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Report: Talks to re-open on Wednesday or Thursday

Dec 23, 2012, 1:00 PM EDT

Gary Bettman; Bill Daly; Bob Betterman AP

Fans, owners, and players alike all got nothing but bad news ahead of Christmas. With games canceled up through January 14 and the NHLPA voting overwhelmingly to disclaim interest if need be, that’s a lot of doomsday talk. Business may be about to pick up, however.

Larry Brooks of the New York Post reports today the two sides are aiming to get back together to talk just after the holiday. In his weekly column he says the two sides are looking at either Wednesday or Thursday to reconvene talks.

Brooks, for all his pro-union leanings, suggests that one thing the players could do to spark negotiations is to give in on the owners’ desire for a 10-year CBA with an out after eight. That seems like a logical bargaining chip to work with, but asking for logic now is like asking for a Porsche for Christmas.

  1. id4joey - Dec 23, 2012 at 1:08 PM

    Hahahaha! The “done deal!” is a coming. Bergie is the man. All you losers will see the integrity of my friend Michel Bergeron.

    • purp1234 - Dec 24, 2012 at 1:54 PM

      Here’s a nice recap of how we got to this point…it doesn’t seem to editorialize much but provides something of a cogent time frame…

  2. whatthepuck2012 - Dec 23, 2012 at 1:15 PM

    A “done deal” can’t be coming…a done deal is already done! Jesus Christ Joey…my first post on this forum was defending you. I want to take this opportunity to apologize to whoever it was I defended you against. Because right now, I concur with their opinion: SHUT UP.

    • id4joey - Dec 23, 2012 at 1:51 PM

      Oh! Chill whotthepuck you think you are. Read between the lines. Yes. The deal is done, and this is the first step of the process to make it official. What’s your problem man?

  3. matt8204 - Dec 23, 2012 at 1:15 PM

    Another waste of everyone’s time. Cancel the season and fold the league. It’s a laughingstock now anyway.

    • joshuakorr - Dec 23, 2012 at 10:14 PM

      NFL has been great this year!!! Now thats a league that has its cards in order and an amazing product. When I turn on the TV there about 10 channels with NFL related programming. The only NHL station on my DirectTV requires a $15 monthly subscription. NHL is the worst to its fans.

  4. starsfan11 - Dec 23, 2012 at 1:20 PM

    Joey is why French Canadians are aholes

    • id4joey - Dec 23, 2012 at 1:54 PM

      id4joey is not French Canadian you moron, but, why are you prejudice? You know. I heard the more prejudice one is the smarter he is. Good for you.

      • zetaone - Dec 23, 2012 at 3:06 PM

        You hear a lot of stupid things. Doesn’t make them true just because you’re gullible or idiotic enough to believe it immediately.

      • id4joey - Dec 23, 2012 at 3:29 PM

        I’m telling you it is a “done deal!” Sources tell me the schedule is being prepared this weekend. Are you prejudice too?

    • valoisvipers - Dec 23, 2012 at 11:51 PM

      Yeah Joey is a real French name now who is the A$$HOLE starsfan11

      • badintent - Dec 24, 2012 at 10:30 PM

        Is Joey a name used for baby kangaroos ? My Aussie friend say so.

  5. joeyashwi - Dec 23, 2012 at 1:21 PM

    A done deal should have been done before the lockout even occurred. The whole thing is completely asinine.

    • id4joey - Dec 23, 2012 at 1:55 PM

      I agree. But it’s not too late man. Give us NHL hockey.

  6. capsrockva - Dec 23, 2012 at 1:26 PM

    to matt8204 you aren’t a hockey fan why do you go on this page. I for one want a deal done soon.

  7. jaybird22seven - Dec 23, 2012 at 1:34 PM

    How much should we bet they will break off talks once again later this week without any deal in place?

