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Report: No talks scheduled, NHLPA might be waiting on NHL

Dec 26, 2012, 7:36 PM EST

Donald Fehr: Sidney Crosby AP

The NHL and NHLPA still haven’t scheduled a meeting, but some scant details emerged to provide a little background info – even if those bits probably won’t add any hope.

First, RDS’ Renaud P. Lavoie cites a source who claims that the players are waiting on the owners to set discussions back into motion.

Also, the notion that the two sides haven’t even engaged in token discussions in 13 days* might not be totally true. ESPN’s Pierre LeBrun reports that they’ve at least had some contact lately.

These aren’t the bigger movements one would hope to hear about with 2012 nearly over and Bill Daly’s mid-January “point of no return” approaching, yet it’s (slightly) better than nothing.

In the mean time, fans can soak in the World Junior Championships and other hockey replacements while GMs admit they’re embarrassed and the Phoenix Coyotes ponder a possible profit.

* – That’s based on Dec. 14, when the league filed a class action complaint in anticipation of the union’s disclaimer of interest.

  1. bubblehead22 - Dec 26, 2012 at 7:46 PM

    Great way to solve your problems; no communication. MORONS.

  2. zetaone - Dec 26, 2012 at 7:52 PM

    This is like watching a car wreck. You can’t look away.

  3. starsfan11 - Dec 26, 2012 at 8:01 PM

    And Joey will be here in thirty seconds claiming “done deal”. “Bergie is the man” What will Joey guarantee next?

    • id4joey - Dec 26, 2012 at 9:33 PM

      Puck drops on Jan 15th. This will prove that Bergie and blomfeld were correct. The former for the date, and the latter for seeing the conspiracy before any of us.

      • tortowl - Dec 26, 2012 at 11:25 PM

        Been reading these responses from id4Joey for weeks now… Clearly you enjoy the public bashing… and I guess bad press is better than no press, right?
        You are an attention sponge and probably sit in your basement, checking this site every 5 minutes to see who will bash your moronic comments next… Gosh I wish I had that much free time in my life.
        The bottom line is this – THERE IS NO HOCKEY NOW, and the sad truth is that the number of people that will actually welcome it back with open arms dwindles by the thousand fold weekly….
        Joey, you reporting on the lockout ending each week is humorous, but sad… Enjoy your basement time as we look forward to your next post. How long have you worked for the NHL? Mr Insider?
        Was that before or after you played football for Alabama, discovered Apple, and created the Bubba Gump Shrimp Company?

      • id4joey - Dec 27, 2012 at 8:17 AM

        Wow! tortowl. You obviously spend time reading posts, take time out of your life to write in detail about me and my life which you know only through this entertaing site, and somehow in your world I have issues.

  4. chrisvegas - Dec 26, 2012 at 8:16 PM

    Take your time… No Rush…. What a joke! At this point I would be shocked if we had a season as there seems to be to many egos involved in this process. At this point I’m beyond frustrated with the NHL. Eventually I’ll become indifferent and at that point the NHL may never get my money again.

  5. sportsfan69 - Dec 26, 2012 at 8:30 PM

    It really sicken me as a fan, that the NHLPA has not submitted a counter proposal since the last the CBA proposal submitted by the owners in November. It’s insulting and downright stupid by the players. They could have countered with agreeing to the 10/8 CBA provision and requested publicly to a 6/8 max contract provision and the owners would have caved in and we would have a CBA agreement. The players could have played a 62 game schedule.

    But, NO stupidity, greed, pride, immaturity, and egos took over the NHLPA.

    • woodstakes - Dec 27, 2012 at 12:33 AM

      I think you have that backwards there man… I believe it went like this.. The NHL made an offer and demanded a “Yes or No…” and they received a counter offer by the PA and the owners got there stick and pucks and left pouting. So, in all actuality it would be the NHL’s turn to counter either the same offer they offered for the “Yes or No” answer or tweak that offer or come up with a completely new offer all together. The rest of the semantics I believe your probably pretty accurate on, except in my opinion you could link them to both sides pretty equally at this point.

