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Jobs of Flyers GM Holmgren, coach Laviolette not in jeopardy

Feb 18, 2013, 8:01 AM EDT

Peter Laviolette, Paul Holmgren AP

The Philadelphia Flyers are a third of the way through their 2013 schedule and have a dismal 6-9-1 record. They have shown no recent signs of turning a corner and they’re coming off of a particularly discouraging 4-1 defeat on Saturday.

At this point, are GM Paul Holmgren or head coach Peter Laviolette’s jobs in jeopardy?

“Absolutely not,” said the president of the Flyers’ parent company, Comcast-Spectacor Peter Luukko, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer.

“We just need to be patient, and to even think the general manager or coach are in trouble [is false]. It’s not an issue.”

The Flyers do still have time to turn this around, but team captain Claude Giroux suggested that they’re going to need to look inward for answers.

“We gotta play 60 minutes and compete,” Giroux said after Saturday’s loss to Montreal. “We’ve got guys in there that care. It’s unacceptable the way we played tonight. It’s not just one or two or three guys. It’s the whole team. … We’ve gotta be ready for those games.

“Just no compete. We’re not competing. We’re not winning battles. We’re just going through the motions.”

Philadelphia is 1-3-0 on its current road trip and will continue it on Monday against the New York Islanders before wrapping it up Wednesday versus the Pittsburgh Penguins. After that, the Flyers will return home, where they’ve been 4-1-1 this season.

  1. jimw81 - Feb 18, 2013 at 8:06 AM

    6-9-1 in the last 16 games. yea he’s in trouble.

    • jpelle82 - Feb 18, 2013 at 9:33 AM

      the fact that holmgren says he isnt in trouble immediately makes me think he is. i hadnt even thought of him in trouble until just now

    • mustbechris - Feb 18, 2013 at 10:53 AM

      The only people wondering about their job security are the people in the media. It’s not a question among the fans. Their jobs are secure.

  2. hockeywithdrawal - Feb 18, 2013 at 8:07 AM

    I hope the Islanders destroy them. I feel bad for the young kids on the team with talent that have absolutely no leadership or direction.

  3. broadstbully33 - Feb 18, 2013 at 8:13 AM

    Good to hear. The team overachieved IMO last year. This team has huge potential and is very young. We are weak on D but we have two great prospects in cousins and Laughton who could be traded to fill a that void a little. This year was bound to happen the way it is. As long as they don’t quit and tank the season like the pens did on purpose for years ill be ok with a bad season. But man would a top 5 pick be a beautiful thing.

    • hockeywithdrawal - Feb 18, 2013 at 8:20 AM

      You think they aren’t tanking now, then…interesting.

      I don’t think anyone is taking Cousins…but it doesn’t surprise me that you do.

      After bringing up Zolnierczyk…nothing really surprises me anymore.

      Trading an offensive prospect will get you the same in return. Not going to help you.

      • biasedhomer - Feb 18, 2013 at 8:30 AM

        Takes on to know one, Pens are only where they are now through tanking since they suck at drafting outside of the top 5 (even then they have some questionable decisions).

      • sportsfreak13 - Feb 18, 2013 at 9:02 AM

        Just read that article on Cousins and i really hope Lappierre’s comments were taken out of context (not sure how) because that paints him as a horrible human being, To have such non chalent attitude towards a sexual assualt/ rape charge is pathetic. I agree with hockeywithdrawl though it doesnt matter how many goals he puts up no one is trading a good NHL player for a talented prospect facing rape charges.

      • miketoasty - Feb 18, 2013 at 9:06 AM

        biasedhomer: Beau Bennett, recently called up, taken 20th. Simon Depres, played with the team since the start of the season, taken 30th overall. Robert Burtuzzo, played most games this season, taken 78th overall. Joe Vitale, starter for 2 or 3 years, taken 195th overall.

        Oh yea, but we need to draft in the top 5 to be good.

        Also, who have we drafted in the top 5 that would be considered a “Questionable” decision?