    • id4joey - Dec 23, 2012 at 2:00 PM

      jaybird, a reputable ex head coach now journalist for 20 years said last week he had a scoop. He said “done deal”. This means he was talking to someone very close to the league, that a plan was already I’m motion to have a new CBA. This is giving some weight to blomfeld’s theory.

      • zetaone - Dec 23, 2012 at 3:09 PM

        All of this blind belief is based off of ONE account from ONE person. NOBODY else is saying ‘done deal’. Is he in the meeting rooms with everyone involved on both sides? No.

        How many reporters a few weeks ago were spewing ‘DEAL!’ or ‘NO DEAL!’ everytime Bill Daly or Steve Fehr would leave the room and go to the bathroom.

        You take speculation as gospel.

        You are a joke.

      • id4joey - Dec 23, 2012 at 3:31 PM

        Not speculation. “Done deal!” Is a scoop made public by a journalist. NHL hockey is here next month.

      • tatdue - Dec 23, 2012 at 4:19 PM

        It’s funny eh, now you are removing any dates and are just saying next month…lol…at least you’re giving yourself (and all our friends lol) a 50/50 shot. The sad part is Valoisjoeybfeld69, if the season is saved you are going to put up posts saying I told you so like it was you and you alone that made this perfect prediction, while totally forgetting all your other failed predictions gone by, wondering all the while why everybody on this site keeps thumbing you down….But Joey I’d like to say that I really do wish you a Merry Christmas and I honestly hope that New Years brings you a real friend to replace your imaginary ones because nobody deserves to be lonely during the holidays……not even a Douche like you! :)

      • zetaone - Dec 23, 2012 at 4:29 PM

        And all journalists are infallible and are NEVER wrong is what you’re insinuating? Or just this random one who happens to be the only one that agrees with your crazy ass?

        You sure can cherry pick with the best of them joey.

      • id4joey - Dec 23, 2012 at 4:49 PM

        tatdue wants a date from id4joey, eh! . Ok. Jan 15, 2013 the puck will drop. Tatdue is happy now. Id4joey say to tatdue that prediction “done deal! Don’t come from id4joey. It come from my friend Bergie. He said it on TV. Maybe id4joey post, “you see, Bergie was right”.

        I hope all legit and trolls here are getting a few laughs. But, this posting is taking time away for the NFL.



      • tatdue - Dec 23, 2012 at 8:00 PM

        You really do need some serious help there Valoisjoeybfeld69

      • valoisvipers - Dec 23, 2012 at 11:45 PM

        Tatdue You should have stopped at just wishing Joey a Merry Christmas as you will be eating crow and humble pie come Jan 15 but Have a Merry Christmas and enjoy the turkey while you can.

  8. whatthepuck2012 - Dec 23, 2012 at 2:05 PM

    I guess my problem, man, is I’m not a man. That, and a lower than average tolerance for bullsh1t.

    • id4joey - Dec 23, 2012 at 2:31 PM

      Well! Then, I agree with you. You do have a problem. A low tolerance for BS, eh! Does that make you a better person? Like a saint maybe. Get the puck out. Anyway! There will be NHL hockey next month. Instant by my friend Bergie.

  9. cspsrbums - Dec 23, 2012 at 2:33 PM

    And again the owners will take their ball and run just like all of the other meetings.

    And Joey is making more friends I see.
    Just go away

    • id4joey - Dec 23, 2012 at 2:43 PM

      Just go away says the guy who uses children like metaphors to make a point. Lol! You go away because my daddy can beat up your daddy. Done deal! NHL hockey next month. Bergie rules. Now! Just go away cspsrbums. Lol!

      • zetaone - Dec 23, 2012 at 3:15 PM

        For someone who has expressed he is ‘older’ and calls everyone that dissents against him a ‘kid’ or ‘child’, you act more immature than anybody on these PHT.

