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NHL confirms making “new, comprehensive proposal” to NHLPA

Dec 28, 2012, 12:48 PM EDT

Bill Daly

NHL Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly has confirmed the league made a new collective bargaining agreement offer to the players’ union.

Daly’s statement, courtesy NHL.com:

In light of media reports this morning, I can confirm that we delivered to the Union a new, comprehensive proposal for a successor CBA late yesterday afternoon.

We are not prepared to discuss the details of our proposal at this time. We are hopeful that once the Union’s staff and negotiating committee have had an opportunity to thoroughly review and consider our new proposal, they will share it with the players.

We want to be back on the ice as soon as possible.

Some of the main points of the NHL’s latest offer:

– The NHL is now willing to allow a variance of 10% in contracts, up from its previous offer of 5%.

– $300 million in Make Whole or, as NHLPA boss Donald Fehr prefers to call it, “transition payments” is still on the table.

– The salary cap for 2013-14 would be $60 million.

– Each team would be allowed to buy out one contract prior to 2013-14 without it impacting the salary cap. However, the money would still come out of the players’ share of hockey-related revenues.

– The proposed CBA is still a 10-year deal and an “extremely detailed proposal,” according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune’s Michael Russo.

Courtesy ESPN’s Pierre LeBrun, here are the full details.

Curiously, Daly’s confirmation comes shortly after Helene Elliott of the LA Times reported the following:

That came on Thursday, the same day the NHL submitted its proposal to the union.

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  1. bcsteele - Dec 28, 2012 at 12:59 PM

    If the players counter I’m going with a 99% chance of Bettman saying “not good enough.”

    Just saying…

    • muckthefets23 - Dec 28, 2012 at 1:31 PM

      Unfortunately you’re probably right in saying that.

  2. ron05342 - Dec 28, 2012 at 1:42 PM

    Bill Daly: “We want to be back on the ice as soon as possible.”

    Really?

    After seeing you drag your feet for over three months, I just have a real hard time believing that, Bill.

    • stakex - Dec 28, 2012 at 2:03 PM

      The owners have made virtually all the concessions in the last two months. In the business world, you can’t keep negotiating against yourself… you need a willing partner on the other side of the table, which the players haven’t been.

      And before you say “Well, whats in it for the players??” or “The owners are trying to screw the players, why should they give in?” let me point out a couple things:

      1. The owners take all the risks. If theres a bad year and the team loses a ton of money, the players still get every cent they are owed.

      2. How many workers in the world get 57% of a businesses income? Hell… how many businesses split thier revenu 50/50 with their workers?

      3. The players don’t contribute at all to the costs of running a team. They don’t pay for the trainers, the cost of running the arena, marketing, or anything at all for that matter.

      4. Even a “poor” NHL player making a minimum salary still makes more in a year then the average person makes in 12 years.

      5. These players are treated like royalty by their teams, with the best possible traning facilities and staff, they travel by private jet, stay in five star hotel rooms, and pay for virtually nothing out of their own pocket…. yet they get 57% of the revenu? Yikes.

      —————————————————————–

      So think about that when you say the league was dragging its feet. The players have it better then you can possibly imagine, and they have refused to accept the financial reality of the situation. The owners have in fact moved, but they can’t give it away… the players need to meet the owners somewhere.

      Id go as far to say the offer then owners made is better then they probably should have given the players…. and if Fehr responds with a joke of a counter then we know for a fact who really wants this to drag on.

      • joshuakorr - Dec 28, 2012 at 2:16 PM

        Before the talks broke off here’s what happened:
        (1) The players and owners met and tried to find common ground on the remaining issues;
        (2) The owners came back with an offer that compromised on 2 points, the make-whole provision and the pension plan – but the owners also demanded at least 3 points, (i) extremely limited contract length (ii) 10 year CBA (iii) longer entry level deals;
        (3) The players submitted a counter-proposal;
        (4) The owners had a 3-year-old style temper tantrum because they didn’t immediately get everything they wanted. They called off talks. They could have submitted a counter-offer.

        Yesterday the league finally submitted a counteroffer. It took them about 3 weeks.

        The whole time the league’s position has been trying to railroad the PA. Then people comment “the player’s need to accept reality.” But the players keep on receiving counteroffers from the NHL. So it looks like they are having some success in making this a somewhat two-way negotiation.

        To suggest the PA has done nothing when they have made massive concessions toward a deal that is much worse for them than status quo is a pretty skewed view.

      • mp1131211 - Dec 28, 2012 at 2:28 PM

        You have no idea what you are talking about, do you?

        The owners have made virtually all the concessions in the last two months.” – PLayers made concessions to owners which owners denied and ended all talks.

