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How worried should Flyers be after ’embarrassing’ defeat?

Mar 8, 2013, 9:52 AM EDT

PHILADELPHIA, PA - MARCH 07: The Pittsburgh Penguins celebrate a second period goal in front of Danny Briere #48 of the Philadelphia Flyers at the Wells Fargo Center on March 7, 2013 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. (Photo by Drew Hallowell/Getty Images) Getty Images

The Philadelphia Flyers didn’t just cough up a three-goal lead against the rival Pittsburgh Penguins on Thursday.

They let another two points slip out of their fingers and suffered their second loss in a row, sapping whatever momentum they had built over the last few weeks.

With a 11-13-1 record, they are only three points shy of a playoff spot, but have played in three more games than the eighth place New York Rangers. On top of that, the surging Washington Capitals are breathing down their necks, threatening to climb above them in the standings.

In other words, the Flyers have a hole to dig themselves out of, and only 23 games left to do it in.

Thursday’s contest was perhaps a microcosm of their problems this season. They showed flashes of what the team is capable of, but they couldn’t sustain it for a full 60 minutes.

“We talked about it after the first period that the Pittsburgh Penguins weren’t going to sit back and hand over two points,” Scott Hartnell said in a CSN Philly report. “They were going to come hard.

“Low and behold, before you know it, it’s 4-4. We just can’t do that. It’s embarrassing to the fans, embarrassing to one another, and we let another two points slip away … It was a big letdown. I don’t know why we would have stopped playing.”

Hartnell’s statement echoed Flyers captain Claude Giroux‘s complaints last month that his team was “just going through the motions” and not competing for the complete 60 minutes.

All the same, the Flyers are down, but certainly not out.

Injuries have been a factor, but most of their key players are back now. With that in mind, maybe they can find some measure of redemption in Boston on Saturday.

“Go into Boston with a do-or-die attitude,” Hartnell said. “We’ve been saying it but now it’s time to get out there and back up our words and get a decisive win.

“We played a great 20, but 20 doesn’t get you anything these days.”

  1. flyeredup - Mar 8, 2013 at 10:00 AM

    The JVR trade for Braden Schenn will cripple us for 11 years. Fire Lavy!

    • sewell1977 - Mar 8, 2013 at 10:04 AM

      Yeah, that Brayden Schenn trade was awful….

    • danaking - Mar 8, 2013 at 10:04 AM

      I can’t speak to how Schenn is playing, but as a Penguins fan, I was delighted to see the Flyers trade JVR. He killed us.

    • kneary47 - Mar 8, 2013 at 10:11 AM

      wish we would have gotten Luke Schenn instead of Brayden in that deal. maybe then it would have worked out

    • phillyphlyersphan - Mar 8, 2013 at 10:16 AM

      It wasn’t braden schenn, it was luke schenn and getting that guy was is the second best thing this season behind watching bryz improve as much as he has. The last thing we needed this year was another under performing foward like JVR on our squad. He looks great in Toronto but i he needed that trade to fire that guy up.

      • irishphilly87 - Mar 8, 2013 at 12:26 PM

        dude are you smoking something? watching Bryz improve? what are you watching? That was over a month ago. He was improving the first 2 weeks of the season and has been his mediocre self the last month. I’m sick of him. I’m sick of his defense in front of him too. They extended Timmonen’s contract? Get off the team you’re useless. He’s on the ice for practically every goal against. I want to cry sometimes seeing the Flyers. They have so much offensive talent and young talent, but we always have had goalie issues for my 25 year lifetime. I cant take it anymore… I watch teams like the Boston Bruins suck my whole lifetime to the point that Mr. Boston himself Ray Bourque asked to be traded to have a chance at a Cup and they continued to suck for 15 years after that, now all the sudden they come out of nowhere and win a cup in 2010 because they’re goalie Tim Thomas was unbelievable. Why cant that happen to the Flyers? They’ve been one of the most consistently good teams in the NHL for 40 years. I’m 25 and I watched a team in 97′ that theres no doubt in my mind if they had better goaltending than GARTH SNOW they’d have won the cup. in 2009 we camee back from 3-0 deficit to the Bruins and won in 7 and we were destined to win the cup but once again goalie problems prevented it. Boucher and Leighton couldnt get the job done and we lost game 6 of the Cup. Thats at LEAST 2 Cups i should have witnessed as a Flyers fan. Somethings gota change I cant keep seeing this crappy goaltending especially when we have so much talent around them.

      • ibieiniid - Mar 8, 2013 at 1:04 PM

        irishphilly…. I’m sorry but on PHT, as a Flyers fan whining about not winning a cup, attacking other teams, and not knowing the difference between ‘their’ and ‘they’re’…. you’re asking to be made fun of.

