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Daly: Monday will show if the sides are as close as suggested

Dec 30, 2012, 6:20 PM EDT

Bill Daly AP

A few details are slipping out about Monday’s upcoming CBA talks, but Bill Daly’s comments to¬†RDS’ Renaud Lavoie might be the most telling.

“The last two days were informational,” Daly said. “No sense of whether we are as close as Don [Fehr] has suggested. I guess we will find out tomorrow.”

From the sound of that quote, it might be too early to celebrate the announcement of an abbreviated season along with the new year. Of course, this could be yet another spin-cycle in a ride hockey fans wanted to get off of a long time ago.

In other news related to the meetings, Lavoie reports that owners won’t attend the talks on Monday. It’s difficult to say that anything can be read into that decision, although it might indicate that progress might not be as hasty as some would hope.

TSN’s Darren Dreger illuminates things a bit more, stating that the league wants to negotiate the deal as a whole rather than item-by-item.

Meanwhile, the Vancouver Province’s Ben Kuzma provides a little insight on the players’ side.

Ultimately, like Daly said, we’ll get a better sense of how close the two sides really are once Monday rolls around.

  1. atwatercrushesokoye - Dec 30, 2012 at 6:24 PM

    Too simple to just meet at $63.5 million?

    • nate4077 - Dec 30, 2012 at 6:35 PM

      I think the NHLPA and the league would be happy with $65, the league pitched lower the union higher knowing how each other react. I have no evidence it is just the way it looks to me as someone who has experience in negotitions.

      I am not too worried as, I would be if the Union had gone to higher figures like $70/75. At the minute it looks civilised.

      My hope went a long time ago but I’m forcing myself to think positive. I love all levels of hockey but it’s not right playing with the world’s foremost elite league.

      • trick9 - Dec 31, 2012 at 4:24 AM

        Union actually did. They wanted 70 just recently but apparently have lowered it to 67 after owner made those concessions.

  2. acieu - Dec 30, 2012 at 6:35 PM

    How about I just kick in the difference? To whom do I make my check out?

    • macjacmccoy - Dec 30, 2012 at 8:03 PM

      Heck if you got an extra $210 million laying around it probably would be more effective for you to buy the Coyotes move them to Toronto and promise to split all profits with each of the other 29 teams. That might actually get the deal done.

      • whatthepuck2012 - Dec 30, 2012 at 8:16 PM

        And here I thought Toronto had a team…

      • tbbolts91 - Dec 30, 2012 at 11:13 PM

        yeah, the have the marlies. and the leafs, but nobody talks about them…

  3. dbarnes79 - Dec 30, 2012 at 6:53 PM

    Please just get it done.

  4. buffalo65 - Dec 30, 2012 at 7:57 PM

    They will get it done, short season will take away from the Sabres first cup but I will still enjoy it.

  5. pastabelly - Dec 30, 2012 at 8:45 PM

    They need to settle on a cap of 64-65 and start the season.

  6. inhokewetrust - Dec 30, 2012 at 8:46 PM

    Dear NHL
    As long as we can keep ALL OUR PROFITS…..your pal LARRY TANUMBUCKS and the BILLIONARES at MLSE

  7. joeyashwi - Dec 30, 2012 at 8:48 PM

    Instead of arguing about the cap they should just worry about the floor. Just because a cap is x amount doesn’t mean the owners have to spend to it. It seems like a no brainer. Self police themselves or is that too hard? This would also protect teams who have been making money and spent up to the cap of the last CBA.
    Yes, I understand that it won’t fit into the new CBA percentage but at least teams can ease their hit instead of being handcuffed by a cap number that is unfair to the teams who have been profitable and are trying to win.
    Okay, I’m a Wild fan and my team is screwed in 2013-14 if the cap is lowered significantly. Lol. Biased opinion.

  8. matt8204 - Dec 30, 2012 at 8:52 PM

    If they lose the season over this, the leadership on both sides should resign. Find a middle ground you can both live with. If you can’t, just blow the whole thing up and start over. No excuses now.

    • id4joey - Dec 30, 2012 at 9:42 PM

      matt, matt, matt, have you learned nothing from blomfeld and Bergeron? This is a charade with the end game already known. Get your head out of your jock strap there buddy. Relax! Have a beer if you’re old enough to drink. Sit back and stop worrying.

      • blomfeld - Dec 31, 2012 at 12:06 AM

        Achtung Joseph !