        I thought General Lee/Alabama was bad, you are just a pure troll, trolling for the sake of trolling. You and your ‘comrads’ (sportsfan, viper, blomfeld) that are all usually in circle jerks with each other in comments on every article

      • valoisjoeybfeld69 - Dec 23, 2012 at 3:40 PM

        Hey! General Lee, Alabama, mudslinger, Joey Dumbfeld, ib4joey, blomfelb, were all proving a sh*t load of nothing significant. Where we band of four actually have insight, know the game, and are having a blast.

      • tatdue - Dec 23, 2012 at 4:23 PM

        We’re all very happy you enjoy playing with yourself Joey….:)

      • id4joey - Dec 23, 2012 at 4:41 PM

        tatdue who?

      • valoisvipers - Dec 24, 2012 at 12:11 AM

        zetaone Yes friend we do not ride alone, we ride as one as the Cavalry of Hope and right now Comrade Joey is leading the charge on two fronts. In one hand held high above head is the Excalibur Sword in the other hand is the pen (actually an I- Phone) riding his mount hard and forward, straight into battle. Beware do not cross his path or you will feel the wrath. Let this be warning to others that troll these great boards here at PHT.

      • blomfeld - Dec 24, 2012 at 2:57 AM

        That’s right Zitzone ! … comrade Valois knows what he’s talking about and you better pay attention ! … best regards, Blomfeld C/C Viper Division “special action”

  10. whatthepuck2012 - Dec 23, 2012 at 2:42 PM

    A better person than you? Clearly. A saint? Hardly.

    • id4joey - Dec 23, 2012 at 3:34 PM

      Ah! You are not a saint, then we are on the same level. Peace out girlfriend.

  11. starsfan11 - Dec 23, 2012 at 3:44 PM

    Where are the mods to ban Joey

    • id4joey - Dec 23, 2012 at 3:59 PM

      Yeah! Says the one who wrote a prejudice comment….don’t throw stones if you live in a glass house.

      starsfan11 | Dec 23, 2012, 1:20 PM EST
      Joey is why French Canadians are aholes

      • blomfeld - Dec 23, 2012 at 4:48 PM

        don’t worry about starsfan11 Joey … it’s been duly noted … :)

  12. ducksk - Dec 23, 2012 at 3:53 PM

    For what it is worth, here’s what I know. Not a done deal. Yes, lots of behind the scenes stuff going on, including draft schedule with heavy division play. (Cool). All on both sides have not agreed to everything, and all must vote to certify. “It ain’t over til it’s over”. (Signed). When and if it finally ends, I will be grateful, and history will tell the story of those legends and men that moved it along because they love the game and the NHL. I do not have champagne chilling, I do have a big drink made of the finest vodka. Peace and hope!

    • id4joey - Dec 23, 2012 at 4:18 PM

      Many of us will be sharing a virtual drink when the deal is signed sealed Nd delivered.

      • valoisvipers - Dec 24, 2012 at 12:14 AM

        I’ll drink to that.

  13. bricktop02 - Dec 23, 2012 at 4:12 PM

    Since when is it being prejudice calling a group of people a$&holes? Go play the race card somewhere else.

    • id4joey - Dec 23, 2012 at 4:23 PM

      When is the last time you opened a the dictionary?

      2 a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge
      b : an instance of such judgment or opinion
      c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics

      • valoisvipers - Dec 24, 2012 at 12:17 AM

        Joey do you believe these morons? Now they thumb down the dictionary.

      • blomfeld - Dec 24, 2012 at 3:06 AM

        yes, it’s gotten beyond ridiculous at this point !

      • id4joey - Dec 24, 2012 at 6:17 AM

        valoisvipers, unbelievable ! Well! This whole mess is coming to an end soon.

  14. broadstbully33 - Dec 23, 2012 at 4:15 PM

    Why do you even give Joey a reply. He has nothing better to do but spend all day replying.

    • id4joey - Dec 23, 2012 at 4:33 PM

      And why do you reply? Mano-a-mano.