      • hockeywithdrawal - Feb 18, 2013 at 9:10 AM

        Sportsfreak – yeah that one surprised me too. He basically says this stuff happens all the time, and you just can’t get away with anything these days…wtf? This guys is in charge of player development for a professional sports club?

      • jpelle82 - Feb 18, 2013 at 9:37 AM

        homer: by your logic the oilers should be much better than they are, islanders too

    • esracerx46 - Feb 18, 2013 at 8:26 AM

      Wasnt Couturier projected to go top 5 way back in 2011, when he slid all the way down to 8th. To say youre one top 5 pick away…its just beyond idiotic.

      • biasedhomer - Feb 18, 2013 at 8:31 AM

        Being projected and being actually drafted are different things.

    • 2jivecrew - Feb 18, 2013 at 1:06 PM

      Gee, what a surprise. Yet another ignorant, factually-challenged Philthy fan schooled by reality. Big thanks to Miketoasty making you look stupid. Go check out that Pens roster during the Suck Years. A glorified AHL squad. “Tank” my ass.

      Your boy G, the “best player in the world”, is about to join Milli Vanilli at the top of the list of flukey one hit wonders. And we all Hartnell will never come close to reproducing last year’s performance so he’ll be of no help when he gets back. That’s what happens when you trade away your best players and make a couple of gingers your team leaders. How sad is that, your boy G can’t do anything without a 40 year old Jagr holding his hand.

      Let’s all point and laugh at the Flyers…….who haven’t done anything since the Gerald Ford administration. And even then, nobody even remembers they won anything. All people remember is the Broad Street Bullies goon show that overshadowed everything.

  4. broadstbully33 - Feb 18, 2013 at 8:15 AM

    Withdrawal do you just post the same comment over and over? We get it you don’t like Giroux but your obsession with him kind of states otherwise.

    • hockeywithdrawal - Feb 18, 2013 at 8:22 AM

      I was actually talking about Laviolette and Holmgren. True that I think Giroux was a horrible choice for “C”, but he’s not much more than a kid either (and a brat, at that).

      • phillyphanatic77 - Feb 18, 2013 at 12:00 PM

        Did you listen to your captain last year?? Not exactly the model captain. And being a Pens fan you have no room to talk about brats.

      • hockeywithdrawal - Feb 18, 2013 at 12:19 PM

        Again – “I was actually talking about Laviolette and Holmgren”.

        I understand that you do not like Crosby any more than I like Giroux. I feel Crosby is the better Captain and the better hockey player, and you feel differently. I’m ok with that.

  5. malkinrulez - Feb 18, 2013 at 8:22 AM

    broadstbully33 are you serious? This from a fan of a fan base that is so obsessed with Crosby it’s creepy!

  6. broadstbully33 - Feb 18, 2013 at 8:36 AM

    I never said a top 5 would fix anything dummy…. Cousins leads the ohl in points. And Philly has had one bad season in 20 years. Pens are known for tanking 4-5 years in a row to build a team. Doesn’t take much editors when u have 1 and 2 picks for years. And Cindy fans call Giroux a brat is halariously pathetic. Pens fans are so embarrassed by the female they have captaining their team that they need to paint Philly in the same light to make them feal better about their team.” Please ref tell them to stop throwing hats, please please ref don’t they know it wasn’t me who scored the hat trick” how pathetic.

    • hockeywithdrawal - Feb 18, 2013 at 8:41 AM

      So the Pens know how to rebuild, and the Flyers don’t. Is that correct?

  7. hockeyfan28 - Feb 18, 2013 at 8:44 AM

    homer deserves the rest of the year and the off season to add some guys to get the ship righted again he knows he made assumptions about some of the young guys that turned out not to be true but Lavy won the locker room war between him and Mike Richards last I checked Mike was having a slightly above average time out in LA while Lavy not so much.

