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Report: Flyers GM Holmgren ‘not going anywhere’

Mar 18, 2013, 11:17 AM EDT

Paul Holmgren

Last week, it was Flyers coach Peter Laviolette getting a vote of confidence from his general manager, Paul Holmgren.

This week, it’s Holmgren himself getting the thumbs up.

Granted, there’s no name attached to the thumbs — but we assume the Inquirer’s “source close to the situation” is qualified to comment.

“Look at his body of work. He’s done a very good job,” the source said of Holmgren. “He’s not going anywhere.”

Holmgren’s body of work includes amassing talented young forwards like Claude Giroux, Jakub Voracek, Brayden Schenn, Sean Couturier, Wayne Simmonds, and Matt Read.

On the other hand, goaltending and defense remain question marks.

Speaking of the defense, Kimmo Timonen will play his 1,000th game tonight in Tampa Bay, the same day he turns 38 years old.

Timonen leads all Flyers defensemen with 19 points and is second behind Braydon Coburn in average ice time (21:16). In February, he signed a one-year contract extension.

After tonight’s game, Philadelphia doesn’t play again until Sunday in Pittsburgh.

  1. mario66sid87geno71 - Mar 18, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    As a Pens, fan this is outstanding news!

    • hockeyfan28 - Mar 18, 2013 at 12:40 PM

      Did put together a team that beats you guys a lot the last couple years

      • sportsfreak13 - Mar 18, 2013 at 1:11 PM

        Just last year in the playoffs. 06/07 pens went 8-0 against the flyers in regular season, 07/08 pens eliminated flyers in playoffs, 08/09 pens eliminated flyers in playoffs. 2012 pens lost in playoffs to the flyers and now the pens are 2-1 against the flyers. Were not as scared of you guys as you would like to think. One playoff series and the flyers suddenly think their in our heads. Wonder how many flyer fans will keep bringing up 2012 playoffs if we beat you on the 24th and go 3-1 this season and pretty much end your playoff hopes that you barely our clinging to now.

      • phillyphlyersphan - Mar 18, 2013 at 2:31 PM

        just last year huh?

        Number of Meetings 262
        Series Leader PHI: 143–91-30

        Post Season Series 6, PHI: 4–2 (.667)
        Post Season Games 35, PHI 19–16 (.543)
        Post Season History
        1989 PDF Flyers won, 4–3
        1997 ECQF Flyers won, 4–1
        2000 ECSF Flyers won, 4–2
        2008 ECF Penguins won, 4–1
        2009 ECQF Penguins won, 4–2
        2012 ECQF Flyers won, 4–2

        i bet that last one still hurts

      • sportsfreak13 - Mar 18, 2013 at 3:19 PM

        Not really. I dont live in the past. Im just sick of hearing from flyer fans talk about the 2012 playoffs because thats all you guys have, unless you bring up the entire history, if thats the case then pens fans bring up that you guys havent won since 1975 and we get to hear about bankruptcy bla bla bla. I like discussing the 2 teams that are playing right now and the fact is were 2-1 and number 1 in the east and your number 11 in the east (last in the atlantic) and most likely not making the playoffs. I dont let the past bug me because i cant change it.The crosby era has fared quite well against the flyers and that must hurt huh?

      • DonkeyStick - Mar 18, 2013 at 3:42 PM

        Stanley Cups in my life time ZERO. Pittsburgh fans win argument every time

      • phillyphlyersphan - Mar 18, 2013 at 4:26 PM

        Thats a terrible argument. You bring up how they won in 2008 and 2009 then pretend that 2012 doesn’t count. You come into this thread about Paul turning the team around and dig this kind of trash up? Paul took over the team in 2008 as head GM and took the team to the cup in 2010, you forget about that one too? The flyers were at the cup last, not the pens. So to stay on point with the original post, yes the flyers HAVE beat you guys a lot the last couple years, in fact its this season that seems to be the odd one out since paul took over. I agree with you, the crosby era has been good to pitt but that doesn’t change the fact how much they struggle against philadelphia. So just do everyone a favor and take it down a notch. The ’12 season really did happen and it wasn’t just a bad dream. It was Paul that put that team together and if you want to start talking about 07/08, 08/09 then ill show you the history before that.

      • DonkeyStick - Mar 18, 2013 at 4:46 PM

        I’m a Flyers fan and I’ll say it again…until they win a cup in MY LIFETIME, Pittsburgh, New York, Boston, EVEN FREAKING TAMPA BAY LIGNTNING AND CAROLINA HURRICANE fans win the argument everytime.