  15. vindicatus - Dec 23, 2012 at 4:17 PM

    There are no mods because hockey is dead. They’ve been relocated to PFT.

  16. starsfan11 - Dec 23, 2012 at 4:26 PM

    It is the truth. Quebec are aholes rest of Canada are nice people hence Joey is a snag

    • id4joey - Dec 23, 2012 at 4:39 PM

      Ha! Another racist amongst us. However, many people from Quebec are English Canadian. Perhaps an education would be beneficial.

    • valoisvipers - Dec 24, 2012 at 12:22 AM

      Starsfan11 This English Quebecois thinks you are nothing but a prejudice bigot and an A$$HOLE but have a Merry Christmas.

      • id4joey - Dec 24, 2012 at 3:40 PM

        Right behind you valoisvipers.

  17. necromerlin - Dec 23, 2012 at 4:33 PM

    Looks like joey forgot to log into valos or blom, now’s caught in the act.

    id4joey – Dec 23, 2012 at 1:54 PM
    id4joey is not French Canadian you moron, but, why are you prejudice? You know. I heard the more prejudice one is the smarter he is. Good for you.

    • id4joey - Dec 23, 2012 at 4:35 PM

      Id4joey thinks you are wasting your time with the multiple handles.

    • id4joey - Dec 23, 2012 at 4:35 PM

      Id4joey thinks you are wasting your time with the multiple handles theory.

      • valoisvipers - Dec 24, 2012 at 12:24 AM

        Me thinks you right Joey.

  18. starsfan11 - Dec 23, 2012 at 4:58 PM

    Really Joey? Anyone on here can tell you if there is a season the puck drops Jan 15. Did you really need your imaginary friend Bergie to tell you this?

    • id4joey - Dec 23, 2012 at 6:01 PM

      I am not taking credit for the scoop or the start date of the season. I am hopeful and optimistic that a journalist would not go public with such news unless it was 100%. So, has and old friend of mine would sing, “start spreading the news. I want to be a part of it, hockey hockey” lol hang in there in no time you’ll be thrash talking your rival teams instead of me, and I will fade away slowly into the abyss that some of you call your head.

      Bergie rules! .

      id4joey | Dec 19, 2012, 9:40 PM EST

      mp1131211 | Dec 19, 2012, 9:56 PM EST

  19. ndrick731 - Dec 23, 2012 at 5:14 PM

    Seriously why does anybody care? Any type of season they play now is just a fraud. As would any champion this year be a fraud. As a season ticket holder I hope there is no season at this point.

  20. fortwaynekomets - Dec 23, 2012 at 5:23 PM

    joey is bettmans biggest nuthugger. he is paid to give you all hope…lmao

    • id4joey - Dec 23, 2012 at 6:03 PM

      Haha! You’re so funny, fortwaynekomets. LMAOROTF

  21. sportsfan69 - Dec 23, 2012 at 7:41 PM

    id4joey, Back from the front. Hang in there.

    • id4joey - Dec 23, 2012 at 8:49 PM

      Busy Sunday! Looking forward to getting back to the office. Lol!

  22. buffalo65 - Dec 23, 2012 at 8:04 PM

    Everyone knew they’d start up in January. Not a scoop, obvious. They can’t cancel another year. It was always coming down to the deadline. This was the way it was playing out from day one.

    • id4joey - Dec 23, 2012 at 8:22 PM

      Really buffalo, and when did you make it be known that the season would start up again in Jan?

  23. sportsfan69 - Dec 23, 2012 at 8:23 PM

    Hey Tatdue, just lighten up dude. Go back to your work out routine. Big boy.

  24. id4joey - Dec 23, 2012 at 8:57 PM

    Bergie rides again.


    “From the end of the world, to the start of the season”

    “Done deal!”

    • sportsfan69 - Dec 23, 2012 at 9:10 PM

      Joey, you’re man. Outstanding!

