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CBA talks pushed back from 10 a.m. ET start

Jan 3, 2013, 10:25 AM EDT

Donald Fehr: Sidney Crosby AP

After the latest round of CBA talks wrapped up Wednesday night, NHL commissioner Gary Bettman told told multiple reporters that the negotiations would resume at 10 a.m. ET Thursday, per mediator Scot Beckenbaugh’s request.

As it turns out, the NHLPA never agreed to that start time, according to CSN’s Tim Panaccio and CP’s Chris Johnston. Consequently, the NHL and mediators will need to wait while the union updates the players on the status of the ongoing discussions.

The two sides have made significant progress over the past several days, but they are still apart on several key issues. Not the least of which is the potential salary cap for the 2013-14 campaign. The union wants the cap to be at $65 million, while the NHL has taken a firm stance at $60 million, based on TSN’s Darren Dreger’s report.

The belief is that the NHLPA and NHL have about a week or so to come to an agreement before the season is lost entirely.

  1. dumbasdirt - Jan 3, 2013 at 10:39 AM

    The lockout is now more than 100 days old. Take your time everyone. Keep delaying meetings. No hurry. A 48 game season will be a joke of a season just like this whole situation has been anyway.

    I used to be apathetic but now I just don’t care

    • islesjb - Jan 3, 2013 at 11:04 AM

      I really don’t think that a 48 game season would be a “joke.” I’ve made this point a couple times over the lockout so I’ll make it again:

      No one thinks of the Heat’s championship last year after a shortened season was a joke and no one regards the Devils 95′ cup win after a 48 game season as tainted.

      The playoffs are still the playoffs and will still be arguably the most grueling among all major sports. If anything, with less games, each individual game will be more significant and thus, more intense.

      I agree that the entire lockout has been a joke and a complete abuse of the fans, but still don’t want to wait a year to watch hockey and will be happy with a 48 game season.

      • Buford T Justice - Jan 3, 2013 at 11:50 AM

        actually lots of people still remember and place an asterisk ** on that Devil team for winning the Cup in 95, referring to their “accomplishment” as “half a cup”

        48 games is a joke …..

      • islesjb - Jan 3, 2013 at 11:59 AM

        And who are these people? Devils haters and detractors? Everyone is playing 48 games and you still need to go through 4 rounds and win 16 games to hoist the cup.

      • islesjb - Jan 3, 2013 at 2:00 PM

        Further evidence that a 48 game season is more than legitimate- The below article shows that 6 of the 8 teams that made the playoffs in the Eastern Conference in the 94-95 season (48 games) had also made the playoffs in the 93-94 season (82 games).

        It also looks at last season and shows that the top 8 ranked teams in the Eastern Conference last season after 48 games are the EXACT same 8 teams that ended up making the playoffs after 82 games.

        http://www.lighthousehockey.com/2013/1/3/3827770/nhl-lockout-shortened-season-chances-playoffs

        So Buford, and all of the people who say that a 48 game season is a joke….. put that into your pipe and smoke it

  2. derwoodff64 - Jan 3, 2013 at 10:41 AM

    Salary cap? And your within 5 mil.? Split the difference and move on!!!!

  3. doubles22 - Jan 3, 2013 at 10:41 AM

    Which is it? Ignorance, or apathy?

    “I don’t know, and I don’t care…”

  4. xthexundyingx - Jan 3, 2013 at 10:46 AM

    hmm do I want a season this year or bettman to be fired due to failing again at saving the season….this is a tou- cancel it NOW! KILL IT WITH FIRE!

  5. spongebobsportspants - Jan 3, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    I’m beginning to think no season.

  6. jaredo10 - Jan 3, 2013 at 11:00 AM

    This is the worst/ longest roller coaster ride I ever been on. What a mess

  7. bricktop02 - Jan 3, 2013 at 11:02 AM

    These negotiations are like watching paint dry. $hit or get off the pot already.

    • whatthepuck2012 - Jan 3, 2013 at 12:29 PM

      With paint drying, at least we know its eventually gonna dry.