      • sportsfreak13 - Mar 18, 2013 at 4:47 PM

        You missed my point entirely phillyphlyersfan. I was responding orginally to hockeyfan28 who said he put together a team that beats you guys alot the last couple of years. I was just pointing out that 2012 playoffs aside that isn’t entirely true. Congrats on 2012 im not ashamed of it even though i am a die hard pens fans. We lost it happens. I just am sick of flyer fans getting cocky because of that series saying they have our #. I don’t like to run my mouth to any team before any game because hockey is so unpredicatable that anyone can beat anyone else any given game. I understand that the 2012 playoff win against was like the cup for you guys im just asking that you tone it down when we play you guys because in all retrospect that series is history just like 08 is, and 09’s. Time to play in the present, and in the present your teams not that good. When your team plays ours yes the games are close but if we dont get into penalty trouble i think you can admit out of the 6 periods so far this season the pens have dominated 4 of them, but you wont here me saying the pens have the flyers # because when we play the games are always close. Thats what makes it a great rivalary.

      • 2jivecrew - Mar 18, 2013 at 9:34 PM

        No, PhillyPhlyersPhan……….you didn’t get to the Cup in 2010. You came up short and lost. Which means you may as well have finished last with the rest of the teams that didn’t win the Cup. Only a Flyers fan would try to use getting to the Finals as some sort of trump card over a team that actually WON a cup in recent history (not to mention getting there twice in a row in doing so). But I guess that happens when your team hasn’t won anything since the Gerald Ford administration. Typical red-headed stepchild second best inferiority complex in Philly we’ve all come to know and love. Maybe that’s why you guys are always in the gutter lashing out at the world in embarrassingly juvenile fashion. And that’s why the country loves to hate you.

    • hockeyfan28 - Mar 18, 2013 at 4:36 PM

      The Flyers and Penguins both entered the league at the same time one had to file for bankruptcy and needed the financial support of the other to survive the other one didn’t.

      • sportsfreak13 - Mar 18, 2013 at 5:43 PM

        One has a city of 250,000. One has a city of 2.5 million. Whats your point? This arguement is as stupid as the 1975 arguement. If you cant make valid hockey points about today teams and only are bringing up facts from the past then it says alot about the way your current team is playing doesn’t it?

      • hockeyfan28 - Mar 18, 2013 at 6:49 PM

        That argument holds no water Detroit has a population of 750,000 and has been good for nearly two decades we traded our backup goalie and he never lost a game to you guys in your own building how’s that? Typical Penguins fan how far back do you want to go? Since Crosby was drafted? Do you even know how bad that franchise was before he got there and how Gary Bettman made sure they “lucked” out getting the number pick post lockout in the draft lottery to get him

      • sportsfreak13 - Mar 18, 2013 at 6:58 PM

        Sure 500,000 not a big difference. I see you’r a conspiracy theorist nut (Crosby draft was rigged and all) so I’m not going to waste my time debating with you. Good luck in the offseason. That will be approaching a lot quicker for your team then others.

      • hockeyfan28 - Mar 18, 2013 at 7:18 PM

        That’s cause you lost argument the moral of the story is your team needed our team for a rivalry a heck of a lot more then our team needed your team and that didn’t come from me that came from your very own goalie Marc Andre Fleury himself

      • sportsfreak13 - Mar 18, 2013 at 7:21 PM

        I’m curious now can you show me that quote? I guess that comes back to the whole big market vs small market debate. Funny the smaller market has more cups.

      • hockeyfan28 - Mar 18, 2013 at 7:28 PM

        he basically said around 2009 when they where talking realignment that the penguins needed to be in the same division with the flyers cause of the intense rivalry and that they needed those games not surprised at that time he played well against Philly since then he hasn’t been able to stop a basketball

      • sportsfreak13 - Mar 18, 2013 at 7:36 PM

        He meant we need those game for rivalry purposes for the sport, not so we sell out. We have 270 consecutive sell outs and we have played teams not named the flyers during that span. It’s a great rivalry and to put them in different divisions would be stupid for everyone involved. Speaking of goalies and beach balls, enjoy Bryz contract.

      • hockeyfan28 - Mar 19, 2013 at 12:22 AM

        Well there is two amnesty buyouts guess who gets one of them

    • eigglesnosuperbowls - Mar 18, 2013 at 5:35 PM

      Why ? You lose to him all the time !