        Seriously man, something just dawned on me. Is your friend Bergeron the same guy who was that “fiery” coach of the Nordiques back in the late 80’s and early 90’s? Because if it is, I can tell you that I’ll always remember him as the guy who made a “knife tot the throat” gesture once to an official on the ice … typically French and very “cool” in my opinion! :) I wonder if it’s the same guy? Please let me know, eh?

      • id4joey - Dec 31, 2012 at 12:24 AM

        Lol! Yep!

      • sportsfan69 - Dec 31, 2012 at 12:44 AM


        He was a great coach for the Nords. Keep up the information gathering. Some people just like to point out problems, but offer no solutions. There idiots. I’ll send my best man on it.

        Moby is one of my favorite musicians. He’s very liberal, intelligent, talented, and a free thinker.

      • blomfeld - Dec 31, 2012 at 3:02 AM

        Attention Sportsfan – urgent message from OKW … “Army Group Blomfeld is now sending armored and “special action” infantry units to assist comrade Joey with his glorious and patriotic efforts in sector A … please stand down from providing further assistance, as the threats to that sector will be neutralized shortly” … signed, Eric Von Manstein

      • rosettast0ned - Dec 31, 2012 at 4:07 AM

        I suppose you think 911 was staged, and NASA’s first trip to the moon was a “charade”, filmed in a Hollywood studio too? The whole lockout is ridiculous but the NHL has enough problems the way it is without staging (for lack of a better term) a lockout, it could completely backfire and cause the league to lose much more money than they could have potentially gained, which is completely counter-productive to business. The owners are comprised largely of businessmen and you don’t make billions of dollars by biting off your nose to spite your face, which i’m sure is a fact they all realize. I honestly can’t see any respectable businessman/person (Before I am accused of being sexist by you and your liberal army) risking that much. That being said if anyone wants to play the blame game there is plenty of blame to go around and both sides are at fault, in my opinion. You accuse people of being “sheep,” yet every time there is word of progress from the tabloids or your supposed insider(s) you automatically believe it, so explain to me how that makes you any different from the rest of us sheep, as you and blomfeld have dubbed many of the people that post on PHT? And for the love of Christ blomfeld what is with this news caster/military mastermind/philosopher crap, do you suffer from multiple personality disorder or something to that extent? Oh yeah, (insert Ba Ba Blacksheep here) because I know it is coming, so I will save you the trouble.

      • id4joey - Dec 31, 2012 at 7:26 AM

        sportsfan69, he was certainly very animated behind the bench, and fueled the rivalry between Montreal and Quebec.

      • id4joey - Dec 31, 2012 at 7:50 AM

        rosettast0ned, you had me at “I suppose” then lost me at “love of Christ”. The NHL cancelled a full season in 05 to get the CBA they wanted, a d it worked like a charm. So, why wouldn’t they be willing to lose less than half a season to get what they want this time? I don’t know about 911, but there are interesting theories about how the govt could have prevented it. The moon? I couldn’t care less about the theories. You want to throw out unproven conspiracies, then that’s fine. Here are a few proven ones;
        Bernie Ebbers/2005
        He was convicted of fraud and conspiracy in the largest (to date) accounting scandal in U.S. history, as a result of WorldCom’s false financial reporting, and subsequent 180 billion dollar loss to investors.

        Secret CIA Prisons/2006
        A story by reporter Dana Priest published in The Washington Post of November 2, 2005, reported that “The CIA has been hiding and interrogating some of its most important al Qaeda captives at a Soviet-era compound in Eastern Europe, according to U.S. and foreign officials familiar with the arrangement. The report contends that the CIA has a worldwide covert prison system with facilities in Asia, Eastern Europe, and in Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. The system is central to the agency’s anti-terror role, and according to the report has been kept secret from government officials (including Congressional committees that oversee the CIA) through the agency’s own efforts as well as cooperation with foreign intelligence services. This conspiracy was proven in 2006 when President Bush admitted that indeed there are secret CIA prisons in Europe and elsewhere.

        Enron and Arthur Andersen/2001
        The company and its Big Five accounting firm conspired to commit accounting fraud. Fortune named Enron “America’s Most Innovative Company” for six consecutive years.

