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Daly says Blue Jackets-Jets switch is “not being considered”

Dec 30, 2012, 9:28 PM EST

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The NHL is denying the rumor that the Columbus Blue Jackets and Winnipeg Jets would trade divisions and conferences in an abbreviated season.

Bill Daly dispelled that notion when he was asked by Aaron Portzline of the Columbus Dispatch.

“Not being considered. Has never been considered,” Daly said.

PHT’s Joe Yerdon broke down some of the benefits and scenarios that might have cropped up:

If the Jets start a shortened season in the Southeast Division once again, travel for them would be murderous over the course of the four or five month season. Columbus staying in the Central Division wouldn’t be much better for them travel-wise and certainly wouldn’t be helpful competitively.

On the upside, we’d get to have that awkward “Rick Nash returns to Columbus as a New York Ranger” game right away this season. There’d also be Sergei Bobrovsky‘s revenge match with Philadelphia to look forward to as well.

Oh well.

Of course, the travel difficulties could eventually be alleviated if an alignment eventually does pass, but it sounds like that won’t happen for some time.

  1. Matt - Dec 30, 2012 at 9:32 PM

    Is Bill “Hill We Die On” Daly saying this from the place he occupied a few weeks ago, or the spot he’s in today?

  2. leeeroooyjeeenkiiins - Dec 30, 2012 at 9:49 PM

    The Lightning have had both Lindback and Brown injured due to this stupid lockout. The least the league can do to repay us is to give us more games against Columbus

  3. bolts1 - Dec 30, 2012 at 10:09 PM

    I’ll take games against anybody at this point but I would gladly swap the Jets for the Jackets. Especially if the league still plans on going forward with that moronic realignment plan they floated last season.

  4. bills4 - Dec 30, 2012 at 10:21 PM

    2 groups of greedy losers. To all the idiots wetting their lips to pay raised ticket prices…… You are even bigger fools then the ones fighting!!

  5. id4joey - Dec 30, 2012 at 10:33 PM

    So, let me see if I get this right. blomfeld has been saying this is a charade and attempted to predict the start of the season, and you all piss on him because he’s off by a month or 2. PHT reports Columbus and Winnipeg trade conferences, and then this is denied by Daly, but no one is pissing on PHT for the erroneous information. http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/28/report-columbus-and-winnipeg-trade-conferences-in-a-shortened-season/

    Wow! And you’re also pissing on Bergeron who has known since Dec 18 that the deal which would resolve the conflict was already on paper. Can you say sheep?

    • atwatercrushesokoye - Dec 30, 2012 at 11:24 PM

      What benefit do the players or owners get by secretly agreeing to a deal and then delaying the announcement 2-3 weeks? And how many people have to keep their mouths shut to not allow it to be leaked…except by your best friend of all time Bergeron? We’re talking OJ conspiracy number of people here.

      Is it possible that the three of you could be wrong? Just speculating here, but maybe, just maybe, you three are wrong and everyone else is correct?

      All your other boy bloated has been saying is that it would be settled and then throwing out random dates on when he thought it would be done. That’s like me saying the sun will come up in 30 minutes, and continuing to say it with new prediction times, eventually I’ll be right, but I never really predicted anything miraculous.

      • id4joey - Dec 30, 2012 at 11:53 PM

        No, No. No. You have it all wrong. The owners had the end date and end game scripted from the get go. No one ever said the players and owners had a secret deal. That was conjured up in your minds. The owners had a hidden agenda to not settle this thing until Jan. Hind sight is 20/20. Look at the hard ball/strong tactics they demonstrated from the start of the lockout up until last week. Have you been here for long time? If not, then you missed all the discussions we’ve had about the financial aspects of the game/team/league. Many teams are better off financially by not having a season. Sad, but true. The least profitable months are Sept, Oct, Nov and Dec. especially for US/sunbelt teams. You have MLB playoffs, then NBA and NFL play to compete against. This whole charade was about minimizing financial loses, and of course getting a new CBS to fix a few loopholes which caused the salaries to increase. So, the owners always had a deal in their back pocket which they felt would be accepted by the PA. No they are following the script, undoubtedly formulated by the leadership of Proskauer Rose.

      • blomfeld - Dec 31, 2012 at 2:36 AM

        absolutely brilliant Joey … Sherlock Holmes would be genuinely proud of you ! :)

    • atwatercrushesokoye - Dec 31, 2012 at 12:10 AM

      You do realize two things: 1. There’s no guarantee the players would ever accept the “guaranteed” deal (not what you said your boy Bergeron said…he said the deal was done) and they risked essentially billions of dollars in lost revenue if they don’t get a season in…not to mention they’re already in breach on most of their sponsorship deals and owe penalties on that plus they will owe NBC a “free” 11th year on the tv contract which will be worth way more than it is now. And 2. That if this could ever be proven (and if you and your twin Bergeron found out I’m sure actual journalists and investigators could as well) the owners would be guilty of bargaining in bad faith, would be hauled in front of the labor relations board and would owe the players huge damages which would probably end up being more than they’re fighting over now.