      • id4joey - Dec 24, 2012 at 5:21 PM

        I hope he’s right, and it’s not about what folks here will think. I want NHL hockey back.

  25. sportsfan69 - Dec 23, 2012 at 9:25 PM

    To French my comrades id4joey and acieu.

  26. sportsfan69 - Dec 23, 2012 at 9:32 PM

    Correction: To my French comrades. id4joey and acieu

  27. jimw81 - Dec 23, 2012 at 10:41 PM

    Welcome to the last ditch effort to save a league……

  28. starsfan11 - Dec 23, 2012 at 11:50 PM

    Again Joey, why is it not one single journalist has picked up or reported this cr@p from Bergeron. If this secret dream had a shred of truth it would be out there. You started this by calling anyone who disagrees with you a loser making you total dbag. Tell your friend Bergie to stop making stuff up about secret deals. He is just a washed up has been coach.

    • valoisvipers - Dec 24, 2012 at 12:33 AM

      La Petite Tigre rocks and speaks the truth in any language. starsfan11 cheer up it might be 12 Stars fans fans this year if there is a season. Try the want ads and list Star Fans wanted, no brains required.Oh by the way Brett Hull was in the crease.

      • blomfeld - Dec 24, 2012 at 3:17 AM

        “Brett Hull was in the crease” …

        Valois – that one act my friend, epitomized just how “pathetic and ugly” the game had become by that point … I don’t mind telling you, that “that” was the absolute lowest point of my hockey-viewing career, which had originally started way back in Rosemont in ’67 as an eight year old watching on TV every Saturday night … :)

      • id4joey - Dec 24, 2012 at 6:36 AM

        Sh*t blomfeld, I grew up in Rosemont and played minor hockey there from Pee Wee AA to Midget AA. Comite des Jeunes de Rosemont.

      • id4joey - Dec 24, 2012 at 8:37 AM

        blomfeld, BTW, Bergeron played his junior hockey in Rosemont, and his first head coaching gig was with the Midget AA team of the same organization mentioned in my previous post. That’s when we met for the first time. Man! So many memories….

      • valoisvipers - Dec 24, 2012 at 10:19 AM

        I concur Comrade Blomfeld, the toe in the crease rule was ridiculous. I would also like them to scape the instigator rule and letting penalized teams ice the puck. I would also like them to start calling automatic icing of the puck to help reduce player injuries.

      • blomfeld - Dec 24, 2012 at 11:46 AM

        Joey – That’s really interesting. Rosemont was our last place in Montreal before we came to Vancouver in ’69. We lived on Laurier at 14th I think ? … and I do remember an outdoor skating rink right across the street, where I first learned to skate. I was going to to Drummond School for Grade 4 at the time. Such a long time ago and yet I cherish my memories from then to this day …

      • id4joey - Dec 24, 2012 at 3:43 PM

        blomfeld, that park is next to where I lived before moving to So Cal. Last outdoor rink I skated. Lived on Laurier Ave. and 17th st.

      • id4joey - Dec 24, 2012 at 4:12 PM

        valoisvipers, all icings regardless of man power shall result in.2 minute minor for delay of game. I wrote this here once before that it is best to keep the puck in play. This will force players in the early years to develop better puck handling skills, and coaches will be forced to be more creative when shorthanded. As a coach you would want your best puck handlers on the ice to kill a penalty as opposed to a 3rd or 4th line defensive player with cement hands and no creativity to handle the puck who just shoot the puck up the ice. This eliminates the risk of injuries when chasing the puck, and removes the most boring strategy of the game. Mr referee, acieu, would love to hear your thoughts about the perspective of issuing a 2 min minor for delay of game after an icing.

