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Report: NHL, union talking, not negotiating yet

Dec 29, 2012, 2:40 PM EDT

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If you were hoping for significant progress today after it was revealed Friday that the NHL made significant concessions in its latest CBA proposal, you might end up being disappointed.

The NHL and union are talking as expected, but the discussions have been purely “informational” so far, according to TSN’s Darren Dreger.

That’s not surprising considering that, as ESPN’s Katie Strang pointed out, the NHL’s proposal is about 300 pages.

If all goes well, the two sides might meet in person on Sunday.

The NHLPA is reportedly working on a counteroffer and the league’s reaction to it will be telling. There is some time to rebound if negotiations once again break off, but the season will either be salvaged or lost in the next few weeks.

  1. capesouth - Dec 29, 2012 at 2:51 PM

    Owners can’t just walk away from counter proposal and say their offer was ‘take it or leave it’. They have done that several times already and have always come back to the table.

    • stakex - Dec 29, 2012 at 3:56 PM

      I doubt that will happen at this point since there is simply no time left. The simple fact that they came back with concessions after saying their offer was completely off the table just a couple weeks ago is a big deal. It means the owners don’t want to lose the season, or go down the dark and uncharted road of a court battle.

      On the flip side, Fehr can’t keep playing the role of a moving target. There comes a point where he has to be happy with getting more concessions then a lot of people ever expected, and stop coming up with new demands every time the owners give in on something. Thats my fear this time around. Fehr might smell blood and go for more, perhaps demanding things he didn’t demand before…. and that will not go over well with the owners.

      • shotzongoal - Dec 29, 2012 at 5:16 PM

        @ stakex My concern is Mr. Fehr is waiting until the last moment to make a deal. The PA will ostensibly check every nook and cranny of the NHL proposal but delay until the pressure of a canceled season or desertification is imminent.

        What I do not understand is why? The league will not give up anymore dollars. Every concession the NHL has made has been in conditions other than the 50/50 guaranteed payment based on revenue. Since the players missed $750 M of salary so far, what is the point of Fehr risking the season for things like length of the CBA agreement, contract term limits and such? I hope he knows better or we will lose a season.

      • shotzongoal - Dec 29, 2012 at 5:32 PM

        My concern is Mr. Fehr is waiting until the last moment to make a deal. The PA will ostensibly check every nook and cranny of the NHL proposal but delay until the pressure of a canceled season or desertification is imminent.

        What I do not understand is why? The league will not give up anymore dollars. Every concession the NHL has made has been in conditions other than the 50/50 guaranteed payment based on revenue. Since the players missed $750 M of salary so far, what is the point of Fehr risking the season for things like length of the CBA agreement, contract term limits and such? I hope he knows better or we will lose a season.

      • shotzongoal - Dec 29, 2012 at 5:35 PM

        oops! That’ll teach me to post while I’m drinking!

      • blomfeld - Dec 29, 2012 at 10:19 PM

        shotzongoal – it’s okay friend as drinking and posting is “cool” in my books ! :)

    • bcjim - Dec 29, 2012 at 4:17 PM

      They haven’t really. Their “new” offers have been altered insignificantly. They (for better or worse) are sticking to their guns. The players better open their eyes and realize this.

      • trick9 - Dec 29, 2012 at 5:41 PM

        ”Bruce Garrioch @SunGarrioch

        My sources say owners have privately informed Bettman cancelling the season is not an acceptable option.”

        That shouldn’t come as surprise. There are only few hard-line owners left and moderate owners don’t want to lose this season because it’s not worth it considering that they already got the 50/50 split they were looking for.

  2. purp1234 - Dec 29, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    Meetings are “informational”? For the love of Conn Smythe…what more information do they need? Vince from Sham-wow is “informational” (it’s made by the Germans and you know they make good things)…after months and months of this, what more information could they need? It’s like when Shelly Duvall tells Jack Nicholson she needs another “minute to think about it” as he’s chasing her up the stairs and he says “you had your whole life to think about it…what good is another minute gonna do ya?” So, to quote Jack…What’s it gonna be Bette, what’s it gonna be?”.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS5VLRYihZM

  3. atwatercrushesokoye - Dec 29, 2012 at 3:09 PM

    Fehr: so what are you guys up to?
    Bettman: nothing just hanging out, what are yo up to?
    Fehr: nothing, just sitting around. So what are you wearing?…

  4. bleed4philly - Dec 29, 2012 at 3:27 PM

    This is so stupid. The owners sign some of the most retarded contracts ever to stay under a cap which they agreed to in the first place and now they want their $$$ back. They’re just rich guys who know absolutely nothing about hockey and if they lose $$$ they bleeping deserve it!