  8. broadstbully33 - Feb 18, 2013 at 8:45 AM

    If you call goin into bankruptcy, practically moving to kc, terrible fan support, purposely losing seasons, and getting a draft rigged rebuilding then yea.

    • miketoasty - Feb 18, 2013 at 10:13 AM

      Any franchise can go into bankruptcy, or any business for that matter. Look at Winnipeg, it sometimes takes a franchise leaving to really appreciate them. Luckily it didn’t get that far for the Pens.

      Obviously you don’t read too much, the KC thing was basically a way for Lemiux and Burkle to force Pittsburgh’s hand. In the end it worked out.

      Terrible fan support? The Pens hit 254 consecutive sell outs the other night, and are also one of the smallest city’s to have an NHL franchise. But oh, yea, terrible fan support.

      Please give me any proof that this was the case, even a link to a shady site would do it, but obviously you are just being a jackass.

      The Crosby draft was rigged? Really, now I know you are being a jackass. I’m pretty sure this is just something Philadelphia made up to feel just a tiny bit better about not winning a Cup since 75.

      • hockeywithdrawal - Feb 18, 2013 at 10:25 AM

        “Obviously you don’t read too much, the KC thing was basically a way for Lemiux and Burkle to force Pittsburgh’s hand. In the end it worked out.”

        Agreed – but don’t forget who’s hand they were REALLY forcing…the filthy, disgusting, sweat and bacon-fat-drenched scumbag we called Governor…who also happened to be from Philadelphia….

        …just sayin’.

      • paresident21 - Feb 18, 2013 at 1:46 PM

        You penguins fans do realize its the year 2013 not 2009 the last time the pens won the cup?? You act like you have won every year since crosby entered the league? As a matter of fact your penguins have only won ONE cup with 2 MVP caliber players in malkin and crosby if you ask me they are an underperforming team. But go ahead and keep pretending you won something in the past 5 years

      • miketoasty - Feb 18, 2013 at 1:59 PM

        paresident21 – 2013 – 5 = 2008, Pens won the cup in 2009. Who is pretending?

        Also, how was anything in this article about the Penguins? I made a rebuttle since broadstreetbully always has to bring everything back to the Pens, the Pens are underachieving and everyone in Pittsburgh knows that. Way to do incorrect math and state the obvious.

      • sportsfreak13 - Feb 18, 2013 at 1:59 PM

        Trust me 2013 is good to us (2nd in the league in points right now). We did only win 1 cup with 2 MVP caliber players but we also have 2 Stanley Cup final appearances. As for the years after that we have been riddled with injuries (especially to those 2 MVP caliber players) that have hampered us in the playoffs. What is a flyer fan doing talking about cups though 1975 righ a bell?? Since then you have had guys like richards and carter go through your town as a pit stop to winning the cup in LA.

      • paresident21 - Feb 18, 2013 at 2:17 PM


        Thats 5 years champ i know your inbred in pburgh so its ok, your not winning the cup this year so lets get that out of the way now. You guys are stanley cup champs in feb I get it just like the last 4 years, congrats being in first NOW gets you nothing. I really hope the flyers get the 8 seed and they play you idiots first so we can send you packing back to back yet again. And please back off broadstreetbully, we have to deal with hockeywithdrawl on every flyers article every single day, he only replys to that idiot. That dude has nothing to do with his life but comment on every flyers article on here.

      • miketoasty - Feb 18, 2013 at 2:33 PM

        paresident21 – First off, relax. You sound like you have so much anger, all over an online message board. Chill out, drink a beer (Or seven).

        This June will mark the 5th year since the Pens won the cup so either way you look at it we have won the cup inside of the last 5 years.

        Also, no one said the Pens were going to win the cup, I believe they will but everyone thinks that their team is going to win the cup, every year. That’s called being a fan.

    • hockeywithdrawal - Feb 18, 2013 at 10:27 AM

      Pittsburgh was voted best NHL fans recently by Forbes. Philadelphia was voted worst fans by GQ.