      • blomfeld - Dec 25, 2012 at 10:01 PM

        Joey – terrific reply to Valois about the need to penalize icing so that youngsters are obliged at a younger age to develop better puck-handling skills, etc …

        as for Rosemont, holy sweet mother Mary! … so we were living only blocks apart back in the day? … is that cool or what? … it sounds like you might have a few years on me, yet it’s feasible that we may have passed one another on the street there all those years ago, completely unaware that one day far off in the future, we would become “electronic” comrades on a thing called the Internet! :)

    • id4joey - Dec 24, 2012 at 6:28 AM

      Because it’s a journalistic scoop which he got from a private source. Anyway! I guess this stuff is beyond your capacity to comprehend. The man has provided us with words to hope by, and in your infinite wisdom you piss on him because he’s an ex coach. Wow!

  29. iamjimmyjack - Dec 24, 2012 at 12:59 AM

    Screw these greedy punks. All of them. Ill never pay for another NHL ticket. The owner should of taken advantage of the recent championship in Los Angeles to expand the market but these guys have half a brain…

  30. acieu - Dec 24, 2012 at 5:24 AM

    Je ne sais pas. But perhaps you Starsfan demonstrate that aholeism is a trait not limited to one group of people.

    • valoisvipers - Dec 24, 2012 at 10:24 AM

      Merci Acieu Vous obtenez une mention d’aide sur ce jeu.

  31. id4joey - Dec 24, 2012 at 6:31 AM

    What a team, valoisvipers, acieu, sportsfan69, blomfeld. I’d dig the puck out of the corner for anyone of you guys. lol

  32. acieu - Dec 24, 2012 at 7:11 AM

    Etole du número un. Joey

  33. comeonnowguys - Dec 24, 2012 at 9:36 AM

    Bah, humbug.

  34. bricktop02 - Dec 24, 2012 at 9:50 AM

    Hey Joey you guys should get a room and have Xmas pickle party.

  35. starsfan11 - Dec 24, 2012 at 10:33 AM

    If Joey had been in Jonestown he probably would have the kool-aid as well. Did your friend Bergie get his magic source from the same place Steve Burton did?

    Joey and his followers are a huge part of the problem. The owners/players treated you like crap in 94-95, 04-05 and now again. Yet, as soon as the CBA is done, you are going to be the first in line to buy tix, merchandise, etc. What does that say about you?

  36. starsfan11 - Dec 24, 2012 at 10:37 AM

    I could give an F if Brett Hull was in the crease. That was 14 years ago. The Stars will always have their name on the cup.

    Look at other teams that have been screwed by bad calls over the years. The 85 Royals lost the World Seies on a cr@p call. Sh!t happens.

  37. pwilson264 - Dec 24, 2012 at 11:08 AM

    way to go boys lets kill the fan base some more enough is enough TALK

  38. acieu - Dec 24, 2012 at 6:19 PM

    Let them ice but keep the man advantage throughout the minor just like the major even if a goal is scored. Shades of the old glory days in Montreal! Jean B had the record for the fastest hat trick for years and it came on the power play during the time the player stayed in the box for minors. tcing gives gives the penalized team the relief it’s needs and fans of the team on the penalty kill like it. The issue does bring up the point of needing to ratchet up scoring however to catch the fans attention. Perhaps we go back to the stricter standard used on hooking and interference when Walkom was in charge. Look to see the USHL originated hybrid icing rule come in next season. The AHL test has been positive. Lastly there is a counter discussion about the need to slow the speed of the build up in the neutral zone by reintroduction of the offside pass. The concern is the speed and violence of the checks and collisions. Interesting times call for more scoring.

    • blomfeld - Dec 25, 2012 at 10:07 PM

      Acieu – what you stay is bang on and yet the adoption of the larger “international” rink surface would go a long way to improving things too … and at least I think it would …

  39. shortsxit34 - Dec 24, 2012 at 6:47 PM

    Why should a penalized team be entitled to relief?
    Let the penalized player out if a goal is scored, but don’t allow icing even when a team is shorthanded. There’s no reason a team should get an advantage for committing a penalty.

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