Think of how many divisional deals have ever been done in the modern NHL and it’s very few. Then think of how many of those were for reasonably significant roster players and that leaves only a handful. Then look at the value in that handful of deals and consider who overpaid to get the player they wanted.

The Kessel deal is a great example (and one of the only ones) that was supposed to be not as bad because the picks they gave up – two 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder – were projected to be lower in the draft. Burke thought the Leafs were closer to a playoff spot than they were and instead they turned out to be lottery picks. Edmonton would likely have to include their 1st as incentive to make it happen, but they’d be hoping its middle of the draft order or lower.

Philly already has a higher price goalie, doubt they carry 2 nor do they have the cap space to.

Bryz is terrible because of porous defense just as much as his own psychosis.

Also, I know it read that way but I did not think Gagner would be enough straight up, but Gagner, a first rounder and one of Zharkov, Hartikainen, or Klefbom… that could be enough. They’ll have Gagne for now and the pick/player for later.

again, I am not worried about the dollar amount at all, 5.3 is a great cap hit for a goalie of his ability… its just that luongo may not be a servicable goalie by 2018 or so. That could be a devastating cap hit for someone who isn’t starting or playing at all. and a buyout on a cap hit of 5.3 would be huge

Yes the salary cap is actually going down next year, but looking at the general trend of …well everything financial ever, I think it’s a pretty safe bet that by 2020 $5.3 on your cap is not going to be that big of a deal / have any noteworthy impact on how you budget your team. (Even without any new considerations in the CBA regarding salary and cap hits.)

-Wild fan (yes I understand the irony)

Or what you said.

Edmonton doesn’t want to give up pieces that will come back to haunt them and Vancouver is aware of the exact same thing. That’s magnified 5 times when you play against that opponent more than you do against other teams outside your own division.

It is nice that you’ve cleared up which team you’re cheering for and why you’d have to add insults to an otherwise reasonable post. It is true based on the discussion from the original comment by billsin20XX (ironic considering where you’ve taken this) that Buffalo doesn’t have anyone of either Henrik or Kesler’s calibre and that Hodgson was behind them in the pecking order if he stayed in Vancouver. It’s also true his agent at least had been asking for more ice time and that Cody himself sat down with Vigneault to ask for it as well.

As far as players like Gartner and Hawerchuk, I celebrate their accomplishments as much as I do someone like Cam Neely’s. Ray Bourque is a great example of a player you can celebrate for individual achievements despite only winning the Cup with another team than the one you’re cheering for.

Cup or not, do you forget what those players have achieved? Do people just dismiss that Gretzky holds a ton of NHL records because he won the Stanley Cup a number of times? More importantly, why does it apply to this thread of discussion based on billsin20XX’s comment? Think about that and then come back and try and dismiss Henrik or Kesler as players ahead of Hodgson in the Canucks roster.

It’s because there’s zero chance the Canucks trade Luongo to a team they play at least 8 times a year, and a team whose success will come at their own expense.

1- By the words of the Bruins involved Weise did not chicken out or break the code … if we’re gonna discuss something happened years ago let’s at least remember the details of what we’re talking about.

2 – Both Hodgson and Kassian are having great starts to a shortened season that started without a training camp … after 2 – 3 games. Let’s calm down on pretending the true value of the deal has been resolved.

As I said the Canucks need to use the rulebook to their advantage to win games (whereas the Bruins want to keep the game outside of those parameters as much as possible) and that means drawing penalties.

Henrik’s not immune to it.

That being said if you think the Canucks are the only team in the league that does it – or for that matter if you think there is ANY team in the league that does not – you’re out to lunch.

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wo would it be? No one in their division needs a goalie. Wild, Flames, Av’s, EDM …. so that leaves.
Phoenix – no
Los Angeles – heck no
Detroit – heck no
Nashville – heck no
Dallas – no
San Jose – maybe ???
Columbus – maybe but I highly doubt it
St. Louis – heck no
Anaheim – maybe
Chicago – maybe
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then figure his current salary 5.33 till the end of time and that leaves Chicago out, san jose out, anaheim needs to sign current roster players for next year so they’re a no… that leaves only columbus but with Bobrovsky’s hot start, I doubt they are feeling the need to make a deal, and I doubt columbus is looking to bring in a franchise goalie at this time…. so who would it be ???? I have no clue

Kesler, Burrows and Lapierre are all brutal for embellishment and I hate it.