  6. thebadguyswon - Dec 26, 2012 at 8:30 PM

    LOSERS

  7. blomfeld - Dec 26, 2012 at 8:57 PM

    WAITING ON A FRIEND

    Like everyone else, I too obviously have no idea what’s “really” going on in the minds of these people? Mutually Assured Destruction is now only days away and yet both sides seem intent on making no more of an effort to solve this thing than they did last summer, which was positively squat. So what seriously gives here? Are these people actually “suicidal” nuts, hell bent on destroying an entire professional sports league and taking untold thousands upon thousands of livelihoods down the drain with them? Is this supposed to be like hockey’s version of Jonestown or something?

    Or is this possibly something else? Please allow friends me to indulge you one more time with what I believe is “really” unfolding here …

    _____________________________________________________________

    blomfeld – Dec 23, 2012 at 12:48 AM

    So the number was “48″ then all along …

    Many of us have known from the beginning that this entire business is nothing more than a “contrived” charade with a “predetermined” start date at some point into the season. Fehr is nothing more than a “payed” patsy reading from a prepared script and the entire NHLPA has about as much sway here as a bunch of hapless penguins would have over global warming. What we didn’t know however, was what Bettman’s “predetermined” start date would actually be? Through analysis and deduction, I had estimated that an agreement would be reached during the week of Nov 5-10. And though it did look promising during that week, in the end it wasn’t to be. Yet now as events unfold and approach a climax, the end game which Bettman had in mind all along is now starting to become crystal clear to us … we will have a shortened 48 game season and it will commence in January! So basically this is an exact facsimile of the NBA experience last year, and basically this is a remedy for the NHL’s financial ills, which was no doubt prescribed by the good doctors at Proskauer Rose.

    • sportsfan69 - Dec 26, 2012 at 9:29 PM

      Great tune, The Stones, I see the irony.

      • blomfeld - Dec 26, 2012 at 11:30 PM

        Sportsfan – of course I acknowledge that the Beatles were the “best” ever, however the Stones will always remain as my favorite band … in my humble opinion, this album “Tatoo You” was the last excellent piece of studio work that they did (1981) …

  8. antkowiak666 - Dec 26, 2012 at 9:06 PM

    the NHL is the biggest f@$#ing joke in ALL of sports.you ALL should be f@#$ing embarressed.you do not deserve us as fans.

  9. starsfan11 - Dec 26, 2012 at 9:09 PM

    Anyone who thinks Fehr is a puppet or patsy has no clue. There is a reason why MLB is the strongest union in sports and why there has been labor peace since 95. Fehr is that reason. He is trying to do for the NHLPA what he did for the MLBPA. Bettman has no clue who he is dealing with

    • sportsinhd - Dec 26, 2012 at 9:33 PM

      Baseball is a different animal than hockey (obviously). There’s a reason the MLB Union is so strong, the teams at the top have a real interest in preserving the status quo. There’s no way the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, and Dodgers (and a few others) will ever agree to a salary cap or any other provision that impedes player movement and free agency. In the NHL all the owners seem to be in agreement when it comes to saving their pennies.

      • woodstakes - Dec 27, 2012 at 12:36 AM

        To add something to your statement… in order to keep that status quo as you stated.. these teams are willing to give a large portion of their profits to the lesser teams in order to keep them alive in MLB.

    • jtrain1966 - Dec 27, 2012 at 1:15 AM

      I think you should have that statement switched to Fehr doesn’t know who he’s dealing with ! I guess he thought he would walk in & the last minute say the players want this Gary, BOOM DEAL DONE ! If that in fact is what he thought would happen because there is no way Gary would lockout the players for a 3rd time in 20yrs., then he needs to rethink the way he negotiates because, that tactic will never work in dealing with Bettman ! Hell, I don’t even like the guy but, even I know that negotiating like that with Bettman will never work !

    • id4joey - Dec 27, 2012 at 8:49 AM

      starsfan11, right now Fehr has 750 employees under his responsibility losing millions of dollars. All of them will not make up for lost revenue. Since this is a lockout one has to assume it’s the owners who are exactly in the position they want to be and probably wanted to be all along. Only they hold the key to resolve this lockout. Fehr is mandating squat right now. If anything, he in the ropes with no way out except for the owners willingness to end the lockout. They have all the leverage, and you can’t compare baseball economics with hockey.

