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Cory Schneider on his struggles: ‘It’s getting ridiculous’

Feb 27, 2013, 9:57 AM EDT

VANCOUVER, CANADA - FEBRUARY 26: Mikkel Boedker #89 of the Phoenix Coyotes and Cory Schneider #35 of the Vancouver Canucks search for the puck in a crowded goal crease during their NHL game at Rogers Arena February 26, 2013 in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. (Photo by Jeff Vinnick/NHLI via Getty Images) Getty Images

Vancouver Canucks goaltender Cory Schneider knows that he hasn’t been living up to expectations and after giving up at least three goals in four consecutive starts, he wasn’t shy about voicing his frustrations.

“It’s getting ridiculous,” he said, according to the “Three or four games in a row giving up three goals or more and you know, I don’t care if they were nice goals or guys wide open, it doesn’t matter.

“You’ve got to make some big saves to give your team a chance to at least get a point.”

Schneider was only able to kick out 18 of 21 shots in Tuesday’s 4-2 loss to the Phoenix Coyotes.

The game-winner could perhaps be viewed as an unlucky break for Schneider. As you can see below, Antoine Vermette‘s goal bounces off of Schneider’s pad to go in:

Schneider said that calling plays like that bad luck “isn’t good enough right now.” He’s tired of almost making saves.

“We worked hard enough to win tonight I thought,” Schneider said. “It wasn’t a Picasso, but we had the effort and we could have won that game and I’m just getting sick of giving up three goals a night and playing like an OK goalie and not the goalie that I know I can be and that my teammates expect me to be.”

Schneider is in the first season of a three-year, $12 million contract. When he signed the deal, it was thought that Vancouver was going to trade Roberto Luongo and fully embrace Schneider as its number one netminder.

However, Luongo is splitting time with Schneider and has arguably been the better goaltender despite being embarrassed on Sunday.

  1. dprouse - Feb 27, 2013 at 10:21 AM

    Schneider reminds me a lot of Brian Elliott – he had some moments of brilliance last season, but he really hadn’t done enough over a long enough period to justify getting a big, long term deal. Right now, the Canucks would be better off riding the veteran Luongo while Schneider gets his game together.

    • davebabychreturns - Feb 27, 2013 at 10:33 AM

      I think Elliott is a poor man’s Schneider – Cory has a well established pedigree and a history of carrying teams on his back, however it’s obvious that right now he hasn’t proved he can do that consistently at the NHL level.

      This year Schneider’s been mediocre but we’re really only talking about ten games played, he’ll get another fifteen or so to work out the kinks before the playoffs start and I expect him to do that.

      The team in front of him has some serious work to do as well.. if they don’t improve substantially from how they’ve performed over the last handful of games it probably won’t matter what kind of goaltending they get.

      • digbysellers - Feb 27, 2013 at 10:56 AM

        I really couldn’t disagree with you more…a well established pedigree and history of carrying teams on his back? From where? If you’re talking about his time with the Moose, yeah he’s got nice stats, but two 1st round losses and a loss in the Calder Cup Finals don’t sound like a well established pedigree and carrying a team on his back to me. You’re right he’s struggling right now and it’s a ton of pressure on him. I just think to say somebody has carried a team on his back in the way the Canucks are looking for him to do needs something more substantial than some good statistical AHL seasons…they need better than that.

      • davebabychreturns - Feb 27, 2013 at 11:19 AM

        Well if you look at the Moose roster over that time you’ll notice they weren’t exactly stacked with future impact players.. Michael Grabner and Jason Krog being the two best players on those teams by a considerable margin.

        Schneider is also one of the most accomplished goaltenders in Boston College history, I believe he captained his prep school team, etc.

        Elliott has done well for himself too but he took longer to win a starting job in college, has just 12 games of playoff experience as a pro, with the exception of last season has worse numbers.. I just don’t see what room there is for disagreement beyond the fact that Elliott played on the best defensive team in the league last season.

        As for the Canucks needing better than what Schneider is bringing right now, I agree (and I said as much). The good thing is that if they get from Cory what he brought last season, they will be set in goal. However they need better from a lot of players, and neither Schneider nor Luongo is going to be able to cover for all of them singlehandedly.

      • digbysellers - Feb 27, 2013 at 12:13 PM

        I certainly did look at the Moose roster over that time period and it basically helps my point out. If the team around him was so awful, then why did he lose in the 1st round twice? That’s not carrying a team on his back at all and it’s not establishing anything more than being a goaltender who’s lost two playoff series. It’s great for experience and all, but let’s not get carried away that his AHL experience was setting him up for being a lights out NHL player.