  2. steelpenbucs87 - Mar 18, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    Holmgren is a really interesting case as a GM, but I feel like the latest chapter is still being written. He undertook a difficult task in trying to remake a team without going through a full rebuilding process two off-seasons ago with the moves around Richards and Carter. The haul he got for those guys is pretty good, but trying to analyze it in a vacuum is somewhat silly.

    I think getting Simmonds and Voracek have been obviously strong moves – both seem to have a good deal of talent and an arrow pointing up.I think the jury is still out on the Schenns. I don’t like Luke, personally, I think he is more of a liability than he is worth. Brayden was supposed to be the guy in the Richards deal, but I think he’s had trouble finding his game. I also think the jury is still out on Coutorier – had a great run in the playoffs but still not sure he is the two way center some people believe.

    The signing of Bryz… well who knows – if he ever gets his head on straight that could be helpful, but as of now I think one has to put this one in the negative column (more because of the money than the performance).

    The fact of the matter is Holmgren should be judged by the development of the young forwards (Simmonds and Voracek looking good, jury still out on Coutorier and Schenn), his ability to add defense to a team that needs it (giving up JVR for Schenn is poving to be a mistake), and whether or not they can figure out how to get Bryz back on track.

    • hockeydon10 - Mar 18, 2013 at 11:44 AM

      Q: How to get Bryz back on track?
      A: Hire the goaltending coach from the Coyotes.

      Seriously, look what he did with Bryz, and now look at what he did with Mike Smith.

      • holeecowman - Mar 18, 2013 at 12:04 PM

        i have been saying that for years now… fire jeff reese how many goalies can the flyers go through with the same issues with different netminders, duh seems like a no brainer but somebody is blind to the real issue.

  3. phillyphanatic77 - Mar 18, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    The Pronger injury and the Bryzgalov signing are the black marks on Holmgren’s resume over the past few years. But I’d agree with the article, he’s done an excellent job retooling the roster since taking over following the disastrous 06-07 season. Most will blame him for failing to replace Pronger, but it’s not for a lack of trying. #1 defensemen are the premium position in the league today, maybe even moreso than goaltenders, and the ill-timed loss of Pronger threw a wrench in the structure of the entire roster. A defense corps of Pronger, Timonen, Schenn, Grossmann, Coburn, and Mezsaros is very solid. But without that top defenseman everyone moves up a slot, to a position they don’t belong. And we’ve seen the results. Unless Bryz plays like he did Friday this team will struggle.

    • miketoasty - Mar 18, 2013 at 11:41 AM

      I think the Flyers could have very well been a top 5 team over the last 2 years had it not been for the Pronger injury. On the flip side, I think if Letang was injured on the Penguins, and they wouldn’t have had him since day one of this season, I see them in the same place as Philly is now, maybe a tad bit higher just because Crosby/Malkin, but nonetheless losing your top D man for a long period of time is a recipe for disaster.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Mar 18, 2013 at 11:54 AM

        Agreed. People tend to talk about how poor the D has played this year, but they forget that the group was assembled with idea of having Pronger as the anchor. In fact, he was supposed to anchor the entire roster. Would the Bruins be a shell of themselves if Chara went down? I’d say so because their D isn’t all that special beyond the captain. How about the Preds without Weber? I know they’re not that great this season, but they’d be lost without Weber. Pronger was supposed to captain until he retired on his own terms. Instead his career is ended on a freak play and the Flyers are stuck trying to pick up the pieces. I mean look at all Holmgren had to give up to get Pronger, so it’s been a monumental task to try and replace him.

      • crosberries - Mar 18, 2013 at 11:57 AM

        It’s a sign of weakness to sit there and say well if we had a player who’s never coming back then we would be better. Every team deals with injuries but they refuse to move on from this and keep blame on it.

      • crosberries - Mar 18, 2013 at 11:58 AM

        It’s a sign of weakness to sit there and say well if we had a player who’s never coming back then we would be better. Every team deals with injuries but they refuse to move on from this and keep blame on it. Maybe instead of trying to keep stacking offensive minded players you should have gone out and got some young d talent

      • phillyphanatic77 - Mar 18, 2013 at 12:13 PM

        Okay crosberries let’s see how much the Pens miss Letang if he’s out for an extended period. Would you be bitter if you lost a hall of fame dman to a freak injury that threw your whole defensive gameplan into shambles? It’s easy to criticize when your team is on top. But would you be whining if Crosby took a headshot that forced his retirement? Cause I’m positive we’d never hear the end of the “what ifs” from the Pittsburgh faithful. Again I’d liken this loss to the Bruins losing Chara to a career ending injury. It was that devastating to the Flyers organization.