  10. sportsfan69 - Dec 26, 2012 at 9:19 PM

    I thought I would drop in a Frasier scene. The one with Bebe Glazer (Donald Fehr) handling Frasier’s (NHLPA) new contract (CBA).

    • blomfeld - Dec 26, 2012 at 11:23 PM

      Comrade Sportsfan – I love all the old “great” comedy shows like Cheers, Seinfeld, Mash, etc … but Frasier is still my favorite of them all! :)

  11. joeyashwi - Dec 26, 2012 at 9:20 PM

    In Bettman’s defense he has no clue, period.

  12. blomfeld - Dec 26, 2012 at 9:22 PM

    ps: Given the fact that people don’t respond well to the notion of being duped or tricked (I know that I sure don’t), I’ve decided to “re-brand” my contrived lockout theory and supporting analysis to the “Stransky” theory. For those not aware, Stransky is an old friend of mine, who is both a physicist and an expert in forensic causation analysis. It was he who actually first pointed out way back in April, that there existed a strong possibility that the NHL would stage a “contrived” labor impasse this fall, which was designed to camouflage a hidden agenda being driven by Gary Bettman and several key power owners. The elimination of the season’s “front end” and the creation of a new CBA which would amount to nothing short of a diktat” for the players, were two of the goals suspected by Stransky to be on that agenda.

    • williplett - Dec 27, 2012 at 5:00 AM

      Did a Google search on “Stransky forensic causation analysis” and your posts on PHT are all that showed up. Is that guy even real?

      • blomfeld - Dec 28, 2012 at 12:47 PM

        Williplett – yes my friend, he is just as real as I … though obviously we can’t use our real names here in a public forum like this, due to security considerations and such …

      • williplett - Dec 28, 2012 at 9:52 PM

        If he’s lecturing at a university in Europe, what “security considerations” exist that prevent you from mentioning his real name in the comment section of a hockey website half a world away? Seems like more games and BS. And you wonder why people question your opinions and “sources”…

  13. stangz11 - Dec 26, 2012 at 9:25 PM

    On the one hand, neither side seems willing to budge so meeting seems rather pointless. On the other, nothing is going to be accomplished by refusing to meet with the other side. The NHL has to realize they can’t afford to lose this season. As a fan, I’m worried that this league will permanently disappear if another season is lost. No amount of money that the players want now will account for the amount of money the league will lose over the next several years as a result of this mess.

  14. flyeredup - Dec 26, 2012 at 9:45 PM

    Joey now says 15th after he guaranteed 12/31. What a load.

    • id4joey - Dec 26, 2012 at 9:55 PM

      Find the post buddy. Find the post. Lose.

  15. jaredo10 - Dec 26, 2012 at 9:46 PM

    lets see they havent canceled the season yet because they want to make a deal and avoid loosing a whole season but yet they wont meet ..how do the two make sense ? Their just toying with us fans with false hope..hopefully they never get this resolved and all go fuk a goat

    • id4joey - Dec 26, 2012 at 9:58 PM

      Yeah! Because Bettman and Fefr are paid millions to screw with the fans. The owners will make their final proposal just in time to start play jan 15.

      • blomfeld - Dec 26, 2012 at 10:38 PM

        Exactly Joseph ! The thing people are over-looking here is the fact that “if” a Jan 15th “48 game” season was the idea all along, then why in the hell would they need to meet in the meantime? Granted, the “occasional” get together or “attempt” to get together is useful for optics. But apart from that, what purpose does meeting do if they already know the deal? This entire business is now becoming so transparent that it’s almost laughable! And the kicker is I’m even laughing! :)

        My name is Blomfeld and I support laughter …

      • woodstakes - Dec 27, 2012 at 12:39 AM

        What if the owners wait to long?? What if the PA’s Executive Board decides to submit its “Disclaimer of Interest” before the owners make a meaningful move??

      • id4joey - Dec 27, 2012 at 9:12 AM

        Apparently the PA has until Jan 2 to file. We also have the NHL on record suggesting Jan 15 as the dwadline to begin the 48 game mad dash to the playoffs. Now things are getting interesting.

        http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/players-vote-to-give-nhlpa-executive-board-right-to-file-disclaimer-of-interest-122112

    • handsofsweed - Dec 26, 2012 at 10:14 PM

      Do they each get their own goat, or do they have to run a train?