        I could care less about what he did at Boston College. This is the NHL, not the NCAA. Just because you’re good in college doesn’t mean squat in the NHL. If it did, then Hobey Baker winners like Ryan Duncan wouldn’t be playing in Austria of all places. Junior Lessard was supposed to be a stud, didn’t quite work out so well for him either did it.

        Makes no sense to compare him to Brian Elliott. Brian Elliott is Brian Elliott, not Cory Schneider. Schneider was paid good money to take over a starting job that was handed to him and he hasn’t performed. That’s on him, not Brian Elliott. Yeah, the Canucks need to play better and I never disagreed with you on that. However, you said neither Schneider or Luongo is going to cover for all their mistakes…but didn’t you say that Schneider has an established pedigree and can carry a team on his back?

      • davebabychreturns - Feb 27, 2013 at 12:31 PM

        Jeez digby, I figured the bar for discussion here was high enough that when I say a player with fewer than 100 games under his belt has “a pedigree” (which means a strong background, FYI) and “a history of carrying teams,” I probably don’t have to explain that it includes the results that player achieved before reaching the NHL level.

        I guess I was wrong.

        At any rate, you’re not going to find anyone who will argue Schneider has done any of those things at the NHL level because it would be patently absurd. But here’s the thing when discussing goaltenders with limited NHL experience like Schneider and Elliott (neither of whom have held a starting job anywhere at this point), in order to get enough information to have a meaningful discussion you have to look back into their past.

        And you can downplay it all you want (in fact you’d be right to say that it’s not going to determine their future performance) but it is relevant. You could argue that Antoine Roussel and Mika Zibanejad are a similar calibre of player because they have the same number of points so far in their rookie seasons but it would be beyond misguided.

        Anyway I am not going to get into nitpicking over the quality of the Manitoba Moose roster four years ago but suffice to say Cory Schneider has generally been the best player on his team at every level prior to this one and the success (if not outright dominance) of those teams has been in large part due to his play.

      • davebabychreturns - Feb 27, 2013 at 12:37 PM

        To address your last paragraph which actually addresses the issue in this blog post…

        I don’t know if Cory Schneider is capable of carrying a team on his back at this level. He’s done it at lower levels which is promising, but until he does it here nobody can say one way or the other.

        In any event I don’t think that in today’s NHL any goaltender can consistently win games singlehandedly, even Tim Thomas’s Hall of Fame calibre performance in the 2011 finals (probably the best individual performance by a goalie since Dominik Hasek’s salad days) was behind a team that did an exceptional job of taking away the middle of the ice and letting Thomas do what he does best.

        And no I don’t think Elliott is a great comparable either (although it is one I have seen made repeatedly over the years as they’ve made their way through the NCAA, AHL and NHL ranks).

      • digbysellers - Feb 27, 2013 at 12:43 PM

        So I bring up valid, intelligent thoughts refuting your post and now you throw a little tantrum about it? Seriously dude, you don’t have to pull the “I guess I was wrong” pity party here at all. If you’d have come back with anything valid then I’d have debated it with you but so far you haven’t. You’re reliance on comparing players (and yes you did compare the two goaltenders as saying somebody is a poor man’s somebody else is a comparison) and NCAA statistics is admirable at best, but irrelevant for this discussion. It’s pointless to debate this with you any further as you’ve pulled the whiner card when somebody disagrees with you. It was nice while it lasted.

      • davebabychreturns - Feb 27, 2013 at 1:41 PM

        digby – I had a huge comment typed up here but as it seems you’re ready to wash your hands of this discussion I’ll save everyone the time of going back over this whole thread.

        It’s tough to tell what you really disagree with here, and that suggests to me that you’re either interested in nitpicking through a players past (eg. “did a player really ‘carry’ his team if they didn’t win a championship?”) or that we really agree on the vast majority of all of this and are communicating poorly.

        As far as I can tell we both agree that Schneider is a fine player with many past achievements at lower levels (none of which guarantee him a successful NHL career) and few at the NHL level. Not much else to say, really.

  2. gospitfires - Feb 27, 2013 at 10:51 AM

    this guy, single handed, has ruin my fantasy hockey aspirations this season. ntoe to self, never draft a guy in the top 20 who while all accounts is going to be the starter, who has shown nothing that he can be the starter.