As for the Rome hit on Horton, it was very late and if it had happened the next season it would have been completely illegal even if delivered on time. Dirty hit. I said Rome hospitalized Horton because Rome hit Horton and then Horton went to the hospital, not because I enjoyed seeing it or I am making assumptions about anyone’s motivation or anything.

(Seriously, in what world am I complimenting someone when I say they “hospitalized” someone? That’s a bad thing.)

Horton could have done a lot to minimize impact but as I’ve said every single time his concussion problems are brought up on this site, even though I don’t like him as a player I don’t wish that kind of harm to anyone and I hope his problems are truly behind him now.

As for the Canucks being “fake tough,” they go to the dirty areas and they play a physical game, nothing fake about that. They also try to win according to the rulebook, which is a double edged sword but that’s the path they’ve chosen. I don’t see it as being vastly more or less honorable than the “abuse the rules so badly they can’t possibly call them all” path that the Bruins and Ducks have taken in recent years.

As for Dale Weise he was a 23 year old rookie who breached The Code, that was unfortunate. He needs to figure out his role in this league and stick to it, he may be good enough to be a third liner one day but right now he has to answer the bell (and if he doesn’t want to on a particular occasion he should keep his mouth shut).

Anyway you can deny that you are in here stirring the pot but the fact is that you showed up in a thread about a potential Luongo trade and started throwing barbs around about the Canucks organization from top to bottom.. have you even mentioned Luongo yet?

also i dont see them dealing within the division, and i think ti will take a little more than Gagner to pull the trigger if he were to come to the oil, maybe a pick or a prospect from the system, possibly magnus …now i can see gagner, magnus and a pick for a deal , and buy out Khabibulin

More than likely, he’ll end up going to a Columbus type… but if I’m Edmonton, and I am serious about winning, I would move someone like Gagner for Luo. Dubnyk isn’t going to take you to the cup any more than Luo is, but Luo gives you a better chance of making the playoffs.

Even if the team he plays for gets swept in 4 because they’re not good enough, 2 home games of extra revenue is usually enough to convince an owner or two.

Schneider will be ok (and he was hardly the only top goalie to have a stinker on opening night), but you’re right that the benefit is there to carry two top goalies in a shortened season. Gillis has said a deal like this takes time, so I expect he’ll have that to get it settled to a point where he does get value back in the deal rather than other teams’ throwaways.

I’m calling it trolling because it’s nicer than calling it idiocy.

I’d also like to address your claim that the Canucks have failed to be a tough team, the fact is that they were the more physical team in each of their first three series, and you could make a decent argument that they were more physical than the Bruins before Aaron Rome hospitalized Nathan Horton and the Bruins remembered what they were playing for.

I don’t know where this notion that Luongo is a terrible goalie with a laughable contract comes from. Sure he has folded in the playoffs a couple times, but his regular season stats are top notch. There are plenty of teams that would be tickled just to make the playoffs and would kill to have a goalie of Luongos quality… so its not at all hard to imagine a trade happening IF the Canucks actually want to trade him.

To that point, I’m not convinced they actually do want to trade him right now. Schneiders first game as the starter was a train wreck, and Luongo looked quite solid. If they trade Luongo and Schneider tanks, Gillis could end up without a job next year. So don’t expect a rush to trade Luongo until its clear Schneider can actually handle the starting role.

It’s not about calling Buffalo idiots and Vancouver gods, it’s about Hodgson having two all-star centers ahead of him on the Canucks yet his agent and father were pushing for more ice time. Hodgson has competition in Buffalo, no doubt, but no one cemented into those top 2 center roles, so it’s a pretty good gig when you get dropped on a line between Vanek and Pominville.

But feel free to continue to try and insult someone saying they haven’t won a cup, that goes for a fair portion of the players currently in the league. There are even some great names of hockey that never got the chance to lift the Cup, like Dale Hawerchuk, Darryl Sittler, Peter Stastny, Mike Gartner, Marcel Dionne, and yes even Gilbert Perrault.

He’ll do fine in Buffalo where they won’t ask him to do that but in Vancouver the writing was on the wall when the team had Ryan Kesler slumming in a checking line role for most of the season.

Obviously the Canucks have a problem with center depth right now what with Kesler out and Manny Malhotra a shadow of his former self (but still eating up full market value for a high end checking center on the team’s cap).

Hopefully Jordan Schroeder can learn the ropes and be an effective third liner by the time the playoffs roll around and hopefully the Canucks get an asset back to further address this area in a Luongo trade.

If not it’s going to have to be a deadline acquisition – or the Canucks will sit back and make their move next season instead.