      But other than those massive prattfalls and the penalties they already owe your conspiracy theory is nonsensical at best.

    • atwatercrushesokoye - Dec 31, 2012 at 12:17 AM

      One more thing about my point number 2. It would like,y end up being considered a violation of anti trust laws and the owners would end up having to pay treble damages.

      Donald Fehr actually has history in that while he was head of the MLBPA they won an anti trust suit over the MLB owners for colluding over free agency, the players won a big settlement and it’s believed that this led to massive distrust between players and owners which extended for well over a decade and of course cost them the 94 World Series.

      • id4joey - Dec 31, 2012 at 12:35 AM

        1- The owners will sweeten the deal to the players liking
        2- The NHLPA would have to decertify for players to sue the owners unde the anti trusts laws.

        If everything goes according to plan, the NHL will announce they have come to terms on Jan 1st. Either way, it’s 100% guaranteed there will be a season.

    • purp1234 - Dec 31, 2012 at 12:32 AM

      “off by a month or two”….bwah-ha-ha…idjoey you are a delight.

      • id4joey - Dec 31, 2012 at 6:45 AM

        Thank you. Hockey and this site are entertaining. Glad you’re enjoying yourself.

    • blomfeld - Dec 31, 2012 at 12:36 AM

      YES WE CAN CAN !

      (courtesy of Blomfeld & WoFat Information Systems)

      • atwatercrushesokoye - Dec 31, 2012 at 12:55 AM

        So you have nothing to add and instead just call anyone who disagrees with your conspiracy theories a sheep? Well I guess it’s slightly better than the recent trend of everyone labeling anyone who disagrees with them a “hater” but not by much.

    • atwatercrushesokoye - Dec 31, 2012 at 12:51 AM

      You are actually incorrect, when the MLBPA won their anti trust suit against MLB they were still a full fledged Union. What you would have is 30 owners of franchises conspiring together to keep the work force from working. If there’s some grand scheme as you proclaim where they knew that they’d get a deal on X date by offering whatever deal but they want to keep the lockout going because they don’t want to compete with anything, well that’s bargaining in bad faith. They might not lose that case but do you really think that the owners want to risk the possibility of triple damages or at the very least monster lawyer bills while this winds it’s way through the various courts?

      So let’s look at the for and against here:
      Against there being a conspiracy:
      1. The threat of anti trust violations and triple damages
      2. Breaching sponsorship contracts (already done)
      3. Having to give NBC a free 11th year which based on inflation, growth of the game is probably worth at a minimum $500 million
      4. The threat that journalists would find out, Bettman would be fired, and number 1 comes into play
      5. Lawyers aren’t cheap, especially the ones they’re paying now
      6. Big profit teams (Toronto, Montreal, Rangers, Flyers) would never go along with it
      7. You take a $3.3 billion dollar industry and cut it to $2.5 billion over night.

      For the conspiracy:
      1. You and Blohard think it’s so
      2. You’ve somehow dragged Bergeron into believing the same thing, and if it’s true and he has inside knowledge he’d be a major witness in the upcoming trials and likely be black balled by NHL owners…oh no that’s a negative.

      Now tell me where I’m wrong.

      • blomfeld - Dec 31, 2012 at 1:29 AM

        Watergate … you’re completely wrong !

        Look, you’re probably a nice person and all, but what in the hell are you talking about? Your list of the cons “against” a charade above are like some child’s shopping list on his/her first ever trip to the store. WW2 and the death of 60 million “plus” people was the brainchild of one person, Adolf Hitler. The gulag and the death of 20 million people was the brainchild of one person, Josef Stalin. The death of 2 million people in Cambodia was the brainchild of one person, Pol Pot. All it takes for “things to happen” is one person and nothing more. Now Bettman is hardly a Stalin or a Pol Pot, as I actually applaud the man for what he’s trying to do (ie: go under the hood and fix the bloody NHL once and for all). But the point remains that for a plan to be hatched and executed, be it wherever in the field of commerce or battle, all it takes is for that “one” man to have the vision and resolve to see it through to fruition and nothing more.

