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Jan 20, 2013, 3:14 PM EDT

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The Philadelphia Flyers appeared on two NBC games this weekend and left without a single standings point. The Buffalo Sabres bested them on Sunday, managing a 5-2 win that was closer than the score indicates.

Let’s get to the talking points.

  • Thomas Vanek came up huge in the game, scoring a career-high five points. Can the highly paid sniper be a consistent threat for a Buffalo team in need of elite production?
  • The Philadelphia Flyers have allowed four power-play goals in two games, including three on Sunday. What does Peter Laviolette need to do to improve the PK?
  • The general consensus is that Ilya Bryzgalov hasn’t been to blame for this weekend’s two losses. Still, do you worry that the tiger-fearing netminder’s confidence might wane?
  • This was the first bout between a team that was well-rested (Buffalo) and the team on the heels of a back-to-back (Philly). How much of a factor was fatigue and how often could that be a make-or-break element during the season.
  • How many losses will it take for things to start going sour for the Flyers?
  • What do you think of the more rough-and-tumble Sabres, such as Steve Ott (who scored on the PP)?
  • Mikhail Grigorenko had a quiet debut for Buffalo. Should he ultimately stay with the big club?
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  1. dcent87 - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:19 PM

    Should have been different. Refs called off 2 flyer goals. Poor officiating all around. Get your act together refs. Pitiful.

    • sportsfreak13 - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:21 PM

      These are the same fans that call Crosby a crybaby. Unreal!

      • thetruth234567 - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:33 PM

        sportsfreak, read the book about the nba refs control the game. apply it to the other sports, ez to see. icing being waved off, 4 on 4 that should be. handed out pp s on weak calls they have been ignoring all game. its there, feel bad for the players of all the sports that are getting hosed. this economy is affecting are owners so badly that they are tryin to create action to improve tv rating and ticket sales. and all the sports going into lockouts and being selfish on who gets the money, just like are government and economy, rich ppl 1%, and the working man who wants lower taxes. i love sports more then anybody, played baseball, soccer, basketball, and dropped all them for HOCKEY. but what is going on is sad.

      • sportsfreak13 - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:43 PM

        Looks like we have a conspiracy to make the flyers 0-2 folks. This just in it has nothing to do with their terrible special teams or defensive breakdowns but all about the refs favoring the team that plays against the flyers so that the game remains tight. By the way the reason icing was waved off is because the sabre player touched it first. Giroux 0-2 as a captain is right up there with Area 51 and watergate too huh?

      • thetruth234567 - Jan 20, 2013 at 4:12 PM

        sportsfan its called BUSINESS. and if u havent noticed, every major sport is struggling to stay afloat and having lockouts. about money, and esp with pitt pens, cause a few years ago, they almost lost there team! and all the history, with ny teams its about how much revenue the make for the league cause they have the biggest markets, which makes ALL the owners more money! saw this with the super bowl a few yrs back, pitt steelers and the sea hawks, when john madden called the refs out for flags on key plays of the game, didnt understand why till i read about the sea hawks having the lowest fan base, lowest merchandise sold etc…… and how pitt had the highest fan base in the country!!! soon after madden was pushed out of comitating, and how much money the league made by pitt winning or would have lost by sea hawks winning, why MULTIPLE NBA REFS wrote a book on how the comm… was telling them how to ref games, cause know body wants to see a blow out, esp in the super bowl!!! where it was blow out after blow out every year!!! i dont want to keep explaining the obvisious by read the

      • sportsfreak13 - Jan 20, 2013 at 4:20 PM

        Your a special breed of crazy/stupid man. If your team can’t compete cry conspiracy. Learn how to lose and not be a crybaby about it.

      • matthewmacisaac - Jan 20, 2013 at 7:26 PM

        I agree that the Flyers need work- Special teams 0ppg, 50% pk doesn’t cut it, but this game showed the refs are really crappy. Waived off the first period goal for phantom interference without noticing Fedetenko was getting hooked (the same hooking call was made against the Flyers later. When they sent Hartnell & Myers off with neither one committing a penalty-piss poor. Waived off the third period goal because he lost sight of it and blew the whistle. the reason he lost sight of it was because he was out of position. He stood over in the corner instead of getting behind the net (I’ve seen some refs climb on the net to be in position, not this fat bastard). I don’t think there is any conspiracy against the Flyers but officiating had better improve before they make a great game unwatchable. I almost hated these officials as much as I hate Bettman (who is even more clueless). After sitting through the lockout, I expected better hockey from the Flyers (they haven’t come through) but I didn’t think that the refs would look this poor. There were many more objectionable calls, but it would take too long to list them, and I’m sure that the Buffalo fans have many to be pissed about too, but they’ll let it go because they won. It is hard to overcome your own mistakes plus have two goals disallowed because the refs suck and win. The Flyers can screw the game away on their own (see Saturday) they don’t need help.