      • jimeejohnson - Mar 8, 2013 at 1:18 PM

        He’s smoking something.

      • supercoop8 - Mar 8, 2013 at 1:40 PM

        15 years after the bourque trade is the fuuuuttttuuurrreee. Irishphilly is obviously a terminator.
        The bruins were terrible after the lockout but led the conference before it. They were also up and down in the 90s but to say they have always sucked is a joke, if the flyers knew how to play team defense the main reason the kings and the bruins won the cup then you would figure out why “so much offensive talent and young talent” aren’t enough.

      • phillyphlyersphan - Mar 8, 2013 at 3:57 PM

        I dont care how much you think bryz needs to improve to be the savior of the team but if you cant see how much bryz has improved this year over last its because your blinded by your own tears. Hes not great but with how much we signed him for we are stuck with him forever so any improvement is a gift from god. If it wasnt being squandered by lack of offense this club would be in playoff contention. Stop crying over the last 25 years of goalie problems, because its not the problem this year, its the 5 guys in front.

    • crosberries - Mar 8, 2013 at 2:31 PM

      Scott Hartnell is the dirtiest cheapest player in the game

      • coopjr - Mar 8, 2013 at 3:10 PM

        I know. I love that guy too.

      • uscthom78 - Mar 9, 2013 at 3:05 AM

        He falls down alot too. Very Euro-soccer-style of drawing penalties.

    • flyeredup202 - Mar 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM

      You are an idiot, please dont say US when you dont even know who we traded JVR for….. let me guess that richards trade for vorachek was ingenius right???? If you know know the sport go play on sports yapper!!!

  2. jpelle82 - Mar 8, 2013 at 10:01 AM

    cant get too down on yourselves because of THIS loss. pens flyers games are a crap shoot these days, anything can happen, either team could pretty much pull anything out of the hat anytime. they should be sore over the nyr loss and a bunch of other games they shouldve won but the pens can put a nickel up against anybody these days with ease it seems. i wouldnt say the flyers lost this one as much as the pens just came out in the second and won it. you look at the first voracek goal and the timmonen goal, easy stops on a good night for any goalie in the league, fleury just didnt have his game and the flyers got a false sense of confidence from it.

  3. djamesbart - Mar 8, 2013 at 10:04 AM

    4 pt swing for a team fighting for its playoff life?

  4. flyeredup - Mar 8, 2013 at 10:10 AM

    Oops, meant Like Schenn

  5. flyeredup - Mar 8, 2013 at 10:11 AM


    • yearsbehindhockey - Mar 8, 2013 at 10:42 AM

      go home flyeredup, youre drunk.

      • sheckyrimshot - Mar 8, 2013 at 12:45 PM

        can you blame him?

  6. jay744 - Mar 8, 2013 at 10:16 AM

    Flyers never led by 4

    • orangandblack - Mar 8, 2013 at 10:24 AM

      I think he’s refering to a 4 point swing in the standings, not on the scoreboard

  7. digbysellers - Mar 8, 2013 at 10:22 AM

    I’m getting sick and tired of reading Flyers articles here in Philly that are basically loaded up with cliches from every player they interview. How many times this year have Flyers fans heard “our backs are against the wall”, and “it’s embarrassing to the fans”, and “we let 2 points slip away”?! It’s the same thing over and over and over again all year long. I understand cliches are a players best friend in any sport, but whoever is supposedly leading this team needs to figure out what’s going on and actually have the players do something about it instead of just sulking after games and spitting out the same old song and dance they’ve been doing. So frustrating.

    • filadelphiaphlyers - Mar 8, 2013 at 10:57 AM

      Kinda like what giroux is saying about them just going through the motions. saying the cliché lines in every interview and thats about it.Maybe giroux is on to something.

    • whatthepuck2012 - Mar 8, 2013 at 12:08 PM

      You can watch Giroux’s post game crying interview. That’s kinda new.
      I won’t say anything other than: if that was Sid crying, Pens fans would never hear the end of it.

    • brainoflindros - Mar 8, 2013 at 4:36 PM

      4 goals 16 shots…that is not good.

  8. bgrillz - Mar 8, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    To be honest, I don’t think Philly even played a first 20 minutes. 3 of their 4 goals were soft weird goals. The first fluke was off martin through Fleury’s 5 hole. The second was the just flip towards the net, that Fleury again mishandled, and the last was the deflection goal that went 2 different directions. And to boot they had 3 power plays in the 1st. I think the first 20 was more how poorly Pittsburgh played, and less how Philly brought it. They just played poorly all around last night.

