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Discuss: Penguins top Capitals

Feb 3, 2013, 3:17 PM EDT

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The Pittsburgh Penguins and Washington Capitals maintained their tradition of Super Bowl Sunday skirmishes today, with Pittsburgh taking this one 6-3. Let’s get to the talking points from the Pens’ road win:

  • Keith Jones and Mike Milbury tried to diagnose what’s wrong with Alex Ovechkin, at least compared to his old form. Do you think they’re correct in deeming him too predictable or is there a different issue plaguing him? Is there actually nothing wrong but bad luck?
  • Some believe that Braden Holtby should have been pulled in the second period. Did Adam Oates make the right choice in leaving him in? Which goalie should hold the Caps’ top job going forward: Holtby or Michal Neuvirth?
  • Mike Green had a goal on Sunday. Can he regain his prolific, pre-injury form or is this just a blip on the radar?
  • Vancouver Canucks GM Mike Gillis was at the game. Who do you think he was looking at the most? OK, we’ll bait you: how would Roberto Luongo fit in with the Capitals and what combination of players would make sense to land him?
  • Mike Ribeiro had two points (one goal, one assist) on Sunday, pushing his total to 10 points in nine games. He’s quietly been a boon for the struggling team.
  • Chris Kunitz collected a hat trick today. Was he the best player on the ice, as the numbers would suggest?
  1. 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Feb 3, 2013 at 3:20 PM

    Caps suck. That’s all there is to it. I feel bad for Holtby but saw nothing wrong with leaving him in. It doesn’t matter who the #1 is going forward because the team in front of the guy isn’t being much help.

    • bobhpine - Feb 4, 2013 at 12:03 AM

      It’s hard for you to give the Penguins credit, isn’t it?

      Jim Morrison would think you’re a dork.

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Feb 4, 2013 at 6:06 PM

        Jeez, the Pens fans on this board are certainly some of the most annoying individuals out there.

        What are you basing your statement on? I give credit where credit is due. But I didn’t see anything outstanding from the Pens in this game, I saw them beating a lousy team. I hate to be the one to break it to you but not everything the Pens do is godly.

  2. sportsfreak13 - Feb 3, 2013 at 3:25 PM

    Good win. Pens didn’t play great in the third but stood their ground. Getting 4 points in a back to back situation is huge during this shortned season.

    • eigglesnosuperbowls - Feb 3, 2013 at 3:31 PM

      In all reality the Pens dominated the Caps today and if a goal did not go in off the hot dog vendor for the Caps it could have been worse ! A real good win for the Pens they looked real solid an Malkin did not even show up in this game !

      • letsgopens8771 - Feb 3, 2013 at 3:40 PM

        Good point. That partition goal was complete garbage and the Pens did dominate with a ferocious forecheck and a much better powerplay, but just because Malkin doesn’t score, that doesn’t mean he didn’t show up. He had 2 assists and solid shifts out there.

      • eigglesnosuperbowls - Feb 3, 2013 at 3:44 PM

        I did not mean show up in the literal sense just mean he himself on a good day could have had a 4 or 5 point game which would have been really a rub in !

  3. steeltownpride87 - Feb 3, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    I think it was a good ole fashion ass whoopin . Pittsburgh is clearly a class about the Caps and its not even close . Tomas Volkoun wanted this win so bad . And thats by Dan played him . Pens are rolling and the caps are reeling . I doubt the Caps even make the playoffs . Oveckin is a one trick pony that isnt capible to changing his game to make himself more effective . Pittsburgh is stacked in all their lines . Only weakness can be at times defense and Fleury .

    • steeltownpride87 - Feb 3, 2013 at 3:28 PM

      A class above .

      • rg3isvictory - Feb 4, 2013 at 2:15 AM

        Don’t worry, those of us whose can speak and write correctly don’t expect much from those PA natives. But if you’re going to correct one grammatical error, why not fix them all? In truth, it might have been better to delete and start over. In DC, we have class where it counts! Really, how embarrassing for you to post a comment on class while having now respect for the English language and in turn having no CLASS? It was a rhetorical question. may help.