      • paresident21 - Feb 18, 2013 at 1:37 PM

        Heres a surpise hockeywithdrawal commenting on a flyers artictle the team he “hates” so much he has to say something every single day. And commenting on a GQ article about sports??? Really bro? You really are lonely in your moms basement aren’t you? Keep reading your GQ dude one day you will find a woman.

      • miketoasty - Feb 18, 2013 at 2:00 PM

        paresident21 – The Pens were brought up by Flyers fans, it seems like what you are trying to insinuate has backfired.

      • hockeywithdrawal - Feb 18, 2013 at 2:15 PM

        He’s right paresident21, that comment was in response to a comment from broadstreet. I certainly wouldn’t have brought up the Pens otherwise, nor would I have thought to bring my living conditions into the comment section the way you did (classy! hahaha).

        It is no secret that I don’t like the Flyers, and it’s low-class support group fans are probably the biggest reason why (2nd being the dirty ‘style’ of the way they play). You and your comments are an excellent example of the former. Actually I was wrong – Philly fans were the worst AND second worst in that article…I think the writer sums it up best:

        2 and 1. Philadelphia Eagles and Philadelphia Phillies

        Over the years, Philadelphia fans have booed Santa Claus as well as their own star players. They’ve even booed a guy who just helped the city win a friggin’ World Series title—while he was getting his ring. Boooo! Admittedly, there are some things fans have cheered. Like Michael Irvin’s career-ending neck injury and a fan being tased on the outfield grass. Things reached their nadir last season, when Citizens Bank Park played host to arguably the most heinous incident in the history of sports: A drunken fan intentionally vomited on an 11-year-old girl. The truth is this: All told, Philadelphia stadiums house the most monstrous collection of humanity outside of the federal penal system. “Some of these people would boo the crack in the Liberty Bell,” baseball legend Pete Rose once said. More likely, these savages would have thrown the battery that cracked it.

        Read More

      • hockeywithdrawal - Feb 18, 2013 at 2:16 PM

        You know, I just realized that the Flyer fans weren’t mentioned? hahaha hmmm….I’m sure the Philthy fans are MUCH better……….right???

      • paresident21 - Feb 18, 2013 at 2:19 PM

        Really hockeywithdrawl the writer is biased agains the city of philadelphia just like you, he left out all the stabbing and beatings that happen at dodgers stadium and at every san francisco vs raiders game? why is that left out? California has more fan violence then anything here in philadelphia, there are idiots at every stadium in every city across america.

      • paresident21 - Feb 18, 2013 at 2:22 PM

        Unlike you toothless inbreds from pittsburgh I have a job making $150,000. I dont need mommy and daddy like you, I went to college and acutally graduated. But please continue sitting in your moms basement commenting on every flyers article maybe one day you will grow up into a mature adult and make it on your own, that is if you can stop day dreaming about your cousin

      • hockeywithdrawal - Feb 18, 2013 at 2:34 PM

        You sound very educated. You don’t at all sound like the people referenced in the article. Every stadium has it’s idiots, I agree…there’s just an abnormally high concentration of them located in the Philly area. The class of the Philly people is well known. You are a prime example. And honestly, outside of the “trading Nick Cousins” remark, had none of you Philly a-holes brought up the Pens, the Pens fans wouldn’t have responded. Why would we? We’re loving the Flyers performance (or lack thereof) this year! It does look like they might win today though.

      • miketoasty - Feb 18, 2013 at 2:39 PM

        paresident21 – I also graduated from College but unlike you I learned how to make complete sentences with proper punctuation. I severely doubt you make $150k but none the less that is not here nor there, and using how much you make to show how super awesome you are shows just how mad you are getting right now. Every point you bring up keeps getting shot down so you keep digging further and further for things to bring up. Relax, take a deep breath, and go outside for a minute or two.

        Also, I am 100% sure that neither of my parents nor their ancestors have ever made love to each other and I am in fact not an inbred.