      • jtrain1966 - Dec 27, 2012 at 1:24 AM

        That’s awesome ! I was waiting to read a response like that . If you hadn’t put that comment up, I would’ve put something similar to up . SIMPLY PRICELESS !!!

  16. starsfan11 - Dec 26, 2012 at 10:06 PM

    Eventually Joey will be right. Even the sun shines on a dog’s @ss. Joey still thinks the winter classic will be played.

    • id4joey - Dec 26, 2012 at 10:35 PM

      Get this through your thick skulls. I did not predict that they had a “done deal” nor did I predict the season would start Jan 15. Let me repeat that, I did not predict that they had a “done deal” nor did I predict the season would start Jan 15. That honor goes to none else than Michel Bergeron. Again, that honor goes to Michel Bergeron. Is that clear kids?

    • blomfeld - Dec 26, 2012 at 11:01 PM

      Blomfeld: who is this fool “Starsfan” that speaks words filled with fire and hate ?

      Ten Bears: it is he, the one who closed his ears to the message from Joseph ..

      Crazy Dog: let’s kill him ! … he’s all alone !

      Blomfeld: yes brothers, let us kill him and send him on his way to the great spirit …

      Starsfan – please know friend that I highly respected the old Minnesota North Stars and their fans and so I’m precluded from bringing my main guns to bear on you … nonetheless, I would implore you to tone down your vitriol towards comrade Joey and instead focus on “value-adding” to our conversation here … thank you …

  17. loinstache - Dec 26, 2012 at 10:35 PM

    Not agreeing or disagreeing with Blomfeld or any other ‘theorist;’ if the season starts January 15 is it really any surprise that it took the parties involved until the very last minute? That said, what is the advantage of removing the first half of the season? Legitimate question, I’m curious.

    • id4joey - Dec 26, 2012 at 10:39 PM

      No training camp, no pre-season play, no games during the least profitable months of the regular schedule. Hence reduced expenses and financial loss. Keep in mind that 7 or 8 teams prefer not to have a season because they lose money anyway.

      • loinstache - Dec 26, 2012 at 10:53 PM

        Ugh I hate how much sense that makes. Suggests things are a lot more broken than the surface appears, and that a complete infrastructural overhaul is necessary – beyond daunting considering the efforts to get the game into minimally serviceable shape.

    • blomfeld - Dec 26, 2012 at 10:49 PM

      Loinstache – That’s a valid question friend which obviously none of us could possibly know for certain, given that we’re not privy to the inner financial workings of the league and it’s teams. And yet despite that, I believe that part of the answer to your question lies in that previous article on the Coyotes, detailing how they and many other teams are actually “making” money during this lockout. The one thing I do know for sure is that the vast bulk of “net” contribution earned by this league (EBITA) is realized during the second half of the season … whereas the first half is essentially a “loss leader” for most franchises and the league as a whole.

      • loinstache - Dec 26, 2012 at 10:55 PM

        Good follow-up to Joey’s, it’s really not a far-fetched idea at all.

  18. joeyashwi - Dec 26, 2012 at 10:54 PM

    id4joey – Dec 19, 2012 at 6:58 PM
    “Done deal!” The scoop is out. They met this week and will soon be announcing the details of the season to begin in early Jan.

    This looks like a prediction to me. I’m not being a hater but you’re normally not a flip flopper.

    • blomfeld - Dec 26, 2012 at 11:10 PM

      Joeyashwi – The truth is that none of us can predict “exactly” what’s going to happen here. Maybe they’re all just a bunch of stubborn fools, dancing together “hand in hand” towards the abyss? We simply don’t know? And yet despite that, I remain convinced that these people are playing us for fools and that we will have hockey shortly. Of course I can’t guarantee that, but that’s what I do truly feel …

    • id4joey - Dec 27, 2012 at 8:08 AM

      “The scoop” as opposed to “my scoop” means I was merely informing fans that there was a scoop indicating there was a done deal. The scoop came out on the 12/17 on 18 and further substaniated by the same journalist on 12/21. Furthermore, another PHT poster supported the original scoop was made by an ex coach turned journalist.