      • mp1131211 - Feb 4, 2013 at 4:09 AM


        Your response is full of grammatical errors as well as displays a lack of understanding for the technology you’re using. Plus you’ve got a typo in there!

      • steelpenbucs87 - Feb 4, 2013 at 9:45 AM

        rg3isvictory – typically people who critique someone’s grammar and/or diction do so because they don’t have an argument with any merit…. seems to hold true here.

  4. mp1113 - Feb 3, 2013 at 3:30 PM

    Yeah except for the fact that the pens 3rd and 4th goals were garbage and holtby easily should’ve them. Oh well. We suck this year. Pack it in for next season

  5. footballfan - Feb 3, 2013 at 3:34 PM

    I personally think Ovie’s big issue is his attitude. When things are going his way and he is playing hard he is one of the best. When he is in a slump, his teammates are in a slump, or both he mopes around acts like he could care less. Might need a change of scenery.

  6. rushledger - Feb 3, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    Luongo honestly makes some sense in Washington. It looked like holtby was the guy last year but both him and Neuvirth don’t look like starters and they need something quick to salvage their season and as good as Lu has been so far Vancouver won’t wanna keep paying two guys around 10 million something has to give.

  7. brela1012814 - Feb 3, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    Personally, I think it wouldn’t have mattered whether Oates pulled Holtby or not. This Caps team is not good at all. Their defense is horrible. They don’t clean out their crease, which led to a Cooke goal. He shouldn’t have been allowed to just stand there. Their offense is garbage. They have absolutely nobody who can score. Ovi’s got 3 points so far? Nothing is clicking for the Caps. Their PP seems to be get it to Ovi and watch him blast it from the point. Who’s that gonna beat? Oates needs to fix this, and quick. I really feel bad for him. He was a great player and could be a good coach. He knows the game well. This team is going to get him fired.

  8. csilojohnson - Feb 3, 2013 at 3:47 PM

    Ovie is to predictable. He can create some space when he is playing hard. Otherwise he just sits in the same spot, waiting for the same one timer. His two real goals this year were that same shot. The caps problems are not players though. The timing of the coach changes and the lockout hurt them more then any other team. They just need a training camp.

  9. franchisethighs - Feb 3, 2013 at 3:49 PM

    Well well well. What do we have here? Oh just the usual from a franchise who is so used to winning sometimes they just let other teams win. (Looking at you last year filthy.) see what a little confidence does to a team? Back to the bottom losers. Even an intervention from god and a well placed piece of plastic couldn’t stop this machine known as the penguins. 45-3 let’s go!

  10. ironman721 - Feb 3, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    Good win! That’s 3 strait solid games. It’s early but the Pens are playing good defense as well as putting the puck in the net. The goalie gave up a stupid goal off the glass but other than that it was a great game!

  11. psu4me - Feb 3, 2013 at 4:24 PM

    I hope philly fans were watching so they see the caps dont get any love from the refs either.

    • brela1012814 - Feb 3, 2013 at 4:53 PM

      Officiating wasn’t an issue in this game. Don’t make it one.

      • psu4me - Feb 3, 2013 at 5:23 PM

        Sorry but that call on wolski that took away a PP from us and put the pens on the PP that gave them their 3rd goal? and the no call on malkin putting the puck over the glass? even the biased nbc announcers pointed those out.

      • brela1012814 - Feb 3, 2013 at 6:04 PM

        And the missed call on who was it? Carlson? Hooking Sid the whole way to the net? A bad call here and there goes both ways. It ALWAYS has. Doesn’t mean the Pens got helped or the Caps got hurt by the officiating. That’s just excuses

      • psu4me - Feb 3, 2013 at 6:11 PM

        Carlson wasnt hooking he had his stick out but it wasnt wrapped on crosbys arm, nice try by crosby going down at the end to try and draw a call there though.