    • zetaone - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:21 PM

      1st one was a weak call, I’ll give you that. Other than that.. there’s no room to complain.

      • thtguy90 - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:38 PM

        Did you NOT see the third period when the puck was clearly not covered and went over the goal line? Yeah, I would say there were two bad calls.

        Luke Schenn needs to get some discipline soon or he’ll find himself scratched.

    • thetruth234567 - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:43 PM

      u sd right! i didnt watch the whole game honestly but what i did see was hartnell get thrown in the box when a stupid buff player pushed him into his own goalie. and instead of the refs calling either no call at all, or interference on buff, they throw them both in the box. rid…..!!!! and with the goals they took away. these refs deserve a FFFFFFFFFFFF FAILED! and like someone sd last night, every game counts, and the flyers have been screwed out of atleast one point last night, and this game too…. and we havent even playered the rangers yet, and we always get hosed against them. cause of their huge tv market, that the league knows brings in the most money, like last playoffs when the caps got hosed with call after call. the league is gona loose there real fans and pick up the nobodys, but they know that there will be knew, younger fans that arent smart or old enough to know how business works, and how it is what keeps the sport going. business first, honesty of the game 2nd. sadddddd

      • phillyphanatic77 - Jan 20, 2013 at 4:01 PM

        I’m a Flyers fan and I don’t agree that there’s a conspiracy favoring every team we play. Have the refs been inconsistent to start the season? absolutely. But so have the Flyers players. Our penalty kill has been abysmal and our vaunted PP hasn’t capitalized. Now do I disagree with the phantom trip on Giroux to end the Pitt game? Yes, but we also had plenty of chances that we didn’t take advantage of. I will say that we did have two good goals disallowed in what was basically a two-goal game. First one was way worse. They need to make that a reviewable play.

    • broadstreetbeatdown - Jan 20, 2013 at 5:15 PM

      Disgusting officiating. That whole team of officials should be suspended. besides that both teams played an excellent game but Philly needs to tighten up the PK ans PP units.

    • hockeywithdrawal - Jan 20, 2013 at 7:19 PM

      Holy crap will you guys QUIT CRYING…you lost, period. Time to trade the Captain and fire the coach. Wah.

      • broadstreetbeatdown - Jan 20, 2013 at 8:41 PM

        Were channeling our inner Cindy Crysby, although our complaints are legit. Back in the corner sonny. You’re on timeout.

      • hockeywithdrawal - Jan 21, 2013 at 12:34 PM

        Honestly, for all the bragging we’ve heard all summer…now how quickly it turns into a bunch of spoiled brats throwing senseless temper tantrums over NATIONALLY TELEVISED games that we ALL saw….why even bother with the crying?

        The refs were fine, the Cryers played like sh*t. They are not tough…they are dirty. They are not “gritty”…they are dirty. They pride themselves on it, the fans love to see the dirty stuff, the late hits, the cheap shots, the slew foots, because the damn team hasn’t one a cup since ’75. The city of Philadelphi has lost respect for the game of hockey – kind of like how a 60 year old pervert loses respect for women and starts treating them badly when he can’t get any. And trust me little man – if that cup is a woman YOU WON’T GET ANY.

        But what do you care, really? All any of you really want is for Crosby to be injured, and for several other top-notch players to get hurt by your dirty cross-checks and slewfoots, after the play hits, etc….it shows you that those morons are “tough”…grow up, Philadelphia.

  2. nicholasfrederickjohnson - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:20 PM

    So, a phantom goalie interference call negates a Flyers Goal. But apparently, for Cody Hodgson, skating into the goalie’s glove which is freezing the puck is not goalie interference, so good goal Sabres. Then, just for good measure, blow the whistle when the puck is clearly free and gliding into the net, so no flyers goal. That makes sense. Should have been 4-3 flyers, by my math. But the refs saw it as 5-2. I guess that makes.