      id4joey
      Dec 19, 2012, 9:40 PM EST

      http://ac.rds.ca/manchette/paneliste/7881

      mp1131211
      Dec 19, 2012, 9:56 PM EST

      https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=michel+bergeron&src=typd

  19. joeyashwi - Dec 26, 2012 at 11:29 PM

    I agree Blom. I do believe that Bettman had a preconceived plan for a shortened season, for what reason only he and the owners know.
    That plan was foiled by the players’ reluctance to roll over to the owners’ demands and I believe that the season is in far more trouble than anybody predicted.
    Both sides have fought too hard to just give in now so where does that leave us?

    • blomfeld - Dec 26, 2012 at 11:41 PM

      I don’t know friend? I was originally convinced that this charade would end by Thanksgiving and yet that date came and nothing? But what if the “current deal” on the table is acceptable to Bettman and crew, and they’re just stringing this along for whatever reason, until an absolute “last line in the sand” predetermined date is reached and then say …”alright boys, let’s make a deal”? It’s possible right? … and that’s honestly what I think is playing out here …

  20. dprouse - Dec 27, 2012 at 12:17 AM

    The NHL has now shoved all of their chips into the middle of the table. Either the NHLPA accepts the broad outline of the NHL’s proposal from early December, or they head off to court, with no guarantee of a favourable result and a season of every players’ career flushed down the toilet. As the players determine over the next few days that the NHL is, in fact, dead serious, the internal debate within the union will turn nasty and divisive. The number of players looking for a deal and a season will grow, while the hardliners will dig in even harder. Fun times. I still think we are are heading for a cancelled season and a bonanza of lawsuits, but I live to be proven wrong.

  21. northstars17 - Dec 27, 2012 at 6:55 AM

    quit getting your hopes up people!

    the NHL didn’t cancel the 04-05 season until the MIDDLE OF FEBRUARY!

    they just want to keep fan interest even if its negative. and they want you reading this site like you are right now…when there is not one single hockey game going on nor scheduled!

  22. sadhockeyfan - Dec 27, 2012 at 9:00 AM

    Holy sh!t, Joey! Shut the f&@k up!

    • id4joey - Dec 27, 2012 at 9:21 AM

      sadhumanbeing, guess you haven’t been around long enough to realize nothing people say here bothers me, and I’ll go mano-a-mano with anyone.

      “Done deal!” – Michel Bergeron Dec. 18, 2012

      http://ac.rds.ca/manchette/paneliste/7881

      • blomfeld - Dec 27, 2012 at 12:19 PM

        *** BREAKING NEWS !!! ****

        The 2012-13 season starts with the puck dropping at 1500 hrs EST on Saturday, January 19th … for those in need of a source, simply turn on your television sets and select any “Canadian” based news channel such as TSN or CBC …

        Joey and assorted friends – The above is what they were saying last night on the local news here, without reservation or the least bit of hesitancy. In fact, I’ve been hearing the same thing on both TV and radio for a number of days now (Team 1040, The Fan 590, etc) … and the contrast with the “collective” doubt of a forum like our PHT here couldn’t be starker. Be happy everybody as this crap is going to come to an end shortly ! :)

  23. starsfan11 - Dec 27, 2012 at 12:57 PM

    Calling BS on Blomfeld. Not anywhere on the internet. Checked TSN, ESPN, Sportsnet, Twitter, etc. Zero mention of this.

    • jtrain1966 - Dec 29, 2012 at 1:56 AM

      I guess check bleacher report .

  24. sportsfan69 - Dec 27, 2012 at 1:32 PM

    Hey Blomfeld,

    Gosh, I hope you’re right. I’m off one week from my start date of January 25th prediction. I’ll take it. Yeah, the Beatles were the best band of all time. But my favorite band of all time is U2. The New Years Day, Pride, With or Without You, One, just to name a few. Have you ever been to the RocknRoll Hall of Fame in Cleveland? Awesome place.

  25. whatthepuck2012 - Dec 27, 2012 at 2:03 PM

    TSN says, “NHL lockout hits Day 103 with silence between the two sides.”
    I guess if you try really hard, you can translate that to, “The season starts Jan. 19!”. I’m still working on it.