        Secret Bombing of Cambodia/1969
        Operation Menu was the codename for secret US bombing of alleged North Vietnamese strongholds and supply lines in Cambodia during the Vietnam War in 1969. The bombing, of a nation the US was not at war with, began with Operation Breakfast on March 17, 1969 and was conducted in secret until the New York Times broke the story on May 8, 1969.

        Iran-Contra/1981 to 1986 – 5 bloody years
        The Iran-Contra Affair (also known as “Irangate”) was a mid-1980s political scandal in the United States. President Ronald Reagan’s administration sold arms to Iran, an avowed enemy. At the time, Americans were being held hostage in Lebanon by Hezbollah, a militant Shi’a organization loyal to Ayatollah Khomeini, and it was hoped that Iran would influence them to release the hostages; at the same time, Iran, which was in the midst of the Iran-Iraq War, could find few nations willing to supply it with weapons. The U.S. diverted proceeds from the sale to the Contras, anti-Communist guerrillas engaged in an insurgency against the left wing Sandinista government of Nicaragua. Both the sale of weapons and the funding of the Contras violated stated administration policy as well as legislation passed by the Democratic-controlled Congress, which had blocked further Contra funding. * Incomplete without mentioning Mena Arkansas as a base of operations and the drugs for arms bartering * with among other connections, to The Bluegrass Conspiracy a book by Sally Denton detailing drugs and corrupton involving the commissioner of Kentucky State Police, (who resigned) officers and other officials as reported in newspapers.

        Watergate scandal/1972 to 1974

        Do you want more? So, it’s not that far fetched, and especially in light of the recent events that the lockout is a charade.

      • blomfeld - Dec 31, 2012 at 2:16 PM

        Dearest Rosetta,
        you’ve taken the time to type out what is undoubtedly meant to be a hurtful message, so allow me to reply as follows:

        1) Please note that I only direct the “sheep” accusation towards those people who’ve attacked me with either hostile or hurtful commentary (ie: return fire). Failing that, my standard “go to” greeting for any fellow poster here at PHT has always been things like “friend, comrade” and such as …

        2) I am just a humble man who forms his own opinions based on nothing more than what I see and hear with my own two eyes and ears. I have no sources and nor do I want any. It’s much more fun and challenging to figure things out on your own in life.

        3) Yes I believe 9-11 was an “inside job” or a “false flag” operation if you will. There is simply so much that doesn’t add up and I’ll point to the Pentagon as being one of the most flagrant inconsistencies. As probably the most “secure” building in the world, with hundreds if not “thousands” of CCTV cameras trained on it from every conceivable angle, it’s positively laughable that to this day not one frame of a Boeing 757 aircraft actually “hitting or approaching” the building can be produced? … and please don’t mention those 4 x idiotic “still frames” of some laser light at the parking gate! I believe that if they could produce such footage then it would have been made available for the public post haste. But it hasn’t and that is because I believe … A) no plane ever hit the Pentagon … and B) you can’t ever “replicate” a plane hitting the Pentagon.

        4) The moon landing in 1969 was completely staged, as were all subsequent “supposed” landings thereafter! With this one I don’t even know where to start as the whole thing is more preposterous than an episode of the Roadrunner Show! But let’s just take two problems or “inconsistencies” with the official story okay? … A) footprints made by 75 kg astronauts, yet no footprint on the lunar surface from an 8 ton lunar module? … B) coke can clearly seen on the lunar surface in various frames?

        Look, it makes no difference about any of this stuff anyway, because even if you did prove something to be fake or phoney, nobody really cares and likely no good will ever come out of it for the person doing the proving! In the end, it probably is better just to be a happy sheep and go with the flock. Ignorance is bliss eh? Look, I’m a sheep too, just like everyone else. The problem with me however is that for whatever reason, God has selected me to be the rebel sheep who always roams at a distance from the flock, looking out for any potential trouble and always being there for the flock when needed. God also made me a “tough” sheep too, who the wolves are even afraid of! :)

        Special video selection for all sheep including Blomfeld, Rosetta and friends !