    • handsofsweed - Mar 8, 2013 at 6:14 PM

      Right. Paul Martin literally scored TWICE on Fleury and then Flower pulled a “Fleury Special”: that is, swallowing a puck with his chest and then somehow dropping it into his net with no offensive player anywhere near him.

      And that is the second straight game vs Philly that the Pens have scored multiple goals on their own goalie. What’s going to happen to Philly in this rivalry when Pittsburgh stops scoring own-goals?

  9. orangandblack - Mar 8, 2013 at 10:31 AM

    I don’t even know if I want to go to Sunday’s game anymore. Why should I?…To watch them battle for ninth place? To watch them play at least 2 periods of “flat” hockey? (usually it’s periods one and two, but last night they proved they’re flexible with their flatness). This team lacks leadership, defense, and goaltending. These three things are whats needed for any team to have any kind of sucess in this league. I’m sick of it. Youth is no excuse, it didn’t seem to bother them last year. Where has Danny B been? Has he made any significant contributions this year? And I know Kimmo is an offensive specialist, but does he play D at all? Does anyone? Write them off, they’re done

    • 2jivecrew - Mar 8, 2013 at 9:22 PM

      I wonder if you’ve ever taken a jab at Pens fans for supposedly being “fair weather”……when they had a roster full of AHLers that had no chance of winning anything.

  10. steelpenbucs87 - Mar 8, 2013 at 10:36 AM

    This team has three issues as far as I can tell (two are fixable in the short term) – they lack leadership, their defense is reckless, and they are too inconsistent as a group.

    From a leadership standpoint they need someone to step up and be a voice in the dressing room. I would have thought it was Hartnell or Giroux but now I’m not so sure.

    Their defense needs a lot of work but primarily the forwards aren’t putting in the effort in their zone. Crosby alone won multiple battles along the boards against Flyers forwards without much effort from them.

    This team can wreck house on occasion and then lay a goose egg (evidently in the same game). Some of that is the leadership, but I wonder if Lavvy isn’t quite having the same effect he was having in the past…

    • goodolejr - Mar 8, 2013 at 11:12 AM

      At what point do they stop looking for leadership in the locker room and start looking for effectiveness behind the bench? Obviously when you’ve got guys like Hartnell, G, Timonen, etc. there shouldn’t be an issue with leadership. Those guys can only do so much themselves before it is time to put some of the pressure on the coach’s shoulders. When you’ve got a shutdown defensive forward (Coots), why is he on the ice for less than 11 minutes in a high scoring game like this?

      Idk where they need to turn at this point. They go from looking like one of the best teams in the league to looking either completely average or completely awful. I have no confidence in this team whatsoever.

      • jpelle82 - Mar 8, 2013 at 11:34 AM

        #14 isnt that good this year in either zone, i dont blame coach only giving him 11 mins, he isnt playing like he did last year.

    • uscthom78 - Mar 9, 2013 at 3:08 AM

      might was well make Bryz captain. He couldn’t do worse.

  11. phillyphanatic77 - Mar 8, 2013 at 10:38 AM

    I’m extremely concerned. That was a must win last night. And we had it after 20, then sat back and played right into the Pens hands. There are plenty of adjectives to describe it, but PHT got it right with “embarrassing”. After holding out hope all season I’m really down on the Flyers right now.

    • jpelle82 - Mar 8, 2013 at 11:54 AM

      first off, its hard to say you have anything in the 1st period in todays nhl. pens have dominated the 1st period all year and have lost games in the second and third. secondly, if your defense isnt that good, you cant sit back and expect them to win you two periods of hockey against any team and i say that with my pens in mind as well as we have suffered losses like that all year. i dont think you can win the division at this point but anything can happen in the playoffs…if you look at the east as a whole – bos, mtl, pitt and then its pretty lopsided from there down- the 7th or 8th spot is anyone’s to grab really still. cheer up

      • phillyphanatic77 - Mar 8, 2013 at 2:36 PM

        Haha well I appreciate the attempt by a Pens fan to cheer me up, but after everything that’s happened this season, last night just felt like the straw that broke the camels back. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such an inconsistent Flyers team. Not just game to game, but period to period. Now I agree you don’t win in the 1st period in the NHL. But you also don’t expect to lose after a 4-1 lead over your most hated rivals, in a must win game, after you chased their starting goaltender. I mean the Flyers had all the momentum, all the bounces, they had the Pens off their game, and they come out after the intermission and essentially play a prevent defense. They thought they had won and they took their foot off the gas. I understand Pens fans have seen their club blow big leads against the Flyers but the Flyers are a desperate team in the midst of a hugely important week (NYR, Pitt, Boston, then Buffalo), and they’ve come out with two blown leads in two huge games against their top rivals. It’s painful being a Philadelphia fan right now- the Eagles sucked, the Phils sucked, the Sixers look like the worst team in the NBA. The Flyers were our one shot at success. I didn’t expect a Stanley Cup, but a playoff appearance and a nice run wasn’t out of the question. Look they can turn it around but I’ve been saying that since the first week of the season. And nothings changed. Last night was the tipping point for frustration with this team. I apologize for the rant but the Flyers are my favorite team in my favorite sport and they’re killin me. But thanks for the attempt to talk me down off the Walt Whitman bridge.