    • whatthepuck2012 - Dec 27, 2012 at 2:07 PM

      CBC says, “No labour talks currently scheduled between NHL, players.” I guess if you try really hard….

    • dprouse - Dec 27, 2012 at 11:19 PM

      Just use the Google Translate feature, and select “Space Cadet” as your language option.

  26. starsfan11 - Dec 27, 2012 at 2:08 PM

    whatthepuck2012

    Dont forget the puck drops at military time on the 19th. This after Joey or his buddy Bergie said the season would start the 15th per “sources”

    • id4joey - Dec 27, 2012 at 2:27 PM

      How dare Bergeron be off by 96 hours. May he shoot only bogeys next summer, and a piece of my mind he’ll get on behalf of all you kids. LOL!

      • kirkmcleansbaby - Dec 27, 2012 at 2:51 PM

        Still haven’t heard, or read ANYTHING about the season starting on Jan. 19/2013!!!! Where is this supposed info coming from again? A dream Bloomfeld had!?! lol

  27. starsfan11 - Dec 27, 2012 at 3:46 PM

    Joey and his merry band of followers are like the cattle being led to slaughter. Look how the sport you love has treated you and what the players/owners have done to you. Yet you all talk about how you can’t wait for hockey. Why go running back the second deal is announced? Have you thought about staying away for a few games?

    • id4joey - Dec 27, 2012 at 4:21 PM

      starfans11, WTF you talking about? Do you seriously think I take this lockout personally? If you do, then you’re a moron. These is a labor issue, and no one is screwing me over, unlike what Wall Street and the US did when they crashed the financial markets, and cheated people left and right worldwide. Get a life, loser.

      • jtrain1966 - Dec 29, 2012 at 2:12 AM

        id4joey, That was Wall Street, & the U.S. Federal Reserve, & SEC (security exchange commision) ! The U.S. taxpayer had to foot the bill for their F$&@UPS, which is still a bunch of $#!+ ! Oh & by the way, a preemptive you’re welcome for, the U.S. taxpayer saving Canadian Auto Workers jobs as well as U.S. Auto Worker jobs ! Without the American taxpayers money the automobile industry might not exist ! And to end this comment : it wasn’t the American citizens, it was the A$$#OLES in the first line of this comment !

  28. blomfeld - Dec 27, 2012 at 5:59 PM

    Assorted friends …

    I saw the report of the season starting on “January 19th at 1500 hrs EST” last night on TSN at approximately 2330 hrs PST, here on my very own TV. It was that “Panel of Experts” which they always have on. And not only did they confirm this start date, but as well their discussion went beyond to discuss how this season will now unfold and what to expect, etc. Now granted I may have been “partially” tipsy as a result of the bottle of 2004 Cotes du Rhone which I had at dinner, but that’s completely immaterial as I know “exactly” what I saw & heard with my very own two eyes & ears! Look, I’ll level with you guys by telling you that until seeing that show last night, I too was actually fearful to some degree. But now friends, I no longer have an ounce of concern in my body, because it’s “all systems go” baby! :)

  29. blomfeld - Dec 27, 2012 at 6:08 PM

    Sportsfan – That’s great about the Rock’n Roll Hall of Fame! I’ve never been there or to Cleveland for that matter, but I know it must be worth the visit if one can make it eh? My favorite museum visit in recent times was probably the Royal Naval Museum in Portsmouth England. I was there three years ago and I simply couldn’t get enough of the place, including not only the museum itself, but HMS Victory, HMS Warrior, the surrounding dockyards and naval works. At closing time, the security asked me very politely to go but that I was welcome back the following day! :)

    • sportsfan69 - Dec 27, 2012 at 8:55 PM

      Blomfeld,

      I was in London in March of 2008. I didn’t go to the Royal Naval Museum, but I did go to the Imperial War Museum and the Churchill Bunker. Both places were excellent, but the Imperial War Musuem was like being in heaven. If could, I would have taken up residency. The museum has a Jagdpanther on display, along with all kinds of warfare artifacts. Just an unbelievable place.