      • id4joey - Dec 31, 2012 at 8:56 AM

        You are wrong in many places. The most obvious is point 1 under “For the conspiracy”. It’s blomfeld, and not blohard. And so is number 2, because of the followig, which blows away your list Against there being a conspiracy;

        What is Decertification? (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=410312)

        It’s unlawful for competitors to get together and fix the marketplace. If they do so, they open themselves up to antitrust lawsuits. This applies to the NHL, because the 30 team owners are competitors and they get together and place restrictions on the NHL marketplace. Things like a salary cap, free agency restrictions and rookie pay are all on their face antitrust violations. Another thing that is an antitrust violation: the owners (as competitors) getting together and agreeing to lockout the players.

        However, since these restrictions are inside the protective bubble that is the collective bargaining agreement (CBA), the NHL is protected and the players can’t sue for these antitrust violations. So the CBA insulates the NHL from antitrust lawsuits.

        Bettman needs only 8 votes from the ownership to lockout the players. I’m sure Proskauer Rose high priced lawyers are representing the league very well to protect them. There are at least eight teams who lose money every year so for them it’s more profitable not to have a season. Yes! The profitable teams do not wish to lose the whole season, and like I’ve been saying, that won’t happen. Better luck next time.

        Happy New Year, and let’s drop the puck.

      • blomfeld - Dec 31, 2012 at 3:35 PM

        Joey, seriously. I’ve learned more about the business side of hockey from you and your excellent contributions here at PHT, than I ever knew beforehand from books, TV, radio and newspapers combined! So as they say in the old country … “Good show, jolly good show old chap!” :)

        Friends, whether you love him or hate him, let’s all close ranks here and offer our wonderful, informative and highly entertaining friend “Id4joey” all the very best for a safe, happy and fun 2013 … have a good one friend! :)

      • id4joey - Dec 31, 2012 at 5:41 PM

        blomfeld, thank you for your kind words. To you and yours I wish you a very healthy 2013. And same to all wtiters at PHT, and the commenters. Cheers.

  6. ducksk - Dec 30, 2012 at 10:50 PM

    Garbage. All of it. He said, he said BS. Grand conspiracy theories, insiders with inside info, predictions, etc all garbage. There will be a season. Stop the name calling, name dropping, and stupid claims of who knew what when. The truth from day 1 is all involved wanted a season, and sometimes business is ugly. And it is ugly. And it is not done. But it will be. And all will not be happy. The business of business. I have been a fan for life of the NHL and always will be.

    • id4joey - Dec 31, 2012 at 12:01 AM

      Yeah! And you think everything is at it seems at the surface. Business is ugly and so are lies about WMD justifying battles for oil. Iran contra, weapons for the contras in exchange for smuggling cocaine into L.A., under the supervision of the CIA no less.

      Dark Alliance: The CIA, the Contras, and the Crack Cocaine Explosion

  7. cspsrbums - Dec 31, 2012 at 12:46 AM

    ID4 you are a Clown you say the owners will sweeting the deal to get it done but for the last few months you kept insisting the players sign because they won’t get a better deal Just sign just sign. So you just wanted them to give in to the NHL best last offer all those times Good thing no one listens to you you f** king moron go away you clown. You are talking out your A** again

    • blomfeld - Dec 31, 2012 at 1:35 AM

      and you cspsburns are nothing but “blind” sheep … sorry, but your incessant vitriol paints you so …

    • id4joey - Dec 31, 2012 at 6:25 AM

      Like I said moron. Hine sight is 20/20. I didn’t believe blomfeld when I first read about his theory that this was a charade. Looking back at how this played out, and how it’s coming to an end it has become obvious that there was a plan from the get go. It’s so obvious that it is comparable to hiding in plain sight. So, back off you ;))&!;)@ moron.

  8. blomfeld - Dec 31, 2012 at 1:04 AM

    Joey – This is weird man, because guys like you, Sportsfan and Valios think like me exactly ! :)

    Achtung Watergate ! … Listen you silly fool, this is not like the OJ situation at all. That murderer was pardoned for no other reason than the fact that nailing the bastard “then” would have resulted in countless deaths of innocents. 56 x people died only 3 years before ( some of my own personal friends in LA were affected) because of the social upset that resulted after the Rodney King verdict. They made a sound and just decision at the time, by pardoning the creep on criminal charges and then nailing him later in due course …. which has now “thankfully” been done. Look, this charade of Bettman’s (business plan) requires nothing more than a group of collective minds to agree on a plan and then “come hell or high water” see it through to completion. The players know nothing and are merely stage props or “set decoration” if you will. And Fehr is a “paid” or compromised patsy, with the rest being tinsel toes. The bottom line is that the NHL was in much need of a financial overhaul and Gary has seen to it to go “under the hood himself” and make things right. It can be a messy business, as it usually is in the world of high powered commerce. But that’s the deal and so here we are. Anyway, we’re now about to get hockey back, so try and be happy eh ?