      • ironman721 - Mar 8, 2013 at 4:23 PM


      • sportsfreak13 - Mar 8, 2013 at 5:25 PM

        Hang in there phillyphanatic77. As much as i hate the flyers i understand the pain that comes with watching a team underperform and disapoint on a night in night out basis. Its tough being a hockey fan sometimes when your favorite team in the world just refuses to get their act together. While i wont openly root for your team i do hope you guys start playing good again. My first 20 games as a season ticket holder were all losses, most of them blowouts. I never left any of the games early though because the pens are my team through the good and bad, but id be lying if i said the outcome of those games didnt effect my mood. All i can i say is it will get better, and when it does youll look back at this as blip on the radar, a sophmore slump, a learning curve. Hockey is a great sport but it sure can be rough sometimes. We might be on opposite sides of the fence but i respect anyone who is knowledgeable about the game and enjoys it as much as i do. At least were not in a lockout!

      • phillyphanatic77 - Mar 8, 2013 at 7:29 PM

        Sportsfreak13, the empathy is much appreciated. Every team goes through hard times, as a Pens fan you surely understand that, and I’ll get over the Flyers struggles. Being a sports fan in a championship deprived city like Philadelphia is never easy but we press on. I can still be thankful that I’m not a Blue Jackets fan (no disrespect to those in Columbus). Despite this dismal year, the future is still bright for the Philadelphia Flyers. If they can somehow acquire a Pronger-like presence in the off-season (a monumental task, I understand) it could change the entire fortunes of the franchise. And if there’s one GM with the cobbles to pull of a blockbuster it’s surely Holmgren. But it’s hard to keep waiting for next year. That’s the annual outlook in Philadelphia and it wears on you. Doesn’t mean I’ll ever give up on the orange and black. As down as the city is towards the Flyers (all teams actually), there’s still a relatively good chance they can sneak into the playoffs. And I’ll hold onto that glimmer of hope until they’re mathematically eliminated. The turnaround starts tomorrow in Boston (fingers crossed).

    • handsofsweed - Mar 8, 2013 at 6:29 PM

      Yeah, dude. I (and most rational pens fans), have a REALLY hard time believing that you guys won’t sneak into the playoffs somehow.

      Flyers missing the playoffs? Fat chance. I’ll believe that if and only if I actually see it.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Mar 8, 2013 at 7:31 PM

        The city of Philadelphia hopes you’re right.

      • whatthepuck2012 - Mar 8, 2013 at 10:58 PM

        I wish I could say I disagree, but nah…Philly will be in the playoffs. Unfortunately. :)

  12. jimw81 - Mar 8, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    This team is in sell mode. Holmgren did a crappy putting this team together. it’s full of dead weight and players have tuned out lavy. his jam has turned into jelly. If i was the flyers it’s Time to move on from Briere because he’s a salary cap issue next year and has done squat. I would see what you can get for Couturier since his value is still high. Scouts at the game last night said He’s gun shy and afraid to get involved, bailed out twice, plays soft. so in nutshell, blow it up baby.

    They need to hire a GM and coach OUTSIDE of the flyers organization, not recycled people.

    • broadstreetbeatdown - Mar 8, 2013 at 2:03 PM

      That has to be the most retarded analysis I’ve heard all week. Blow it up? Lol.

  13. goodolejr - Mar 8, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    I’ve been an avid supporter of Bryz, even back to last year, but I’m at point where I’m starting to question myself. Yes, he has been one of the Flyers better players this year but at what point do we stop talking about how much the D leaves him out to dry and start asking him to come up with some big saves here and there? He’s obviously not going to step up and make EVERY save, but he should be able to make the big save every once in awhile that changes the momentum and maybe wakes the Flyers up. We can’t keep looking past his mediocre play and chalking it up to mediocre or poor defense. He’s just getting paid way too much to over look that.

    Keep in mind, I’m in no way blaming Bryz for where the Flyers stand currently. The D could tighten up a bit to relieve some of the pressure on him. My issue is the contract we gave him should allow us to expect him to rob a few players here or there, especially on a breakaway every once in awhile.

