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Bobby Clarke has one issue with Hawks’ streak as they approach his Flyers’ record

Mar 7, 2013, 8:01 AM EST

Bobby Clarke #16 of the Philadelphia Flyers warms up before playing against the New York Rangers during the 2012 Bridgestone NHL Winter Classic Alumni Game on December 31, 2011 at Citizens Bank Park in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
(December 30, 2011 - Source: Jim McIsaac/Getty Images North America) Getty Images

Bobby Clarke won two Stanley Cups with the Philadelphia Flyers and played a key role in helping them set a new record in 1979-80 with their 35-game points streak.

Fast forward to last night, when the Chicago Blackhawks came from behind to extend their current points streak to 30 contests, dating back to last season.

Clarke thinks “all the records should be challenged and beaten by new generations,” but he argues that the Blackhawks aren’t as close to besting his team’s mark as people are giving them credit for.

“They can’t use last year’s games, that’s foolishness,” Clarke said in an NHL.com report. “Can Sidney Crosby go back and take the points he got in the last 10 games and add them to this year and add them to the scoring race? Can the Flyers add their point total from the last 10 games and add them to this year so they can get a playoff spot?

“It’s legitimate if they do it in one season. It’s not legitimate if they use two season totals.”

Chicago hasn’t lost in regulation through 24 games this season. That not only shatters the previous record for the best points streak to start a campaign, it also extends through half of their schedule. They have nearly double the points of the ninth place squad in the Western Conference.

Still, regardless of when the Blackhawks streak started, Clarke isn’t going to mope if his squad loses the record.

“Whatever Chicago does, it didn’t take away from what Philadelphia did,” Clarke said. “The players that were part of the Flyers in those days can still enjoy what we did and celebrate what we did.”

  1. esracerx46 - Mar 7, 2013 at 8:20 AM

    Before reading the article I thought Clarke was going to be Shula-esque about the record. Perhaps even using the they have 3 losses argument. But, I have to agree that the 30 game streak is somewhat of a fallacy. I do think it’s more impressive to do something like this in todays era

    • tatdue - Mar 7, 2013 at 10:04 AM

      Only some in the so called “sports media” are including last year’s regular season….The NHL is not! Streaks in the NHL (for the purpose of records) are counted over 1 season only. Anything else is just media hype….

      • jeremyroenickdanceparty - Mar 7, 2013 at 10:21 AM

        NHL network definitely is. Watch NHL Live with EJ and that kid from Pittsburgh. Their graphic for the streak includes last season.

  2. bigkniht37 - Mar 7, 2013 at 8:33 AM

    Well yes, it has been over 2 seasons essentially (and fortunately the hawks lost game 6 in regulation to phoenix in the playoffs or it would be 36 including playoffs), but his arguments are outrageous. Obviously you can’t carry over individual stats or use games from last season to boost your playoff position (is he drunk?). In the NFL it’s the same way, winning streaks can carry over (see the Patriots record streak from 5 years ago). Let’s see where the hawks end up this season before rushing to discredit this feat. If they record points in 40 in a row and get bounced in the first round, who cares? Just enjoy the ride while it lasts folks!

  3. csilojohnson - Mar 7, 2013 at 8:34 AM

    I totally agree with Clarke. If you want to count last year it needs to be a different record. Doing it all in one season is more impressive. Not to take away from what the Hawks have done. Which is amazing. Still different achievement.

    • stakex - Mar 7, 2013 at 10:21 PM

      Yeah, or you have to count playoff games… which would result in their current streak “only” being 24. I mean if you are going to count last season, it doesn’t make sense to leave out games played between the two seasons because if they lost in any of them… it wouldn’t be a point streak now would it?

      Broken records, especially ones like this, make for good headlines though… so of course the media is going to help it along as much as possible. Just like the NHL wants to make scoring easier so hopefully someday some of the scoring records are challanged (yeah, good luck with that).

  4. ml3939 - Mar 7, 2013 at 8:46 AM

    Baseball does not extend hitting streaks across multiple seasons. They start over each year.