      • brela1012814 - Feb 3, 2013 at 7:22 PM

        LOL@psu4me you must be blind then. Go watch it again. He did everything but yank him down.

    • hockeywithdrawal - Feb 3, 2013 at 5:37 PM

      Just so you know, no one’s EVER happy with officiating. Take away the PP goals, Pens still won. To say that that team (or Philthy) isn’t winning because of officiating (if you are) is insane. There are always calls on both sides that fans don’t agree with.

      • psu4me - Feb 3, 2013 at 5:47 PM

        Im not saying caps win if those calls are made correctly but after hearing about the missed call on erskine from philly fans I felt it needed to be pointed out.

      • hockeywithdrawal - Feb 3, 2013 at 5:52 PM

        Nah, it really didn’t. It’s just whining. Philthy and Caps are in 14th and 15th place in the East because they aren’t playing well, period. No one is helping them lose, they don’t need help.

      • psu4me - Feb 3, 2013 at 5:54 PM

        we arent playing well but you cant argue that it didnt help your pens win.

  12. psu4me - Feb 3, 2013 at 4:26 PM

    Oh and we need to start shooting on the PP instead of just passing it around until one guy gets trapped on the boards

    • steelpenbucs87 - Feb 4, 2013 at 9:52 AM

      I was at the game yesterday and this (at least in my section) seemed to be a pretty common complaint – everyone was screaming, “Shoot!” the moment someone got the puck on their stick and a little bit of space. Same thing happens with Pens fans as well for that matter.

      For everyone’s edification: on a powerplay you don’t want to shoot for the sake of shooting – as my Peewee coach used to say, “While shooting is never a bad play, it’s not always the RIGHT play.” The fact of the matter is that on the powerplay you have the luxury of time and space to try to get the best possible shot. But when you take a shot – you risk a defensemen sending it 96 feet if it doesn’t go in, and you losing 20% of your powerplay time retrieving the puck. So having patience on the powerplay is not a bad thing.

      Now with that being said, I do believe that some teams can let the perfect be the enemy of the very good – not taking a very good shot because its not perfect – but for the most part blindly yelling “shoot!” is not the right thing to do.

      Let the thumbs down’s rain upon me.

  13. bd0986 - Feb 3, 2013 at 4:37 PM

    Caps fans, it’s time to wake up and understand that the game isn’t just offense. As exciting as it is to watch the boys scoring ridiculous amounts of goals as they did during Beaudreau era, that didn’t equate to wins in the playoffs. I realized it was time to dump Ovechkin after they lost to Tampa Bay in the playoffs a couple of seasons ago. He is one of the most predictable players in the league. This is a team sport and he clearly doesn’t buy into that. He’s awful defensively. Just watch him when the other team comes up ice and he’ll lollygag around center ice waiting for a clearing pass. only trouble is that gives the other team a 5 on 4 basically. No problems with Oates yet. As someone pointed out, Caps need a training camp.

    • drunk4thliners - Feb 3, 2013 at 4:42 PM

      Ovie reminds me of another star talent that cherry picked and never played defense. It may be blasphemy, but luckily #66 learned the value of being a more complete player. I doubt Ovie will ever learn that lesson.

  14. drunk4thliners - Feb 3, 2013 at 4:38 PM

    Great weekend, Pens. And they finished it off with a Kunitz hat trick! I believe those that say the Pens needed to knock the rust off for a few games. This is real Penguins hockey! And the Volkoun addition in the offseason improves the biggest need- fewer pucks in our net. Gives Fleury a bit of competition, too, which makes both play well. Anyone looking at the improved play of Paul Martin? I don’t care what was wrong with him before, but this year he looks like what the Pens needed when they got him. Better D was the Achilles heel last year.