    Unfortunately this team is just not very good right now.

    • President Charles Logan - Mar 8, 2013 at 11:35 AM

      goodolejr, I agree with your assessment 100% about Bryzgalov, he never actually “steals” a game for them.

      • coopjr - Mar 8, 2013 at 3:22 PM

        Hard to steal a game when the opposing team has 6 to 8 wide open, two on one, three on one, in the slot, no defender around, scoring chances per game. And when a porous and at times soft D comes up against the better scoring teams, they will put your lights out; and only need 20 shots to do it.

      • chanceoffleury1 - Mar 8, 2013 at 4:37 PM

        He stole basically every win they had in the first 10 or 15 games of the season. Even if he didn’t get the win, he at the very least kept them competitive. Bryz started as the best player, by far, on that team and was the only reason they won any games from the start through the first half of February. They need a solid backup to keep him fresh. I think he’s being overplayed which is why he seems to just keep getting worse. If they end up playing each other in the first round of the playoffs, Fleury and Bryz should just go grab a drink at the bar together during the games because lord knows those 2 headcases won’t be worth a damn when they play each other.

    • ibieiniid - Mar 8, 2013 at 1:11 PM

      ya everyone (including me) likes a goalie that’s solid in his net, makes the saves he’s supposed to…. but we need a bit more than that with the way our skaters break down every so often. last night aside, a lot of the times the Flyers are scored on in pivotal times of a game… it’s a complete breakdown on their part. whether it’s failing to find a lane on defense, making an ill-advised change, whatever… that’s when we need Bryz to be stronger.

      I’m with you on this one too. I’ve loved Bryz overall this year but he’s not the type of goalie the team needs.

  14. 5hole26 - Mar 8, 2013 at 11:02 AM

    time to jump off the bandwagon flyer fans! your team is done for. baby pens could have beaten you last night

    • handsofsweed - Mar 8, 2013 at 6:32 PM

      No. Our AHL team would get a canyon-sized mudhole stomped in it’s a$$ by the Flyers. Don’t be a dumb$hit.

      • ironman721 - Mar 8, 2013 at 7:05 PM

        Agreed w/ handsofweed

    • phillyphanatic77 - Mar 8, 2013 at 7:34 PM

      5hole the troll.

  15. President Charles Logan - Mar 8, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    Boy those 2 young reinforcements they brought back in Knuble and Gagne have really been awesome so far huh? (note sarcasm) … oh and this isnt sarcastic… Luke Schenn has been horrible

    • ml3939 - Mar 8, 2013 at 12:30 PM

      Gagne has not been bad and he was only brought back to be third line player. I don’t imagine they envisioned him playing on their top 2 lines unless injuries left them no choice. Knuble was just a bandaid for some injuries. unfortunately all of the adhesion on that bandaid is long gone. I would have been happier if they called up just about any Phantom to take the roster spot he is occupying. I believe Knuble’s career expired earl last season.

  16. capsfan19 - Mar 8, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    Wheres the leadership in this locker room? Im no fan of the flyers but to see them poop the bed… Its weird. Lavs is a great coach! Hope he can whip em back in gear. however id prefer we over take them after this weekend! 😉

  17. sportsfreak13 - Mar 8, 2013 at 11:22 AM

    I am really enjoying watching this flyer team fall apart. The fact that the pens won like they did last night and reading the flyers website recap makes it even sweeter. Last nights game could very well be the begning of the end for the flyers regarding their chances of making the playoffs, and i am loving it. Sorry to all the classy flyer fans on here, but this just feels too good. I cant wait to tune in to tomorrows boston game to see what flyer team shows up.

    • wicky888 - Mar 8, 2013 at 12:14 PM

      Of course as a Pens fan you are loving it. First of all you hate us, and believe me, the feeling is mutual. However you also love it because you want no part of us in the playoffs. Because if there is any overrated and underachieving team (yes I fully acknowledge this Flyers team is both of those things and going absolutely nowhere this year) that can upset your beloved Penguins, it’s the Flyers. And you know your worst nightmare scenerio in your head right now, it’s a 1st seeded Penguins team getting upset by an 8th seed Flyers team in the first round of the playoffs.

      • sportsfreak13 - Mar 8, 2013 at 12:19 PM

        So true. Even though we are 2-1 against you guys this season and have outplayed you in 4 of the 6 periods. Those other 2 peridos have been BRUTAL. The fact that you guys probably wont make the playoffs though and that game being a huge statement/ reason why is big for us. My condolonces guys. Im curious to see what moves your magament does after the sabres game. Coutourier hasnt been all that you guys had hoped for after the playoffs huh, and giroux isnt even the best player on your team (let alone the world). Fun time to be a pen fan (i have been one all my life, no bandwagon here).

