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Players to re-vote on disclaimer of interest

Jan 3, 2013, 1:24 PM EDT

Donald Fehr: Sidney Crosby AP

The NHLPA’s executive board may soon regain its authority to file a disclaimer of interest that would dissolve the union and push CBA negotiations with the NHL into uncharted waters.

According to Sportsnet’s Nick Kypreos, players are being told to re-vote on the issue “as early as today.” The board’s authority expired yesterday at midnight.

With limited information emerging from this week’s negotiations, it’s hard to say what this news means. It could be the union fully intends to dissolve. Or, it could be the players simply want to ramp up pressure on the owners in order to get a deal done before uncharted waters are entered.

Today’s talks were met largely with optimism that an end to the lockout was approaching. Though hope has quickly turned to despair before during the work stoppage, one league source told CSNPhilly.com that “a couple owners are cautiously optimistic.”

That hope was shared by Ducks forward Teemu Selanne, who told Finnish website MTV3.fi that he thinks the lockout will be over by Monday and that the season will start by Jan. 18 or 19.

Remaining issues include next year’s salary cap, maximum contract lengths, and matters relating to player pensions.

Update (4:24 p.m. ET):

So at the very least, it sounds like the NHLPA won’t be able to file a disclaimer of interest for a couple of days.

Of course, even if the NHLPA does end up dissolving the union, it doesn’t mean all hope is lost, as the two sides could continue to negotiate (albeit without Donald Fehr representing the players).

  1. antkowiak666 - Jan 3, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    get back to work,ya bunch of f@#$ing bums!!

    • misterchainbluelightning - Jan 3, 2013 at 1:40 PM

      Lockout vs Strike

  2. stakex - Jan 3, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    No big suprise here since the DoI is really the only leverage the players have.

    • millertime30 - Jan 3, 2013 at 2:05 PM

      yes. gotta keep the league honest.

  3. zuke13 - Jan 3, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    Just a continuation of crap that’s been going on since sept 15.

  4. merchaholic - Jan 3, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    Players are worried about pension plans? Give me a break… if you can’t set yourself up for life making millions of dollars a year… gtfo.

    • purp1234 - Jan 3, 2013 at 4:36 PM

      Patrick Ewing as President of the Player’s Association during contract negotiations once said, “Sure NBA players make a lot of money, but we spend a lot too.”

      • badintent - Jan 5, 2013 at 2:00 AM

        He also made the players vote out. in the open , in an attempt to intimidate them to his line of thinking. all it did was piss off some players that opposed him.

  5. jakreidler - Jan 3, 2013 at 3:05 PM

    I’m no businessman, but you’ve got to think the disclaimer option lost a lot of leverage when Fehr didn’t exercise it the first time.

  6. bufffalojoe - Jan 3, 2013 at 3:16 PM

    that’s right the players are worried about pensions…they put over 40k a year in pensions. this whole thing is a fn joke, go dissolve ya should of at 1159 last night.

  7. whatthepuck2012 - Jan 3, 2013 at 3:44 PM

    They packed a lot of mixed signals in that brief story. Thanks, PHT. o.O

  8. klownboy - Jan 3, 2013 at 4:06 PM

    The more I read stories like this, the more I think there will be no 2012-2013 hockey season. Gary Bettman created this mess by opting out of a deal that made the NHL billions of dollars!

    Let’s hope the NHL commish Bettman and Donald Fehr come to their senses and end this lockout…

    http://theklowntimes.net/2012/09/16/owners-and-bettman-to-blame-for-nhl-lockout/

  9. whatthepuck2012 - Jan 3, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    I must’ve missed a story…this morning they said that the meeting was pushed back from it’s 10:00 a.m. start. This story refers to today’s meetings. When did they meet? Are they currently meeting?

    • thailer35 - Jan 3, 2013 at 5:36 PM

      This article says they met earlier today and Don wasn’t with the players when the meeting happened.

      http://cumberlink.com/sports/national/hockey/nhl-union-briefly-resume-labor-talks/article_54203f95-5bad-50c4-8ff5-a5099b6bfd0a.html

      I don’t claim to have any knowledge of the situation, but I am afraid they are going to file the DoI. I hope instead though that they’ll focus on getting a deal done.