      Another museum I would highly recommend is the Air Force in Dayton, Ohio and the Science and Industry Museum in Chicago. The Air Force museum has every type of major wartime aircraft display from the all major theaters of Wars, including F-22 and Stealth fighter and bomber. But my favorite aircraft was the beautiful Messerschmitt ME 262, there is nothing like it.

      In the Chicago museum, they have a Stuka dive bomber displayed on the ceiling, along with a captured U-Boat. The best part is you’re allowed to go inside the boat which was an out of this world experience.

      • blomfeld - Dec 28, 2012 at 12:33 AM

        Sportsfan – I’ve been to both the Imperial War Museum and Churchill’s Underground bunker in London and they’re great, especially the former. London is my favorite city in the world and I even lived there for a time in the late seventies (Croydon). Another excellent museum there is the Battle of Britain & RAF museums up in Hendon (north London) which was previously an active base during the war. Well worth the visit if you ever get the chance. But I also love visiting obscure places from the past. One time I took the train all the way out to Hornchurch and spent the day walking around what was once RAF Fighter Command’s main “Spitfire” base there during the Blitz. It had become a nature park, but it there were still reminders from the past like tarmacs and bunkers overgrown with weeds and foliage … I love things like that! Anyway, I know about Chicago’s museum which I hope to get to one day and Dayton sounds interesting too. Three years ago when I was in Tucson AZ I made a visit to the “Bone Yard” at Pima. That was incredible seeing literally thousands of aircraft (B-52’s, Herc’s, A-6 Intruders, A-7 Corsairs, etc) all lined up in semi-retirement there in the desert! And of course the famous ME-262 Volksjaeger or “Peoples Fighter”. Two years ago on a visit to my uncle who lives near Berlin, we went to a museum in a small town called “Rechlin” which was a Luftwaffe test facility during the war and subsequent to that a Russian MIG fighter base. There they had a ME-262 reconstructed from scrap as it had been shot down in combat … so interesting. Anyway, a funny thing we learned there, was how the Russians left the place in 1991 as a toxic waste dump (they did that everywhere in Germany when they left) by poisoning the nearby lake, polluting the surrounding area … even taking the toilet seats from the barracks with them back to Russia! GO-KHL-GO !!! eh ? :)

  30. 950003cups - Dec 27, 2012 at 6:12 PM

    It’s all BS.. They point fingers at each other. But once they strike a deal, they’ll all say how they respect the other side and are glad that they came to agree to this wonderful deal. Then they will all unite against us (the fans) when they tell us how sorry they are about all this and subsequently increase ticket prices to make up for the money they were all fighting over.

    They take the fans for granted. NFL, and the NBA worked out their deals.

    The problem is, unless your in the minority in the USA as a hockey fan, you don’t know that there is a lockout happening. It’s true when they say “NOBODY CARES ABOUT HOCKEY” in the USA. Maybe it’s because hockey doesn’t care about us.

  31. 950003cups - Dec 27, 2012 at 6:21 PM

    The NHL’s increase in attendance reminds me of my neighbors x-girlfriend after she got breast implants.

    Suddenly she thought she was so hot, and didn’t need him. She went clubbing and hooked up with other guys, so he dumped her. Then after she gained 20 pounds she wasn’t so hot and realized what she did. Not only did he not want her any more, but nobody else did either.

    Fans aren’t gonna come back next year if they do this again to us.

    Fool us once, shame on you. Fool us twice, shame on us.

    • id4joey - Dec 27, 2012 at 6:28 PM

      No. No. You have it all wrong. In the words of the G, W. Bush, ex President of the well educated southern part of North America;

      “There’s an old saying in Tennessee—I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee—that says, ‘Fool me once, shame on…shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.'”

      • blomfeld - Dec 28, 2012 at 12:39 AM

        ”Well, I think if you say you’re going to do something and don’t do it, that’s trustworthiness.”

        Presidential candidate George W. Bush, CNN online chat, Aug. 30, 2000

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        Joey – I’m sorry my friend, buy I take exception to your mockery of our man Dubya!

      • jtrain1966 - Dec 29, 2012 at 2:26 AM

        id4joey, If I didn’t know any better, I think you’re trying to make George Bush look like a genius . I say this with sarcasm of course but, you typed that better than he actually said ! Have you been watching old clips of CNN, & Fox News ?

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