      • President Charles Logan - Mar 8, 2013 at 1:22 PM

        Just because of one flukey playoff series from last year I highly doubt that a team of the skill level and pedigree that the Pittsburgh have actually fear having to face the Flyers in the -playoffs . If they had to play 4 straight playoff rounds between those 2 teams, Im sure the results would work in Pittsburgh’s favor. They have plenty veteran leadership that have won big games in the playoffs for years now. and no matter how poor MAF seems to play vs Philly in the last year, Id take him in crunch time in a deciding game any day over Bryzgalolv.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Mar 8, 2013 at 7:06 PM

        President Charles Logan, I understand you guys are feeling good about last nights epic comeback and the fact that the Flyers record isn’t even average, but c’mon now. All Pittsburgh fans know that if there is one team that can knock you out of the playoffs it’s the Flyers. I’m sure the City of Pittsburgh will be praying that the Flyers continue to slump for the rest of the season. People tend to take the most recent matchup and use that as a template for how future games will unfold, but you know there’s no predicting what can happen between these two teams. Yes the Penguins can beat Philly in a track meet, but when the Flyers play their game we’ve all seen that the Pens become a penalty-stricken mess. There’s no doubt they are in MAF’s head. And the game before, the Flyers scored on Vokoun from all angles. I obviously have my doubts about this years Flyers team but when they’re on, they are the Pens cryptonite. Kudos on the win last night but it doesn’t change the fact that no team in the NHL can slow the Pens skill players like the Flyers do. They get under their skin like no one else.

      • President Charles Logan - Mar 9, 2013 at 4:23 PM

        phanatic77 im not a pens fan im a neutral observer and general fan of the game , i just think at the end of the day the pens will make a deadline deal (rental) and it will put them over the top and the flyers wont be a issue for them if they were to somehow meet up again in an early round playoff match up …. just a hunch and gut feeling i have . you guys are too inconsistent

  18. malkinrulez - Mar 8, 2013 at 12:31 PM

    wicky888 I hate to admit it but I agree with you. These Pens-Flyers games are great for hockey fans but murder on fans of either team.Philly is clearly in Flowers head. We’ll see if anything has changed when the Flyers come to Consol.Great payback win for Pens after the 6-5 disaster in Pittsburgh. As for fixing the Flyers it is clear they have to trade either Brayden Schenn or Couts for D man.

  19. anthonykornheiser - Mar 8, 2013 at 1:16 PM

    I posted this yesterday, but i had no idea they would post an article like this, so this is obviously a more appropriate forum.

    It’s ridiculous the flyers have played so many games and have only 23 points. If the panthers win their game in hand, they are only one game behind them, ouch.
    I think a lot of this flyers team is media hype and hype from their own fans. They are expecting a lot of this young core to be superstars or have crowned them superstars already, and i dont think that will ever be the case. I have to be honest, giroux was nasty last yr, but, a ton of pros have one great great yr and then mediocre to good seasons the rest of their career. I watch a ton of flyers games and he is barely noticeable most nights. When my team plays them, i dont fear him like i do when other players carry the puck or step on the ice. certain players just seem more dominant and scary in key situations, like a crosby, nash, kane. Flyers fans are just fooling themselves to keep saying they are fine with the JVR trade, schenn is an OK player but doesn’t solidify that D. certain young players you seem flashes from and know theyre going to be lights out, i dont get the fuss over guys like “couts’ he’ll be a nice player but thats about it, same for schenn and co. Flyers fans need a reality check, glance over everyone in the NHL’s roster, they ALL have a ton of young players, not only you Philly.

    • ibieiniid - Mar 8, 2013 at 1:21 PM

      lol… “solidify that D”

    • ml3939 - Mar 8, 2013 at 3:20 PM

      I think your comments are valid to a degree but speak to passionate fans of most teams. It easy and common for fans to see the possibility of young talented players on the team they root for and envision the best for them. Sometimes it proves to be valid and other times not. You on the other hand look at their talent and se the opposite for one reason or another. Your comments seem to ring of someone who does not like the Flyers which is fine. But to chalk it up to other rosters have a ton of young players is being short-sighted.

      Voracek has been saved from hockey purgatory and looks to be an emerging star. B. Schenn is all of 21 years old and is developing into a real presence on the ice. Simmonds looks like a 30+ goals a year player for years to come. Matt Read is a talented 2 way player. Couturier is playing in checking role at this point. He has been less consistent this year but he is only 20 years old. Had he not been sick the year prior to his being drafted he would have never fell to the Flyers. As for Giroux, if you don’t see his talent, I can’t help you.