        Also, also, I am at work right now but I am finding it hard to work with you posting worthless dribble all over the forums that I regularly visit.

      • ml3939 - Feb 18, 2013 at 3:27 PM

        I hope we don’t have to hear all about how many chicks everyone is banging next or the infamous my dad can beat up your dad arguments.

      • paresident21 - Feb 18, 2013 at 5:49 PM

        Hey miketoasty ive said this once, ill say it again. I have been reading this site for years without saying a word on these boards. But when I see a flyers article posted I know for a fact hockeywithdroolor somw other troll is going to say something idiotic that has nothing to do with him or the city of pittsburgh. I would love to have real, infelligent hockey conversations but thats not possible so you know what they say, if you cant beat em join em. My comments are dumb and annoying but so are everyone elses. Just go look at who the first comment is on todays flyers game story and you will understand what im talking about, hes non stop.

  9. broadstbully33 - Feb 18, 2013 at 8:51 AM

    Lavy is also dealing with a much younger team built on potential not experience. If I could change one thing about lacy would be his defensive mind set. He is such an offensive style coach that he forgets about the blue line. I don’t know if that is him or the guys back there but the blue line doesn’t seem to ever be in position and the passing out of the back end is just terrible. It seems like they spend more time trying to set up a play back there then any other team.

  10. steelers88 - Feb 18, 2013 at 9:40 AM

    If Laviolette isn’t going to be fired then there has be a big trade. Something to shakeup the team.

  11. capsfan19 - Feb 18, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    So everyone writes the caps off, but flyers have literally one more win, and in the last five games i think we know which team has looked better…
    And people freak out about ovi but where has giroux been? Im not trying to hate im just pointing out what the press releases

    • ml3939 - Feb 18, 2013 at 3:20 PM

      Giroux has not been playing up to his capabilities for less than 20 games. Ovechkin is into his third season of subpar play.

  12. Jack Bauer 24 - Feb 18, 2013 at 11:34 AM

    fan bases are wishy washy these days, the average “lifer” fan of a team cant even afford to attend games anymore … as far as who’s a true fan or not , had the Flyers showcased 5 to 6 last place losing teams in a row, that building would have slowly became a ghost town and emptied out more each passing season. Fans want winners , and for the most part, the flyers produce success (in the regular season that is) so this whole tanking scenario is an non issue

    • ml3939 - Feb 18, 2013 at 2:54 PM

      I have only read a couple of your posts. I can only conclude that you are a turd. 89-90 through 93-94 would be considered the Flyers’ dark years and attendance did not wane in the least bit-

      I read one of your posts the other day implying all that th Flyers got out of the Richards and Carter deals was Simmonds. You then went on to state Voracek is a third line player at best.

      Keep on soldiering for ignorance. You are clearly the Mario Lemeiux of that realm.

      • Jack Bauer 24 - Feb 18, 2013 at 3:24 PM

        Voracek isnt anything special , and I dont even like Simmonds but I can assure you he’ll be alot more productive then “Coots” as far as scoring production. , referring to someone as a turd is weak, if you’re going to call me a name , make it a funny one at least .

      • ml3939 - Feb 18, 2013 at 3:51 PM

        I wasn’t trying to be funny in calling you a turd, just honest. I pictured that irrelevant little turd sitting at the bottom of the bowl hanging around for the second flush.

        So please, address the decreased attendance issue the Flyers had in the early to mid-90’s. You can then let me know how points/goals are the sole measure of a hockey player. Then go watch some Flyers games and let me know how Voracek is not a maturing 23 year old showing some advanced abilities. You may want to watch him carry the puck and admire his “vision” for the ice. I agree he is not a star yet but he is definitely showing some serious upside that probably was stunted in hockey purgatory (Columbus- based on previous posts I am not sure you would have known that).

  13. ironman721 - Feb 18, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    1975 vs. Bankruptcy and broadstbull is back spouting his usual Crosby sucks/NHL-Pittsburgh conspiracy nonsense… All is right with the world. I was getting worried for a second. Thank god for Pens vs. Flyers Wednesday night!