  3. valoisvipers - Feb 27, 2013 at 10:58 AM

    Is it the pressure of Schneider’s new big bucks contract as the number one starter or is it Luongo still hanging around like a Buzzard? Is he a one hit wonder and another goalie blunder? Will Lou be moved? Will Cory find his game? Will VCR be set ablaze? Stay tuned for “As the Season Goes”

    • lionstigersandwingsohmy - Feb 27, 2013 at 12:14 PM

      Or is it because the D is hanging him out to dry? Serious question, all I have seen of them was the Detroit game and the D were responsible for half of the Wings’ goals.

    • blomfeld - Feb 27, 2013 at 1:25 PM


      Or better yet, it’s that “45 million dollar” buzzard’s fault. Make no mistake about it friends, Luongo still hanging around is probably having all kinds of adverse psychological effects on the entire team, not just Cory Schneider. And the longer they keep this “multiple personality” weirdo around, the worse this is going to get for the Canucks. People need to remember that it was Luongo who said “I’m done” with the Canucks last April, merely because his ego suffered a boo boo when he was benched after two straight losses to the Kings … it wasn’t the Canucks quitting on him. And now because facilitating his requested move back to Florida is going to take time, this phoney appears to have heeded the advise of his handler and morphed into some kind of a Mister Congeniality? “I’m a team guy and whoever has the hot hand should get the start” is one of Luongo’s favorite bizarre quotes of late … yeah, well too bad he couldn’t have spoken like that last April. The bottom line is that until Luongo is shipped back to Florida, he should be kept away not only from the Canuck’s dressing room, but completely away from the property at Rogers Arena. His presence serves no purpose other than to cause upset and confusion, which is something the Canucks hardly need at this point.

      • davebabychreturns - Feb 27, 2013 at 1:42 PM

        Ugh. Seriously?

        See steverolley’s comment for an answer that involves the actual game played on the ice, and not the soap opera playing out in blomfeld’s head.

  4. buddysguys - Feb 27, 2013 at 11:27 AM

    same old same old….i say this all the time there are top goalies and then there are your run of the mill find them any where goalies.

    price, thomas,broduer, miller, luongo, rinne and quick.

    these other guys Anderson, Smith, Schneider, Elliott these are all guys that cant string it together regularly and that’s why they float around the league (except for scheids he just sits and sits waiting for VAN to make a move)

  5. steverolley - Feb 27, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    Wow lots of commentors who obviously don’t watch Canucks games yet think they have a grip on the situation!

    Anyone who thinks Schneider has been bad this year obviously looks at stats and not the games. Schneider has played pretty good this year and is definatley not the reason why the Canucks are losing.

    Canucks are losing because they are terrible in their own end, they have the worst break out system in the NHL and constantly get caught out of position. All the goals last night were defensive break downs leaving a guy all alone infront of the net. Without Schneider the score easily could of been 6 – 2

    The real question is with two great goaltenders how long can the Canucks keep giving up over three a game before the coach takes some heat for his team not being able to play defense

    • loinstache - Feb 27, 2013 at 2:24 PM

      Yuuup. The goalies (Schneider in particular) aren’t nearly as off as the absolute numbers suggest. Quite frankly I’ve wanted AV gone for a while, but there’s been instances where I’ve seen him through. That said this is near the halfway the season and some prime defensive and special teams questions remain, with little sign of an answer. The AV/Newell Brown combo is often content to play things the way they are – and in their comfort zone it’s a trap heavy defensive game. That simply has not been working, too many teams have the book on the Canucks and they simply aren’t changing – I say it’s about time to switch it up.

    • valoisvipers - Feb 27, 2013 at 11:55 PM

      steverolley We just heard from the horse’s mouth himself That he is not playing well. Is that not true enough for you?

  6. thehighcountrybear - Feb 27, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    The SS Canuck foundering on the shoals of both average goaltending and a coaching staff unable to adapt to the post-dive era and look, the rats are abandoning ship faster than a Kesler or Sedin can hit the ice at the mere whiff of contact or an errant stick…? Canucks, a team built around theatrics and diving play so shameless and embarrassing to the credibility of the game, the league had to strike a committee in the extended off-season to deal with the issue! Now, unable to feed on power play stacked on power play, the Canucks are shown-up for the over-achievers they always were. What worked before had the light in the loafer west coasters all giddy with joy, now it’s abandon ship, abandon ship, throw the captain to the sharks. La vita bella, life is good…

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