        ” The owners take all the risks” – Uh…. google news for concussion research. Owners take financial risk, players take health risk. Plus, the players DON’T get everything they are told they will get because every few years, the league welshes on their contracts.

        “How many workers in the world get 57% of a businesses income?” Actually, in many industries that require highly skilled workers to perform elite jobs, the workers take upwards of 60% of the total revenue. This is really not that weird at all.

        ” The players don’t contribute at all to the costs of running a team.” OK, this is just totally off. The players do pay for almost all of the costs. They get some odd million dollars in a contract, receive a stipend of that throughout the year and the remainder goes into a slush fund with all the other player’s contracted money. At the end of the year, coaches, trainers, ice time, nearly everything is paid for from the slush fund, and then the players are dolled out the remainder of their money. So actually, they pay for damn near everything.

        “Even a “poor” NHL player making a minimum salary still makes more in a year then the average person makes in 12 years” OK, one good point, but clearly not justification for all the owners to take whatever they want since the exact same thing could be said about the owners.

        “These players are treated like royalty by their teams, with the best possible traning facilities and staff, they travel by private jet, stay in five star hotel rooms, and pay for virtually nothing out of their own pocket…. yet they get 57% of the revenu? Yikes” Again, you have no clue how the industry is run, obviously.

  3. thomaspratt - Dec 28, 2012 at 1:46 PM

    I can’t believe these titans of business believe such a paltry increase in revenue sharing is enough to fix weak market ills. When the history of this labor negotiation is written, I will be curious to understand why the PA didn’t make a bigger issue of the failing franchises.

    I also can’t believe the owners of Vancouver, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Tampa Bay, et al are going to sit for that cap recapture scheme.

    • mp1131211 - Dec 28, 2012 at 2:35 PM

      When you represent all the NHL players, suggesting a contraction is suggesting that fewer players should be employed. Those are the kinds of discussions that have to happen behind closed doors and can’t be discussed openly or both sides risk the whole thing blowing up in their face.

      • thomaspratt - Dec 28, 2012 at 3:50 PM

        I agree with you there. But he could be harping on revenue sharing or relocation, or really just pointing out that 4-6 markets in the league are basket cases and the league has to address them.

        If the markets fail, the jobs are going away anyway.

    • macjacmccoy - Dec 29, 2012 at 6:22 AM

      The fact the you lumped Philly in with those 3 markets shows me you have no clue what your talking about.

  4. thomaspratt - Dec 28, 2012 at 1:56 PM

    One more thing, if this tweet is correct, Fehr ought to keep pushing.

    Bruce Garrioch @SunGarrioch
    My sources say owners have privately informed Bettman cancelling the season is not an acceptable option.

  5. jimw81 - Dec 28, 2012 at 2:07 PM

    who would thought of all people Eklund who be the person who reported the story that saved the season.

    big owners had to push bettman and daily out of the way to cut a deal.

  6. ddaveyy - Dec 28, 2012 at 2:36 PM

    Ironically, who knew the NHL and the PA could keep something like this quiet for as long as they did…impressive.

    Dave

  7. dprouse - Dec 28, 2012 at 4:20 PM

    This offer allows Fehr to save some face, but the reality is that there is very little new money on the table from the owners. Escrow, share of revenue, and the cap are all staying the same. In the meantime, since the NHL walked away in early December, the players lost two big pay days that they will never recover. Claiming that waiting got the players a significantly better deal just doesn’t square with what is being proposed. All this new offer does is allow the players to cut a deal with their dignity intact, a smart move on the NHL’s part.

  8. capsrockva - Dec 28, 2012 at 5:50 PM

    just get the dam thing done please for the fans sake

  9. ussportsfanuk - Dec 28, 2012 at 5:59 PM

    It is always encouraging when you hear that a new offer has been put forward. You then read that the NHLPA want to submit a counter offer and suddenly it seems like it’s back to square one!

  10. fortwaynekomets - Dec 28, 2012 at 7:22 PM

    let the Boycotts begin

    • desertfan - Dec 29, 2012 at 12:47 PM

      All this nonsense about “boycotts”

      Todays Globe- 100,000 season ticket holders in Canada, up to 8,000 per team on waiting lists,so far 200 cancelled.

      thats right TWO HUNDRED!!!!!!

  11. fortwaynekomets - Dec 29, 2012 at 1:18 PM

    LET THE FHER- Bettman EGO BEGIN!

    I JUST WANNA KNOW WHO WINS… BETTMAN OR FHER. WHOEVER LOSSESVIS GOING TO BE AUCH A LOSER!!!! HAHAHA

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