    • brela1012814 - Feb 3, 2013 at 4:57 PM

      Two starting-caliber goaltenders, plus spread-out offense, plus good D (Glad Martin seems to have found his game again), plus a team that has remained largely intact after their Cup win = a legitimate threat for another cup

  15. martysbetter - Feb 3, 2013 at 5:47 PM

    I feel for Adam Oates, he inherited a team full of headaches in the Washington Capitals.

    I can’t quite figure out why they’re playing so badly, they have talent on that team and their goaltending isn’t terrible (Neuvirth played really well against NJ, Holtby looked worse than he is today).

    I think Ovechkin is trying to do way too much, its like he thinks he needs to put the team on his back – the dude is insanely talented, its better for the league when he is performing at the level he has established in years prior, its a really weird situation.

    • brela1012814 - Feb 3, 2013 at 7:24 PM

      I’ll say it again – this team is going to get him fired real quick.

  16. themagicfanguy - Feb 3, 2013 at 5:55 PM

    Can’t wait to play the Pens, should be a great game! GO BOLTS!!

    • brela1012814 - Feb 3, 2013 at 6:06 PM

      I would rather watch Stammer than Ovi. Love seeing Malone again, too!

  17. Nofoolnodrool - Feb 3, 2013 at 6:06 PM

    I hope philly fans were watching so they see the caps dont get any love from the refs either.

    Waaaaaaaaa. Waaaa time to grow into some big boy pants

    • psu4me - Feb 3, 2013 at 6:15 PM

      I point out that the officials made errors and address it towards the philly fans who were complaining about caps getting all the calls and a bunch of pit fans say its whining. you guys won dont be so insecure.

  18. har21441 - Feb 3, 2013 at 7:22 PM

    Whining about officiating after a 6 – 2 drumming (excluding the goal scored by the glass) is just a way to ignore the bigger problems of the team (no matter what your point for bringing it up in the first place).
    If Malkin’s shot to the stands did not nip the glass (I couldn’t tell) it should have been a penalty. The hook on Crosby (and yes, no matter if it impeded his progress or not, it’s a hook) was also a penalty. There are a ton of calls missed both ways in every game. Get over it.
    As for the rest…the “biased” announcers, Sid’s “diving”, the refs favor whatever team the Caps play – just…enough. It’s a loss, and if you can’t handle it, maybe hunker down in your safe room because it looks like you’ll have a few more than you’re used to this year.

  19. steelers88 - Feb 3, 2013 at 7:28 PM

    I still can’t rap my mind around how the Caps can go from winning the presidents trophy 4 years ago to being a pretty bad team. I just don’t understand.

    • drunk4thliners - Feb 3, 2013 at 10:30 PM

      Well, like footballfan said earlier, it may be a bad attitude. Teams who have a dearth of talent and produce great results have to have the character to handle the top of the hill. I’m not saying there are not character guys on the Caps, I’m saying the focus may not be there or the team needs better leadership in the locker room. You take the highs and the lows the same. I hate saying this, but a great NHL example is the Red Wings. All those was with great leadership… And they had tremendous success, even without winning it all every year. There’s something. To be said for heart. And passion for the game. It goes with the skills to make you a champion.

  20. themagicfanguy - Feb 3, 2013 at 10:02 PM

    I’m interested to see how Stammer and Conacher do against the Pens.

  21. bobhpine - Feb 4, 2013 at 12:15 AM

    As a Penguins fan, I have to say it is truly awesome that the refs are completely on our side. I mean, literally every W is aided by a bevy of favorable calls that always turn the game in our favor. The Devils, Rangers, Caps, and of course, the whining, sniveling, pillow biting Flyers, are all consistently cheated out of ever rightfully beating the Penguins. The refs always so obviously RIG the games, man! They are all fixed. You gotta LOL.

    It’s so awesome because Crosby has never been held, but he manages to get the calls.

    The Caps were about the win today. I mean they were seconds away from overcoming a two goal lead with 64 seconds left and BOOM…two penalties on Washington, and then its over.

    So crazy guys.. Love the conspiracy!

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