the West. With him, they’re still battling for the final seed. If the Jackets make it into the playoffs, he should be considered. I don’t think he’d win with Crosby’s insane scoring pace to consider, but think about this: for most of the season, the Jackets have had a bottom-ranked offense and still won games. Seriously, hovering between 25th and 30th in goals-for all season and Bob stole one-goal game after one-goal game.

    Of course, that only applies if he keeps them in the race to the end. They’re still an outside shot for the playoffs at this moment.

  23. trick9 - Apr 13, 2013 at 10:58 AM

    This question is a no-brainer. No.

    Why? Hart is meant to be given to the most valuable player and it’s clearly not Crosby despite him dominating when healthy. Penguins keep winning with or without him and that is the biggest reason why he shouldn’t win it.

    Ovechkin, Stamkos, Bobrovsky and Kane all better choices.

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