      Their defense has been pretty shaky overall but it would be silly to question the offensive talent on this team. I foresee JVR as a 35-40 goal scorer when he gets it all together but he did nothing to help this team defensively.

      There is hype that goes with this team because of who they are. Hate them all you want but they are one of the leagues premier franchises. Part of it is their 1970’s reputation and part of it is success- they are the winningest non-original 6 franchise and have the second highest winning percentage of any NHL franchise all time.

  20. jaredphi - Mar 8, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    Time to make a trade methinks.

    I love his playoff performance but it’s time to send Briere packing (if you can convince him to waive his no-trade clause).

    Apparently, according to “The Hockey News”, Phoenix is interested in bringing him back.

    Ship him there – along with some picks (preferable) – or another roster player (less preferable) – for Keith Yandle.

    Then, try to sign Corey Perry in the off-season.

    • ibieiniid - Mar 8, 2013 at 2:13 PM

      dude i was thinking Perry too (could totally see him in a Flyers jersey) but we’ve only got like 6mil or so (Gagne, Shelley, Knuble, Fedotenko) going on RFA after this season. not sure of another way to get some cap space to just sign Perry from UFA. Getz just got more than 8mil/year…. Perry would be at least close to there, if not more.

      • anthonykornheiser - Mar 8, 2013 at 2:20 PM

        You could have saved a lot of money then by resigning Carle and keeping JVR. Schenn is young, a good player, will never be an elite Dman. JVR and Perry in goal output would be comparable and you could have saved 7-9MM a yr on Perry. Plus Perry doesn’t help that defense in any way, shape or form. I dont get some of the comments, on this thread and any thread for that matter. People are perplexed how this team is doing bad and saying how good they are aside from their D. Or, they are awesome but Bryz doesn’t show up everynight, or, once these young guys start to score a ton and become more responsible they will click. How is this a dominant team then if they either have goalie issue, major issues on D, or you arent getting the most out of the young kids. There was never a guarantee that all these young players would or will pan out to be excellent players.

      • jaredphi - Mar 8, 2013 at 2:45 PM

        Ibieiniid –

        Cap space is an issue, but if I remember correctly, we still aren’t carrying Pronger’s cap hit on IR…so if you move Prongs cap to IR – and combined with perhaps sending another roster player to PHX along with Briere for Yandle – we might have enough space to then chase Perry.

        If another, young roster player was sent to PHX with Briere….Scott Laughton could likely slide right into the other player’s spot for next season.

        Bryz has been good this season, but has faltered a bit in the last two games….if that sends him into a nosedive…we could then buy him out – or at the very least re-negotiate his contract before next season (that could be presented as “We’d really like to keep you here Ilya, but we cannot afford to pay you according to the contract you signed with us…so, unless you’d prefer to be bought out and sent packing….we need you to agree to a smaller contract with a smaller cap hit”). This would clear out some more space…enabling us to throw some more cash after Perry.

      • jaredphi - Mar 8, 2013 at 2:48 PM

        Anthony – I’m glad Carle was sent packing. He was a turnover machine and TB overpaid for him.

        JvR also had to be shipped out. He needed a change of scenery and I doubt he was going to become better – or more consistent – in Philly. Here he was just injured and inconsistent. He always played smaller than he is and didn’t use his big body enough to benefit the team.

      • ibieiniid - Mar 8, 2013 at 2:55 PM

        jared, idk a lot about buy outs…. but wouldn’t Bryz get some, if not all of that buy-out money? sounds like a deal that I personally wouldn’t pass up. get paid but get to go play somewhere else too? boom

      • jaredphi - Mar 8, 2013 at 3:16 PM

        ibieiniid –

        Bryz would still get his total salary but none of that salary would count against the cap.

        It could be done as Philly is one of the richest teams in the NHL (and quite possibly the richest). Snider could afford it, no problem. Philly pretty much prints cash at will.

      • ibieiniid - Mar 8, 2013 at 4:34 PM

        my point was, why would Bryzgalov take the pay cut? he’s only been in Philly 2 years, never really settled in. the media HAS to get to him at times, and if he could take that buy-out money, go get a job elsewhere and play there instead, what would make him wanna stay in Philly?

  21. bowman20 - Mar 8, 2013 at 3:11 PM

    Not sure if its been said yet but if as a coach, you can’t get a bunch of talented skaters to play more than a single period in a game for multiple games, you are not doing your job. Anyone watching last nights game could clearly see the team “sit-back” after going up 4-1. Against a weak team, MAYBE that would work sometimes. All I know is in my line of work, and I’m sure I’m not alone here, if I worked for only a third of my work shift day in n day out n kept saying the same excuses over n over, I’d get my peepee slapped and threatened to be canned if not just canned right away. Excuses are bs and get very old very quick. Not sure what exactly will help this team, but something drastically needs to be done.