    • tarotsujimoto74 - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:26 PM

      Not sure how you can argue about Cody’s goal, but the flyers did have 2 legit ones waved off.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Jan 20, 2013 at 4:05 PM

        I’d agree that Hodgsons goal wasn’t any type of interference. It was probably a good goal, but the refs explanation that he hit it with his stick before it crossed the line was wrong. I don’t think it was a kicking motion, but the war room must have thought so to come out with that bogus explanation. He hit it with his stick THEN with his skates. And of course the two disallowed Flyers goals hurt.

  3. jeremyroenickdanceparty - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:21 PM

    Refs could have used some preseason games…

    • zetaone - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:22 PM

      Yeah.. they called Ott for diving when he was tripped? What was that all about?!

      • phillyphanatic77 - Jan 20, 2013 at 4:08 PM

        That was a bad call. Clearly a trip, probably has to do with Ott’s rep as an agitator/instigator.

  4. rabidbillsfan - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    Philly has issues. Maybe if they can get Briere back, that will help them out race opponents because their D is struggling. I still think the Sabres win if this is on opening night. Still dunoo about grigs, but man, Cody Hodgson makes me not even want to care. This seems to be the most balanced team the Sabres have had in years, and who saw Stafford throwing down with Hartnell? It’s only one game, but this team has a look of one that can make a run. Best 30-shot game I have seen Miller play in a while, but those shorthanded rushes they allow still annoy the hell out of me.

    • zetaone - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:28 PM

      Yeah Grigs didn’t get much playing time. I’d like to see him play with Leino and/or Gerbe when they return from injury.

  5. Philip - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    On Grigorenko: Tons of special teams play limited his ice time, but I would have liked to have seen him on the PP at least a couple of times. With more balanced play and more interaction from his linemates, who seemed content to ignore him for each other, he’ll have a shot to make his mark.

  6. Stiller43 - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    “The general consensus is that Ilya Bryzgalov hasn’t been to blame for this weekend’s two losses. Still, do you worry that the tiger-fearing netminder’s confidence might wane?”

    He might also be afraid of tigers, but if youre referring to the interview where he said he wasnt afraid of [the] penguins, he said he was afraid of BEARS.

  7. herc883 - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:25 PM

    The refs played far too big of a role in the outcome of this one. Flyers special teams need a lot of work. I’m not saying the Flyers would’ve won had a couple calls gone differently but they were battling too many obstacles in this one – officials, fatigue, and sabres.

  8. Stiller43 - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:28 PM

    Boy, it sounds like every time the flyers lose, its the striped shirts that are conspiring against them.

    Calls in every game, every season are going to go for AND against your team.

    Youre not going to complain that it wasnt fair when your team benefits from the calls, so dont complain when youre NOT the benefit of the calls.

    • andyb02 - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:35 PM

      Calling off two goals is not just another call though. Horrible call to call goalie interference and another horrible call to blow the whistle as the puck is sliding past the goal line.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:55 PM

      The benefit of calls?? Look I’m okay with not getting the benefits of calls all the time, but when there are two blatant goals scored that are waved off in what was essentially a two goal game, that’s what I have a problem with. The Flyers penalty kill has been terrible, their Powerplay hasn’t been much better, but the refs absolutely played a huge role in the outcome of this game. I can deal with the ticky-tac call on Giroux to end the game against Pittsburgh, but I’m not okay with refs disallowing two clear goals. If it was goalie interference on the first goal why was there no penalty called? I mean Hartnell got a goalie interference after getting pushed into Miller later. Even Milbury said the Flyers got robbed. The second disallowed goal I can understand more bc the refs blow the whistle when they lose sight of the puck, but he blew the whistle right as the puck was crossing the line. It’s not like he blew the whistle then the Flyers pushed it out from under Miller, it was literally crossing the line and bam the plays dead. Flyers could have played better but 5-2 is totally misleading.

    • biasedhomer - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:58 PM

      The Flyers did have 2 goals waived off. And Cody’s goal probably should have been called off since it was the same situation as the goalie interference on Ryan Miller.
      Refs need to at least be consistent.

  9. buff80 - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:30 PM

    I am interested in he fatigue factor. Buff now goes to Toronto who had the day off. Grigs should get more playing time tomorrow night and he should be well rested. Happy to see he Sabres take this one.

  10. cbghockeyvideos87 - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:33 PM


    • melonheadsdaddy - Jan 20, 2013 at 5:36 PM

      Great insight. Compelling and rich.

  11. broadstbully33 - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:34 PM

    The ref was their first star hands down.