    *** season starts on Saturday January 19th @ 1500 hours EST ***

    • atwatercrushesokoye - Dec 31, 2012 at 1:14 AM

      What are you talking about? You’re even more nonsensical than normal, which is really saying something! In order for this to play out the way you and Jody believe it is there would need to be hundreds of people involved, the same way if they had framed the Juice there would have needed to be hundreds of people involved. What does the Rodney King riots have to do with any of that? And nice job going to the “personal friends of mine” card.

      • blomfeld - Dec 31, 2012 at 1:41 AM

        are you serious? … because if you are, then here’s my retort … “………………………”

  9. shortsxit34 - Dec 31, 2012 at 9:12 AM

    Blomfeld, you really are making less sense than ever. Did WWII, the Holocaust, or any of your other examples happen in secret, much less with today’s investigative journalists, media, internet, and global economy? No? Then whatever “point” it is that you think you made is not comparable or sensical.

  10. shortsxit34 - Dec 31, 2012 at 9:32 AM

    Joey/Blomfeld,

    If you’re going to resort to name-calling since you can’t resort to facts, at least properly use the term “sheep.”

    A person isn’t a sheep just because they disagree with you. Sheep blindly follow.

    So, using the past few months, for example….
    Joey, you’ve blindly followed your “sources” for 4+ months, proven to be wrong *every* time, then a few weeks later moven on to your next claim. You’ve also boughten into Blomfeld’s conspiracy theory, despite it being illogical, unproven, oh…and proven wrong.

    Blomfeld, for two months straight, every single meeting was “the one” that would end the lockout. Everybody else was stupid for not seeing it as clearly as you did. Then when negotiations fell through, you’d start all over again. After several months of being wrong over and over, you somehow managed to turn that into you “proving you were right all along” by creating your conspiracy theory. Even when your conspiracy theory has been proven wrong, you’re as proud as ever of yourself.

    And even better is both of you resorting to “sticking up” for each other by creating fake accounts (or do all these accounts belong to one of you, not two?) Whichever, just stop. It’s gotten beyond old, especially when you resort to whining and accusing other posters here for not buying into your crap.

  11. Stiller43 - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:33 AM

    Joey and blom are 1 pers….troll, i mean.

    Treat trolls as such – ignore their useles banter and hope to the pht gods that someone finally blocks them.

    • blomfeld - Dec 31, 2012 at 3:57 PM

      Stiller – Listen friend, it sounds like you’re probably missing a few marbles, eh? Well don’t worry, as God loves everyone. Take care, be good and Happy New Year to you and yours! :)

  12. id4joey - Dec 31, 2012 at 12:09 PM

    shortsxit34, holy Dr. Phil wannabe. Spare us the psychological bla bla. What do you know about hockey?

  13. id4joey - Dec 31, 2012 at 12:13 PM

    Stiller43, have you not anything interesting to write about? You’re obviously wrong about this, which is why we’ve been here as long as we have.

  14. shortsxit34 - Dec 31, 2012 at 2:13 PM

    I love that Joey didn’t even attempt to argue any of the points I made, he just resorted to more name-calling and, “Yeah, well, what do you know!”

    Obviously I know more than you. Hell, knowing nothing would be knowing more than you. You’ve been wrong every single time for months. The absolute last argument you should be making is that you know more than anybody when you’re 0/27 with your predictions.

    But what do I know?

    • blomfeld - Dec 31, 2012 at 3:53 PM

      shortsxit34 – Sorry friend, but I wouldn’t know you from Adam? And you sound upset for some reason? Anyway, whatever it is that’s afflicting you will hopefully soon go away. Perhaps the following can assuage some of the pain which you hurts are causing you? … God willing.

      I have made one prediction and one only … and that was for an agreement to be reached during the week on Nov 5-10 and then for play to resume by the US Thanksgiving. Now while it did look promising for a time, in the end it just wasn’t to be. So now here we are on the last day of the year and what many of us have suspected all along, is now playing out right before our very eyes. There’s no longer any need for predictions and such, as that which is about transpire is already “fact” cast in stone, or “fait accompli” as they say in French. We will have hockey and it will commence on Saturday, January 19th @ 1500 hours EST !

      God bless you friend and Happy New Year ! :)

    • id4joey - Dec 31, 2012 at 5:51 PM

      Why should my lack of response to your arguments be used as a measurement of either ones intelligence? If you believe to be the superior one, then good for you. Happy New Year, and I hope you enjoy the shortened NHL season. See you next year.

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