      • blomfeld - Dec 31, 2012 at 3:01 PM

        Joey – You’re a smart guy my friend and damn interesting! Yeah, I sure remember those days back in the eighties when “Ollie” North was in the news almost every other night … good times. Isn’t it funny though how people are so “adverse” to the notion that something isn’t above board? I’ve often wondered about that? Yet over the years I’ve come to the realization that such a reaction is usually based on nothing more than a primal “fear” of the unknown .. and that’s understandable. But in reality you could also view such underhandedness as perhaps nothing more than “creativity” or doing things in a “different” way. The north American Indian fought the White man in the 18th and 19th centuries using what today is referred to as “asymmetric warfare”. They had to as they had no other choice … and yet for doing so they were called “savages” at the time. In Spanish and French circles at the time, Horatio Nelson was considered a “terrorist” for his cutting-edge doctrine of attacking an enemy at a right angle and initiating a “melee” as opposed to the accepted practice of engaging “line a breast” … this would later become known as the Nelson Touch.

        So despite our assertion that this NHL impasse is nothing but a “charade” or a preconceived plan, at the same time we sure have to give Gary credit for thinking “outside the box” eh? There was probably never a “chance in hell” of this league being repaired using a conventional approach (ie: good faith bargaining with a greedy and headstrong NHLPA, etc). And so what Gary has done here was likely the only choice he had … and it appears to be working, thank God! :)

        ps: can you please tell Bergeron the next time you talk with him, that a guy called Blomfeld in Vancouver thinks that he was the “coolest” coach ever in the NHL! He was funny, crazy and bloody good … the exact things which this league needs more of today! … thanks

  9. fortwaynekomets - Dec 30, 2012 at 9:32 PM

    there will be no season. I’ve already heard from the Anaheim Ducks staff DON’T EXPECT hockey this season with a sincere apology to me personally. my cousin has season tickets and has been in talks with them for weeks now.

    • id4joey - Dec 30, 2012 at 9:44 PM

      sources……. Don’t ever believe sources? Perhaps it is a metaphor with respect to how the Ducks will play this year.

    • atwatercrushesokoye - Dec 30, 2012 at 9:45 PM

      Wow, I didn’t realize you had such inside sources. Maybe we could ask the Tampa Bay ice crew for confirmation?

  10. purp1234 - Dec 30, 2012 at 10:05 PM

    “Monday will tell if the sides are as close as suggested”. What are they using, a Magic 8 Ball? “Oh, Magic 8 Ball, will there be a season this year?” (shake, shake)…”Answer…hazy, try again”.

    Here, we might as well try it too. Let’s see what answers we get…

  11. ducksk - Dec 30, 2012 at 10:08 PM

    Sources are like a$$ holes. Everyone says they have one.. There will be a season this year. Fact. All the other crap don’t matter. You may think one way or the other, but facts are you don’t. It’s ugly and both sides are really pissed. And so are the fans. This sniping by some players will be costly to their career. Fact.

    • id4joey - Dec 31, 2012 at 12:22 AM

      ducksk, though you screw up you make us laugh. everyone says they have one…. But like sources they real don’t have an a$$ hole. Lol!

  12. blomfeld - Dec 31, 2012 at 12:19 AM


    Bloomberg Sports News – It’s been confirmed tonight by our intrepid reporter comrade Blomfeld, that the 2012-13 NHL season will commence on Saturday, January 19th @ 1500 hours EST … true fans of the game are therefore advised to now “stand down” from their fears and allow for “joy” to carry the day ! :)

    *** special “Bloomberg Sports” video selection for all of the hoodwinked sheep ***

  13. omniusprime - Dec 31, 2012 at 8:59 AM

    Let’s hope that they’re not as close as suggested in this article. if they were close I think they’d already be shaking hands on a deal. Let’s hope that they can’t get the deal done so NHL hockey dies the ignominious death it so richly deserves.

    Hockey Stick – Apply Directly to the Forehead!!!

    • id4joey - Dec 31, 2012 at 9:21 AM

      Yes! omniusprime! I think many have already applied their sticks to your forehead.

  14. starsfan11 - Dec 31, 2012 at 2:43 PM

    Now I know Blomfeld is a total wack job. 9/11 was inside job? You might be from Canada but you should be ashamed and embarrassed with that pathetic comment. You really all owe family members an apology.

    • id4joey - Dec 31, 2012 at 4:48 PM

      Hey! Sheep! The US gov’t and no one else owes those families the apology for failing to protect them. They had the intel and did not act. Can you say “Mr. Bush, why were you mostly on vacation up until 911 as opposed to taking care of business?

      Dow Chemical owes the families in Bhopal, India $12 billion for medical bills resulting from the plant disaster in 1984. People are still suffering today and the Dow Chemical has yet to take responsibility and even clean up their, but they sure as hell took the money. Go USA. Stand down, moron!

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