  8. sportsfan69 - Jan 3, 2013 at 11:09 AM

    I concur with Dumbasdirt. 63 million cap, go 50/50 on pension funding. As a player, you want to split the pension funding. Provides additional actuary safe guards. You’re part owner of the plan. It’s a good thing. It protects the players from any future (negative) pension changes. If not established, provide a trust with the 401K plan. It provides protection to the players with any possible future litigations against the player’s retirement. It can’t be touched by outsiders. Just a suggestion.

  9. whatthepuck2012 - Jan 3, 2013 at 11:12 AM

    Islesjb I totally agree. How can anyone say a 48 game season would be a joke, when every game would have playoff implications? And I don’t want to wait 10 months to watch my Pens. So DO THIS ALREADY.

    • islesjb - Jan 3, 2013 at 12:29 PM

      Exactly, I’m jonesing for some hockey

  10. sportsfan69 - Jan 3, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    The 401K plan is in addition to the Defined Benefit plan. Which would allow for the players to put away (save) up to $17,000 per year tax free.

  11. gallyhatch - Jan 3, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    As a Season Ticket Holder, I have no problem with a 48 game schedule.

    I understand this is probably an unpopular opinion, but 24 home games is a lot easier to manage than 41, and we will get to the playoffs that much quicker.

    Hey, the NHL & NHLPA have been selfish this whole time, now it’s my turn.

  12. ironmike778 - Jan 3, 2013 at 1:25 PM

    I’ve grown to hate that picture of Fehr more than you know.

    • jeldred04 - Jan 3, 2013 at 2:00 PM

      Fehr is a sleez ball. He is only worried about his pay check. The longer this goes on, he feels like he is needed more and more. The dude led the MLBPA to strike in 1994. He negotiated for all the things that are ruining baseball. He doesn’t care about the league his players play in. As long as he is getting paid; he feels like he is getting things accomplished. I knew this would happen as soon as the NHLPA hired him. I have prepared for a lost season. I cancelled my center ice subscription even lowered my cable bill by cancelling the service that gave me nbcsports. This is embarrassing to the NHL, players, and the fans. It makes me think about how stupid the upper echelon of the NHL are. They had increasing revenue, increasing attendance, increasing fan bases all over the United States and the one that flys way under the radar is that the game was growing in the U.S. It is being incorporated into high schools in southern states and average fan states. Hockey was the biggest growing sport money wise in the United States over the last three years. Now it is back to the drawing board in the U.S. Everything they worked for over the past 8 years just went down the drain as soon as the lockout missed game 1. Cancelling of the Winter Classic crushed any hope of average fans coming back this year. Looks like it’s going to be a long 5 years for Hockey to get back onto the mainstream TV channels. I’m done with my rant since I know have to get ready for work. By the way Go PENS!

  13. bricktop02 - Jan 3, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    Good point puck.

  14. nderdog - Jan 3, 2013 at 4:34 PM

    If they don’t reach an agreement today, here’s what they should do. Find a trusted party that they both agree to who they are comfortable trusting with their biggest secrets. Have each party submit the absolute least-favorable contract that they would be willing to agree to. The arbitrator can then review both sides’ worst-case-scenarios. If the numbers line up, they can return to the bargaining table knowing that there is a reachable agreement. If there isn’t enough common ground to continue, cancel the season and let them all think a bit harder about what they really do want and try again in 3 months and repeat the process until they either reach acceptable terms or determine that they will never find common ground and everyone can move on. It’s a bit drastic, but think of the millions in lawyer fees that would be saved and all of the false hope that would be avoided if they just ended up the charade right now and know that either they’re close enough to nail down something solid or they’re far enough apart that wasting everyone’s time and energy is just pointless.

  15. skarfacci - Jan 3, 2013 at 6:09 PM

    The players and Fehr are scum. The owners should freeze them out permanently and move on. Donald Fehr is the biggest scum in the history of pro sports. He was the protege of Marvin Miller who ruined pro sports. When you make more money then 95% of the public, doesn’t it look a little ridiculous that you are willingly battling with your bosses. Shouldn’t you be a little more cooperative. How about abolishing the union and each player representing himself. How does that sound? Reasonable to me.

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