  12. wisdomnfl - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:36 PM

    Every time the Flyers lose their fans blame the refs. They blamed the refs for the loss at home yesterday too.

    • nicholasfrederickjohnson - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:46 PM

      Right. Because when a devils fan and national yahoo blog writes this, its the flyers fans.–nhl.html

    • thetruth234567 - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:57 PM

      we are not getting a fair game! know the rule book and apply it to every team evenly, and last nights game against the pens was bs! we owned them for the last 2 periods, but it was are bad luck for not taking the game over but when crosby skates up behind claude, kicks his legs out,!!! then they give the pens a pp!! we know bs when we see it. others players in local media have sd how much of a cry baby he is, and how the league gives him calls. other PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE!!!!! NOT FANS!!! and like i sd, somebody will get him by the end of the year!!! mark my words!! why he hasnt made it threw a season in a couple, came into the league with respect and lost it!!!!! good luck to him!! cause he has shown me in the first game of the year that he is a sore looser and a baby with big lips!! not a star.

      • sportsfreak13 - Jan 20, 2013 at 4:16 PM

        2 mark messier awards. Yep the players don’t respect him at all.If you rewarch that play and still think Crosby kicked out giroux legs then idk what to tell you. You can’t fix stupid I guess. The best part of all your post is when you call him a sore loser. You have been preaching ref favoritism and conspiracy in all your posts but he’s the sore loser. That’s rich man.

    • broadstreetbeatdown - Jan 20, 2013 at 5:23 PM

      Dude, all kidding aside. Did you even watch the game?

  13. mafmvp - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    Filthy is 0-2, and all their fans can do is cry about the refs. I love that neither loss can be blamed on their poor scapegoat goalie. Hartnell is playing dirtier each Shift. Must be a reflection of leadership

    • broadstreetbeatdown - Jan 20, 2013 at 5:26 PM

      and…cue the Hens ball washers.

    • melonheadsdaddy - Jan 20, 2013 at 5:39 PM

      You said it! 0-2! Still plenty O hockey to be played…

  14. mungman69 - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:48 PM

    The Flyers fans and their local announcers have been crying about the refs for 45 years. It does get a little tiring listening to this BS. Hell, only 2 games in and the Flyer fans have done a season’s worth of crying already. SHUT UP. Geez.

    • nicholasfrederickjohnson - Jan 20, 2013 at 4:18 PM–nhl.html

      Apparently Flyer fans and local announcers include the NBC broadcast crew (including Piere, who went back and criticized the call,) and Yahoo Sports.

  15. ballsohardu - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:56 PM

    Crosby is such a crybaby!!

  16. trigzter - Jan 20, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    The real shame is that the no-goals weren’t reviewed/aren’t reviewable. Doesn’t make much sense

  17. bobhpine - Jan 20, 2013 at 4:01 PM

    I wonder if this thetruth234567 guy will make a sabers fan profile to agree with him today…seemed to have enough time to do that yesterday…loser

    • thetruth234567 - Jan 20, 2013 at 4:31 PM

      i have nerve damage from falling into the bords frome ice hockey, and since i have been watching sports my whole life, and my dad had a masters in business. why i have the knowledge of what is going on with the league and the revenue. and how the leagues make there money and loose it. what i have realized is that most people dont have experience in business and sports like i do. cause either they are to young, drunk (stupid, cause alcohol kills creative thinking, why the nfl runs alcohol sales religiously) or just close minded to not see that the flex in the rule books of each sport is them creating action and sales. which is so desperately needed to keep there sport in the forfront of the good old usa. and why i just got a screen blocker on my computer for saying this cause they are trying to shut me up right now, cause i have learned, ppl dont want to hear the truth, they would rather hear/watch a exciting lie

      • kitshky - Jan 20, 2013 at 7:22 PM

        I’m gonna assume you don’t have a Masters in grammar and spelling…

  18. sportsfreak13 - Jan 20, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    Judging by all the flyer fans comments I’m thinking Ed snider might want to give pacifiers out as their next promotion. At least it would something they could use.

    • phillyphanatic77 - Jan 20, 2013 at 4:41 PM

      Yes because the Pens organization is the model for rational thought and impartial humility. You would never ever make a peep about any missed calls, it’s below you. The fans, players, and front office of the Pittsburgh Penguins are the most aloof, cocky front-runners in hockey. It’s not the Flyers that have been called the biggest whiners in league by national pundits, coaches, and players alike. You can call us “Cryers” all you want but that doesn’t change the FACT that there were two disallowed goals in what was a close game.