  22. ironman721 - Mar 8, 2013 at 3:52 PM

    Yes panic 📢🔊🚨⚠🚓🚒🚑 for 48 hours then win 3 games in a row and nobody remembers what happened last night in a regular season game. 1/2 the league makes the playoffs and most of them are not setting the league on🔥 either, so relax and have a 🍺.

    • bowman20 - Mar 8, 2013 at 4:38 PM

      They start playing full games and Ill be fine with some well played losses. Play half heartedly and for a third of a game and I have an issue with that. Cuz pal, we are on the outside looking in at teams that play a full three period game.

      • ironman721 - Mar 8, 2013 at 5:51 PM

        I’m a Pens fan but no regular season game means that much until the last week or so. Philly will be fine when they start beating teams no in the division.

      • bowman20 - Mar 8, 2013 at 6:01 PM

        I’m talking about an 11-13 season of this not one game. That game just sums up their issues.

  23. puckyouall - Mar 8, 2013 at 5:05 PM

    All this aside, who do you guys think spit more during a game, hockey players or baseball players? I used to think it was baseball players by far but, lately I’m not so sure. Every time the camera is focused on the benches those guys are spitting buckets. It seems so unsanitary and unnecessary.
    I know baseball players win crotch grabbing by far but, this category is up for grabs.

    • bowman20 - Mar 8, 2013 at 5:17 PM

      Baseball players spit seeds and dip (tobacco) spit. Hockey players spit thick saliva you get when skating hard and exhausting your body. And as for the crotch…ever wear baseball pants or better yet, baseball pants with a jockstrap and cup? lol

  24. 5hole26 - Mar 8, 2013 at 5:44 PM

    you might as well give him a kiss and a handy too sportsfreak. geez

    • sportsfreak13 - Mar 8, 2013 at 7:45 PM

      It’s called good sportsmanship. Learn something, or continue being a troll. Your choice.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Mar 8, 2013 at 8:54 PM

      Most people are civil on PHT but you’re nothing more than a disrespectful, trolling dbag. We get you have an irrational hatred for the Flyers, doesn’t mean you have to be a complete jackass all the time. Pens fans have realized that. Most of us are on here to talk hockey, I don’t know what the hell you’re doing here, other than embarrassing yourself. Grow up ahole26.

      • ironman721 - Mar 8, 2013 at 9:14 PM

        Appoligize phillyphan77, not all Pens fans suck at life as much as Mr. Hole here. Honestly flyers are the only Philly team I dislike but people who get there jollies out of other peoples misery, I dislike much MUCH more.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Mar 8, 2013 at 10:16 PM

        Haha I didn’t mean Pens fans were jackasses, I meant most have realized we hate eachothers teams but we can still be civil. Actually 5hole has claimed, in his numerous posts trolling my own comments, that he’s “not a Pens fan”. Which I find laughable considering his constant need to attack my comments regarding the Flyers. Also the hatred of the Flyers by citizens of Pittsburgh is not irrational, just 5hole’s hatred of Philadelphia. Anyway, ironman, I apologize to those Pens fans who are not trolls and do not “suck at life” for anything I posted that can be misconstrued as attacking Pittsburgh.

      • ironman721 - Mar 9, 2013 at 6:39 AM

        Pens/ Flyers rivalry is one of the best in sports. The ratings proved that. Trash talking in moderation is fine and expected in hockey, but acting like a d-bag and kicking people when they are down after a REGULAR season game is pathetic not acceptable. You are a good dude Philly 77, you actually add insight and valid points in your posts, unlike many of the trolls, regardless of team, that post on PHT.

  25. bkg63 - Mar 8, 2013 at 11:06 PM

    This Flyers team is driving me crazy! The only thing consistent about this team is their inconsistency;totally baffling.I mean, giving up a 4-1 lead in your own building? Where’s the D? Second game in a row they go into the 3rd period tied only to lose the period and game/set/match. Totally unacceptable. As much as I respect Briere, his days as a Flyer seem numbered; Wayne Simmonds is bringing it, playing like a warrior in true Flyer form; Bryzgalov? more goat than hero.
    Living in Charlotte, NC, I want to drive to Raleigh to see the Flyers play the Hurricanes on April 20, but am having second thoughts; I don’t know what Flyers team will show up; damn if I’m gonna pay my hard-earned money to watch these boys go thru the motions; they better get it together or leave it alone!

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