  14. 19to77 - Feb 18, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    Ah, good, then the Cup isn’t in jeopardy of being won by Philadelphia anytime soon, either. As long as Homer trades a core player or three every year, the Flyers will never touch the Cup again. Seriously, “preaching patience” and “not firing Paul Holmgren” don’t mix. Homer is anti-patience, and because of that, he will never build a Cup winner.

  15. ml3939 - Feb 18, 2013 at 1:07 PM

    @miketoasy and any Pens’ fan unaware of your teams’ shady history-

    • miketoasty - Feb 18, 2013 at 1:43 PM

      So the first part about your article was about how the Pens “Tanked” to get Mario, which was never really a question.

      Then the second half is all about getting Ovechkin, nowhere in there does it talk about Crosby or any of the other top 5 picks the Penguins went for/got.

      • ml3939 - Feb 18, 2013 at 2:00 PM

        I was only addressing the Lemeiux incident. You didn’t touch on it so it was nuclear which incident you were referencing. Your response to me was the first from a Pens’ acknowledging the team intentionally lost games to draft Lemeiux. I do not believe that happened when they drafted MAF, Crosby, Malkin and Stahl in consecutive drafts, they were just a very bad team at the time ( I say that as a matter of fact, not tobe insulting).

      • miketoasty - Feb 18, 2013 at 2:06 PM

        I completely agree with your article then, and yes, in the early 2000’s the Pens were a despicable team.

  16. kicksave1980 - Feb 18, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    Why do these always turn into a Flyers/Penguins p**sing match? Some of you guys are worse than the idiots that interject politics into every conversation.

    • ml3939 - Feb 18, 2013 at 2:23 PM

      Because it is one of top rivalries in all of sports right now. Unfortunately trolling on both sides usually ends up making both fan bases look pathetic.

      • kicksave1980 - Feb 18, 2013 at 4:04 PM

        I agree that it is a good rivalry, and as a fan of a Western conference team, I really don’t hate either the Pens or Flyers. In fact, both teams have players that I like and dislike. It’s just crazy how every article turns into the same comments section. Hopefully they play again in this year’s playoffs, because who doesn’t want to see that?! And hopefully the internet doesn’t explode.

    • hockeywithdrawal - Feb 18, 2013 at 2:43 PM

      As a Pens fan, I can honestly say this happened because Broadstreet mentions the Pens in the comment section of every article, regardless of who it’s about. We should probably be the bigger people and just let it go, but I don’t think any of us are prepared to do so.

      • ml3939 - Feb 18, 2013 at 2:57 PM

        Yeah it is completely one-sided. It must be my imagination that posters such as crosberries, bobhpine and others named after the anatomy of Pens’ players post here too.

  17. paresident21 - Feb 18, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    For how great you penguins fans say crosby and malking are they only have 1 cup which was 5 years ago, quit acting like you have won the cup every year since sissy and shrek have joined the league, if you ask me they are an underperforming team with TWO MVP caliber players. And keep saying 1975 when in 2012 these same flyers who suck so much sent your pitiful penguins home wiping their tears away.

  18. flyerguy73 - Feb 18, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    Hockey withdrawal the moron that he is (pens fan), keeps spouting off like the idiot that he is. Btw, the Flyers are putting an ass whooping on the islanders, that you hoped the islanders would do to the flyers. Go play in the street or something. Make everyone happy.

  19. dolphins4 - Feb 18, 2013 at 3:48 PM

    I think Comcast Philadelphia have the 2 most beautiful women commentators who talk about the Flyers in Lisa Hillary and Sarah Baicker.

  20. amaiorana13 - Feb 18, 2013 at 4:53 PM

    Reblogged this on Evening the Score and commented:
    thank god, it’s not the coaching staff that’s the problem it’s the way the team’s playing. they’ve had no life and barely move around on the ice, it’s been almost depressing

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