      • sportsfreak13 - Jan 20, 2013 at 4:52 PM

        Translation for all you people who don’t want to read all that is “waaaaaaaaa”

      • phillyphanatic77 - Jan 20, 2013 at 5:17 PM

        More humility and class from a Pens fan. You’re on a Flyers thread doing nothing more than instigating arguments with Flyers fans. Bottom line is there isn’t a fanbase in hockey that doesn’t complain after a loss, especially when it’s warranted. If you think I’m being a homer when I say the Flyers had two disallowed goals:

        John Wawrow of the AP:
        “The Flyers had two goals disallowed. The first one, scored by Ruslan Fedotenko in the first period, was waved off after referee Steve Kozari ruled Fedotenko had bumped Miller before the puck went in. The second came in the final minutes, when officials ruled the whistle had blown before the puck dribbled over the goal line.” It’s reality, not whining.

      • melonheadsdaddy - Jan 20, 2013 at 5:44 PM

        Sports freak I’m a flyers fan and all I have to say to your retort is…hilarious. I’m not gonna make excuses for my team… Certainly not happy with the outcomes but when your pp goes 0-5 the day before snd your pk is garbage at some point you have to look at your roster and blame the players…how many pipes did they hit in the last 20 mins yesterday? How many stupid penalties did they take today? The refs blew both calls but our team didn’t step up when it was needed. That’s the reason the flyers are 0-2.

      • sportsfreak13 - Jan 20, 2013 at 6:12 PM

        Thanks man. It’s all in good fun. There will be a time when the pens are going through the same stuff and ill be on the receiving end haha. It’s what makes are rivalry great.

  19. beerjunkie69 - Jan 20, 2013 at 4:11 PM

    As a non-Sabre and non-Flyers fan, this was a great game to watch TV. Excellent. Better than watching the NFL, for sure. Good to see exciting hockey again.

  20. bobhpine - Jan 20, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    If Flyer fans say Crosby cries, and all Flyer fans do is cry, then why don’t Flyer fans like Crosby??

    • broadstreetbeatdown - Jan 20, 2013 at 5:30 PM

      Crosby is a big va -jay jay thats why we don’t like him.

  21. wisdomnfl - Jan 20, 2013 at 4:22 PM

    Captain Claudia 0-2

    • melonheadsdaddy - Jan 20, 2013 at 5:48 PM

      Oh I get it. Because his name is Claude. Nice!

  22. beerjunkie69 - Jan 20, 2013 at 4:23 PM

    Quit complaining and just enjoy the dang game folks! Hockey rules.

  23. wisdomnfl - Jan 20, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    Why are you guys so worried about the Pena? It really is a obsession for Flyer fans. Almost dysfunctional.

  24. biffnasty - Jan 20, 2013 at 5:30 PM

    gonna be a long year for filthy..haha. the islanders look better than your train wreck of a team

  25. aaronrexroot - Jan 20, 2013 at 5:33 PM

    thetruth is a special kind of crazy for sure. I can’t take people seriously when they capitalize RANDOMLY to make a point, or don’t fully spell out said.

    I do think the first goal waved off for interference was questionable, Miller probably embellished the contact. I fully agree with the second call. Refs are supposed to blow the whistle when they lose sight of the puck. End of play, that’s it. It’s bitten every team. I don’t think the puck ever fully crossed the line anyways, still seemed to be right on it, but that doesn’t matter.

  26. crosbynation87 - Jan 20, 2013 at 7:58 PM

    instead of complaining about the refs cant we just agree even if those two goals were allowed you still would have lost to buffalo. Your pp and pk were garbage today you got beat to every puck and ott and myers took this game over. Buffalo will be a thorn in a lot of teams sides this year. And vanek beat your team by himself

    • broadstreetbeatdown - Jan 20, 2013 at 8:47 PM

      Another “analyst” who watched a couple of highlights and not the actual game. Crysby is waiting for you to give him his sponge bath pal.

  27. buffalomafia - Jan 21, 2013 at 6:55 AM

    I agree with dcent85 Miller was brushed slightly & the refs called off a goal.

  28. billsboy88 - Jan 21, 2013 at 11:05 AM

    I thought bryz said he was afraid of bears, not tigers

  29. mc321984 - Jan 22, 2013 at 9:37 PM

    getting crushed by NJ, what excuse will Philly fans have now?

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