  10. Buford T Justice - Jan 3, 2013 at 4:55 PM

    I read this as not good news for hockey this year

  11. fortwaynekomets - Jan 3, 2013 at 5:27 PM

    tick tock tick tock

    hear that?

    the clock is ticking….

    times about to run out….

    NHL has NO SHAME in slamming its doors on you players… don’t remember?

    let me remind you the 2004-2005 season wasn’t officially cancelled until the MIDDLE OF FEBRUARY!

    NHLPA, time to take what’s ON the table and do what’s right for the sport! if you don’t… next fall will have the same deal you were offered LAST Fall!

    do the right thing. drop the puck.

    • gugurich - Jan 4, 2013 at 4:56 AM

      I’ve read this sentiment a lot, that if the players don’t take whatever the owners are offering them right now, they’re going to look foolish when they accept a worse deal a year later. Of course that’s how it worked out during the last lockout but back then, the players were especially foolish because they did nothing through the legal system. They just decided to wait things out and when you wait things out with billionaires, of course you’re going to end up losing.

      If the owners cancel the season, they’re going to invite the players, not to disclaim interest in an union, but to go through the full decertification process with plenty of time in front of them and no season to save. The legitimacy of a disclaimer of interest had yet to be decided in the NFL lockout but how does the NHL contest the legitimacy of a full decertification? Now that there’s no reserve clause to contest and the money is very large, the players really don’t need an union. It’s something the owners can’t live without more because they get the draft, salary cap and etc through it. If the players fully decertify, file anti-trust lawsuits against the NHL and the NHL doesn’t lift the lockout and play without a salary cap and draft, they could be at risk of severe financial penalties. The worse thing the NHL could do is cancel the season and put their collective bargaining victories in the cross hairs of full decertification.

  12. sadhockeyfan - Jan 3, 2013 at 5:45 PM

    Sooooooo, no progress? Thanks a$$holes.

  13. countduku - Jan 3, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    The owners already called the NHLPA’s bluff once, and are laughing that you did nothing about it. Why are they trying this again? It seems like the PA is negotiating now with themselves. When you make threats, and don’t follow through on it, you lose respect. Just ask any parent who has a child behavior issue. Who’s laughing now, Bettman or Chimera?

  14. sportsfan69 - Jan 3, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    Today’s delay was a result of the NHL removing legal language in regards to HRR reporting penalties by the clubs. It was reporting on Hockey Night in Canada. So we have a new level of distrust once again by the players against the league. Gentlemen (NHLPA), take the high road don’t start pointing the fingers at Mr. Bettman. Remember there is multiple lawyers working on these agreements. That’s why you review each new proposal with your legal team.

    I can’t stress enough how unproductive it is for both sides to start playing a game of charades in regards to these negotiations. Mr. Bettman complete a press release to the media, that the league made a mistake today in the bargaining session. Further elaborate that the NHL would continue to meet tonight in order to show the league is bargaining in good faith.

    This completes two things, it challenges the NHLPA to restart the bargaining session once again and provides reinsurances to the public (fans and advertisers) once again that the NHL is committed completed a new CBA with the NHLPA.

    Pension study. What is the actuary assumption? 7%, 8% (most pension assumptions national wide), or 9%. If the assumption is at 8% or less with share the liability. The projected pension investment growth is around 9%-10% for ‘2013’. If projections exceeds over 8% growth, the player’s contribution share is then lowered to off set the positive investment growth.

    So, may I suggest that NHLPA split the pension contribution at 50/50 with the assumption at 8%.

    Then, bargain with the NHL owners with 64 million salary cap for 2013-1014 season with a salary basement of 44 million dollars. All teams would benefit from it. Especially the smaller market teams. Then, split the buyout contracts 50/50.

    These ideas are just suggestions. “It’s easy to point out mistakes, but it’s harder to find solutions.”

  15. sportsfan69 - Jan 3, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    Please excuse me for a couple of errors. It’s been a long today.

  16. sportsfan69 - Jan 3, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    LOL, long day…

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