      • pajabroni - Mar 18, 2013 at 2:59 PM

        The pens went without 87 and 71 for more than half the season and still were one of the best teams in the league. Pretty sure those two injuries are worse than just losing letang.

        Good teams overcome injuries. Right now, I would never call philly a good team.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Mar 18, 2013 at 4:48 PM

        Losing a number 1 dman is way worse than losing a forward, no matter how productive that forward is. Without Letang you will see the Pens suffer a significant dropoff on the backend. And they weren’t very deep back there to begin with.

      • flyersfan4life - Mar 18, 2013 at 7:04 PM

        The loss of Pronger is definitely a killer to this team and a hard thing to remedy because getting a replacement will cost a lot in terms of money and player/picks. Philly could go the way of the Pens and start sandbagging to get more chances at the top pick for the next few seasons but, unlike the Pens organization the Flyers organization won’t resort to such low means to build a team. As we all know from past experience, the Pens fans would turn their backs on the Pens if they went into a prolonged losing streak. Hell they have been in the league as long as the Flyers and have filed for bankruptcy twice and have talked relocation twice while Philadelphia has had no such problems in keeping a fan base or even having the money to keep the franchise out of financial problems. In the end this team while having a down season right now, will turn the corner and be back near the top. I’m still not counting them out of the playoffs yet because anything can happen and there is still plenty of games left to make it back into playoff contention.

      • 2jivecrew - Mar 18, 2013 at 10:27 PM

        PhillyPhanatic……Pronger was in the twilight of his career by the time he got to Philly. Let’s not try and pretend he was still playing at a HOF level. In fact The Pens made him look stupid in the short time they did get with him before he went down. Crosby skated circles around him.

  4. valoisjoeybfeld69 - Mar 18, 2013 at 11:57 AM

    A goalie with a messed head needs a psychologist. A goalie that needs to fine tune his craft needs a goalie coach. Can’t blame Holmgren for this because Bryz was playing well before joining the flyers.

  5. jimw81 - Mar 18, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    Looks like Ed Snider told his inner circle has given him the vote of confidence, inwhich means, him and lavy are done at the end of year. Ron Hextall will be the next gm of this club and restore the fundamentals back to this team.

  6. manmean - Mar 18, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    We are never going to win another Cup until the Flyers start thinking outside of the box.

  7. billobrienschindimple - Mar 18, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    So, while Crosby was out for an extended period, it was a regular occurrence for Flyers fans to constantly give Pens fans crap, and bash them for saying “Sid is hurt”. Now that the roles have reversed we are supposed to pity your team for not having depth. I think not. Keep in mind, we still made the playoffs without Sid.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Mar 18, 2013 at 12:41 PM

      It’s a lot different losing a hall of fame dman to a CAREER-ENDING injury. Everyone knows the Pens have the offensive firepower to stay afloat without Crosby or Malkin, but what happens if Letang is now seriously injured? That’s an irreplaceable element in their lineup. And no one’s asking for pity from Pens fans, of all people, I just think it’s a legitimate point to say this Flyers team (over the past year and a half) would have a completely different dynamic with Pronger in the lineup. They would have a crease-clearing presence 5-on-5, a rocket shot on the PP, and top-notch penalty killer. Plus, the defensive pairings would even out. Not to mention a captain who knows what it takes to win a Stanley Cup. That’s an irreplaceable loss.

      • pitpenguinsrulez - Mar 18, 2013 at 1:45 PM

        Yeah Pronger sure did lead the Flyers to a Stanley Cup win in 2010…NOT

      • phillyphanatic77 - Mar 18, 2013 at 4:11 PM

        I was clearly referring to his Cup victory in ANAHEIM, not to mention his other visits to the finals.

      • miketoasty - Mar 18, 2013 at 5:28 PM

        Just so everyone knows I’m a Pens fan, and I understand where Philly fans are coming from, not all pens are as stupid to think that losing Crosby for half a season is the same as losing Pronger for the rest of his career.

  8. sgtr0c - Mar 18, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    You can have the top ten forwards on a team and still lose. The last two off seasons were Bryz and then the Weber whiff. He got them into this, and he is safe? Their tale of the game is the same this year as last, can score a bunch but cannot stop anyone, prolly out in the first round, if they make it. It is the gm.