  5. blomfeld - Dec 29, 2012 at 3:29 PM

    Vince from Sham-wow ?

    Is that the guy on TV wearing the headset and promoting that cleaning device? I have to level with you man … every time I see that freak I begin to seriously entertain violent thoughts? Look, here’s the deal. Given a January 19th start date @ 1500 hrs EST, they can’t announce anything sooner than 2 weeks prior. So that basically means that there’s still a little more time to kill, though not so much now. At any rate, my best guess is that “the announcement” will be made this coming week, perhaps as early as Friday Jan 4th or Saturday Jan 5th. If they did it beforehand, then the entire stunt would become so obvious that even the sheep would start hearing alarm bells! :)

    • ravenscaps48 - Dec 29, 2012 at 3:44 PM

      Can Joey confirm this?

      • blomfeld - Dec 29, 2012 at 4:38 PM

        Ravenscaps – I wouldn’t doubt it that people like you, Joey and others have legitimate sources who provide information. It’s perfectly plausible and besides, what would be the big deal? As for me friend, my sources are nothing more than my very own eyes and ears … and perhaps a dash of experience. You just watch how these phonies play this out now over the coming days. I truthfully wish it hadn’t come to this, as I don’t like the “48 game” concept one bit. But apparently that’s what we’re going to get, whether we like it or not.

    • purp1234 - Dec 29, 2012 at 5:33 PM

  6. husky2score - Dec 29, 2012 at 3:39 PM

    Well what are they talking about, what ice cream they ate last night for dessert?? Get to negotiating!!!!

    • ravenscaps48 - Dec 29, 2012 at 3:45 PM

      It takes some time to read a 300 page contract, fellas. It’ll get done. Just show a little patience.

  7. whatthepuck2012 - Dec 29, 2012 at 4:38 PM

    Informational?
    Bettman: “Honey never spoils.”
    Fehr: “The lightest mammal is the bumblebee bat.”
    Bettman: “Porcupines can float.”
    Fehr: “A male ostrich can roar like a lion.”

  8. flyeredup - Dec 29, 2012 at 5:29 PM

    Feels like Deja Vu and Groundhog Day all over again. Tomorrow’s Headlines: “after meeting all day, No future talks scheduled”

    • id4joey - Dec 29, 2012 at 11:13 PM

      Seriously! Can’t you tell what’s happening? Why are the owners back at the table? Neither side wants to lose a whole season. They had mid Jan as a start date in their calendar from the get go.

      • blomfeld - Dec 29, 2012 at 11:44 PM

        Chief Joseph – “Stand down” from your fears friend … the season starts on Saturday, January 19th @ 1500 hrs EST … and this will be preceded by an “announcement” that is coming either this Friday (Jan-4) or Saturday (Jan-5) … it’s okay man, take it easy, as everything’s under control here … Blom :)

      • id4joey - Dec 30, 2012 at 12:50 PM

        blomfeld, have you been drinking and posting? Dec 18, “Done deal!” – Michel Bergeron. This is playing out like an episode of “The Mounties.” What fears? Seeing the blind sheep here predicting all sorts of outcomes while the owners are on plan for a shortened season to begin in Jan (as only you predicted they had a plan….. so what that you were off by a month) is so anticlimactic.

  9. dbarnes79 - Dec 30, 2012 at 3:08 AM

    Next few weeks? If they don’t get a deal done in the next few days forget it, it’s over!

  10. kingraven24 - Dec 30, 2012 at 7:24 AM

    Amazing how the owners have put their foot up the fans ass and show no remorse for doing so

    • id4joey - Dec 30, 2012 at 4:04 PM

      Equally amazing is how the players have put their foot up the fans ass and show no remorse for doing so. After all, it is the fans that pay their fat, and many cases over bloated salaries. Have you noticed those players who stop caring about the fans after they sign the fat juicy contract and cruise along until they get to the last year of their contracts?

  11. otis53 - Dec 30, 2012 at 5:20 PM

    All of the players salarys are not that bloated I still think the players should have been in front of the stadiums with pickets in there hands and standing in front of fire barrels to stay warm. At least they would have kept the backing of the fans.The only people that are loosing out are the fans because they think that we will just jump right back watching our game that we love so much.
    I allways backed the players but then I start hearing about comm ents on how some of the Nashville players hoped they would stay in there own countries, if they could make the money there, they would never play in the N.H.L. I say let them stay If it wasn’t for T.V. there wouldnt be a lot of southern teams in the N.H.L.

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