    • kingvorp - Mar 7, 2013 at 8:58 AM

      incorrect. look up jimmy rollins’ 38 game streak from 2006.

      • ml3939 - Mar 7, 2013 at 9:04 AM

        I apologize, you are correct, I have earned all of the thumbs down deservedly coming my way.

      • kingvorp - Mar 7, 2013 at 9:10 AM

        not to worry, ml. its nbc sports so i needed to find another way to make it about philadelphia. we’re still under quota for this story.

    • ml3939 - Mar 7, 2013 at 9:01 AM

      I love anonymous thumbs downs to matter of fact information void of opinion. “Hey, that guy criticized my post so I am gonna thumb down all of his comments.”

  5. puckmepuckyou - Mar 7, 2013 at 8:55 AM

    Chicago is kicking ass this season no one can deny that, however, Clarke is making a good point, it should be a single season feat and I agree with that.

  6. johnstone17 - Mar 7, 2013 at 9:05 AM

    I never thought the day would come when I would agree with Bobby Clarke, but I do on this subject.

  7. r8rbhawk - Mar 7, 2013 at 9:23 AM

    As a Blackhawks fan, I too agree with Clarke. I think most Hawk fans agree that the record needs ti be broken in 1the season, not span across two.

  8. baned0n - Mar 7, 2013 at 9:24 AM

    It’s weird that people don’t think winning streaks can cross seasons. They do in every sport.

    • comeonnowguys - Mar 7, 2013 at 9:32 AM

      ^^ This. ^^ 100% this. All day this. ^^ This. ^^

    • johnstone17 - Mar 7, 2013 at 4:31 PM

      They lost 4 games in the playoffs last year. Playoffs & regular season all count.

      • baned0n - Mar 11, 2013 at 8:48 AM

        Since it’s a regular season record, no…it doesn’t. But it’s a moot point now.

  9. mclovinhockey - Mar 7, 2013 at 9:35 AM

    On NHL they say the streak is at 24 or whatever, here it says 30. I posted about this before and even hawks fans agree it makes no sense. Makes me wonder if they ha a preseason and lost a game in there of PHT would not count those loses? The hawks and coyotes had a heck of a playoffs making most games go to OT, the hawks did lose the final game in regulation. So technically by PHT’s book that recorded ended then.

    The hawks are already in the book for this streak, they can easily continue and own it fair and square. I am sure they do not want to have * next to their name in the books that says over 2 seasons not including playoffs, one season was a shortened one without a preseason.

    This hawks team can do it!

  10. tbeilfuss - Mar 7, 2013 at 9:40 AM

    I think what we have here is that people fail to understand that most, if not all, sports have three different records for ALL STREAKS whether individual or team.

    Start of season (which is 24 by the Blackhawks)
    Single Season (which is 35 by the Flyers)
    Regular Season (which is 35 by said Flyers)

    Every record has qualifiers or explanations but I dont understand why people are struggling with this. Unless the Blackhawks run it to 41, the Flyers will continue to hold the Single Season record.

    As the mathematician said, what the Blackhawks have done already is statistically more impressive than what the Flyers did because you only have 1 chance to start the season each year. You have 47 chances to break the Flyers Single Season Streak.

    Im glad at least we have gotten past the lunacy of the OTL nonsense from last week. (thank you to Stephan A Smith for clearing that up!)

    • tbeilfuss - Mar 7, 2013 at 10:13 AM

      I stand corrected since the debate over the OTL is raging hard on another thread. Amazing that people dont know the Flyers didnt have overtime of any kind. If you wanna discredit the OTL’s then you must discredit the Flyers ties and then we have no records worth noting at that point.

  11. tbeilfuss - Mar 7, 2013 at 9:42 AM

    BTW, should Ray Emery be denied the All-Time record for wins by a Goalie to start the regular season since it didnt take place in the first 10 consecutive games? No he shouldnt but there is someone else who holds THAT record.

    • tatdue - Mar 7, 2013 at 10:29 AM

      Yes he should be denied since not playing every game would give him an advantage and therefore not be as impressive….