  9. pitpenguinsrulez - Mar 18, 2013 at 1:48 PM

    Just like the Washington Capitals, the Flyers have always had issues at Goalie which is one reason why neither team goes far in the playoffs


    • ml3939 - Mar 18, 2013 at 2:18 PM

      Um, this only in response to your idiocy but the Flyers have made it to the cup final 8 times and the conference finals another 8 times on top of that. I count the Pens making it to 4 cup finals and 3 conference finals on top of that. I guess the only “always” here is, you have “always” sucked at math.

  10. ml3939 - Mar 18, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    I would wager good money on Bryz being an Ed Snyder move more than a Holmgren move. This dates back to Bobby Clarke going cheap on goaltenders. Clarke had a chance to get Joseph or Richter and opted for the Beezer who was a shell of himself. Also in Clarke’s tenure, he tried to go the cheap route with Hextall 2.0 which wasn’t very good, Garth Snow and his 2×4 enhanced equipment, head case Bob Esche and an even bigger head case and outstanding in the regular season Roman Cechmanek.

    Question his moves on defense all you want, but Holmgren acquired Timonen, Coburn and Grossman all of whom have been extremely productive in their roles. Losing a player like Pronger is immeasurable. He plays nearly half a game in the playoffs and when it really matters. He completely changes the dynamic of the team.

  11. killerpgh - Mar 18, 2013 at 3:25 PM

    There were many reports that the Flyers and the Predator were trying to work out a trade for Weber and Homer grew tired of trying to work out details of who they would give up in return. So instead he tried bullying the small market team by front loading the deal thinking they couldn’t match. Well they could and did. Homer cost his team a number 1 defenseman by thinking he could force them into giving in to something they didn’t want to do.

    • biasedhomer - Mar 18, 2013 at 7:55 PM

      How did he cost them a #1 dman?

      He took a shot at trying to get one, but there are plenty of teams that the Preds could trade Weber to if they had him on the block. They could have started a bidding war.

      It was no guarantee that if Weber hit free agency or was available for trade, he would be on the Flyers.

      • killerpgh - Mar 18, 2013 at 9:20 PM
        From that and other articles out around the time makes it sound like they were working on a trade to get the Flyers the number 1 d-man than needed. So instead of continuing to work on the trade he tried forcing their hand and it didn’t work and it cost the Flyers the number 1 d-man they were looking for.

  12. chrisk61 - Mar 18, 2013 at 3:45 PM

    overall holmgren was done a good job. and i don’t think he operates independently anyway. he most likely gets input from snider and luukko and could even execute the strategy the other — particularly snider–want. he has been aggressive — trading for pronger, trading richards and carter, signing bryz, trading jvr — are all pretty ballsy moves. the key issue with the flyers is their D hasn’t recovered from the pronger injury. maybe meszaros gets better as season goes on, but no pronger leaves a big void. and i think the jury is still out on the bryz deal. i guess you could say it is trending negatively, as he certainly hasn’t been consistent. but overall you can’t blame holmgren for the pronger injury. big, elite defensemen are rare and the flyers had one even if he was old.

    also regarding the incessant pens vs flyers argument, bottom line is flyers currently have bragging rights because the eliminates pens last yr. regular season record is not really that important. so we will have to wait til this yr’s playoffs for the bragging rights to possibly change.

  13. mj1818 - Mar 18, 2013 at 9:03 PM

    They really need to unload and re-tool they have no heart and the city hates them. Maybe they should sell to Seattle they would be better off there.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Mar 18, 2013 at 9:31 PM

      The city hates them? Are you out of your mind? There’s no way in hell a Philadelphia sports team, especially the Flyers, would EVER leave for “greener pastures”.

  14. broadstbully33 - Mar 18, 2013 at 9:49 PM

    Pens fans ruin this site. Sportsfreak withdrawl crosberies etc just spew hate and talk out there a$$ on every flyers article. I’m embarrassed for you.

    • sportsfreak13 - Mar 18, 2013 at 10:00 PM

      Haha I’m embarrassed for your team’s record. I was just making a logical hockey related comment. Not trolling, which you do after every pens loss (all 9 of them).

  15. 950003cups - Mar 18, 2013 at 9:58 PM

    Neither are the Flyers.

  16. broadstbully33 - Mar 18, 2013 at 10:14 PM

    I haven’t posted in a while because I’m sick of you and your other screen names saying the same bs over and over again. I skip the comment sections most of the time now and surprise surprise the first 2 comments on a flyers article are pens trolls. Get a life your just annoying at this point.

    • sportsfreak13 - Mar 18, 2013 at 10:38 PM

      You haven’t posted in awhile because the pens haven’t lost in awhile. True story.

  17. Anthony Maiorana - Mar 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM

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