      • tbeilfuss - Mar 7, 2013 at 10:35 AM

        that’s precisely why there is someone else that has the “consecutive games won by a goalie” streak.

        The NHL has Emery on the books now…..so take it up with them @nhl on twitter

  12. mclovinhockey - Mar 7, 2013 at 9:46 AM

    Oh, also no matter what happens. Both the hawks and Flyers will remain in the books with their historic season.
    Flyers went 25 wins 0 losses 10 ties,
    35 games without a loss, now that ties are gone that seems almost impossible to beat.
    Hawks are 20 wins 0 losses 3 OT losses. They will always have “best start to a season”
    With the new rules for the hawks and flyers stats to go head to head, all the hawks shootout wins would have to count as ties to see who has the best overall. Lets just see when the hawks lose if they do.

  13. mpg44 - Mar 7, 2013 at 9:55 AM

    I’ve said it else where and I will say it here. Good job by the hawks this year , but no matter what if they record is broken by a single season or multiple season streak ….. It will need an asterisk!! They have played no eastern teams this year.

    • tbeilfuss - Mar 7, 2013 at 10:08 AM

      that doesnt matter, you play whats on your schedule…….that would mean that all NFL records pre-1967 dont count and all MLB records pre-1995 dont count and all NBA records pre-1970ish dont count since they didnt play any of the other teams in the league for various reasons.

      If you wanna maintain the database of conference specific records, maybe you could apply at Elias…..

    • comeonnowguys - Mar 7, 2013 at 11:29 AM

      Of all the “reasons” for an asterisk, this may be the silliest of them.

  14. richieranger - Mar 7, 2013 at 10:03 AM

    Bobby’s right.

  15. eagles512 - Mar 7, 2013 at 10:25 AM

    Hated Clarke from his time as GM but he is definitely right on this. Shouldn’t even be a debate.

  16. LampyB - Mar 7, 2013 at 12:09 PM

    I completely agree here. Crossing seasons is an entirely separate record. I think doing so is ridiculous in any sport. Not to discredit the Hawks, it’s awesome but last season was a different team.

  17. misterchainbluelightning - Mar 7, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    Wade Boggs once batted .400 over a 162 game stretch, but it was part of 2 seasons.

  18. ironmike778 - Mar 7, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    Hate Philly but definitely agree.

  19. withseidelinn - Mar 7, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    Ridiculous that some networks are using last season as part of the streak. That’s like saying, “you know what, Team X lost 5 straight to end the season last year, so let’s just put them at 0-5-0 to start this year.” Makes sense…

  20. prostock75 - Mar 7, 2013 at 3:09 PM

    The Flyers won their last game of the previous season, so if we cross over years, their number is 36. Past that, the overall stretch they had was unbelievable, at one point in the 79-80 season, they had lost only 5 of their first 58 games. I never thought I see another team sniff this record, especially in an NHL that is so competitive. It is remarkable what the Hawks are doing in this current version of the NHL

    • hawksandsawx - Mar 7, 2013 at 3:47 PM

      They lost the first game of the year so no

      • prostock75 - Mar 7, 2013 at 3:48 PM

        Duh, I completely forgot, my bad…haha

  21. badintent - Mar 7, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    The Rat squeaks !! Put out a big trap for the Rat.Got really fed up with his public sqabbles with Eric. Be quiet Rat. That big cat behind may eat you for a snack.

  22. mikeinindy - Mar 8, 2013 at 7:38 AM

    What a moronic argument on clarke’s side. A streak of regular season games is EXACTLY what it says…He was nothing but an idiot as a player, exec, and apparently that hasn’t changed. I guess that means the ‘Tiger Slam’ doesn’t mean anything even though it was a streak of all 4 major titles? Come on! Gimme a break!!!

  23. manchestermiracle - Mar 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM

    “…it also extends through half of their schedule.” A schedule truncated by a lockout. So that’s misleading if the unwritten comparison is to a regular, non-lockout year. As well as not playing half the league which could certainly have altered the record. All that being said, what the ‘Hawks are doing is still pretty impressive. The last time they won the President’s Trophy was ’90-’91.

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